I will write a general reply to a few comments later in this thread about “covid deaths” and how presumably this wave is weaker than other waves and something along those lines. Dear commentators, perhaps you do not realize how today’s main therapeutics work against Covid disease. Prior, in 2020, the main cause of death in Covid was the cytokine storm which is an extraordinary inflammation event that resulted from the body self-detonating (some evolutionary experts said this mechanism is a species-self defense, to kill the host from spreading a hopeless infectious disease to others). What you don’t know is that both vaccines and monoclonal antibodies have a secondary effect, that is THEY REDUCE / ELIMINATE the allergic reaction that leads to the cytokine storm. Let me be clear, in almost all cases, when the cytokine storm started, in the second or third week, most of the virus was already killed by the immune system. Gone, zero. What vaccine a.o. do is that they also eliminate the reason for the acute Covid deaths.
However, the viral particle contains many toxic proteins in it (in the capsule and in the spike that is in the vaccine). And those proteins cause multiple effects, they cross the blood-brain barrier, they affect the kidneys, the heart, the liver,
United States reported 3,440,941 deaths of all ages for the year 2020. Expected deaths were 3,029,015. That is an increase of 411,926 deaths (+13.6%).
To date, for the year 2021, United States reported 3,155,827 deaths of all ages. Expected deaths thus far, were 2,734,661. That is an increase of 421,166 deaths (+15.4%).
If you want to see the effects of a wave, look at EXCESS DEATHS. The vaccine may save you from ICU and a Covid Death, but you could die of a heart attack 3 months later. And let me be clear…. it is a vaccine failure to protect.
In 2021, US as high as vaccinated as it is, had more excess deaths than in 2020. If the state would want to look for details in those numbers, they would correlate the deaths of those with N-IgM tests (to see who had Covid and who was only vaccinated). But now that they are buried, this is no longer possible.
JeffD
2 years ago
There has been zero science used for policy decisions throughout this entire costly fiasco. Had they intervened within the first three weeks of Wuhan spread, all these lockdowns might have made sense. After the ubiquitous spread of the virus, no policy decisions have made any logical sense, much less scientific (which has more rigorous criteria than merely logical decisions).
The scientists at the drug companies initially said that once you’re fully vaccinated you would be protected and boosters were not going to be necessary. They were obviously wrong. Scientists are wrong more than right, that is part of science.
The problem is that science often takes time to see complete results of the experiment, especially in a complex human host. Scientists did not have the time to complete this experiment but they rolled out vaccines without collecting medium or long term results because medium or long term had not yet existed.
The data collected so far overwhelmingly suggests that the vaccine risk is much higher than initially marketed and the death rate from covid is much lower than initially reported since health care institutions were incentivized to over report covid deaths.
There has been a spike in heart attacks, blood clots and strokes in the last year. Hopefully, this subsides but the data is suggesting these incidents are growing a faster rate.
We’ll eventually see long-term vaccine results one way or another.
For those curious, look up Pfizer’s arthritis medication that was on the market for over 10 years before they were forced to list heart attacks, blood clots, strokes, and a higher rate of cancer as side effects due to law suites.
Felix_Mish
2 years ago
Buried in a PDF at Alberta’s site linked below by Doug78 is the information that there are two Canadas: Covidded-Quebec and the-rest-without. This is cases-per-10,000. And, I exaggerate. But Quebec does have 7 times the case load than Manitoba.
What’s really interesting is if you scroll down to the ‘cases and deaths by age group in Alberta’.
Only 3 people under age 60 have died. 3 people. The whole working age population of the province is shutting down for 3 people. Probably have 3 DUI deaths a month and they don’t shut down the roads after 9 pm.
Well, to be fair, without the reaction to Covid, how many extra sub-60s would have died? We don’t know.
At least one group (IHME) used some creative statistics to try to tease out the effects on death-counts of Covid from the effects of Policy/Behavior Reaction. But, though clever and extensively thought out, hmm, ah, … just too many things to go wrong.
By the way, back in 2020 I found Covid-with-Reaction had no effect on the age distribution of deaths in the US. 80+ people die a lot. 0-20 people don’t die. Covid/Reaction didn’t affect that fact. At all. If you’re 85, don’t get Covid. Or anything else! If you’re 5, don’t give it to your grandparents, though you’ll never know you had it, so, … well.
GaryL
2 years ago
It seems like a large portion of the world has gone stark raving lunatic. The PCR test detects the virus, NOT the level of the virus, and therefore whether a person is infected and therefore contagious. The late Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR test, before the Pandemic and before he passed away, asserted exactly that by saying, and I paraphrase, that the PCR test tells you that you have something, but not how much. By PCR testing standards, almost all of us have listeria, which is present in most people, but not in numbers which infect. Good thing the pro sports leagues are not testing for that, or they would have to disband, but also good for them for apparently intuitively realizing that the PCR test is not something to hang your hat on. I read Mullis’ book, Dancing Naked in the Mind Field nearly 20 years ago, highly recommend.
That is largely incorrect. What the inventor said is that the PCR test process can be misused as a clinical diagnostic to tell you are sick and that is today mitigated by limiting the cycle threshold. link to youtube.com
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
Relative severity is decreasing with each variant. This peak in cases is the highest yet the number of hospitalizations and deaths are 1/3 o 1 /2 of those during last Christmas’ wave. A few more weeks of masks and avoiding large crowds is all we really need to manage hospitalizations and death. One could also argue that since the weakest have already passed away, those remaining are more likely to survive getting sick.
But many hospitals are still “at capacity” because they fired nurses which can’t be replaced until new vaccinated ones can complete nursing school. Looking forward to care by nurses trained via Zoom calls. Enough is enough.
Rbm
2 years ago
Told a buddy when this whole thing started it would come down to lives vs money. This is just another example of trying to find the balance.
It just well be weaker but i wonder if it has the potential for long term side effects. Ive heard covid would eventually get weaker and become the regular flu. Maybe this new variant is a step in that direction.
People tend to only think of covid in terms of will it kill you. You also need to consider the cost to the economy if everyone is calling in sick/ long term health consequences/ and a host of other ways this affects society as a whole.
I agree not directly but everything is interconnected. If you get in a car wreck and there is no room in the er it becomes your problem.
If you can get your steak at the grocery store because the packing plant / shipping / and grocery store all have staffing problems due to high infections. It becomes your problem.
If your airline stock takes a dive because people are afraid to travel. It becomes your problem.
What about your insurance rates rising higher because of covid care
Wife had a nurse at her hospital here in California that refused to get vaccinated along with her husband. She lost her job over it. They moved to Tennessee where the husband promptly contracted covid, got sick and died in the ICU. Meanwhile there is sufficient data showing the vaccines work and even those that are vaccinated are living life normally. The NFL could easily have a vaccine mandate and you would see a lot of players get the vaccine rather than sacrifice the paycheck. The owners will go down that path at some point because there are way players who want to play in the NFL than who are playing unvaccinated . At some point I fully expect a high profile athlete to die from being unvaccinated and it will be another data point. The NFL was stupid not to mandate it but football is truly optional. No one should feel sorry for NFL players or owners.
You are assuming they don’t know better. Since they are exposed every working hour of every day for the last two years, perhaps they know slightly more about Covid than you? Glad to hear that armchair quarterbacks understand this more deeply than experienced players.
CDC: 30% of Hospital Workers in US Still Unvaccinated:
Mish, given the fact that the CDC says 30% of hospital workers are unvaccinated, shouldn’t you instead be asking yourself, “What do they know about Covid/vaccinations that I don’t?” You are dealing with third-hand information. They aren’t.
I’ve said similar before on this board. The pro-vax crowd here has planted their flag, cemented it in place and there is very little that is going to make them change the beliefs that have been beaten into them by following the MSM and cable news MD’s. They are classic victims of indoctrination and propaganda at work.
This whole thing has made me question why people( including )myself believe what they believe.
Story a contract tracer told me. Family member got covid doesnt believe its real. Couple wks later grands in hospital on ventilator and whole fam is sick. Still none doesnt believe in getting vaxed. He has story like this every week.
You like stories Rbm? I’ve got many thousand of person stories from real people (or their kin) who were injured or killed after taking their CoVax shots. It’s the weekend. Enjoy.
“At some point I fully expect a high profile athlete to die from being unvaccinated and it will be another data point.”
Data points.
“SESTU, CAGLIARI – An autopsy has concluded that 27-year-old Carlotta Masala has died as a result of pulmonary edema linked to myocarditis. Carlotta, a sporty, sunny girl who had no previous health problems, was found dead by her father Francesco on Tuesday morning at their home in Sestu. The 27-year-old had received her second dose of the Pfizer vaccine in August.”
“A 54-year-old Thai woman has died three days after receiving the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. Rattana Sarakarn received her first dose of the Pfizer vaccine on November 29th and developed multiple symptoms later that night including fever, numbness, and severe dizziness.”
“A mother-of-three died from multiple blood clots less than two weeks after having received the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, an inquest has found. Tanya Smith, 43, was rushed to hospital after waking with stomach cramps days after her jab. At Smith’s inquest yesterday, senior coroner Ian Arrow said the blood clots were a “very rare complication” of the AstraZeneca vaccine.”
“Of the 8,986 U.S. deaths reported as of Nov. 26, 20% occurred within 24 hours of vaccination, 26% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination and 61% occurred in people who experienced an onset of symptoms within 48 hours of being vaccinated.”
Jojo
2 years ago
Why is this surprising? It’s what a normal person/org would do if they think Covid/Omicron fear has jumped the old shark (which it has).
-60 new deaths reported by healthcare facilities through HERDS
Positivity rate is based on number of tests conducted which leads to a flawed number.
Second, Omiron is very new and likely hasn’t made any large inroads yet. And given that Omicron is supposed to be a MILD infection, even to those who are unvaxxed and unlucky enough to wander into it, those number are likely for the Delta variant.
Third, there is no distinction as to WHO are being hospitalized. My contention is that the majority are actually breakthrough infections of the Delta variant occurring in the previously vaxxed to those whose minimal CoVax protection have worn off. WHY don’t they release this info? Hmmmm.
Eddie_T
2 years ago
The De Santis approach to improving COVID numbers….what could possibly go wrong?
We will be able to judge in a couple of weeks or so the different avenues taken to the covid problem since Omicron being much more contagious will go through the populations more rapidly than the other variations. We have states that are closed and ones that are open as well as the vaccinated and the unvaccinated so we have control groups and can compare outcomes although I fear the results will be highly polluted by politics.
They aren’t trying to improve the numbers. They are just trying to play the games and get paid which isn’t an unreasonable expectation for any business.
I think the NFL is doing the right thing here. The players are the cream of the crop genetically in terms of health / age etc. Even if they weren’t vaxxed at all it would be incredibly unlikely any player would die of Covid and the fact they are 95% vaxxed means it’s just that much less likely any of them will die.
Coaches and other team employees on the other hand are something entirely different but as far as the players go, they have nothing to fear by having fewer tests and playing.
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Told a buddy when this whole thing started it would come down to lives vs money. This is just another example of trying to find the balance.
Ive heard covid would eventually get weaker and become the regular flu. Maybe this new variant is a step in that direction.
People tend to only think of covid in terms of will it kill you. You also need to consider the cost to the economy if everyone is calling in sick/ long term health consequences/ and a host of other ways this affects society as a whole.