Trump threatened to eliminate government subsidies and contracts for Musk’s businesses then Musk made a bombshell claim.
The Trump-Musk Relationship Blows Up
The Wall Street Journal reports The Trump-Musk Relationship Ruptures in Real Time That’s a free link and included and interesting video of Trump on the feud.
Long-simmering tensions between President Trump and Elon Musk burst into the open on Thursday, as the two men traded barbs and insults, signaling the rupturing of a relationship that had been one of the most consequential in modern American politics.
Trump, publicly addressing Musk’s latest attacks on his signature tax bill for the first time, said he was disappointed in his former White House adviser and suggested he was suffering from “Trump derangement syndrome.” Musk, who spent hundreds of millions of dollars to help get Trump re-elected, shot back in real time on social media that Trump was ungrateful and wouldn’t be sitting in the Oval Office without his support.
The feud could have serious consequences for both Trump and Musk. Musk on Thursday mused on social media about starting a new political party and encouraged Republicans to side with him in his spat with Trump, as Tesla shares declined. And Trump threatened to eliminate government subsidies and contracts for Musk’s businesses.
For months, Trump and Musk had enjoyed a marriage of convenience, and the White House granted the billionaire a long leash to express his opinions publicly as he worked to cut spending through his Department of Government Efficiency. They publicly praised each other, even as frustrations festered behind the scenes.
In the Oval Office on Thursday, Trump accused Musk of changing his tune on the legislation once he stepped down as a top White House adviser.
“I’m very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings of this bill better than almost anybody sitting here,” Trump said.
The president attributed Musk’s frustrations to provisions in the legislation that repeal tax credits for electric vehicles. Musk’s car company, Tesla, is one of the world’s largest manufacturers of electric vehicles. “He only developed the problem because he knew we had to cut the EV mandate,” Trump said. The president also said that Musk was angry about his decision to withdraw the nomination of a key Musk ally to lead the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
Whatever!
Whatever.
Keep the EV/solar incentive cuts in the bill, even though no oil & gas subsidies are touched (very unfair!!), but ditch the MOUNTAIN of DISGUSTING PORK in the bill.
In the entire history of civilization, there has never been legislation that both big and beautiful. Everyone knows this!
Either you get a big and ugly bill or a slim and beautiful bill.
Slim and beautiful is the way.
Lesson of the Day
Trump has no use for anyone who disagrees with him.
That means the implied deal when Musk took the DOGE position was simple, don’t criticize Trump.
Admittedly, this is not much of a lesson. And Musk is bright enough to have understood this in advance.
But he took the position anyway.
Q: Why?
A: He foolishly thought he could influence Trump
Musk Hoots
Musk is mad over EV cuts but not oil and gas cuts. Musk should have known this was coming. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knew this was coming.
I had bets with two friends on how long the love affair would last. But none of us thought it would.
I can’t tell you who won, because none of us recorded anything. It was more of a general agreement that it would end this way.
The Really Big Bomb
Time to drop the really big bomb:
@realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT!
“Mark this post for the future. The truth will come out.”
First Question of the Day
Q: What does in the Epstein files mean?
A: I don’t know but it could be both true and meaningless
If it’s true, then no grounds for slander.
Second Question of the Day
The answer cannot possibly make Musk look any good.
Predicted Collision Course
Time for a New Political Party?
Tesla TSLA Reaction
Tesla is down $46 to $285 on the news, a decline of 14 percent.
It won’t stop there. Musk has now pissed off the Left by supporting Trump and the Right with these accusations.
Two Enormous Egos
This is what happens when you put two enormous egos in one place, each with more mouth than intelligence.
Musk Calls for Trump to Be Impeached
Have you ever seen two bigger crybabies?
Two Questions
Musk calls for Trump to be impeached
Have you ever seen two bigger crybabies?
Time for a new political party?
Added links for both
Musk Says SpaceX to Decommission Dragon Spacecraft Immediately
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/musk-says-spacex-decommission-dragon-202519405.html
Think of the engineers, workers and their families being shafted. Wealth has its privileges, yes?
This might have serious consequences for Starlink as well. The entire operation may move from Florida and California to SpaceX in south Texas and should Trump get nasty with launch clearances, out of country. At this point, I believe the Russians are the only other option to serve the ISS and a ride share ticket price may have just gone to the moon given US treatment of Russia lately. This is beyond ego’s, it is now well-educated rich fools acting like fools. In Trumps first term, Rex Tillerson, former Sec’y of State and CEO of Exxon Mobil, got cross threaded with Trump and left with the parting comment that Trump was a moron. Insiders know. WRT the Big Beautiful Bill, in my opinion Musk is much more on target than Trump.
Musk should shut down Starlink over Ukraine immediately.
over DC and mar a lago and israel.
I guess Putin’s online troll factories have found this site too.
Anytime a topic here touches on Russia there are suddenly a ton of posts disparaging Ukraine and saying we shouldn’t be involved, mysteriously in broken English.
Ha! Perhaps this is why Trump has been so nice to Putin and handling him with kid gloves? Maybe Trump wanted to cut Musk off at the knees a while back? Maybe he thought Musk was getting too uppity. Perhaps he knew that the US depended on SpaceX to ferry astronauts and he would need to bend a knee to Putin?
trump is a moron. only wants to be in limelight. does not matter if he looks foolish or great. FFS see the man’s entire life. the greatest actor of our generation. but a moron.
How has Trump been nice to Putin? He may say some semi-conciliatory things, but he’s still supporting Ukraine as they’re bombing civilian trains in Russia. I believe Ukraine and MI6 were behind the Crocus City Hall attack last year.
Ukraine is under full scale invasion. And being bombarded ruthlessly. Your seem to confuse whos doing what there. Russian troll perhaps?
“Russian troll perhaps?” No perhaps.
The Ukraine is still being armed and supported by the US, so how, again, is Trump being “nice” to Putin? We’re sending weapons to kill Russians.
You’d better inform ISIS of this – they seem to be under the impression that they did it….
You’re talking of the Crocus attack. Western media reported that ISIS took responsibility, and you believe that. Then Jake Sullivan says it was “ISIS K”. Not just ISIS – super ISIS. The dreaded ISIS-K. The ones we were supposedly going after when Biden (meaning Sullivan) bombed a family outside Kabul to distract from the American pullout from Afghanistan. And after these “ISIS – K” members shot 140 theater goers in Moscow, they fled to their lair in … Ukraine.
Pull your head out, man. Demoness Victoria Nuland promised “nasty surprises” for Russia right before she quit State.
Ummm? Saying that Ukraine started the war?
Regurgitating Russian propaganda by ripping Zelensky and saying he has no cards to play, in the WH?
I’ll grant that Ukraine didn’t start the war. The US did that, stealthily and steadily for decades.
Totally agree, Musk creates and builds value. Trump breaks things without any way to fix them.
Bankruptcy is the Trump solution to his messes.
New parties are unrealistic as the two existing parties follow the extremes of humanity pretty well. How are you gonna have a party that is half against abortion? A party that believes only 30% of government spending is appropriate? No matter what you do, you end up with paler examples of Dems and Repubs. Each existing party has a position on all the relevant politics. My own invention of the “Market Democrat” who believes in democrat politics EXCEPT the losing/failed issues of gun, drug and alcohol control (hat tip to libertarianism) still ends up being 80% democrat. There is no third party.
I’m jealous of European nations that have parliamentary systems of government with many smaller parties. What you end up with is parties that have collections of certain priorities, and when they overlap with other parties, stuff gets accomplished. If people had more options for parties they would not need to slavishly parrot massive two-party platforms. There’s nothing natural about a two party system and people should be allowed to have more nuanced views.
Don’t be jealous of the European situation.
i) Smaller parties are a way to get unelected politicians into Government decision-making. Because when a large party doesn’t have enough votes, it invites the smaller parties in a quid-pro-quo arrangement (“give us enough votes for this and that bill, and we’ll pass that law for you“). So, essentially, smaller parties in Europe operate exactly like lobbyist groups do in the USA.
iii) The multiple small parties you see are also for them to get government funds (in some of those countries political parties are paid officially from the State budget, if the higher Courts approve their founding papers).
All true. Labor only got 27% of the vote in the UK’s last election, but because they eked out narrow wins in enough constituencies, Keir Starmer became Prime Minister. A total dipshit. Plus, you don’t even vote for the person you want to be prime minister. You vote for your own MP – who might be an imbecile – just because you want the person leading that party to become PM.
If parties were funded by the public purse, and outside donations were banned, in theory that could be a way for the corrupting outside influences to be kept out of politics….
That’s the theory. In practice they get bribed and/or influenced just like anyone else, even in countries where donations and external jobs are forbidden.
Multiple parties in Europe end up either as “Reps and Dems but with multiple subsidiaries” or in great instability where withdrawal of one party brings down the entire government.
I don’t know if you’re following the news, but almost the entire EU has been into its worse governmental crisis in the last 8 months, with governments collapsing left and right. All courtesy of the multi-party system.
nope. amerikans are assholes. parliament does not good.
You’re definitely trying to communicate something here, I can see that.
Not as idyllic as it seems. Policy is hashed out during coalition negotiations behind closed doors and in secret, for months. Then the coalition agreement rules until the next election.
This annuls the greatest good of parliamentary democracy, which is public discussion. Party politics (power brokers & monopolists) in general is the opposite of the attempt to decide things on the basis of debate & reason.
Right now there are 2 major spectrums/groups
1) Fiscal
2) Moral/Religious
and 2 opposing views
1) Conservative
2) Liberal
The Republican party attracts both Fiscal AND Moral/Religious Conservatives even if the 2 groups have little to do with each other and often can’t stand each other.
Similarly the Democratic party attracts both Fiscal AND Moral/Religious Liberals even if the 2 groups have little to do with each other and often can’t stand each other.
What we need are 2 more parties:
1) Fiscally conservative and Morally / Religiously Liberal (I’d fit into this category which is what most of us consider the middle)
2) Fiscally liberal and Morally / Religiously Conservative (this is also the middle in the opposite view.
Then the Republicans could specifically cater to Fiscal & Moral / Religious conservatives (far extreme right) and the Democrats could specifically cater to Fiscal and Moral / Religious liberals (far extreme left).
I still see two basic parties with little differences, that still in the end meld into the same old two parties. The Tories are Republicans. Labor is Democrat. There is not one issue that hasnt been platformed by both of them. And the lack of an actual third party even today just proves the point. The Dems and Repubs slug it out to determine who gets to drive the car tonight.
it’s one big uniparty of asshole war mongers in pax dumbfuckistan. the people here are assholes. 98 percent.
They’re all controlled by the Israel lobby.
Neither of the two big parties are opposed to the main problem of deficit spending and balooning massive debt that is destroying the country because they are really the same uniparty. The culture war stuff is baloney to attempt to divide the people by their fears and sentiments, to keep them voting for the status quo. All those social issues they try to polarize people with will pale compared to the effect of the economic decline due to the Republicans and Democrats bipartisan terrible fiscal mismanagement. And there already is a third party, Libertarian, whose stated policy, a balanced budget, cutting debt, no dollar debasement is totally different from the Uniparty. Musk would probably want to do something stupid like make crypto the official currency. If he really wanted change, he should throw his weight behind the Libertarians, but only if they stuck to their word to balance the budget. Musk starting a supposedly different party would probably be just another racket that doesnt fix anything.
Yes, pathetic and childish. I imagine that this is most entertaining for both Putin and Xi.
Yes, many of the MAGA commenters here are bigger crybabies!
maga are twats. no doubt. really dumb too. but alas amerikans are 98 percent assholes. just facts.
Yes, and Biden is a genius and Bill Clinton was not a Chicom sellout.
It doesn’t take a genius, it just takes someone who’s not a narcissistic nut job, hopefully surrounded by smart people and not TV news hosts and charlatans.
Thanks for proving my point about MAGA crybabies, always resort to the past to make an argument. Never seen the future. A common thing trump still does is whine about Biden. Earth To MAGA, biden is done and gone as is Clinton.
Crybaby is one thing… but child rapist is quite another.
he diddled his daughter and has been a known pedophile in NYC for decades. many amerikan men are.
Two bigger crybabies? That’s easy: Bimbo Bill and Hot Lips Hillary and their homies and cronies like Homey and the Deep Throats etc. etc. etc. .
This is all so hilarious. Most people have forgot that Musk threw a temper tantrum and resigned from Trump term 1’s advisory council after Trump withdrew the US from the Paris Climate accords. That was back when being a Democrat was to Elon’s business advantage. Musk has successfully pissed off rich libs who buy his cars and half of MAGA (who weren’t gonna buy his cars anyway). Musk is self-destructing in real time. I suspect the drug use is a significant contributing factor.
Trump’s pathetic egomania is a whole other story.
Two rich ass clowns shouting threats at each other while the world watches in disbelief. PATHETIC!!!
Two words come to my mind while taking in these theatrics….Banana Republic…..
The US have always been but a rich banana republic.
Sometimes you’re better off letting them (big crybabies) fight…
Only they can take each other down a notch or two.
Political alignments need a reset:
everyone should be immediately reassigned to Independent…
forcing any to reapply to 1 of the 2 loser political parties, if so inclined.
BUT solves nothing. amerikans are assholes. 98%. the 2 percent of us who vote libertarian or green know. first principles please.
Donold didn’t understand the importance of rare-earths to the modern world
Everything Musk does depends on them
Xi has the US by the short hairs-he’s found the lever to topple the US
A very good discussion here:
https://kdwalmsley.substack.com/p/desperate-companies-are-smuggling
how do you overcome the obvious mish. democracy works. amerikan people are cunts. go read republic of plato slowly. you seem intelligent enough, but very naive about history of world wide politics. sure. 2 percent of us vote libertarian or green but that means 98percent of amerikans are cunts. war mongering cunts at that. democracy works. the ancient greeks were correct. the founders warned us in our own little short nation history. democracy works. perhaps in another few generations the cunts die off and babies born today are middle aged. but alas you get the drift. go read the short book. learn something about where you live.
The battle goes to Musk in my opinion. Why?
Musk is intellectually far superior to Trump and I’d love to see them debate each other. Trump would babble about how great things are babble about immigrants eating cats, and Musk would be the guy actually making useful things.
Musk built his business and is far more likely to do what is best for humanity, tell the truth and responsibly manage our nation.
Trump is more likely to bankrupt America – as he did his casino.
Trump was involved with Epstein for years. No question about his being morally bankrupt.
Trump alienates and turns on everyone around him, He surrounds himself with sycophants instead of intellectual allies.
Musk has the capacity to run our nation at a profit and be financially accountable.
It is really no contest between the two. Musk wins!
Two of the biggest egos duking it out? MTV did it first with Celebrity Death Match, you know. Highly entertaining for tv brain melting programming. However, we get to see this unfolding IRL. Fascinating and bizarre.
Mish claims to be libertarian yet he was a big pusher of the jab and didn’t think much of those that supported personal freedoms and not taking the jab.
So yeah, people think having a third party being good is fine and I like the idea as well, but there are those that are truly not libertarian calling themselves libertarians. It would just be a group of Democrats or Republicans trying to push their ways in the third party. Take Mish as an example.
There goes the new Democrat meme that the Trump government is a government by oligarchs for oligarchs. Can’t claim that anymore if the head oligarch leaves in a huff. The Democrats have been pushing that meme here in Europe for a month now. They will have to find another. Well played!
It would be more fun to watch this if the stakes for our nation were not so high.
Instead of leadership with substance, we have a narcissist stomping about like a child. And one more sucker that tried to hand out at the trump swimming pool.
At least Musk built his wealth and created huge intellectual and process value with his multiple corporations. Trump on the other hand inherited and grifted his way to the top.
Musk has changed the world for the better while trump is a morally and financially bankrupt TACO.
Trump is an old, incontinent, vindictive prick that is the laughing stock of the world at this point.
My money is on Musk and his insane level of creativity and competence. The other day I said to my wife “Musk wants to be president”. Of course she groaned because of his scattered interests and backing of Trump (who she voted for).
In the end, Musk is far more likely to do what is right, profitable and worthwhile for society as a whole. Trump is likely to cut off our nation from the world and alienate us from our trading partners, friendly nations and NATO. Trump is far more likely to bankrupt our nation and destroy our currency for his own personal gain.
One thing is clear. Musk and every American alive or to be born would be better off without any involvement with Trump.
Who da thunk I’d be taking Musks side in anything two weeks ago?
Fun to laugh at myself once in a while!
And for the record, I think Tesla is over valued and I do not own any directly.
Nothing is happening entertaining the crowd that’s all weak up people.
Oooh, That’s why US officials are watching Israelis committing genocide.
$45T debt bomb soon. Followed soon by economic depression the likes of which hasn’t been seen since the great depression.
It isn’t a 45T debt bomb. It’s way worse than that because how many trillions more are owed by states, by counties, by cities, by school districts. If a few states and cities default then they could put all the debt system into turmoil. Could bonds become no bid? What about yields doubling?
My home (Egypt has 25% yield, 30% inflation and has gone from parity with the USD to 50:1.
Could the US government handle trying to save the troubled states and cities at the same time seeing the federal interest bill being 2T or more?
And which party will fix the problems (neither) so you can’t vote for a solution
2 old drugged out narcissists having a fight in front of cameras. so great. so amerikan. democracy works perfectly.
Why would americans be any worse (or better) than other people? Please stop the hyperbolic nonsense.
Having experience in the Libertarian party, I can tell you it’s a lot harder than people think to establish a 3rd party. The best we can do is get more people like Ron Paul and Thomas Massie in the Republican party.
A friend of mine is chair of county libertarian party and went to its last national convention.
Trump only got booed when trying to defend COVID vaccines and lockdowns.
I wonder why Birdbrain Biden didn’t speak at the convention even though he also was invited like Trump.
Since both the right and left have gone sooooooo far to the extremes of their respective parties, it seems that someone needs to represent the fertile middle ground.
Musk is on to something, but I doubt he could ever get any traction with the 50% that bother to vote for candidates they consider the lesser of evils…
Or could he?
If he does, I’d love to see it. The entertainment value alone would be a riot to watch. Imagine a nationally televised debate where Musk was absolutely thrashing trump. Trump starts babbling about cat eating migrants and how great he is while peeing in his pants. Musk starts in about building the worlds most valuable car company while teasing trump about bankrupting a casino.
My thought is that Musk better be sure the his security detail is up to snuff. Oops, that might be the wrong word… Snuff?
😉
i’m thinking musk can payoff the SS detail to have Trump offed. like the butler PA inside job that was a cunt hair from success.
ETTD
Everything Trump Touches, Dies
Trump was reportedly mentioned 54 times in the Epstein files.
View videos on You Tube…
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/llRIfg4pZz4
I bet trumps investment handlers were short Tesla today!
But are there any photos?
trump diddled his own daughter. known stuff in NYC rich circles. trump of course is a pedo. 100percent. pal of mine know the super powerful and rich. he’s seen the pedo spots in nyc, and clinton and trump both frequented.
The humor is almost vaudevillian.
They’ll be throwing pies next.
That’s funny!
And SNL, which could milk this acrimony and all the other BS that Trump will create is on hiatus for the whole summer! Funny if it wasn’t such a sad commentary on the old business.model.
Part of me is seriously tempted to buy DJT tomorrow or at least some short-dated calls. DJT is pretty beat up right now and if Elon axes Trump’s X account, Truth Social will be the place for MAGA to get their fill of Trump’s ruminations.
this musk Doge that they were looking for fraud and abuse all the dead people on social security blah blah blah BS !!! Musk and his underlings were looking for and taking information on everybody from John Wilkes Booth to Trump and everyone in between Nixon Clinton Ford bush Malcolm MLK everyone
What if it’s just goofy theater to save Tesla?
It’s possible.
if trump let’ss sByd sell in usa that would be great. musk might retreat and buy mexico and launch invasion with putin and Xi in a few years………..
this is wrapping upcould get even more sordid
Ghislaine Maxwell Trial Highlights From the Seventh Day of Ghislaine Maxwell’s Sex-Trafficking TrialUpdated May 24, 2025
Tiberius, Augustus, Trump the list goes on
Elon’s strategy is all or nothing.
Once he got this far, he must press on to have Trump removed. That would be the best outcome for all.
In Elon’s defense, the Big Beautiful Bill can only be euphemistically described as a dumpster fire.
Long Popcorn
“Such ingratitude”: How much money Musk funneled into the 2024 election [almost $295 million!]
Natalie Daher
5 Jun 2025
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/05/musk-trump-feud-2024-election-contributions
2.8m + votes, for time for a new political party, no surprise here, most people just vote against who they do want in office, or never show up. Musk and his companies will be fine, trump not so much.
It’s been said that “nobody ever grows up.”
I don’t care if they’re the World’s Wealthiest and the Leader of the Free World…
at this point, they’re pissing off just about Everybody.
This is Plato’s Cave in real life, public kabuki theater, whatever you want to call it.
They’re both masters of this game, so what you see is what you’re intended to see.
But what’s not being shown more important. The real game is going on out of sight.
Since neither one of these guys is showing his full hand, I wouldn’t bet that I know what cards they’re hiding.
Rather than trying to draw conclusions only from what they want you to see, look harder.
Who benefits from the public shenanigans?
What are they doing while distracting attention?
What do they not want people to be looking at?
What deeper goals are they driving towards?
You’re expecting planning and competence from a troupe of circus midgets. You will be disappointed.
4d chess from the guy who drew a hurricane path with a sharpie to save face? I think not.
Trump is an attention seeker. He’s in his glory. Top news story on every TV station, newspaper and social media site worldwide. Very reminiscent of the ‘Dotard’ spat he had with Kim Jong Un back in 2017.
There was one newspaper that featured him every single day (sometimes twice in the same day) for the last 10 years: the New York Times.
Musk not going to decommission anything, he wants to go to Mars.
This is more like a Leo Durocher spat with a referee. Kicking sand onto the others shoes.
Anything to win a game. Goes for both people involved.
Referee being Trump has final say.
Guys at their level don’t play the game at that level.
Leo Durocher – What a hoot.
I suspect very few have any idea what you are talking about
How about Billy Martin?
John McGraw?
Cornelius McGillicuddy?
Tesla, as Mish pointed out, is down 14 +% points today. At a PE ratio of 156 post today’s trading, Tesla is the exceptionally overvalued canary in the global equity coal mine. The vehicle’s problem with its optics in fog and rain currently prevents safe use as a robotaxi. Others on the string have pointed out a dirth of on-the-left and now on-the-right potential Tesla buyers. Parenthetically, at a 50-100% tariff on the cheapest BYD, #47 could make a tidy sum of tariff money – and China might actually eat some the cost on that item to undermine US competitors and rid some of its bloated inventory.There are 7 trading days until the 17 June transient equity nadir. Smarter folks/institutions exiting stocks are buying the Ten Year Note which is completing a 30 April 2025 6/15(3/6/8)/8 of 15(3/6 of 8/6)day fractal series with transient nadir interest rates on 17 June.
Elon Musk suffers from borderline Asperger’s Syndrome, and his social skills aren’t quite what they should be. Donald Trump is a brash New Yorker, and that GUARANTEES his social skills aren’t up to par, at least where delicacy of tact is concerned.
Bill Clinton, for example, never in a million years would be acting either as Trump or Musk is doing. “Slick Willie” was a social animal par excellence, and his political career was one of gently smiling encouragement while he ate your lunch. Even Joe Biden would have been more tactful.
On the Republican side, Ronald Reagan had people skills. Growing mature in the vat of Hollywood politics, the Teflon Raygun had people eating from the palm of his hand. Trump is not a true politician in the conventional sense, and Musk certainly isn’t. Their collision was a predestined affair.
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Lots of decent people from New York… that’s not Trump’s excuse. His personality is disordered and he’s not very bright.
He suffers from being a rich twat that fried his brain with ketamine.
Musk or Trump?
They were meant for each other.
It’s a classic case of MAGA on MAGA hate, that’s all MAGA knows. Did anyone really believe it would be different? During Trump’s first term it was a revolving door of people coming and going, same episode different season.
As I said in another thread, Musk will take over the republican party eventually. No one else comes close to floating his level of cash and combined with other tech bros, crypto-kings, and AI, the republican party will become the Techpublican™ party.
Almost everyone can be bought and Musk has the money to do it.
Besides being pro H1B visa and gay marriage, Musk is not pro abortion and open border like its a religion among those who think Birdbrain Joe (Biden) and his autopen could do not wrong.
Plus Musk is very conservative as far as fiscal policy. I would not doubt Musk is against Biden’s handouts for Medicaid (for working age and able bodied recipients) and student loan forgiveness (which was about $175 billion under Birdbrain Joe).
Everyone who gets in trumps orbit loses / gets crushed/ destroyed/ broken. Or however you want to describe it. Unfortunately since he is the president of the united states we all are in his gravity to some degree or another.
The sad thing is that when the king of England started fighting with the king of France who was fighting with the emperor of Spain who was fighting with the czar of Russia who was fighting with the Austro-Hungarian empire, some common folk had the option to jump in ships and sail away to the New World, away from this monarchical and dictatorial nonsense. With the exception of all the new homes and factories built on the moon and Mars today, there is no longer anywhere for us to flee to.
Unfortunately, my family was a bit late in fleeing.
There are plenty of places to flee toward, just because you’re self-defeated doesn’t mean others are, I am counting down the days!
Worlds pretty small these days. Not many places to go that everyone else won’t be far behind and they’ll bring all these problems with them.
Name one.
North Sentinel Island.
Oreshnik, the cure for rabid dogs.
Send one to Lindsay Graham’s bathhouse.
Someone with more mouth than intelligence lost more net worth today than any of us will compile in a lifetime.
[Shrug]
How do you know he wasn’t quietly short, looking to reset the price lower and buy back in for ever greater wealth?
Popcorn futures are up.
Trump’s second term is shaping up to be as chaotic as the first one.
What a tragedy.
I think it is on track to be much worse.
Perhaps his third term will be better.
A wise man once said “Ya can’t fix stupid.”
They had a falling out during Trump 1.0 as well so not totally surprised that the bromance is over.
Of course Trump is in the Epstein files. It would be amazing if he wasn’t. There’s more pictures of the two of them together than any other pol, and they are obviously buddies in every clip and photo I’ve seen. Trump is married to a mail order bride, a court found him legally liable for sexual assault, and he has openly bragged about sexually assaulting women. How deep in denial do you have to be to be like, “well I don’t know about the veracity of these claims?” LOL open your eyes.
You forgot about banging a porn star while Melania was still recovering from the birth of their child. A real standup guy.
I DID forget! I guess that’s what they call “flooding the zone with s#!t”.
He said he never banged a porn star. I think that means he banged multiple porn stars.
the worst thing about this is how much power these 2 idiots have, and they’re behaving like adolescents having a twitter war in front of the whole world.
if you’re President Xi, are you impressed by this display?
If you are Xi, you are heartened to witness the incompetence of your competitors.
No, you don’t get to that level of power if you “actually” have adolescent behavior.
This is theater.
The feud between Trump and Musk is about as real as the feud between Hulk Hogan and ‘The Undertaker’.
disagree – This was real – much of it petty between two petty egomaniacs
My only question is who is going to buy all the Tesla’s. Is Tesla a short or will the left come back home now that Elon is out of government and anti-Trump. I’ll go with short Tesla. Imaging having that kind of F You money to allow Tesla to rot just to get back at The President.
Tesla is up against two significant factors – cheaper producers such as China and an impoverished American generation. Good luck!
I live in the heart of Tesla land. I must see 40-50/day and I don’t travel very far these days! I see more Tesla’s than I see GM cars hearabouts.
Musk will just keep lowering the price until he finds the level that will give him the sales to move his inventory. When you are worth $400 billion AND own the company, you have a lot of flexibility and leeway.
Well, 400 billion can go pretty fast as he has found with the US government.
Problem is he doesn’t have 400 billion in cash in a Scrooge McDuck money bin. A huge amount of that is tied in Tesla stock. If the stock craters he will be broke and won’t be able to keep selling and moving inventory at lower prices.
Something I found interesting during a recent trip to Las Vegas. Saw three Tesla sedans on the interstate with windows down in 86 plus degree temps. Were the drivers just trying to extend their travel distance/battery charge or was the AC inop on these late model cars?
Teslas were the only cars with windows open.
Ignore Elon Musk. Pay Attention to Russell Vought.By
Branko Marcetic
Elon Musk has been shown the door in the Trump White House. His erratic behavior and cringe antics made him an easy target for the media. But Musk was always carrying out Project 2025 author Russell Vought’s agenda — and Vought is still very much in power.
Don’t even know what he looks like.
Just look at him Elon, Trump can neither figure out slim nor beautiful
I do prefer slim and beautiful, too. 😂
In budget bills and women.
Funny, Musk didn’t say a word about Trump being in the Epstein files until now. I guess he was ok with it until his precious subsidies were on the chopping block in the Big Beautiful monstrosity.
Put two narcissists in close proximity to each other and it won’t be long before the sparks fly. I’m actually surprised it lasted as long as it did.
What a clown show this country has become.
correct
I’ve been willing to overlook alot in the hopes that Trump could make some progress on a number of issues but Trump, who i voted for, is really grinding my gears with his willingness to throw people under the bus when they displease him by not agreeing with him completely.
A product of privilege? Bonespur birthday parade is being arranged with the military.
Of course Trump is in the Epstein files. I’d be completely surprised if he’s not.
So are tons of other really influential people.
But, I seriously doubt the actual list will ever make its way into the public eye.
Move along. Just another example of two billionaire babies dissing each other.
But, and it’s a really big freaking but, Trump’s the president, not Musk.
Musk has already shot Tesla in the foot with a sawed-off shotgun. Without SpaceX, Musk would be toast.
Pam Bondi already released the incriminating Epstein list a few months ago. She chose to print everything in white ink on a white background. Freedom of information law doesn’t specify what colors the records need to be printed in.
OMG! That’s so witty.
Two reasons the list never sees light of day:
1) Powerful people protecting each other and/or themselves
2) It’s forever bait for gullible conspiracist nutjobbers
I could care less about the Epstein files. Like lots of other things, it’s just a distraction.
America has a massive spending problem. It was tragic that 1.2M people including my mom died of COVID. But the long-term tragedy is the massive increase in Congressional spending as well as Fed QE that it brought about.
Trump’s BBB MAY make the revenue side worse. With a little luck, the Senate will force him to abandon one tax cut. Overtime would be my choice. And, I wouldn’t end taxes on all tips. I’d do something more modest like spit balling & make the first $3,600 not subject to taxes.
So in summary, Epstein who? Musk is absolutely right about our spending problem, but Trump isn’t the guy who’s going to push for a real plan to tackle the $2T+ deficits we’re facing.
Be that as it may, we’re WAY BETTER OFF with Trump compared to Comrade Kamala. We collectively dodged a bullet just like Trump did in PA.
Trump might be a lot of things but I’d bet big money he’s not a pedo. By ALL accounts, he was one of the few that cut Epstein off immediately when stuff started coming out. Musk, on the other hand, has a LONG history of false claims and slander/libel. I can see Trump suing him for HUGE money over this and Musk backpedaling.
OH – look at that. Twenty downvotes and today Musk deleted his tweet and backpedaled. Just like a said. You morons.
The tweet said it was meant for parody account. Who knows. I would say Trump is on it. Cmon he is a Lord of Entertainment, still working, now as President, go figure
Everyone knows that Trump is a complete and total sleazebag. What could possibly be in the Epistein files that would impact Trump any further?
Trump is surely but steadily pissing off every ally he has and turning them away from himself.
Who trusts either of these fools?
Not me, but I do want any president to be successful. So I am rooting for Trump here.
Musk will be fine. Tesla maybe not so much.