The Claim
Peace? Really?
- Neither Bahrain nor the UAE have never been involved in any of the wars of Arabs against Israel. Where is the peace deal there?
- The main source of violence in Israel for the past 45 years has been in the reaction Israeli treatment of the Palestinians. Where is the peace?
- This deal sets the stage for Israel to complete an illegal annexation of the West Bank. That will bring violence, not peace.
- Selling F-35s to the UAE is an odd part of a peace deal
- The US still has troops in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, all against the will of those countries. Is that peace or war?
Reality
This is worse than a staged photo op. It assuredly has nothing to do with peace.
Instead, it’s the formalization of an alliance against Iran, against the wishes of our true allies all of which understand that US actions against Iran are both unfounded and illegal.
The US had a peace deal with Iran. All of our allies, independent inspectors, and the UN said Iran was honoring the deal.
Deal Summation
- US State Department: Iran honoring the terms.
- Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: Iran honoring the terms.
- International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA): Iran honoring the terms.
- Arms Control Association: Iran honoring the terms.
- Every other signee of the accord: Iran honoring the terms.
For further discussion, please see CNN vs Newsweek: Who Joins the Silly Parade on the Mideast?
Trump wrecked a genuine peace deal, now he proclaims peace.
Mish
Trump is lowering troops levels in Iraq and Afghanistan by almost half:
“Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of U.S. Central Command, said early Wednesday that the U.S. plans to cut the troop presence in Iraq from 5,200 to 3,000 by the end of September. Speaking to a handful of reporters later, McKenzie provided additional details about the planned withdrawal from Afghanistan, noting that the U.S. military presence would decrease from 8,600 to 4,500 by late October.”
Dr Smock…..environmentalist is one thing, as I think we can all agree that clean air/water/preservation of national treasures are a good thing…. But Steyer is a global warming high priest…..which is a sign of insanity/egomaniacal personality disorder, and a major disqualification in my book. I mean, ANYONE who says that anthropomorphic activity is the primary, or even a statistically significant cause of global temperature variation/climate variability is a fool. The science shows objectively that man does indeed have an impact on his environment, but the environment has changed for millenia and most of the change in climate is due to solar energy variation, which, maybe Im wrong, but kind of makes sense….
Anyhow, I realize this Blog is Mish’s to do with it as he pleases, but his original purpose of this was to analyze global economics through a non-keynsian lens. HOW this started to go political boggles my mind…..especially when he was a big advocate of Trump in 2016 (mostly due to his out of the wars policy, as opposed to Hillary the warmonger). Trump is completely unconventional, and hell, an egomaniac to boot. But most of his policies (note…most, NOT all) have been successful. Washington for years has been a place of process and means….not ends, which, seemingly, never came. The face he actually tells you what he wants to do, tries to it, and when he does, moves on to the next task is refreshing.
Point of fact: Jimmy Carter is eligible for a second term.
Just sayin, Mish, he’s proven Middle-East peace-maker.
To be honest, the only merit of tRump is that he is less war-hungry than Bannon, Bolton, Navaro, Pompouseo and cohorts
remember palestinians are NOT WELCOME in any of their FRIENDS countries – pals are bottom rung of muslims
Israel just needs to line up bull dozers and clean out gaza
when will people realize that in 1967 Egypt and syria/lebanon all started war with Israel and Israel kicked their butts and to WINNER GOES SPOILS – that land palestinians keep sqacking about – NOW BELONGS TO ISRAEL who took IT because of THEIR ACTIONS
Mish, no one said Trump brought peace to the mid east. No one, you are using logical fallacies to attack Trump. He did put together a deal that included two countries that did not formally recognize Israel, agreeing to formally recognize it which increases Israel’s legitimacy, and making it harder for its enemies to challenge it’s right to exist. The legitimacy of a journalist depends on their ability to tell the truth.
Mish, you are dealing in logical fallacy, and that is not a good thing for you credibility, as it is too easily disproved.
No one is saying Trump brought peace to the Mid East. I watched several newscasts last night and no one said that.
What they did say was that a deal was brokered in which 2 countries which had not previously recognized Israel, have now agreed to do so.
The main issue in the opposition to Israel, is it’s being recognized as being a legitimate country.
The more countries that recognize Israel, the more legitimacy they have.
Now I am not a supporter of Israel, and US policy towards Israel, but the fact is that every single President has supported Israel since 1949 and that is a fact.
You just have to laugh at this desperate attempt. Bibi owes Trump a favor for the embassy, and here we have it. With Trump losing, America first gets lost as Americans are jobless for some peace deal with nations not even at war combined with a weapons deal of all things.
The more you look at the #MAGA side of things, the stupider it looks. Those who play the 4D chess card obviously are WWE fans who gradated into politics with Trump.
Eventually those weapons will end up in the wrong hands and America will get blamed. This has happen already in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. If Trump said we have a deal with no weapons deals then it might actually be a story but selling weapons and calling it a peace deal never works out.
And somehow this is worse than Obama getting it because he was breathing?
“And somehow this is worse than Obama getting it because he was breathing?” Did I miss something? Did Mish or anyone else say anything about a stupidly awarded Peace Prize that Obama got? Sure, Trump would do anything to try to eclipse Obama…but did anyone mention this?
Rent-free in your head !
please revise your name to clueless observer
Most Arab countries never recognized Israel as legitimate, and wouldnt until there was an agreement with the Palestinians (which would never agree unless all of Israel was given to them). This is not a surrender as there would be after a war, this is a recognition of Israel as a country, a psychological blow to the Palestine which prods them in the direction of a REALISTIC final deal.
There can be no peace until BOTH parties want it. While Palestine has had the backing of the Arab states, against reality, they have not been willing to negotiate in good faith.
And the signing of this deal brought rockets down on Israel….so who is committing the violence?
Not going to disagree. This is more, I believe, a desire of the UAE to defend itself against the Shia muslims of Iran. Then again, this could be a complete feint by the UAE to acquire US technology that can then be evaluated by China, Iran, etc…..time will tell.
This is a COMPLETELY different issue than the peace deal between Israel and some arab countries. The desire of some US warmongers and neocons to create and maintain some type of empire through force isnt something that should be linked to this agreement/argument. That is a topic of its own….. That being said, yes, the US occupying counties against their wills does foment ill will and contributes to instability in the region. I mean hell, if Russia had troops in our country against our desires, there would be a LOT of people uprising against it…..but they would be called patriots not terrorists. Unless you were a democrat/antifa/marxist/media…..then you may actually welcome it 😉
As long as Israel keeps the Palestinians in a virtual prison in Gaza and denies them any democratic rights on the west bank there will never be peace.
Trumplings are easily impressed… you should hear them cheer when he manages to drink water one handed.
Bill Barr has completely lost his mind.
You thought he was stable before considering Ruby Ridge and other notable actions?
“Bill Barr has completely lost his mind because his findings don’t jive with our narrative!”
There, your sentence is now complete.
No narrative. Calling experienced public prosecutors montessori school kids just isn’t a good look for Barr. Now that we know he is another political hack and has his head up Trump’s ass like you.
Nice language! Typical of the left.
The configuration you describe better depicts AG Eric Holder who called himself “Obama’s wingman”.
I disagree on point #2. Palestinians and Isaeli’s have been fighting since Israel’s creation. That said it’s clear the Palestinian authority on the West Bank has softened their stance unlike the Hamas in Gaza and Israel is not responding in kind. Huge mistake in my view. They should be negotiating a more reasonable solution. It no longer makes sense for Israel to occupy huge portions of the west bank. But more importantly the Palestinian issue is not at the heart of the middle east conflict. It hasn’t for decades if ever.
About 1), let’s see what people in Middle East say (https://mobile.twitter.com/afneil/status/1305076094186512384): Bahraini activist: “Growing awareness among many in Arab world that Jewish people not foreign colonialists in Land of Israel, but part of this land, and part of our region… it’s a fact, and we can do many things together for prosperity, security and peace for region.” Abu Dhabi’s official National newspaper: “The UAE-Israel accord is a win for every Muslim … Since 9/11, Muslims across the world have been on the defensive. I saw the suspicion of Muslims in the eyes of American officials. It always boiled down to: show us peace in Islam. Now, with visionary accord between UAE and Israel, a new horizon is opening to reinstate Muslim dignity by showing peace between peoples. We can now say: ‘A new way of co-existence is achievable. We are not pawns for mullahs of Iran or the Muslim Brotherhood. Look at the UAE.’”
Let’s call a spade a spade: Israel is a racist, apartheid government. America used to impose sanction on racist nations like Israel.
I call Israeli Nazism or a reverse Nazi nation. But’s that’s just me.
Is that what America aspires to be? Like Nazi Israel? An apartheid state? Both Dems & Repubs (same thing) support the same policies, so are also Israeli Nazis?
Anyone who supports Trump in 2020 openly or silently is an idiot. There I said it.
“Anyone who supports Trump in 2020 openly or silently is an idiot. There I said it.”
You forgot to add that they are racist and mean to boot!
“The Iranians only came around when it was made clear to them that the deal excluded weapons. I just wish someone could’ve made that clear to Obama before he signed the damn thing.”
It WAS made clear to Obama and he asked the Iranians about it and they said “we promise not to use any technology for weapons” and Obama said “Well, I am a good judge of character and you guys would never lie to me because the whole world LOVES me, so we are all good!”
And peace reigned in the middle east from that day forward…
CDC’s Redfield made himself look like an idiot by saying masks are better than a vaccine in stopping coronavirus.
Of course a working vaccine is much better at stopping the coronavirus because all the 60+ years old people and people with co-morbidities can be vaccinated quite quickly.
CDC’s own stats say that just under 10,000 people have died from coronavirus alone and the others had 2.6 co-morbities on average on top of coronavirus when they died.
“Trump wrecked a genuine peace deal, now he proclaims peace.”
King Chaos sure does love his alternate facts and realities…
even “journalist Bob Woodward said he wasn’t sure whether President Trump knows in his ‘own head what is real and what is unreal.’”
Isn’t that the problem with serial liars? In their mind their alternate reality is truth. Sadly, so many conservative voters have fallen for this liar.
Selling weapons to everyone you can and calling it a peace deal never ends up well. Whatever the Trump administration is touting you can be sure its the opposite is actually happening.
Just as sure as the previous occupant brought peace (disregard the actions of the administration during its 8-year run).
It’s all for show and not what the headlines shout and that goes beyond the people in this photo and spans the ages. Also – the CARES act wasn’t about caring, the Patriot act didn’t concern patriotic things, and the Economic Opportunity act did not provide economic opportunities.
Hey at least there was no pandemic.
Perhaps you’re a fan of the NYT-
250k deaths year over year is the only number that matters. More deaths then the two most populous countries on the planet combined. Slice and dice it however you want. Trump owns it.
Signed,
2016 Trump voter
If anybody owns it, that would Andrew Cuomo. But hey, he created a lot of vacancies at the previously overbooked retirement homes!
Sorry you appear to have voter’s remorse, I hope that 4 years from now you feel better about what you do with your upcoming vote.
Now, try to emotionally detach from #45 and focus on important points of the articles–
The bulk of the tests used in this country are not scientifically sound diagnostic tools for the current epidemic.
There is a case study from recent history where the same type of test yielded incorrect diagnosis of a particular disease, supporting symptoms and incidence clustering that were observed. However, in that case there was a means to conclusively test for the pathogen and reject the incorrect hypothesis that an epidemic had started. (That is not possible with SARS Covid-19, as researchers have not been able to isolate and purify the virus.)
There is no slicing nor dicing, but in the interest of understanding the situation there is a need to point out that invalid conclusions are being drawn (at an individual level all the way up to federal, ultimately leading to unnecessary and/or harmful legislative action). To wit, your comment about 250k deaths year over year…that number is as empty as most economic numbers highlighted on this forum, but to you it is the only one that matters. You’re disregarding incorrect diagnoses and ascribing all excess deaths over a particular year to a specific cause to fit your perspective.
10 months in and ‘we’ still don’t understand the magnitude of the problem and what’s more, the issue has become a political football for far too many people.
Bahrain is a country(?), did not Saudi Arabia invade Bahrain over a causeway between the 2 countries about 10 years ago, and massacre people. Does not sound independent to me. Our ministry of Propoganda will push shit up a hill and hold their nose. BTW Bill Barr is a member of the right wingnut club in RC Church and a member of OPUS DEI, should rename it to OPUS REX. I think is cannot get worse but it does.