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A Deal with Iran Is Finally Close, Seriously. Iran Wins the Showdown

My base case, a Trump capitulation, is nearly at hand. Major money to Iran.

Accord Will Kickstart Toughest Phase of Talks

The Wall Street Journal reports Deal With Iran Is Close, but Accord Will Kickstart Toughest Phase of Talks

The U.S., Iran and the chief mediator Pakistan all agreed Friday that a peace deal to end the war was nearly complete, though an initial agreement would only kick-start the hardest part of nuclear negotiations over the coming months.

A senior Trump administration official said he was around 80% confident that a deal would be reached in the next few days. It would include an Iranian commitment not to develop or procure a nuclear weapon and Tehran’s promise that it would destroy its stockpile of highly enriched uranium, the official said.

The deal will be structured in a way that Iran receives sanctions relief and economic benefits for the specific steps it takes to wind back its nuclear program, according to the official. If Iran decommissions its nuclear sites, ends its enrichment program and stops funding proxy militia groups—like Hezbollah in Lebanon—it could see broad sanctions relief, which would be a boon to the country’s beleaguered economy.

The signing of an initial agreement would open up a 60-day period during which Iran would open the Strait of Hormuz and the U.S. would wind back a blockade of Iran’s ports and commerce.

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi earlier said a memorandum of understanding “has never been closer,” while Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif added “we can confirm that a final, agreed upon text of the peace deal has been reached.”

Iranian officials warned however that a final decision hadn’t been taken on the deal. “We are in the final stages of reviewing the text of the agreement internally,” Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei said.

UAE to Unlock Billions of Dollars for Iran

Reuters reports UAE to Unlock Billions of Dollars for Iran

The United Arab Emirates has agreed to unlock billions of dollars for Iran, four sources said, ​in a tactical shift after weeks of Iranian attacks on the wealthy Gulf Arab state during the U.S.-Israeli war with the Islamic Republic.

Word of the move, which has not ‌been previously reported, coincides with the final stages of broader negotiations between Tehran and Washington on ending the war, talks that diplomats say could involve the release of tens of billions of dollars in Iranian oil revenues frozen in foreign banks under U.S. sanctions.

Two regional sources told Reuters the UAE had agreed to release a total of $10 billion, more than $3 billion of which had already been delivered.
Two other sources with knowledge of the arrangement put the total funds involved at $20 billion, adding that the ​move had been agreed in return for a halt to Iranian attacks on the UAE. One of the sources with knowledge of the arrangement also said a first tranche of $3 ​billion had already been made available.

Reuters could not establish whether the funds earmarked for the transfers belong to the UAE or originate in long-blocked Iranian accounts in the ⁠UAE banking system, or elsewhere.

“The UAE’s foreign policy is guided by promoting de-escalation ​and reducing tensions across the region, while advancing lasting peace and stability,” the official said. “The UAE supports efforts, including those undertaken by the United States, to protect the peoples of the region from the repercussions ​of conflict.”

The arrangement signals a striking pivot from the ​open animosity of UAE-Iran relations through much of the war, when Iranian attacks emptied Dubai’s hotels, drove some expatriates to flee and shook the reputation for safety that is central to the country’s position as a premier ‌business hub.

One of ⁠the sources with knowledge of the arrangement said the move offered a way to help solve the conflict between the U.S. and Iran without either side crossing its red line: Iran can claim it extracted compensation for war damages, Washington can insist it paid nothing, and Abu Dhabi obtains its own security and Dubai’s hub status, while framing the move as an investment in rebuilding regional trust.

The other source with knowledge of the arrangement said that in return for the disbursement, Iran would halt missile and drone attacks on the UAE, and there would be a rebuilding of bilateral ties, including intelligence sharing and economic cooperation.

The source added ​that Iran had approached at least two other ​Gulf Arab countries to make a similar arrangement.

Sizeable Iranian Assets in Dubai

The UAE-Iranian arrangement is set to unfold against a complex financial backdrop potentially involving Dubai, the UAE’s main commercial hub and one of Tehran’s most critical economic lifelines.

Dubai’s banks have long held substantial Iranian-linked deposits, much of them now immobilized under U.S. sanctions that police the global dollar-clearing system and expose any ⁠foreign bank ​dealing with blacklisted Iranian entities to being cut off from the American financial network.

On April 11, a senior Iranian source said ​the U.S. had agreed to release Iranian frozen assets held in Qatar and other foreign banks, although a U.S. official swiftly denied the assertion.

The source, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter, told Reuters that unfreezing the assets ​was “directly linked to ensuring safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz”, a key issue in talks aimed at ending the conflict.

Capitulation

Trump says no funds for Iran, Reuters says otherwise.

Trump will shove this under the rug by claiming “No US funding” or whatever. It doesn’t matters.

I have been in the deal camp for months, believing that Trump would eventually cave in.

Unless Israel quickly kills this somehow, I think a deal is finally at hand.

What Did Trump Gain by This?

Nothing. Iran agreed to even more favorable deal before Trump opted for war.

And Obama secured a much more favorable deal before that.

Before and After

My Base Case

Given strategic oil drawdowns, Iran’s ability to escalate, and Trump’s unwillingness to launch a major troop commitment, Trumpian capitulation has been my base case for months.

Israel will attempt to wreck this, but too many forces in the region want a deal and US voters never wanted war in the first place.

In the process, Trump will have alienated the warmongers like Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, and the Wall Street Journal.

Trump previously alienated the anti-war wing of the party.

Anything to preserve Trump’s ego. Iran threw Trump a bone.

But what about passage fees?

Confirmed Fees Says Iran

If accurate, Trump’s capitulation is even greater than I expected.

Signs of a Deal

Flashback May 31: Frustrated Trump Ups Terms for a Deal with Iran. What’s Going On?

Nothing Has Changed

The fact that Trump upped the terms of the deal is just a sign of more Trump delusion that he can win the war with demands.

It’s also a sign of huge pushback by Israel and US warmongers who don’t want a deal at all.

This does not change the fact that Trump still has the same three options he has had since the ceasefire started on April 7 2026.

Trump’s Three Options

  1. Military Escalation
  2. Wait Iran Out
  3. Agree to a Deal Acceptable to Iran

Military Escalation Option Is Flawed

A military operation to remove Iran’s nuclear material could take years with no guarantee of success. Indeed, I would expect this to fail just like we failed in Afghanistan and Vietnam.

The US production of defense systems is running low. The US and the Mideast is defending against $30,000 drones with much more expensive options that are in short supply.

Importantly, it is Iran, not the US, with huge escalation threats. Iran, if attacked, could go after desalinization plants in the region. Literally, the entire nation of Saudi Arabia would have to evacuate in days if its desalinization plants were hit.

Agree to a Deal Acceptable to Iran

When you throw away every option that doesn’t work, you are left with options that will work. That is option three, no matter how distasteful.

Trump thinks he is being cute by increasing his demands. But Iran will either laugh or up its demands in response.

It is Trump who is desperate for a deal, not Iran.

I had been discussing those three options for months, not just recently.

At some point Trump was destined to cut losses.

Trump’s Stated Preference Today Is to Steal Iran’s Oil, Literally

Yesterday, I commented Trump’s Stated Preference Today Is to Steal Iran’s Oil, Literally

Trump made his most believable statement ever today.

The Big Lie Then the Truth

  • Big Lie: They [Iran] is really in submission. They just don’t know it yet.
  • Big Truth: Look, my preference has always been take Kharg Island. [Iran’s major oil export terminal]. … I don’t know that America has the stomach for it to be honest with you. We would make a fortune. But I don’t know that America has the stomach. I think they’d like to see us come home. But we did it with Venezuela. We’ve taken millions and millions of barrels out of Venezuela.

Mission Changes

  • At start of war: Regime Change, full surrender
  • Early Phase: Get the deal Obama had
  • Mid phase: Open the strait that was open before Trump started the stupid war
  • Now: Sell a strategic loss as a win

Trump’s New Mission

Trump needs to convince voters that he got something out of this self-created inflationary mess.

He needs to sell a strategic loss as a win.

MAGA will go along with the charade. Independent and swing voters won’t.

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njbr
njbr
1 day ago

guy takes a break from oiling up sweaty wrestlers and tweets…

This morning’s attack on Beirut should not have happened, particularly on a special day when we are so close to a Peace Deal with Iran. Israel has the right to defend itself against threats, but the attack it was responding to was very small and meaningless, nobody was hurt, injured, or killed, and should not disrupt this important process. We are very close to a Deal that will bring peace to the region, including to Lebanon, and all sides should stand down. There should be no more attacks by Israel anywhere in Lebanon, but there should also be no more attacks by any other party, including Hezbollah, against Israel. This could be the beginning of a long and beautiful peace — Let’s not blow it! Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP

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why
why
1 day ago

LoL!

ZH is claiming this is gonna happen, for real this time.

And Israel attacks Lebanon.

I guess this means Trump will be turning his back on Israel. I wouldn’t cheer on this, however, because though this is good news it’s also a sign that the US can’t support even one country anymore.

That is to say we are seeing the decline of America into irrelevance.

Proof is Trump getting NATO to increase each member state contributions, and threats of Trump leaving NATO. We seen it here in this war with Iran in where the US couldn’t protect the Gulf States from Iranian aggression. And now we are finally seeing it here as it turns its back on Israel, an ally it agreed to jump head first into a war with Iran. And there’s still more examples like the tariffs on allies.

Again I’m not claiming that American global power declining is a bad thing, but there will be consequences for being marginalized into nothingness when having been the prominent force that shaped the globe these last 85 years or so. That is to say you can’t build onto something of which you’ve ripped out the foundation that everything stands on and have replaced it.

Because of this what is being signed isn’t a declaration of peace, no. It’s a declaration that America no longer has the innovation, production capacity, intelligence, leadership skills, or even its military power to maintain its leadership in the world. And when a long standing leadership suddenly can no longer lead we see a power void.

In such power voids is when everything that was built on top of the foundation, that doesn’t exist anymore, collapses. This is not a declaration of peace this is a declaration that the lone king on the hill can be killed. Thus more war, not peace, is in our future.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago

A senior Iranian official told Reuters a final draft of the memorandum of understanding with the U.S. covered a ​range of issues, from Tehran’s nuclear work to reopening the ‌Strait of Hormuz and U.S. waivers on oil sanctions, with a final deal to be discussed in the 60 days following agreement by the two sides.

The Iranian official said the ​draft memorandum included the following:

STRAIT OF HORMUZ:

* Iran immediately reopens the ​Strait of Hormuz to all commercial vessels, while the U.S. ⁠lifts its naval blockade on Iranian ports. The lifting of the U.S. blockade would ​begin immediately after the memorandum is signed and be completed within 30 days.

financial:

* ​The U.S. agrees not to impose any new sanctions on Iran until a final deal is reached.

* Following a final agreement, all U.S. and U.N. sanctions on Iran would ​be lifted according to an agreed timetable.

* The U.S. will waive oil sanctions ​on Iran for a specified period, allowing Tehran to sell oil and receive revenue.

* The ‌U.S. ⁠agrees to release $25 billion of Iran’s frozen assets, including via direct cash transfers, cooperation among regional countries, and financial credit lines.

* Washington, in coordination with its regional allies, would prepare a reconstruction and development plan for Iran, to ​be negotiated and agreed ​with Tehran within ⁠60 days.

NUCLEAR

* Tehran agrees that it will neither produce nor acquire nuclear weapons.

* Pending a final agreement, Iran would maintain ​the current status of its nuclear programme, refraining from further ​uranium enrichment ⁠and expansion of nuclear facilities.

* The United States agrees to allow Iran to dilute its stockpile of highly enriched uranium on Iranian soil under a future comprehensive ⁠agreement.

* Iran’s ​nuclear programme, uranium enrichment activities and mechanisms ​for handling its stockpile of highly enriched uranium would be negotiated within 60 days of the memorandum ​and addressed in a final agreement.

Pedro
Pedro
1 day ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Basically reinstate JCPOA minus, after a Trumpy temper tantrum , killing people, and wasting billions of dollars. Another MAGA win by any measure

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago
Reply to  Pedro

If correct. And nothing has been signed yet. Hardliners in Israel and Iran will both hate this.

What was the human and financial cost to almost get back to where we were years ago?

We spent tens of billions destroying Iran and will now spend even more to rebuild it. All for nothing.

pokercat
pokercat
21 hours ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Maybe considered practice or training for the military? /s

radar
radar
1 day ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I bet this is nothing more than setting Trump up to look like a fool. It’ll get signed and he’ll finally get to bloviate how it’s the greatest deal ever made, much better than Obama’s, right before they start attacking and laughing their ass off.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago
Reply to  radar

I am not expecting an escalation in hostilities. Though it is a possibility.

What isn’t mentioned here are the details, such as whether “opening the strait” includes Iran still controlling it and charging fees. The fees could be part of the reparation negotiations.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago
Reply to  radar

As I said, hardliners in Israel and Iran will hate this.

So Israel attacked Lebanon today again. Probably trying to scuttle the MOU before it is signed.

Will Iran respond with attacks on Israel? Time will tell.

radar
radar
1 day ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I think they’ll at least continue controlling the strait, charging fees, simply because they can, and it’d cause Trump to go into a rage.

Jon
Jon
1 day ago
Reply to  radar

Trump already looks like a fool. Iran has never started attacking without being attacked first, so that is highly doubtful.

radar
radar
1 day ago
Reply to  Jon

Their terror proxies have attacked first.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Iran’s IRGC threatens an “imminent and devastating response” against Israel before dawn tomorrow after three Israeli strikes on Beirut’s Dahiyeh district today, warning Israel to “prepare its shelters” and saying “the era of acting without consequence has passed.”

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago
Reply to  PapaDave

And Trump considers “giving” Iran “something” if they don’t respond.

dave barnes
dave barnes
1 day ago

Fat Donnie’s deal is very different from Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s deal.
The incoherent, inarticulate, incompetent, incontinent, morbidly obese, hebephrenic, sadistic, psychopath never wore a tan suit.

pokercat
pokercat
21 hours ago
Reply to  dave barnes

Thank heavens, Obama almost brought the Republic down with that one. No POTUS has ever come so close to complete collapse of the USA as Obama wearing the tan suit. Thank goodness Michele was there to put him in a dark gray suit the next day forever preventing anything tan from showing up in his wardrobe…ever.
Ms Michele Obama the savior of the US.

Who could have imagined that?

86/47

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
1 day ago

Well, well, here we all are again, like diplomats assembling for another round of “negotiations” while outside, the war goes on. I have made a few late comments on some of the posts (probably the silliest ones – they’re “low-hanging fruit”) myself.

In a free economy, a deal never gets done except if both sides think they benefit: that’s a basic of economics. In military affairs, it may be different: a deal may be a disguised surrender. In industrial relations, in the old days when strikes were big news, as I recall it, both sides usually announced afterwards that they had “won” in the agreement that ended the strike. The public weren’t in a position to know who had done better out of the deal. If wage agreements were too high for the economy, the central bank just fixed things by allowing inflation. The workers didn’t know what had happened, and neither did the newspaper-readers.

I would like to think that Trump has won in the sense that he has weakened the Shiite regime in Persia, and perhaps cut down on the amount of bloodshed and injustice going on throughout the Middle East. Then maybe he can turn his attention to settling the Ukraine war and cleaning up Cuba. However, he will still have a big job ahead of him, restraining the Israelis from going on murdering various kinds of Moslems (refugees in Gaza, peasants in the West Bank, more peasants in the Lebanon).

At least you have to give him credit for cleaning up Venezuela very effectively and cheaply.

Mick
Mick
1 day ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

We’ve done jack shit with Venezuela other than bribe so we could kidnap their President and steal their oil. IMO a certainty long-term something goes wrong there and it backfires.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

“I would like to think that Trump has won in the sense that he has weakened the Shiite regime in Persia, and perhaps cut down on the amount of bloodshed and injustice going on throughout the Middle East.”

Is that supposed to be a joke or sarcasm? We caused all kinds of death, destruction and bloodshed ourselves in Iran during this war. We eliminated most of the moderates that were in power, and they were replaced by hardliners. We forced Iran to respond by closing the strait of Hormuz, and now they know they can use that as leverage for the foreseeable future. Our Persian Gulf allies discovered that our bases ended up being targets, rather than deterrents, and now they will want to get rid of them. The countries in the region are already individually negotiating with Iran for peace. Some are willing to pay fees for safe passage through the strait. So are some Greek shipping companies. We burned through a crap load of our military munitions, and ended up in a worse position then when we started. As Rubio said, the goal now is to get back to where we were before the war began. Good luck with that.

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Phil in CT
Phil in CT
1 day ago
Reply to  PapaDave

The joke is he’s Orwellian and he expects you to swallow the state lies in spite of your own two eyes. The meta joke he doesn’t know what orwellianism is.

Jon
Jon
1 day ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

What did he clean up in Venezuela?

Otterpater
Otterpater
1 day ago

Mike: Stick to economic analysis and skip politics. That’s not why I follow you. Just sayin…..

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
1 day ago
Reply to  Otterpater

Is is economics,dipshit

radar
radar
1 day ago
Reply to  Otterpater

Nothing is forcing you to click on a non-economic title. But I would argue politics has a huge impact on economics.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
1 day ago
Reply to  Otterpater

Then don’t read.

why
why
2 days ago

A picture is slowly coming into view:

I saw some reports around 10pm last night that fore exchanges wrre happening between Iran and the US. At the time I assumed it was old news being recycled (just reading headlines). I crash and wake up around 2:30am

And I find this:

https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/2065608055790637301

Posted adound the same time I woke up last night but after reading I went on a search to see if the MOU jad ben signed, nope. Yet the US govt just said (read the x post) that the waterway will remain open.

I read this afternoon that Trump isn’t actually negotiating with the Supreme Leader nor the Iranian Revolutionary Guard on this MOU and I believe that it’s true. Why?

If the condition in the MOU is be a 60 day gradual removal of sanctions, and must prove that it’s working on the objectives laid out in the MOU by completing them Iran will have the sanctions slowly lifted at each completion point. On top of this Trump is saying publicly that the waterway “will be open to everyone” after this is signed.

“The Deal is scheduled to get signed tomorrow, and immediately after it is signed, the Hormuz Strait is OPEN TO ALL,” Trump said in a social media post on Saturday.

https://fortune.com/2026/06/13/trump-deal-us-iran-war-reopen-strait-of-hormuz-sunday/

This and the nuclear dust which now Trump is saying the US will personally be going in and taking it:

https://trumpstruth.org/statuses/39239

There’s no way I can accept, from past statements, that both the Supreme Leader nor the Iranian Revolutionary Guard would sign off on this.

This IMO is optics and the deal is fake. Se will be back to square one on this issue before the end of July, August at latest.

Sentient
Sentient
1 day ago
Reply to  why

We need to remember that Trump has become senile in an odd way that causes him to believe things that are not true. It’s like me saying I’ll be going out on a date with Adriana Lima tomorrow. Unfortunately for her, she has been ignoring my entreaties. Col Daniel Davis is trying to make sense of this latest Trump statement, even though it doesn’t seem to make any sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKpzUEn5U9A (23 minutes)

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Mick
Mick
1 day ago
Reply to  why

DJT : “Hopefully, this process will all work out quickly, easily, and smoothly. If it doesn’t, we have the ultimate alternative, hopefully never to be used again!”

It doesn’t take too much parsing to work out that he still has tactical nukes on his mind. What a lunatic!

why
why
1 day ago
Reply to  Mick

That statement tells me that he knows he’s putting forth a deal that’s highly likely to fail. And why?

Because he’s playing one fraction within Iran against another by having one sign his MOU. It’s also why the US isn’t packing up and leaving the Hormuz the day this is signed.

If my suspicions are correct that Trump is only dealing with just the elected govt and not the Supreme Leader nor the Iranian Revolutionary Guard there’s no way this will lead to a peace deal.

It will, however, in its failure (should it actually fail) probably bring about the worst part of what this war will eventually become.

Mick
Mick
1 day ago
Reply to  why

I think we need to be careful not to assume that Iran’s leadership is fractured. I’ve noticed that notion floated about for the last few months. IMO it’s a form of propaganda to try to convince people that Iran is internally weak and thus closer to regime change. That gives a reason to hit them hard “just once more”.

Jon
Jon
2 days ago

Trump mentioned sending Vance to Europe to sign the deal. What are the chances Trump is throwing his Veep under the bus? Something like “this is Vance’s weak, stupid deal. I would have never signed that!”

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Of course.

And, like the dumb loyal scrote he is, Vance dutifully goes along.

Sentient
Sentient
1 day ago
Reply to  Jon

I don’t even think they’ll be gassing up Air Force Two. Trump will probably come out tomorrow and say “we had this beautiful deal and suddenly Iran won’t sign”. There’s no suddenly about it. What Iran would agree to and what Trump thinks the deal is are probably 180 degrees apart.

why
why
2 days ago

There’s a lot of talk that this deal is being made by the elected parts of the Iranian govt and not with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard or the Supreme Leader.

If this is true this will be one the stupidest and epic fails ever recorded in history.

Sentient
Sentient
1 day ago
Reply to  why

He’s called the Supreme Leader for a reason. If they’ve agreed to anything but it still needs Supreme Leader approval, yeah, it’s just a fart in the wind.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
1 day ago
Reply to  Sentient

Somebody can be called a “supreme leader” and yet not actually be in charge of anything. I suggest that Trump may be seeking to create internal dissension in the Persian power structure.

Trump isn’t stupid. Religious fanatics usually are.

Mick
Mick
1 day ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

Trump was stupid enough to listen to Netanyahu. QED.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

So you think Trump was smart to start this war?

pokercat
pokercat
21 hours ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

To think trump isn’t tells me you probably are dumb as a rock.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
1 day ago
Reply to  why

Or it could be one of the greatest deceptions. Get Trump to sign the deal that is signed by someone from Iran without constitutional power to do so. Trump calls off the US Navy, Iran keeps low for awhile, then resumes nuclear enrichment.

todde
todde
1 day ago
Reply to  why

its not true.

Peace
Peace
2 days ago

TACO.
This is the Peace Deal 100% success you’ve ever made.
8 wars in 9 months.
9 wars in 15 months.
You’ll be the Nobel Peace Prize Winner next time.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
2 days ago

UAE denies it’s releasing money to Iran. The more countries that get involved, the later or less likely an agreement becomes. Desperation on Iran’s part is implied by escalation of their Triple H (Houthi, Hezbolla, and Hamas) threats. Proxies will help pull some US forces away from Iran so Iran can attack US Navy, Gulf countries, and cargo ships stuck in the Persian Gulf. Desperation by the US is implied by sending more Navy ships or public statements that clearly refer to the use of nuclear weapons.

JohnF
JohnF
2 days ago

MARCO RUBIO TODAY: “The goal of the war in Iran is now to return it to how it was before Trump (Greater Israel) started the war.”

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 days ago
Reply to  JohnF

Once the war started, there was no going back to the status quo.

Iran now knows that they can control the strait, and that is leverage that they will never willingly give up. It’s a bigger deal than enriched uranium.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 day ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I dunno… if the US or Israel want control of the straight bad enough to use nukes, it would be handy to have nukes of your own.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Using nukes is stupid. There wouldn’t be much left worth controlling.

A U.S.–Israeli nuclear strike on Iran would devastate the Persian Gulf: it would contaminate air and water, cripple Gulf oil infrastructure, shut the Strait of Hormuz for months or years, and trigger a region‑wide humanitarian and geopolitical collapse.

And it would guarantee a nuke response on both Israel and the US in the near future.

Last edited 1 day ago by PapaDave
El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 day ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Stupid is our brand.

pokercat
pokercat
21 hours ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

You forgot hateful and bigoted Christian MAGA.

pokercat
pokercat
21 hours ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Building a ground based nuke in a major American city waiting for the right time would be the smart move. No missile needed.
How that could happen I have no idea….I know poker.

CJW
CJW
2 days ago

Trumps loss is a win for everyone else in the world except maybe Russia and the oil companies. I think his expectations of winning a peace prize have been dashed. If these are the terms he definitely comes out of this looking like a total loser. I expect he (the us) and Israel are now persona non grata in the eyes of the rest of the world as well they should be. This has whole episode is the very definition of FUBAR.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago
Reply to  CJW

Assuming some agreement is actually achieved:

“ Trumps loss is a win for everyone else in the world except maybe Russia and the oil companies.”

Disagree. It is a loss for the entire world. This further interrupts the free flow of goods being shipped all over the world. Iran will continue to charge fees and threaten shipping through the strait. It will never return to the free flow of goods that used to happen there.

The countries in the Persian Gulf will be hard hit. Everyone will be looking for alternate sources and alternate routes for items they previously got with ease from this area. Prices of those commodities will rise.

The world has lost well over a billion barrels of oil production in just over 3 months time. Global inventories are approaching tank bottom levels. It will take many months to restore production to pre war levels, assuming some production wasn’t permanently damaged. And tank bottoms will be reached before that restoration is completed. Oil prices may fall initially, but they will soon go higher as shortages appear in the next few months. Demand for oil will rise as everyone looks to refill their empty storage tanks over the next few years.

Higher oil prices are a win for Russia and oil companies. And a negative for the global economy.

Sledge
Sledge
2 days ago

I’ll believe it when I see it.

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 days ago

Iran says no to signing anything this weekend. They are still going over the MOU wording.

This is typical Iranian negotiating behaviour; stretch things out as long as possible till the other party wears down.

Meanwhile, a tanker was struck by missiles as it attempted to exit the gulf near Oman. Likely an Iranian warning that they still control the strait and want ships to pay their fees and use their routes.

https://gulfnews.com/world/mena/us-iran-conflict-tanker-struck-by-unknown-projectile-off-oman-coast-ukmto-reports-1.500573273#

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Sentient
Sentient
2 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

It’s not just “typical Iranian behavior”. It’s typical of diplomacy in general. Complex negotiations usually take many months if not years and certainly require a careful reading, especially with different languages and translations – not all of which may be identical. Usually negotiators meet face-to-face, not merely exchanging notes through intermediaries. Face-to-face meetings with the Americans and Israelis have proven to be deadly, though, the last couple years.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Exactly. Iran has no reason to trust the treacherous Americans or the malevolent Israelis.

radar
radar
2 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I thought their military had been decimated. I think they hate Trump so much they want to bring him maximum pain. The supreme leader lost his father, wife and kids from what I read, I doubt he wants to make any kind of deal.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago
Reply to  radar

Iran never had much of a traditional “military”. Yes, we destroyed some of their ships and aircraft, but many were sent away for safe keeping because Iran knew they were no match against us. Pakistan is hiding a lot of the Iranian airforce aircraft.

Instead Iran has focused on producing tens of thousands of inexpensive drones (much like Ukraine), missiles, fast boats and mines which act as an effective deterrent. They are the reason the US navy has kept its distance throughout the war. They are also the reason we have used up most of our very expensive long range missiles rather than dropping less expensive bombs from the skies over Iran with aircraft. And they have been used very effectively to destroy our military bases in the region.

I had to laugh when Trump said he was willing to personally meet with the Iranian leader. As you said, Trump killed his father, wife, brother and children. I’m sure he would only have one thing on his mind if he met with Trump, and that would be to end his life.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
2 days ago

 Iran demands $300bn to end war
Agreement would release assets and lift sanctions in exchange for nuclear talks 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/06/12/iran-demands-300bn-end-war/

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 days ago

Excellent post. 3-Star Mishelin award granted for calling it from the very beginning. Trump lost and Iran ends up better off, only a truly incompetent clown could make that happen.

peelo
peelo
2 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Even the best leaders and best-laid plans could have such a result, but having this incompetent clown at the helm sure helps. As I have said, a man with such an abnormal sense of self, and no sense of shame or responsibility, will keep pressing weird stunts until the finds the ones that can stop him. My concern is the collateral damage when such things happen, at scales such as this. Even if Iran wraps up now (which I do not believe), his weird focus will alight on other global stunts.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
2 days ago

Iran demands $300bn to end war “How can the Israeli lobby allow this??????”

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 days ago

They won’t.

peelo
peelo
2 days ago

Trump is finding lots of characters around with (unforeseen) veto powers on his simplistic campaigns. In this 3-cornered situation, 2 of them have that.

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I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
2 days ago
Reply to  peelo

There are three players, Israel playing Checkers, the USA playing Pocket Pool and the Iranians playing Chess.
For those not familiar with American slang “Pocket Pool” refers to a particular form of wanking.

The Tooth
The Tooth
1 day ago

I would have asked for 1 trillion….given all the U.S./ISN’TREAL terrorism and genocide throughout the years.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
2 days ago

U.S. Energy Secretary Chris Wright just gave the market a number that helps explain why Brent crude isn’t trading at $150 per barrel.
Speaking at a Bloomberg Energy event in Houston on Friday, Wright said the U.S. military is now helping move roughly 7 million barrels per day (bpd) of oil out of the Persian Gulf. According to Wright, that’s about half of the oil that remains stranded following the disruption of tanker traffic through the Strait of Hormuz during the ongoing U.S.-Israeli conflict with Iran.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-Military-Helping-Move-7-Million-Bpd-Out-of-Persian-Gulf-Wright-Says.html

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 days ago

By US military, you mean the US taxpayer. How many billions of dollars is all of that escort service costing?

Mick
Mick
2 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

The only escort service the U.S. is providing is in the function of being a whore for Israel.

Fubar111111
Fubar111111
2 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

File this under “Fictional Events That Never Happened”FF

Mick
Mick
2 days ago

Anyone with half a brain knows this cannot be true. A VLCC is multiple football fields in in length, slow, and it’s not believable that they can routinely cross the Strait undetected, without Iranian permission or Iranian military engagement. 7 million bpd is roughly 1/3 of the normal oil transit capacity, and assuming each VLCC can carry roughly 2 million barrels, that implies 3-4 of these are being moved by the U.S. Navy through the Strait every day. Bullshit.

Jojo
Jojo
1 day ago
Reply to  Mick

This is your problem. You only have half-a-brain but understanding the situation requires at least 3/4 of a brain.

Go make an appointment with Dr. Frankenstein. He can hook you up with the extra brain power that you lack.

Mick
Mick
1 day ago
Reply to  Jojo

Oh I’m sorry, did you have any facts to present to counter my information. No? Then STFU.

Jojo
Jojo
1 day ago
Reply to  Mick

That was a fact I presented you with!

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 days ago

Let’s pretend that is the case. How are those tankers going to go back in an reload, when the Gulfie tyrannies have shut production?

njbr
njbr
2 days ago

Richard Haass

The good news is that a deal will eventually emerge. The bad news is that it will not bring peace, long-term stability, or a return to the status quo ante. In no way will it justify the decision to undertake this war. The Strait may be reopened, but it will not stay open, certainly not unconditionally and permanently. Iran may decide to shut it one day to ships carrying oil or other cargo to countries selling arms to Israel. Or to countries refusing to help it financially. Iran could even limit use of the Strait for some manufactured security, environmental, or safety reason to remind others that they must take Tehran’s concerns into account or they will forfeit the ability to transit.

Similarly, any nuclear pact will not solve the problem. What happens if inspectors are denied access? Or do not receive promised information? Or Iran does not disclose all of its nuclear-related infrastructure and shields elements of it from inspection? Or after whatever moratorium agreed to on enrichment expires? It is impossible to inspect every building or to erase knowledge. It is realistic to assume that many in Iran have determined that the only reason the country was attacked in the first place is because it did not have nuclear weapons. Monitoring and limiting Iran’s nuclear activities promises to be an open-ended challenge.

Then there is the near certainty that any U.S.-Iran agreement will not preclude Iran’s support for its proxy groups or place meaningful limits on its conventional arms. Which means friction, and at times limited conflict, between Israel and Iran, will not go away. All this bodes ill for the U.S.-Israel relationship. It also bodes ill for the region, since this or future U.S. administrations will want nothing so much as to turn their attention to other parts of the world and to the home front. I expect those now running Iran are counting on just this and are biding their time.

Mohamed
Mohamed
2 days ago
Reply to  njbr

All of this matters because?
The rest of the world is facing dire economic consequences if this war does not stop now.
The best way to fight this war, is to play the Iranian game against them and return to the 1980’s Afghan mujahideen kind of alliance with the sunnis in the region. There is always a bigger fish. If the west had not blundered in and wasted its resources and military fighting unnecessary wars; China, Russia and to some extent India would have been the ones bogged down fighting in Asia.

Sentient
Sentient
2 days ago
Reply to  Mohamed

Instigate some Sunni violence against Iran? How very CIA of you. F*** that. How about we stop instigating violence and mind our own business – although that would be counter to our nature? We already tried to get the Kurds (Sunnis) to attack Iran and they respectfully declined. They might have gotten wise, since they’ve been burned by the US innumerable times. If Israel would return to its 1967 borders and stop murdering Palestinians (and Lebanese and Syrians) to steal their land, peace might break out – although that’s apparently counter to their nature. At the very least we should stop helping them with their murderous and greedy schemes.

Mohamed
Mohamed
1 day ago
Reply to  Sentient

Kurds and other nationalists will not be ready to fight Iran like those who are ideologically opposed to Shia. Zionist strategy of seeking secular allies( Kurds, Kosovo, Azeris, UAE etc.,) is a failed strategy born out of hatred and fear of religion in general. Islam has protected Jewish communities from blood libel ever since caliph Omar liberated Jerusalem 1400 years ago and made it a shared city for Muslims, Jews and Christians.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 days ago
Reply to  Mohamed

How about we leave the Gulfie tyrannies to the mercies of Persia and tbeir own Shia populations?

JohnF
JohnF
2 days ago
Reply to  Mohamed

Iran–Iraq War Began With the Iraqi Invasion of Iran in September 1980 – After Eight Years of Conflict – US/Iraq Lost.!

Iran War (2026) – History Repeats – US/Greater Israel Lost.!

Iraq 2003 – WMD Lie
Iran 2026 – WMD Lie
History Keeps Repeating

(‘Finishing Off – Iran’) Gen W. Clark 2001 (+ Gaza Genocide) For ‘Greater Israel’.!

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
1 day ago
Reply to  JohnF

I didn’t think “US/Iraq lost.” As I understood it, the U.S.A. helped Iraq just enough to allow it to hold its own against Persia, not enough to win. It was a cold-blooded strategy to weaken Persia and, no doubt, strengthen Israel’s position. The war eventually ended when Persia and Iraq agreed to a ceasefire.

Mick
Mick
1 day ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

I was surprised to learn that Israel gave weapons to Iran to fight Iraq. Seems like more of the divide-and-conquer strategy that Israel/U.S. often employs. Israel also at times funded Hamas, helping prevent a unified Palestinian movement.

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Jon
Jon
2 days ago
Reply to  njbr

Return to the JCPOA and punish Israel for treating its non-Jewish neighbors poorly. Problem solved.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
1 day ago
Reply to  Jon

You should know by now that you can’t “punish Israel.” The Jewish power structure in the U.S.A. would punish you, and a lot more effectively than you could punish Israel. Stupidity has a cost. I have read somewhere that Benjamin Franklin wanted to ban Jewish immigration, because he foresaw just such a situation as has now come about.

Mick
Mick
1 day ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

I suspect that’s about to change. There are limits to influence, and when we go into a depression because of this war, then a lot of Americans will turn on Israel. Politicians who once feared the wrath of AIPAC (but who don’t hold tightly to Zionist beliefs) will change stripes or give way to those who want to ride that wave.

Mick
Mick
2 days ago
Reply to  njbr

You don’t get it. Israel and the U.S. ARE the problem and source of instability for the Middle East. The solution is a new security agreements (some call “architecture”) which includes Arab nations, Iran, Pakistan, with possible assistance from China and Russia. The U.S. will have no place in this new architecture. All the bases will be dismantled, and U.S. forces will be required to be removed from the vicinity.

The Tooth
The Tooth
1 day ago
Reply to  Mick

Exactly!

  • Create the lovely conditions for terrorism.
  • Go in and “fight” the terrorism
  • To JUSTIFY the BUDGETS esp. the military and intel.
Jojo
Jojo
1 day ago
Reply to  njbr

Haass has always been full of himself. Much like Friedman of the NYT. These people are supposed “pundits” who make the rounds of the left wing TV talk shows.

However, the Trump administration has not been listening to their tried old commentary, which got us nowhere in the past except stuck into the quagmire that we are now in.

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
2 days ago

3,000 year-old problem solved in 3 1/2 months….Okay my guy….LOLz

most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
2 days ago

I saw a meme that an “Iran”-backed group is “hacking FBI drones and wants to attack the world cup”.

JFC! An insult to anyone capable of cui bono analysis.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 day ago

Real Americans don’t watch that fruity futbol anyhow.

most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
most of you voted for the uniparty all your lives
1 day ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

lol…agree… I can still sing “proud to be an American” even if now only because of NFL.

why
why
2 days ago

LoL!

https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/2065608055790637301

“Iran launched multiple one-way attack drones in an attempt to strike commercial ships transiting the Strait of Hormuz. U.S. forces have downed all of them in recent hours as traffic flow through the strait continues unimpeded. The international trade corridor remains open for transit.

1:31 AM · Jun 13, 2026”

So what the deal was signed? I don’t see any news the MOU was signed.

This is what happens when you wake up and look at news feeds in the middle of the night. Why am I not surprised?

why
why
2 days ago
Reply to  why

‘The international trade corridor remains open for transit.”

This one statement is odd, and yet I can’t find anything about an MOU being signed or the fact that the Hormuz was fully opened.

This is extremely odd, and suggests that either Trump fully walked away or Trump is forcing the issue that a toll system will not be placed within the Hormuz.

Sentient
Sentient
2 days ago
Reply to  why

I guess we could look at satellite images if they weren’t still being censored.

Jojo
Jojo
1 day ago
Reply to  why

The MOU is scheduled to be signed on Sunday currently.

Eric
Eric
2 days ago

Trump seems increasingly aware that the oil market is nearing a tipping point. His only option is to try to influence prices, and for now, the strategy “appears” to be working. 

Art Last
Art Last
2 days ago

NO. Trump, the neocons, israeli khazars are all vengeful, irrational psychopaths. Yes, these epstein globalists left Vietnam and Afghanistan because there was nothing to lose there. Leaving the Straits of Hormuz equates to relinquishing CONTROL OF OIL therefore abdication of super power status. No one will obey the epstein class fully after such self-imposed demotion.
What’s next is a coordinated surprise attack by israel and the US fully backed by saudi arabia and all the other gulf states PLUS azerbaijan and turkey — the latter two host israeli and US military with sophisticated SIGINT capabilities. The NATO/US radar installation in turkey was the primary source of intelligence relied on by the israelis in order to thwart Iranian rocket attacks.
I am firmly opposed to radical islam (an oxymoron actually) and disdain Iranians for having proselytized from their original Zoroastrian religion to the islam of the conquering arab savages. Yet Trump and his ashkeNAZI buds succeeded in making the IRGC look like heros.
In short, WAR. We haven’t seen nothing yet. Nukes will be used before this is over. What, otherwise? The implosion of the illegal dollar (according to Article 1, Section 10 of the US Constitution) and the ponzi US stock market with tech companies with P/Es in the hundreds based on fraudulent circular-investment-generated revenues bolstered by Special Purpose Vehicles to hide accounting fraud. The ruling class psychopaths need someone to blame for that.
War, death, destruction, lies. In ever HIGHER amounts is their only “off-ramp” to hell. The Frankists LOVE that. Their religion exhorts committing evil deeds and inflicting suffering as the ultimate virtue.
But YOU voted for them (Democrats=”zionists”=Frankists=Republicans) so enjoy the consequences.

Last edited 2 days ago by Art Last
JohnF
JohnF
2 days ago
Reply to  Art Last

Yes, Both Parties Are Two Wings of the Same Bird – Headed By The CIA/Mossad “Epstein’ Island PDF ‘Club’ Member’s.!

Christoball
Christoball
2 days ago

Ring around the rosie, a pocket full of posie, ash to ashes we alll fall down… we all fall down…. we all fall down

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
2 days ago
Reply to  Christoball

Original and correct lyrics:

Ring-a-ring o’ roses,
A pocket full of posies.
A tishoo! A tishoo!
We all fall down.

Last edited 2 days ago by Joe Penny
John Overington
John Overington
2 days ago
Reply to  Christoball

Check the origin before you post. Relevance?

Ebolan
Ebolan
2 days ago

US voters never wanted war in the first place.

US voters don’t want a lot of things but get them crammed down their throat anyway. Moloch Bone Spurs Trumpenstein even said he doesn’t care what the American people want and he said he likes “the inflation.”

And Bone Spurs is not happy with the American people. He said the American people “don’t have the stomach to take Kharg Isand.” Of course Trumpenstein didn’t have the stomach to go to Vietnam but he had the bone spurs to avoid being drafted, supposedly. Real hero, old Trumpenstein.

Jojo
Jojo
2 days ago
Reply to  Ebolan

That’s what happens when you have a Representative form of government.

the vast majority of people are too small minded (plenty here) to see the big picture. All they want is to have a steady job that will pay for their cable subscription, a couple of weeks of vacation a year, the SO happy, plenty of alcohol and a bag of weed.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

You forgot the all you can eat buffet.

Jojo
Jojo
2 days ago

Since the 1979 Iranian Islamic revolution, the country’s biggest problem has been its two-headed power structure. You have the regular political government on one side, and the hardline IRGC military wing on the other constantly fighting for control.

Trump has been trying to hash out a deal with the politicians. But there is no guarantee those politicians can actually control their own military. When a rogue military wing has as much power as the IRGC, politicians trying to rein them in can trigger internal power struggles that lead to a military coup.

We are seeing that sabotage play out right now. The IRGC in the last few hours fired a wave of attack drones at commercial ships in the Strait of Hormuz, clearly trying to blow up the peace talks. CENTCOM confirmed they shot down every single drone, but they haven’t announced how they’re going to punch back yet.

It’s not Israel/Netanyahu that is trying to sabotage the deal, it is the IRGC driven by their fervent religious beliefs.

cambeiu
cambeiu
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

The IRGC is now in charge and we can all thank Trump for that.

Jon
Jon
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Radical Islamists in the IRGC want war just like radical Jews in Israel want war. The common denominator is believing that some invisible guy in the sky has your back. All religionists who fear reality without a cozy, made-up god-blanket should be banned from any sort of political power.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 days ago
Reply to  Jon

The last time Iran launched a war of aggression was in the 1700s, when it still was Persia.

If the Evil IRGC wanted a war, they had since 1979 and have not launched one.

steve
steve
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

CORRECT. Amazing how many folks fail to comprehend this.

Bill
Bill
2 days ago

There are lots of MAGA voters that look at this like a total waste of time, resources, political capital and a worse outcome than had nothing been done. I know of 3 (out of 3). My contention is that the US and Russia have proven they are NOT superpowers other than nuclear capabilities although we are more capable of knocking down air defenses and intelligence gathering–but without an agreed-upon political goal of any aggression there’s no political will to do what is necessary and the use of more destructive weapons/theater-type nukes, etc is out of the question. Thus I want the military budget slashed since clearly they can’t control 21 miles of water, that’s 50 billion per mile per year. They can go back to telling us they are a superpower on a far smaller budget.

To your last question I believe the market will rally yet again because that’s the direction it has been going at every mention of peace. The algos will run with it. Humorously(?) the market has signifiantly advanced already since the “skirmish” began. Never seen a more sanguine market but it’s been that way for 17 years save for the pandemic, a bit in 2018 and the tariff two-week tantrum (another all-for-manipulation move).

Jon
Jon
2 days ago
Reply to  Bill

Today’s market is the result of decades of federal policy changes. Massive tax cuts on corporations and the wealthy make speculating in markets more profitable than investment in the economy, the development of 401ks put a floor under the market with a constant buy signal, Allowing corporate stock buybacks keeps CEOs meeting shareholder demands instead of building risky factories, tax cuts also lead to massive federal deficits with money flowing to the shareholder class first. Not to mention tons of tax changes which enhance speculative behavior. Those in the top 1% control the vast majority of shares along with the government and the media. No way that a long-term decline in the market will be allowed. I realized all of this way later than I wish I had. But once I figured it out, I’ve made more money than I ever imagined.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
2 days ago

Insider editor Michael Weiss cautioned that any Iran deal President Donald Trump signs based on leaked details would constitute a “major humiliation” for the president.
According to Iran’s Mehr News Agency, the proposed agreement grants Iran $300 billion in reconstruction money and $24 billion in cash — half before negotiations begin — while addressing only a ceasefire extension with no substantive progress on missile programs, financing, or terrorist proxy support.
Weiss described the deal as merely an agreement to keep talking, not an actual resolution. He suggested Trump has developed buyer’s remorse, realizing he was duped into the whole endeavor after regime-change plans collapsed. 

Jojo
Jojo
2 days ago

be assured that Iran isn’t getting any reconstruction money. They need to PAY for the damage they did to US bases and infrastructure of other gulf states. They can do this with future oil money.

Stop listening to Iranian propaganda! Sheese.

Jon
Jon
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Let’s watch what really happens before making broad statements.

Jojo
Jojo
1 day ago
Reply to  Jon

Agreed. So why are there so many here wishin’ and hopin’ that the Iranian Regime propaganda they believe turns out to be true?

rk syrus
rk syrus
2 days ago

We like to think a deal means…,uh, something. Here’s the issue, get a tissue:

a. how many complex armistices have been finalized where the 2 sides do not meet in the same room (Pakistan, the bin Laden saferoom) is the go-between.

b. Iran is poised to choke the Straight and blow up circumvention pipelines at a moments notice. It’s Iranian MISSILES not nukes that freak Israel out and nothing in any proposed MOU reduces those.

c. Money is nice but Sanctions are key to Iran’s future, can USA lift those?

This deal is a pooch’s breakfast ready to be regurgitated. Proverbs 26:11 (NIV): “As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly.”

Quatloo
Quatloo
2 days ago

Weeks ago I said two things about any deal Iran would be willing to sign:

First, Iran will continue to charge ships that pass through the strait ‘environmental fees’ rather than a ‘toll’, but in the same amount. That amount appears to be $1/barrel.Iran will never give the US its enriched uranium.

Second, they have every intention of re-starting enrichment if the US defaults on its obligations, which is a virtual certainty given the US track record of abiding by its international agreements.

Last edited 2 days ago by Quatloo
Ebolan
Ebolan
2 days ago

Bibi will never allow this and Bibi calls the shots. After all, this is the United States of Israel, Epstein Empire. And you are in the Age of Epstein

Uwe Ohse
Uwe Ohse
2 days ago
Reply to  Ebolan

Really? Blackmail works up to some point – but as soon as the pain threshold is reached, it stops working.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 days ago
Reply to  Uwe Ohse

Well, Trump is demonstrating less independence than Bibi Netanyahu’s dog.

Quatloo
Quatloo
1 day ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

Aren’t they one and the same?

JeffD
JeffD
2 days ago

“Israel will attempt to wreck this”

More specifically, Netanyahu and his flunkies. 100% certainty.

MMchenry
MMchenry
2 days ago

Trump’s initial estimation that iran will completely fold is as friggin wrong, arrogant, and stupid as they come.
Total lying dumbass.

Jojo
Jojo
2 days ago
Reply to  MMchenry

They are folding by being forced to accept ALL of Trump’s terms and getting nothing back in return until/if they do as promised.

Suggested getting your eyes checked MMchenry.

Jon
Jon
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Assuming Trump’s terms are:

  1. Iran controls the SOH and charges tolls.
  2. Iran gets its money returned.
  3. All sanctions are dropped on Iran.
  4. The USA pays them reparations.
  5. A return to the JCPOA.

Trump is a genius! LOL!

whirlaway
whirlaway
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

You realize that the “until” and the “if” there are not only not interchangeable but mean diametrically opposite things?!

What a stupid Trumpster clown you are! Sheesh!

Quatloo
Quatloo
1 day ago
Reply to  Jojo

That’s like the guy who brags about how he used his face to beat the hell out of the other guy’s fist

Leslie
Leslie
1 day ago
Reply to  Jojo

Trump is out here popping champagne over a brand new Iran “deal”…
…centered on Iran’s sacred promise that they will NEVER obtain a nuclear weapon.
Sound familiar?
That exact same promise was in the very first paragraph of Obama’s 2015 nuclear deal.
Let that sink in.
Obama makes the deal → Trump rips it up, slaps on “maximum pressure,” starts a war, costs lives and billions…
…only to crawl back and celebrate the exact same core commitment like it’s some historic genius move.
Same promise. Different body count.
History is laughing.

Jojo
Jojo
1 day ago
Reply to  Leslie

The world is laughing at your uninformed post.

Pedro
Pedro
2 days ago

As soon as the oil cliff moves back out, Trump will start acting like a militant toddler again. Right now his balls are against the wall and he’s just buying time. Both sides are, there is no achievable long term solution in any of what they are talking about with this MOU bullshit. They’re trying to dance around the fact that both want the strait open temporarily, all the other issues have too many strategic considerations/interests involved to solve this in 60days.

But I’m sure that alot of morons will buy the happily spun story

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 days ago
Reply to  Pedro

Whether they sign an MOU now or later hardly matters any longer. Iran has won control of the strait and oil flows will remain below normal for the foreseeable future. Inventories will draw down to tank bottoms even if the strait is opened temporarily, as you suggest. Shortages are inevitable.

Quatloo
Quatloo
2 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Papa, what investments do you expect to get into if a deal gets done? More oil stocks?

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

My investments do not depend on a deal being made. Though I expect if/when a deal is made, that oil prices will drop. At that point I will increase my oil stock allocation and reduce my cash.

My market portfolio is currently 45% cash, 55% stocks. The majority of the stocks are Canadian oils, with some US oil stocks.

I trade a good portion of my cash position each day.

I am still expecting a price spike due to product shortages that are inevitable in the next few months. At which point I will likely sell most of my stocks and raise the cash position to 70-80%. At that point I will wait for the inevitable price drop that occurs after demand destruction.

Long run, I am still bullish oil stocks.

I still dabble in other areas like tech because of the volatility. I participated in the SPCX IPO today, even though I don’t think it will be a great long term investment. But it should be great for trading.

Quatloo
Quatloo
1 day ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Thanks, always opportunity in a volatile market

Alan Boisvert
Alan Boisvert
2 days ago

When I was growing up everyone wore buttons that said “I like Ike.” The number one job of the President is foreign policy. So we elect a real estate, TV star, narcissists to Ikes’ job. I blame the parties. Their job is to give us the proper candidates. They haven’t done their job in a long time.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
2 days ago
Reply to  Alan Boisvert

It’s a failed system. A joke, it’s our democracy as the left likes to coo.

Creamer
Creamer
2 days ago

I’ll believe this “scoop” (of something alright) when the ink is fully dry, the paper is hanging in a museum, and the text has been carved six inches deep into a solid granite slab. Anything less is another buy the news hullabaloo event generated solely by king chicken.

peelo
peelo
2 days ago

Welcome to Potemkin Village, jointly sponsored by the PR wings of Iran and the USA. Step right up, I have some virtual assets I would like to sell you, starting with a bridge to the sky.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 days ago
Reply to  peelo

Iran? Israel.

Jon chris
Jon chris
2 days ago

Press X for doubt

peelo
peelo
2 days ago

I don’t know about the Iranians one way or the other. I’m willing to presume they are as grasping and self-interested and devious as anyone.
But there are two persons in this whole panorama who I KNOW, based on repeat direct observation, don’t keep their word. And I wouldn’t buy a used car from either of them, much less sign an international agreement with them.

Jojo
Jojo
2 days ago
Reply to  peelo

Then let the bombing commence!

Jojo
Jojo
2 days ago

Whew. Get serious Mish! What an embarrassing post.

The Iranian Regime gives up all its nuclear weapons ambitions, not for 5 years or 10 years but forever. Their enriched uranium stockpile will be removed. They will SUBMIT to IAEA monitoring.The Iranian Regime stops funding terrorism in the ME, leaving Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis hung out to dry.The Strait is OPENED and there will not be any fees collected by the Iranian Regime.They will not get any of their money returned until some future time AFTER they have proven that they will follow the agreement.Sanctions will only be reduced again, based on their performance in meeting and hewing to the agreementTrump wins any way you look at it.

LARRY KUDLOW: No Money for Iran, Unless Tehran Changes Behavior and Meets Clear Performance Metrics

White House sources report an 80 percent to 85 percent chance of completing what they are calling the Islamabad memorandum of understanding.

June 12, 2026

As I’ve said so many times, President Trump is not going to make a bad deal with Iran.

And what we are learning from White House sources is an 80 percent to 85 percent chance of what they are calling the Islamabad memorandum of understanding. It could be completed in the next few days, maybe this weekend.

All of Mr. Trump’s red lines are included in this MoU. And importantly, the entire deal is premised on Iran changing its behavior in verifiable ways that meet clear performance benchmarks.  

The key points of this MoU begin with a plank that would prevent Iran from ever getting a nuclear weapon. That includes removal and destruction of already-enriched uranium.

It also includes a number of technical details where inspectors from the United Nations’ International Atomic Energy Administration and American personnel will be involved in the process of destroying, removing, and verifying the end of Iran’s enriched material.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/larry-kudlow-no-money-iran-unless-tehran-changes-behavior-meets-clear-performance-metrics

Last edited 2 days ago by Jojo
peelo
peelo
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Oh, sure, right, that’ll all definitely happen.

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

No wonder you are such a dumb fuck.
You probably listen to all the Fox News idiots and eagerly eat up all the shit they shovel.

Jojo
Jojo
2 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Better than listening to you Gramps. You are close to expiring. Have you looked into hospice?

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Lol! That’s your best response?

If you don’t like reading what I write then block me. Because I’m not going to stop pointing out what a dumb fuck you are for always parroting the cult talking points.

Alternatively, you could start posting something of actual value instead of the useless garbage you normally post.

Jojo
Jojo
2 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

The garbage is what you post here.

Sue Ellen
Sue Ellen
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Sweet jojo, bless your little heart but don’t you realize you’re the class dunce here at Mishtalk?

Last edited 2 days ago by Sue Ellen
Limey
Limey
2 days ago
Reply to  Sue Ellen

If only he/she/it were intelligent enough to be a dunce, sadly i think we are still someway off.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
1 day ago
Reply to  Sue Ellen

Hang on! He makes some statements of fact that you can question. If all you can do is the usual childish name-calling and pretentions psychological opinions, you’re the dunce, not him. I get that all the time, and I quote less in the way of facts than he does, because I get my news and opinions from Mish and Zerohedge, not independently.

If you can bring up some facts, good. Otherwise, I’ll prefer the opinions of someone who seems to have some idea what he is talking about.

Fubar111111
Fubar111111
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

The garbage here are the human garbage: you

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

President Donald Trump won’t attend the signing of his own Iran peace deal — the White House has a UFC fight scheduled for the same weekend.

Last edited 2 days ago by I’m back robbyrob
Jojo
Jojo
2 days ago

The Iranian Regime has said they will sign remotely. 🤣

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Yep. That’s what Iran says. Yet Trump still says he will send Vance to Europe for the signing ceremony so he can attend the UFC event. Maybe you should clue him in that Iran has no intention to attend his signing ceremony.

Mick
Mick
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

I am upvoting because this is the first post I’ve seen of yours that appears verifiable and not full of B.S.

Mick
Mick
2 days ago

Hell, who will sign in person? I’ve seen something about Vance going to Geneva to sign documents, but why bother? Iran would be crazy to send someone to Europe. Think Iran will use Docusign? LOL.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Your AM radio education is showing.

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
2 days ago

OMG…that’s funny as hell….I have an older neighbor whose entire world view is regurgitating AM radio slop

My world view is shaped by the slop posted here

Jojo
Jojo
1 day ago
Reply to  Joe Penny

There certainly is a lot of echo-chamber, pro-Iranian Regime slop here!

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

now to the details has further quotes from Araighchi’s TV address. Worth reading in full but will copy a couple below [Google translate from Farsi]
1.Araqchi: Two stages are foreseen in the negotiations; first, a memorandum of understanding, and then the start of negotiations.
🔹The nuclear issue and lifting of sanctions on Iran have been postponed to the second stage, and 60 days of negotiation time have been foreseen for these issues.
2.Araqchi: I must say frankly that this agreement has enemies, led by the Zionist regime, who are trying to disrupt it.
3.Araqchi: The discussion on lifting the naval blockade and the Strait of Hormuz is raised in this memorandum. [BP: unclear how to parse this, wish I could read the original in Farsi]
4. Araqchi: According to international law, it is not possible to collect tolls from the Strait of Hormuz, but service fees will be collected and this will be established in the negotiations.
5. Araqchi: How many situations will occur in the 60-day negotiations?
🔸1. Extending the negotiation deadline if negotiations are progressing well.
🔸2. Failure to reach an agreement due to the futility of negotiation.
6. Araqchi: The understanding, if finalized, will be signed digitally and remotely and then announced
7. Araghchi: In the second phase of negotiations, the issue of lifting sanctions, enrichment, determining the allocation of enriched material stocks, and the mechanism of the Iran Reconstruction Fund will be discussed.
🔹In our opinion, the only way to check enriched material is to dilute it inside Iran.
8. Araqchi: The nature of the other side is reneging on its promises and we should expect significant problems in implementation

🔹We are not faced with beings who are completely committed to understanding, and it is we who must close the doors to non-compliance.
https://t.me/s/Farsna

Jojo
Jojo
2 days ago

Pure Iranian Regime propaganda for their domestic IRGC audience! They appreciate you spreading it to the free world.

The majority of the Iranian population don’t give a crap other than they want to return to their meager, hardscrabble life where they don’t have to worry about getting bombed.

Mick
Mick
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

No, what he posted appears to be an official Iranian position on reaching an agreement. You can disagree and think they’re crazy, evil or whatever but Iran has been remarkably consistent on key aspects to ending the war. It is the U.S./DJT is that is all over the map day-to-day.

Uwe Ohse
Uwe Ohse
2 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

You wrote that on February 27, 2026, right?

Peace
Peace
2 days ago

Major defeat for TACO.
Major’s major defeat for BB.

But remember?: this is the most dangerous time.

njbr
njbr
2 days ago

Color me cynical

Do you think Trump (actually Vance) is signing this to relieve pressure without really committing to the agreement

I picture attacks on Iran in 2 weeks

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 days ago
Reply to  njbr

Attacks with what? Don’t you realize we used up 3-4 years of missile production and have very little left to throw at Iran. It will take years to replenish what we just wasted in a losing effort. Our bases in the region were obliterated and the countries there don’t want us to rebuild and use them again for fear of more attacks on their infrastructure.

I’m still waiting to see if the rumours are true that Iran wiped out multiple F-35s in a hangar at one of our bases in the region, because we ran out of missiles to defend it.

Last edited 2 days ago by PapaDave
Art
Art
2 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Plus, Trump has shown we are paper tigers. We will see if China takes advantage of this weakness

JohnF
JohnF
2 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Do You Think The Zionist’s Are Going To Quit.!

Twenty Five Years of a War of Aggression (Bush/Cheney Crime Team’s ‘War of Terror’ 2001 – Ongoing) For ‘Greater Israel’.!

Million’s Dead – Million’s Injured – Million’s Displaced– Created Worldwide Immigrant Crisis.!

Operation ‘Epstein’ Island PDF Fury For ‘Greater Israel’

– (‘Finishing Off – Iran’) Gen W. Clark 2001 (+ Gaza Genocide) Come To Far Too Quit Now – Going All In.!

US Troops Told ‘Iran’ War Is ‘Armageddon’ – Return of Jesus.! (Post-Apocalyptic Event)

They Plan On Using ‘Nukes’.!

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago
Reply to  JohnF

“Do You Think The Zionist’s Are Going To Quit.!”

Nope. They will continue as before. What do you want me to do about it?

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
1 day ago
Reply to  PapaDave

If that’s true, maybe you should stop the aggression against Russia in the Ukraine.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
1 day ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

Zelensky is said to be Jewish. I guest dead Ukrainians and dead Russians are all net gains to him.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 day ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

LOL! Me? I haven’t personally fired a single shot in the Russia/Ukraine war. Nor do I have the ability to stop that war.

Maybe you should head over there and stop things yourself if you think it is so easy.

LM2020
LM2020
2 days ago

Trump is 100% the biggest loser this country has ever produced. Sad!

Brutus Admirer
Brutus Admirer
2 days ago
Reply to  LM2020

There actually is a lot of competition. We haven’t had a president since Reagan who wasn’t a profuse liar and a warmonger who killed great numbers of innocent people. “Democracy” at work.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 days ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

Reagan was a warmonger as well, just his ability to start wars was checked by the Soviet Union.

Maybe go back to Carter or Ford?

Mick
Mick
1 day ago
Reply to  LM2020

Bigly bonus points for using Trump’s tone of voice to roast him.

Jeff Kassel
Jeff Kassel
2 days ago

There may be a bad deal, there may not be a deal at all. Trump lies constantly, Iran lies constantly; they will definitely develop nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles now to safeguard against future attacks. Their ballistic missiles are surprisingly good. But they are weakened now and a land war to expunge the government, Republican guard and mullahs makes sense….but Trump won’t do it and Congress has intervened. So the war didn’t exactly succeed in getting nuclear material, the Gulf arabs were hit hard, Iran is pissed off with hardliners in control, and little was accomplished even though we could have gone in and destroyed their tunnels. The deal could still fall through, but Trump looks like what he is, a buffoon with no serious plan and we lost some soldiers, some aircraft and look like weaklings on the world stage.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Kassel

Iran lies? Hardly.

If you’re so eager for a land war, get your helmet and backpack and go fight, tough guy.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
2 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

Unfortunately, he has a sore foot. I’m sure he would love to serve though.

Sentient
Sentient
2 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Kassel

Name one thing Iran lied about.

Sentient
Sentient
2 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Kassel
david p
david p
2 days ago

 “It would include an Iranian commitment not to develop or procure a nuclear weapon and Tehran’s promise that it would destroy its stockpile of highly enriched uranium, the official said.”

Obviously, nobody in the administration has read the Quran, which is the regime’s Holy Book. The regime will lie to Trump with a straight face and Trump and Rubio have bought it, hook, line, and sinker. Trump shouts, “Help is on the way!” and then lets 50,000+ Iranian patriots get murdered. The only ‘winner’ here is Iran and Hezbollah and probably Hamas. For all Trump’s blathering, he’s simply kicked the can down the road for a few years, if that long, the one thing he told us he wasn’t going to do.

The Art of the Deal? Know your adversary? Trump never had a clue. What’s such a terrible shame is that Rubio is now tarnished with Trump’s stench of failure. Marco would have made a great president, but those chances are now gone. I hope when he leaves the administration, he has the guts to say he strongly disagreed with Trump on the handling of the war.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
2 days ago
Reply to  david p

Another internet expert on Islam.

Sentient
Sentient
2 days ago
Reply to  david p

Trump must have read the Quran to learn how to lie constantly.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 days ago
Reply to  david p

You’re not fooling anyone, little Marco.

pokercat
pokercat
2 days ago
Reply to  david p

Marco made a great anchor baby.

Mick
Mick
2 days ago

Israel will attempt to wreck this, but too many forces in the region want a deal and US voters never wanted war in the first place.”

My base case is that Israel will wreck this, via a false flag, by continuing siege of Gaza and/or Lebanon, or through pressure on Trump to convince him that Iran has violated the terms (probably via retribution over something Israel/U.S. instigates).

This is glossed over: what about Gaza, and what about Lebanon? Israel’s misconduct in these areas is now considered a red line by Iran. However it is stated in the media, Iran has made it clear they are not going to abandon the resistance and allow Israel to continue genocide and annexation. I don’t see Israel giving this up, and if anything Iran will enforce their expectations more strictly going forward. Israel not only has to stop bombing and stopping siege, they need to withdraw completely.

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 days ago
Reply to  Mick

Israel’s attacks on Gaza, Lebanon etc will simply give Iran the excuse to start funding their proxies again. And they will have lots of money to do so, once they start selling their full oil production and collecting tolls in the strait.

Lawrence Bird
Lawrence Bird
2 days ago

Iran is not going to give up enrichment. The best they’ll do is agree to re-mix the 60% stuff back down to reactor grade.

I also think this won’t survive even the duration of “talks” as Israel will continue its cleansing of Lebanon and Gaza.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
2 days ago

Yikes, Trump gave away the strait…

Mick
Mick
2 days ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

It was never his to give away. The Strait consists of territorial waters split between Iran and Oman, and they’ve apparently worked it out between them. U.S. naval ships will never be allowed to transit ever again.

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 days ago
Reply to  Mick

That’s okay. The countries in the gulf will close all US bases; so no need for our navy to go there again. Unless we are willing to pay the toll/fee for entry and exit.

Quatloo
Quatloo
1 day ago
Reply to  Mick

How about Iranian ships can’t enter the Gulf of America and US ships can’t enter the Persian Gulf?!

Mick
Mick
1 day ago
Reply to  Quatloo

I think Iran would be fine with that. They are selling their oil to China.

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