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New Details Show the Trump-Iran Deal is “Extraordinarily Generous” to Iran

A US official used the term “Extraordinarily Generous”. Full text of MOU below.

Deal Allows Tehran to Immediately Sell Oil

The Wall Street Journal reports The Trump-Iran Deal Allows Tehran to Immediately Sell Oil

The U.S. will allow Iran to immediately begin selling oil and fuel under the deal to end the war, offering Tehran an early financial incentive to wind down the conflict, people familiar with the agreement said.

The provision for waivers of sanctions on oil sales takes effect immediately upon signing the agreement this week and also covers necessary services including banking, transportation and insurance needed to facilitate the sales, the people said.

United Against Nuclear Iran, a nonprofit, said an Iranian supertanker carrying crude oil, Diona, had left Chabahar port, crossed the U.S. blockade and was sailing out of the Gulf of Oman on Tuesday with its location tracker active. It was the first such transit since the start of the U.S. blockade in April. Shortly afterward, a second supertanker, Hero II, also crossed the blockade, according to the nonprofit and ship-tracking data from MarineTraffic.

Allowing Iran to export its oil concedes a key point of U.S. leverage, but one the White House felt it probably had to give up to open the Strait of Hormuz, said Farzin Nadimi, an Iran-focused senior fellow with the Washington Institute, a U.S.-based think tank. 

“The White House thinks that these kinds of sweeteners are required to make Iran make concessions, and otherwise it would be very difficult to make Iran continue negotiations,” Nadimi said. 

Among its provisions is a regional reconstruction and development fund for Iran to repair damage done by the war. In a briefing Monday, senior Trump administration officials said the U.S. and Iran have discussed a fund of $300 billion for that purpose. They also said they have discussed sanctions relief and restoring Tehran’s access to some of its estimated $100 billion in frozen funds.

“We’re going to be willing to be extraordinarily generous in opening up their economy and opening up the sanctions relief,” one of the officials said. “So I would say everything is on the table and at the same time nothing is on the table if it doesn’t come along with real performance.”

The question of financial benefits for Iran is among the most sensitive for Trump’s effort to conclude the war. Trump has excoriated former President Barack Obama for flying cash into Iran after a 2015 nuclear deal went into effect the following January. Trump withdrew from that deal in his first term.

Under the memorandum of understanding, the U.S. is also willing to give Iran access to some of its frozen funds for payments determined by Iran’s central bank, some of the people said.

Deal Check List

  • Iran can immediately sell oil
  • At least two Iranian ships already traversed the strait with location signals on
  • Banking restrictions are off immediately
  • $300 billion in restoration funds under discussion
  • Release of frozen funds under discussion

What Does the US Get?

  • 60 day discussion about nuclear stockpiles
  • Statement already made long ago that Iran would not build weapons

Things Unclear

  • Whether Iran can charge tolls (renamed to maintenance and safety fees)
  • Iran wants $12 billion up front and $24 billion frozen assets released during the 60-day negotiation. Iran has an estimated $100 billion in assets rendered inaccessible by U.S. sanctions, mainly revenue from past oil sales and reserves. 

Alleged MOU Details

  • Iran and the US, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other
  • Iran and the US undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs
  • Iran and the US undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent
  • Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States will lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on Iran’s part
  • The US also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Arabian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran
  • The US undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of Iran, while ensuring financing of at least $300 billion
  • The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days
  • The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral US sanctions, both primary and secondary Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons
  • Iran and the US have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement
  • Iran and the US agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the US will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region
  • The US undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the US Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like
  • The US undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of Iran will be released and made fully available
  • These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of Iran and will be fully available for use. The US undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis Iran and the US agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement
  • Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, Iran and the US will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles
  • The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council

Another Take on the Details

Key Clauses of the MOU Between the US and Iran

  • Iran agrees not to develop or acquire nuclear weapons
  • US and Iran agree to halt hostilities across the region, including in Lebanon
  • Iran to guarantee free and safe commercial shipping through the strait of hormuz for 60 days
  • US to release frozen Iranian assets once the agreement takes effect
  • US to grant temporary sanctions waivers allowing Iran to export oil during negotiations
  • Iran to maintain its current nuclear program while talks continue
  • both sides to address Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile in future negotiations
  • US to avoid new sanctions and major military buildups in the region during talks
  • 60 days of negotiations planned to reach a final agreement
  • Oman and gulf states to participate in talks on maritime security and shipping arrangements
  • final deal could see the US withdraw its forces within 30 days
  • final deal could result in the lifting of all US sanctions on Iran
  • proposed final agreement includes a $300 billion reconstruction fund for Iran
  • potential deal would represent one of the most significant US–Iran diplomatic breakthroughs in decades

Trump Is Losing the Hawks Who Once Defended the Iran War

The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Is Losing the Hawks Who Once Defended the Iran War

Many of the hawkish conservatives who rushed to President Trump’s defense at the beginning of the war with Iran now fear he is at risk of losing at the negotiating table, emboldening Tehran and setting back joint U.S.-Israeli interests in the process.

Early details, such as reports that a preliminary peace deal eventually could unlock billions of dollars in frozen Iranian funds, have turned once loyal allies into critics.

Two influential voices who have privately advised Trump throughout the war—retired Army Gen. Jack Keane, a Fox News contributor, and Marc Thiessen, a onetime chief speechwriter for former President George W. Bush—have raised pointed concerns about the deal.

“I can’t square some of the things that are coming out of the administration from reliable sources. That’s what I find so disturbing,” Keane told Fox News on Monday night. Thiessen called early reports about the agreement “utterly disastrous.” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), another hawkish adviser to Trump, has said he is eager to see the text of the deal.

Senior Trump administration officials said the U.S. and Iran have discussed sanctions relief, restoring Tehran’s access to some of its estimated $100 billion in frozen funds and a $300 billion fund to facilitate reconstruction and repair of war damage. Officials have said Iran won’t receive taxpayer money.

Trump’s allies on Capitol Hill have stopped short of openly criticizing the deal, but have said they need more information. Under federal law, Congress has the power to review any Iran nuclear deal and potentially vote on it. 

“I want to see it myself,” Graham said of the preliminary agreement. “The way Iran describes it is awful.

When Mark Levin, a Trump ally, called on the administration to release the text of the deal, former Trump campaign aide Alex Bruesewitz chastised the Fox News host on social media, accusing him of panicking unnecessarily. Levin, whom Trump previously praised for his analysis of the Iran war, replied that Bruesewitz was “a fool.”

“If the president signed a bad deal, many of us who cheered and stood by him and thought that his action in Iran was heroic, will be extraordinarily disappointed,” Ben Shapiro, the popular conservative commentator, said in an interview. “It is not enough to win the first half of the basketball game.” he said, “You have to close it out.”

Trump Praises Current Iranian Leadership

Sarcasm of the Day

Don’t Worry No Tolls

Bomb First

An Amazing Prophesy

No Way to Spin this as a Win

The strait was open and free to travel before the war. It will be open but may not be free travel after now,

Iran had already committed that it would not build a bomb. Trump will have achieved nothing, even if the 60 day talks go well.

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Pedro
Pedro
19 minutes ago

Maybe this will convince the MAGA Morons that Trump is a a fucking idiot and the worst thing to ever happen to the USA?

dare to dream…

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
18 minutes ago
Reply to  Pedro

“You can’t fix stupid”

Sorry.

cambeiu
cambeiu
24 minutes ago

“US officials downplay text of the Iran agreement, saying it doesn’t account for back-channel commitments” – CNN

LOL, you can’t make this shit up. This deal is a turd sandwich and the administration is putting ketchup on it to try to make it palatable to their base. Beautiful to see Trump and his voters taking in ass after tearing up the JCPOA and wiping their butts with it.

“I did not vote for this”

Yes moron, you did. And you did because you are a moron.

Last edited 22 minutes ago by cambeiu
I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
24 minutes ago

It looks like China didn’t lose any oil through this process. The claim seem to be that there was demand destruction via their electrification work that they put in order. I would think it’s a game changer if true:
https://xcancel.com/NuryVittachi/status/2066729183292821714
The data is based on shipments from Kepler, which seem to be pretty reliable

Bill
Bill
24 minutes ago

Forget Greenland, my household can be similarly attacked for far less than 300 billion in reconstruction costs.

Could he propose/accept a worse deal?

Anyone thinking Israel, not a signatory in the deal, will submit to the terms is ignoring history. I assume the rotten deal goes thru nonetheless.

Funniest line above… the fee for the service of not having your ship hit by a drone.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
46 minutes ago

Trump may be making a classic error in seeking peace with IranAssuming the Iranian regime will comply with a peace deal has historically been a mistake

PapaDave
PapaDave
28 minutes ago

Who can be trusted? This will be Trump’s third peace negotiation with Iran. In the two previous negotiations, the US bombed Iran while negotiating.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
48 minutes ago

quoted: We pointed out earlier that the US has pretty much no ability to demine (the US has only littoral ships which are ill-suited to that role) and relies on Japan for that sort of capability. My impression is that it would take a couple of weeks for ships to arrive from East Asia. Will the US rely on Iran’s say so as to the caliber of any demining? Would insurer rely on that?

I made the same mistake thinking that the Avenger class was retired in total and replaced by the Freedom/Independent class (the LCS) with minesweeping module installed. A friend showed me that the 7th fleet (Japan) still has four in service. Meaning that the US still has dedicated, as opposed to bolt on, minesweeping capability. It is, as written in the quote, not in the correct location and would take weeks to get to the strait.

MMchenry
MMchenry
53 minutes ago

Like your comment, Greenland is now asking us to invade to get Trump to give them a similar deal!
Owing to the Military Industrial Complex NEVER being satisfied the $1 Triilion (in current $’s) paid for 20 YRS OF WAR IN VIETNAM, NOW IT GETS US ABOUT 4 MONTHS. A FACTOR OF 60 Xs MORE COST. Christ, they ripped my jewels off!

“The U.S. spent an estimated $168 billion on the Vietnam War directly between 1955 and 1975. When adjusted for inflation to present-day currency, this amounts to well over $1 trillion.”

Iran costs: The > $500 Billion in ADDITONAL MILITARY APPROPRIATIONS TRUMP 7 GOP OUT THROUGH JUST RECENTLY.
+ $300 BILLION NO DOUBT LIE’N KING TRUMP WILL HAVE US BACKSTOP GCC.
(Note: How just today WP revealed Trump had promised Contractors $300 BILLION IN TAXPAYER FUNDS! ON SOMETHING THAT WAS TO BE $400 BILLION AND NO TAXAPYER COST!)
and like >$200 BILLION TO REBUILD WEAPONS INVENTORIES
————————————————————————————
SPENDING THE SAME CURRENT DOLLARS FOR A DEAL THAT GETS US LESS!

I long for the days when it would at least have paid for 20 years of conflict! Not that I want conflict… But Vietnam was less of a bust for the US than this Iran Fiasco is!!

Not to mention, how tey whined when Obama gave them a whopping $1.7 Billion – NOT SHI* COMPARED TO THIS!

Iran still has most of it’s ballistic missles. Has enriched uranium. May be taking Hormuz tolls (TBD). Will now effectively have the last word on the Strait from now on.

And we have f’d relationships and zip credibility all from this arrogant retard.

We’ve all been reamed so bad we won’t be able to sit until Fall!

Oleg Grozny
Oleg Grozny
51 minutes ago
Reply to  MMchenry

The money Obama “gave” Iran was their own money.

Oleg Grozny
Oleg Grozny
54 minutes ago

This discussion compares the aftermath of the Korean War and it’s strategic consequence for China to the aftermath of Trump/Netanyahu’s war and possible strategic consequence for Iran, from a Chinese perspective. I found it very interesting.

https://huabinoliver.substack.com/p/lessons-for-iran-from-the-korean

Peace
Peace
1 hour ago

Some of the programs that will see cuts under president’s budget request

Community Services Block Grants:
Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children
Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP):
HOME Investment Partnerships Program:
Section 8 housing: 
National Institutes of Health (NIH):
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
Federal K-12 funding:
Higher education programs: 
Preschool development grants
Workforce development programs: 
Wage and Hour Division:
Small Business Administration (SBA):

Cost cutting for war and reparation in Iran.
Sorry, no money for you poor.
There is some money to be kept for tax relief for rich and powerful.
Oh, oh you poor people can expect you can be rich as rich and powerful are richer and after their investment. You know “trickle down economy”.

Last edited 58 minutes ago by Peace
JeffD
JeffD
1 hour ago

Trump had drained the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to “tank bottom”, where any more draining would have caused severe geological consequences. He was in a corner, and was forced to take *anything*. I’m still wondering if he’s figured out yet how badly Netanyahu played him.

Last edited 1 hour ago by JeffD
PapaDave
PapaDave
59 minutes ago
Reply to  JeffD

I don’t think it’s at bottom yet. Down 8.9 mb this week to 340 mb. Supposedly problems begin below 300 mb, though some say 250 mb, or even 200 mb. There is still another 97 mb to go from the 172 mb we are supposed to draw down. So we might have a chance to find out.

Flavia
Flavia
1 hour ago

A truly amazing document.
Removal of sanctions! Iran has been sanctioned for most of my adult life.

PapaDave
PapaDave
57 minutes ago
Reply to  Flavia

Temporary removal of many, but not all, sanctions. They removed any sanctions related to oil being shipped and the ability to collect payments for that oil.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
1 hour ago

AKA starting a war on behalf of a terrorist nation and then getting soundly defeated.

Sentient
Sentient
1 hour ago

If Trump weren’t such an A hole, he’d let the Iranian soccer team stay overnight in the US. Instead they only get a daily visa. They’re lodging in Mexico. They have to fly into the US for games and then leave immediately after the game. What a bunch of petty bullshit – on display for the world to see.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 hour ago
Reply to  Sentient

Dude! They could have bombs in their soccer balls. They could eat the pets!

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 hours ago

I guess on the 19th we’ll officially find out if Obama was a better negotiator and president. I guess that’s why he got the Nobel Peace Prize and Trump has gotten the worst deal of the millennium.

The fact that every prominent Israel mouth piece is up in arms over the deal is good indication Iran won as well.

And now you know why this tagline becomes truer and more prophetic as time goes on….

Do worry, Trump & Walrus will find a way to make things even worse.™

Peace
Peace
1 hour ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Trump is also a Nobel Peace Prize winner offered by María Corina Machado.

He deserved it.
He ended the Iran war. He saved the global economy.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Peace
CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
1 hour ago
Reply to  Peace

He ended the war he started? That’s rich.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
1 hour ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Let’s be fair. Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize for showing up, and not being Dubya. In fact, he had been president for about a month, and hadn’t even started on the JCPOA.

And I haven’t gotten started on Obama’s wars of aggression. No, that hardly makes me a Trump fan.

Quatloo
Quatloo
2 hours ago

Iran has 60 days to negotiate a nuclear deal?

But everyone said they are only TWO WEEKS away from developing a nuclear bomb?!

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
1 hour ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Israel has been saying that Persia is about two weeks away from developing a nuclear bomb for about ten years to my knowledge, so I think we can discount that.

Peering through all the disinformation, what I think I see is that Persia was on the brink of developing the same sorts of fast, new missiles that Russia, China, and the West have been developing, and that was something the Israelis couldn’t live with.

Mish keeps saying that Persia had undertaken not to develop an atomic bomb, but as I understand it, the only reason for enriching uranium (perhaps beyond a low value needed in atomic power stations) is to put it into a bomb. So it doesn’t matter what the Persians were promising: they were trying to build a bomb.

Israelis may not be nice, truthful people, but Muslims aren’t either. If we pretend that we are living in a world where non-Western people tell the truth, we shall just get overrun and exterminated.

As a sidelight, we don’t always tell the truth either. I am getting sick of hearing about how we are doing the Persians a favor by “releasing their frozen funds.” Those funds were American fiat money owed to the Persians. Disregarding the fact that fiat money is a fraud in itself, those funds were simply stolen by the American banks from the Persian owners. Using other words doesn’t change that.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
39 minutes ago
Reply to  Quatloo

June 16, 2026
During a presser with the media at the G7 summit in Evian-les-Bains, France, Trump claimed that after bombing an Iranian mountain, it may not be worth finding the leftover enriched uranium “because it’s not really valuable.”
Enriched uranium is the main ingredient to produce a nuclear weapon, and there is no such thing as worthless enriched uranium.
Trump attacked Iran over enriched uranium, for gods sake.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 hours ago

This MOU is merely an agreement to agree, and even the agreement to agree apparently has not been signed yet.

Much as Trump deserves humiliation and worse, let’s wait before taking a victory lap, what say?

cambeiu
cambeiu
1 hour ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

The fact that Trump is celebrating “an agreement to agree that has not even been signed yet” is plenty of evidence of Iran’s strategic victory.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
1 hour ago
Reply to  cambeiu

Or Trump is hoping to keep a lid on commodity prices before taking another swing.

cambeiu
cambeiu
1 hour ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

The fact that even Israel is losing its shit over the MOU shows that this is certainly not the case. There is no 5D chess. Trump lost.

CJW
CJW
2 hours ago

I wonder if Trump has negotiated a fee from Iran for agreeing to this deal.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
2 hours ago

LOL how much did Obama free up for Iran for a better deal? $1.7 Billion? LOL

Iranians should be dancing in the streets at this point.

Warhawk Republican senators are complaining they don’t have a say… these shitstains abdicated their constitutional authority so they can eat it. They own this crap.

Last edited 2 hours ago by Phil in CT
Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 hours ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

Moral consistency never had anything to do with it. This is a question of power.

Nothing more.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 hours ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

You get a Mishelin star for best comment of thread so far.

David Heartland
David Heartland
1 hour ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

What’s a “Shitstain?” Never seen one.

BigBob
BigBob
3 hours ago

The war was a tremendous success for the Chief Pedophile of the United States. Epstein? Epstein who?

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
1 hour ago
Reply to  BigBob

That is the one and only sense in which this war has been a success. Oh, if you were somebody who wanted to steal more land form Gaza and Lebanon, those would probably fall into the success column for you as well.

Ginko Biloba
Ginko Biloba
3 hours ago

Art of the deal baby! You people don’t understand 59-D Chess; I feel sorry for you.

sNarayana
sNarayana
2 hours ago
Reply to  Ginko Biloba

New & improved version is: The Art of the Steal

MMchenry
MMchenry
3 hours ago

Cluster F’d Rus!
He better not have given that kind of money. OMG, I’m furious if so.

If so, b/tn war costs and treaty costs this is a $1 A TRILLION MISTAKE!

CLAWBACK EVERY GRIFTED PENNY FROM THAT FELONY LIAR.

Last edited 3 hours ago by MMchenry
Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 hours ago
Reply to  MMchenry

Maybe the orange shitgibbon shouldn’t have attacked Iran.

Tom
Tom
3 hours ago

This isn’t going to last. Israel doesn’t agree to this and will continue invading Lebanon. I ran will have no choice but to retaliate against Israel.

How does two weeks sound?

TheBird
TheBird
3 hours ago
Reply to  Tom

IDK…if all those numbers turn out right… and there is a chunk up front, Iran might cut Pezzbolah loose.

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
2 hours ago
Reply to  TheBird

Maybe, but my understanding is that Iran has a 400 year relationship with the Shia of Lebanon. So maybe not. Otherwise, Hezbollah might be pried away from the Shia support – but that’s unlikely.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 hours ago
Reply to  TheBird

$300 billion buys a ton of drones that can be shipped to Hez… imagine them raining all down on a nearby neighbor. Just imagine.

Sentient
Sentient
2 hours ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Remember the Liberty.

Last edited 2 hours ago by Sentient
Mick
Mick
3 hours ago
Reply to  Tom

How does it sound? Like that scene in Total Recall. “Two weeks!” (then head goes out of control and explodes)

Webej
Webej
2 hours ago
Reply to  Tom

Nope.
Israel is a subsidiary US project.
Israel can’t sustain itself for more than a few minutes without US support.
Israel can’t mount any military action without continuous US hands-on agency offering US ISR & strategic assets as services to Israel.
You have fallen for the “plausible deniability” kabuki PR about how a US proxy can go rogue, when it is just executing the master’s rogue commands.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 hours ago
Reply to  Webej

Jeffrey Epstein has entered the chat.

Sledge
Sledge
2 hours ago
Reply to  Tom

I was giving this house of cards a week tops myself

threeblindmice
threeblindmice
2 hours ago
Reply to  Tom

Sounds right.

cambeiu
cambeiu
3 hours ago

As I had said several times, this is indeed “America’s Suez Canal Moment”, a truly historical turning point for the world. We are witnessing the sun setting of America’s global military power and influence, and that s a good thing for Americans.

Sledge
Sledge
2 hours ago
Reply to  cambeiu

well said because it’s true

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
2 hours ago
Reply to  cambeiu

Eh, maybe maybe not… the problem was strategy (and complete lack thereof)… the US military is a mighty weapon, but any weapon fails if you don’t use it right. What we learned is a poorly planned and executed attack with unreasonable goals and unclear expectations is a recipe for disaster no matter how strong your military is. I think the jury is out on the value of US force projection. I will say this should be a serious wakeup call to the military about the need to modernize- drone warfare has changed things and the time to adapt was 2 years ago.

peelo
peelo
2 hours ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

Funny thing, even in a pre-drone era, this lesson was pounded home in the so-called “global war on terror.” The USA became, on a historic scale, weakened, poorer, and less respected. It blew out the deficit, funded (as was Vietnam) with borrowed money alongside tax cuts. And as of our latest war, we are doubling down. There is no sign of learning, aside from our whipped backing-down here, which is being drowned out by the roaring propaganda machine.

Sentient
Sentient
2 hours ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

That’s all we need – a new and improved US military to try to rule the world.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
1 hour ago
Reply to  Sentient

That would fall under unreasonable goals!

peelo
peelo
2 hours ago
Reply to  cambeiu

A good thing for Americans? An Intriguing thought, maybe, but on the other hand, look at the UK now. Costs of everything go up when you are not running the infrastructure. I’m not sure there is a comfy blueprint for most folks in “former hegemons.” Not that the other menu choices are particularly attractive or low-cost, especially on the downslope from Trump.

Last edited 2 hours ago by peelo
CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
1 hour ago
Reply to  peelo

While your point about hegemony is well taken, I think your comparison is beyond lousy. England is a relatively small island in high latitudes with pretty limited natural resources. The USA, conversely, is probably the most blessed piece of land on the entire planet and is very close to being 100% self-sufficient. Getting all the way to 100% would mostly be a matter of choosing to do so. The few things we’re missing can be (or already are being) stolen from South America. We literally have ZERO reason to care at all about the Eastern Hemisphere beyond resource profiteering and “greatest ally” worship.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 hour ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

We are ruled by Rich pricks that want to be richer pricks.

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