Olympian Calm in Ukraine Over Russia Invasion Threat vs US Hype and Panic

Heated exchange over State Department claims. Image from C-Span video clip. 

Biden Says Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Won’t Go Forward if Russia Invades Ukraine

Yesterday, president Biden said Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Won’t Go Forward if Russia Invades Ukraine

“If Russia invades, that means tanks and troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will put an end to it,” Mr. Biden said at a joint appearance with Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany after the leaders met at the White House. “I promise you, we will be able to do it.”

Struggle For a United Front

The Financial Times says US and Germany struggle to present united front on Nord Stream 2

The FT reports Chancellor Scholz repeatedly dodged questions on the fate of the pipeline and refused to even mention it by name. Instead, he offered a generic assurance that “there won’t be any measures in which we have a differing approach” and said Russia would pay a “high price” for any attack.

Any Day Now

Evidence US Won’t Share

Heated Exchange Between State Dept. & Media on Evidence Russia Fabricating Attacks by Ukraine

The US State Department claims Russia about to stage a “False Flag” incident to invade Russia.  

A US media hero asks “where’s the evidence”. 

US State Department: “One possible option the Russians are considering, and which we made public today, involves the production of a propaganda video – a video with graphic scenes of false explosions depicting corpses, crisis actors, mourners, and images of destroyed locations, entirely fabricated.”  

Reporter This is Alex Jones Territory. What evidence do you have that there is some propaganda film in the making?

Please play the video, at least the first five minutes fore the claim and the reporter’s questions.

Olympian Calm in Ukraine

Finally, please consider the WSJ article Ukraine’s Zelensky Wants to Fend Off Russia—And America, Too

With Russian military forces gathering on three sides of Ukraine last month, advisers to President Volodymyr Zelensky urged a low-key response. His top national security adviser, in a cellphone call, counseled him with two words: “Olympian calm.”

The following day, Mr. Zelensky addressed the nation on television and said the threat of war was no greater than any other time since Russian President Vladimir Putin invaded portions of the country in 2014.

This is the tack chosen by Mr. Zelensky, a 44-year-old ex-comic with no political experience prior to his election, in his bid to fend off both Russian aggression as well as the American response it has kicked off. 

Mr. Biden spoke by phone with Mr. Zelensky not long after the TV appearance to warn about the increased security threat from Russia, U.S. officials said. When Mr. Zelensky argued that the threat has been constant since 2014, Mr. Biden disagreed, the officials said. Russian troops were not far away in southern Belarus, the U.S. president noted, posing a potential game-changer.

Mr. Zelensky built a career on the Ukrainian and Russian comedy circuits. His role in a sitcom as an honest schoolteacher-turned-president propelled him to a landslide victory in the April 2019 election, where he ran as an outsider who would bring peace and uproot Ukraine’s corrupt political system.

Russia! Russia! Russia!

We’ve seen this “Boy Screams Wolf” movie before, many times: Vietnam, Syria, Iraq, Libya, and of course Russia allegedly costing Hillary the 2016 election. 

There is no reason for anyone to believe the US State Department. 

That is not the same as believing Russia. They are all a pack of liars. 

This time the US state department wants us to believe Russia is creating “a video with graphic scenes of false explosions depicting corpses, crisis actors, mourners, and images of destroyed locations, entirely fabricated.”  

Yes, this is Alex Jones territory. 

Will Russia invade? Color me more than a bit skeptical. If Putin wanted to invade, I suggest he would have done so already. But yes, it’s possible. 

Regardless, the US State Department hype is more than a bit over the top and grounds for huge skepticism in and of itself. 

Where Does Germany Stand

Circling back to the top, Germany does not appreciate US meddling either. 

As noted on January 29, 2022, The Battle for Europe Integration Has Failed and Russia Provides Proof

Germany and Russia are natural allies. Chancellor Olaf Scholz would rather the US mind its own business, and so would I. 

The US cannot solve every global problem and should not even try. History provides proof: Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya all come to mind.

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LukeHartwig
LukeHartwig
1 year ago
Gosh this looks dumb now
wmjack50
wmjack50
2 years ago
The Federal Government is the problem in the USA. They will get you killed–if you are in the military for no good reason. The military industrial complex lives off of confrontations. Think of Vietnam Afghanistan etc.  What a waste— 
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
And the US government’s list of strictly enumerated powers, still do not include neither Nord Stream nor Ukraine. Nor a standing army running around wasting productive people’s earnings on building bombcraters around the world.
prumbly
prumbly
2 years ago
The funniest part was when the State Dept/CIA guy said that the evidence that Russia is creating fake videos is him saying that Russia is creating fake videos. Who can argue with proof as strong as that?!
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Here’s where Putin’s bravado play may lead to a losing hand.  There are always unintended consequences.
————
Greece draws in the US — and edges out Russia
Greece is hosting more American troops and buying US energy, frustrating Russia.
By Nektaria Stamouli
February 9, 2022 4:29 am
ATHENS — It took several decades, but Greece has finally welcomed in the United States — at Russia’s expense.
Nearly 40 years ago, Greek people were marching in the streets against U.S. military bases in the region. Banners declared: “Out with the bases of death!” Across the nation, surveys showed most Greeks felt closer to Russia, a fellow Christian Orthodox nation that had helped the Greeks fight off Ottoman rule in 1821, than they did to the U.S.
Even in the 2000s, Greek-U.S. relations remained frosty. Athens flirted with strengthening its ties to Moscow.
That’s all changed.
In recent years, U.S.-Greece relations have grown much tighter — tighter than ever, officials on both sides proclaim. And much of that cooperation has directly affected Russia.
Greece has granted the U.S. open-ended access to four pivotal military bases, frustrating Russia. It has started receiving U.S. liquified natural gas at a port near Athens, providing an alternative to Russia. And U.S. corporate giants have been establishing Greece as a regional hub — JPMorgan Chase, Microsoft, Pfizer, Amazon, Cisco, Tesla and Deloitte have all made significant moves in the country recently.
This U.S. foothold has become increasingly important as Moscow menaces Ukraine with hoards of troops piled up at the border, pushing Washington and its allies to draw up military response plans. Those plans inevitably flow through Greece.
….
Jackula
Jackula
2 years ago

What the leadership of Europe must think of our recent presidents. I voted third party last pres election because Joe has been a long time chicken hawk war hawk and drug war warrior. He so far is almost as bad as Trump. He fired everybody in his cabinet that was honest about weed use in the past. He is a hypocrite. If he was a good president he would be honest about the origins of Covid, he would slap a pandemic profiteering tax on companies that made out like bandits during the pandemic aka Truman, he would legalize weed at the Fed level, and he would put a stop to all of the tech censorship. Instead his administration’s covering up data the origins of Covid and problems with the Covid vaccines has dropped trust in the gov to a new low. And his vaccine mandates are a new low. The guy is a big pharma, military industrial complex schill who does what his corporate donor masters tell him to do.

TheBigRoastBeefFrog
TheBigRoastBeefFrog
2 years ago
Germany ist seriously running out of Natural Gas. Since we shut down three large nuclear power plants and even more coal planst Last year, the gas plants have been firing on all cylinders. Furthermore we have had low Wind  and Solar Output. At our actual consumption rate we will have emptied our reserves by beginning march. The answer from our new government: more Wind more solar more gas powerplants. Restict natural Gas from russia and tax solar modules from China. 
Pure Madness. They haven’t got the foggiest Idea of what they are doing. Engineers have been warning about this for years. Nobody ist listening. They prefer to listen to a philosopher and activists with no technical background
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Here’s an article you may find interesting:
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Why Do NATO States Commit Energy Hari Kari?
F. William Engdahl
12 January 2022
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This comment never got cleared through the spam filter even after I sent an email to Mish so attempting to post it where you will have to reassemble the URL yourselves.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
So something in the URL to the above article is kicking off the spam trap.  
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
w3 dot williamengdahl dot com slash englishNEO12Jan2022 dot php
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
When I changed the world wide web abbreviation in the above URL to W3 instead of a string of 3 w’s, I managed to get the URL posted.  This is clearly a bug in the scanning rules engine. 
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Those inclined to believe that there are Russians on Ukraine’s border massed for an attack, should ask themselves some questions that journalists (propagandists) never will.
  • How many Russian troops are normally stationed within 150km of the border? (it’s a huge area, incorporating major sections of the most populous Russian territory and the Central, Western, and Southern military districts (3 of five).
  • How many Russian troops would there normally be within 400km of the border? The journos say there are 175,000. Moscow is 450km.
  • Why do we keep seeing satellite photos of vehicles parked next to barracks that were erected decades ago?
  • Is there any actual intelligence? Where?
  • Why are Ukrainian defense ministers claiming there are no troops across the border in combat configurations?
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Yes, and where would they be otherwise, if not near Ukraine’s borders?
Out in Siberia? Do you think they can keep 800,000 enlisted troops without having a large portion in the most populous regions, hence somewhere in the neighbourhood of the Ukraine (which literally means border area)?
By the way, some of those units are on exercises, of which the last 10 years have seen many, with significant movement of troops before & after.
We want actual numbers of the disposition of all those brigades beforehand as compared to now, not satellite pictures of barracks that have been around for ages.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
What you want is a timeline of troop movements from the begining which would take a lot of time to compile. I do not have the time to do that and I am not here to convince you. Every government in Europe has taken notice of the Russian troop movements and they see it as a menace to the Ukraine. You say the movements are not out of the ordinary but all the Nato members and the Ukraine say they are not. Sorry but I believe them more than you.
Jmurr
Jmurr
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
It does seem to mainly be warmonger propaganda. Putin had a chance to annex the Donbas in 2014 and refused.  What does Russia gain by invading Ukraine. It’s a basket case. 
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
This is all just an intel community PsyOp
threat of war was no greater than any other time since Russian President Vladimir Putin invaded portions of the country in 2014
Factual error. No Russian military unit has been seen on Ukrainian territory.
  • Do you think they could escape detection in this age of ubiquitous smart phone cameras?
  • Russia was allowed 25,000 troops in Crimea by treaty (until 2042). At no time was 20,000 exceeded. So, no troops moved in.
The LDNR rebellion started with barricades and rifles. They may have been helped by supplies and volunteers, but no serious claim of Russian involvement survives scrutiny, and Russia did not recognize their Referendum which called out for becoming oblasts of the Russian Federation.
The current hysteria about invasion is nothing new … it’s been going for years.
2014-07-30 Russia Has 15,000 Crack Troops on the Ukrainian Border – And Putin’s itching for a fight (Foreign Policy)
2015-03-19 Russia Expands Military Exercises To 80,000 Troops (Defense News)
2016-09-01 Russia is massing thousands of troops on Ukraine’s border. Here’s why we shouldn’t panic (Vox)
2017-09-13 What’s Putin up to? The Russian military buildup in Europe raises tension (Military Times)
2018-12-15 Ukraine Asserts Major Russian Military Buildup on Eastern Border (New York Times)
2019-06-12 EXCLUSIVE: US Intelligence Officials and Satellite Photos Detail Russian Military Buildup on Crimea (Defense One)
2020-07-17 Russia orders ‘surprise’ military drill in Caspian, Black seas (UPI)
2021-04-02 Russian ‘troop build-up’ near Ukraine alarms Nato (BBC)
2022-01-27 How Russia Has Increased Its Military Buildup Around Ukraine (New York Times)
If Russia wanted the Ukraine, it could annex it in 3 days with minimum casualties. It would already have done.
  • Russia could decapitate the Ukrainian military command with stand-off weapons.
  • There is nobody to fight in the Ukraine. Half of those 18-29 have already left. Millions have gone to Russia or Poland.
  • 18-29 year olds are least willing to fight (according to polls: only minorities can be found even willing to protest in strikes or demonstrations in any area.
The MSM are obscuring what this is about. Russia does not care about the Ukraine.
It may be helpful for people to listen to what Xi or Putin are actually saying instead of psycho-analyzing.
Russia just doesn’t want forward-based American troops, strike weapons, and nuclear capable bomber runs on it’s border.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
“The MSM are obscuring what this is about.”
Isn’t that called misinformation?
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Adding Internet General to your list of kooky kredentials? Congrats!
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

Perhaps we should fill in the back story a bit. In December 2021 Russia
sent to the US and Nato a list of demands in order to improve relations between
Russia and the West. The Demands were:

  1) The Ukraine would never be a member of Nato

 2) Nato remove any troops or weapons deployed to countries that
entered the alliance after 1997,
which would include much of eastern including Poland, the former Soviet
countries of Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, and the Balkan countries

 3) Russia has also demanded that Nato rule out further expansion and
that it does not hold drills without previous agreement in the Ukraine, Eastern
Europe, in Caucasus countries such as Georgia or in Central Asia.

4) The US would withdraw all nuclear weapons from Europe.

 Needless to say that these demands are unacceptable on all levels and were
made to be rejected because it would mean a complete dismantlement of NATO and
the subservience of Europe to Russia.

 Secondly we have Vladimir Putin himself published a long article on July
12, 2021 in which he justified to himself that the Ukraine is not separate from
Russia and that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only
in partnership with Russia. 

 In his words:   link to en.kremlin.ru

 Now we have Russia amassing 120,000 troops in circle around the Ukraine.
What is one to think? From what he says and does one can conclude that he wants
war or the fruits of war without war if possible but in any case he wants the
Ukraine. That is pretty evident and the problem for us is pretty clear too. Do
we resist or not and if we do then what type of resistance can we and should we
do? If we don’t resist then Nato becomes an empty alliance and some here would
love that. If we resist then we have a wide range of ways to resist that go to
direct intervention (unlikely because unnecessary) to arming the Ukrainians
enough to make a Russian invasion too bloody, expensive and uncertain for
Russia to manage. For the moment that is what we are doing. We will see if
Putin goes further.  

Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Demand are cheap.
How many demands did Trump place on China?
Neither Tariffs nor sanctions had any impact.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish

“Demands are
cheap and tariffs” makes no sense in this area and the demands Trump made were negotiating points
and they were negotiated. Putin’s demands were made to be rejected because
giving into to them would have meant giving back to Russia all the countries
they had dominated under the old USSR and who had joined Nato for protection
specifically to avoid being dominated by Russia again.  It would mean a renunciation
of Nato’s core principles and that is non-negotiable. Putin knows this and
still made those demands knowing fully well that we cannot comply with them in
any way. Yes the situation sucks and nobody is happy with it but it is there
before us. We tried hiding in the 1930’s. It didn’t work.

Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
What didn’t work in the 1930?
In the aftermath of WW1, a cordon sanitaire was set up around the USSR (which aggressively supported fifth columns in other countries) : a string of small states as a buffer between USSR and western European empires. The tragedy was that Germany wasn’t part of the deal, and was cast as defeated country. It had every incentive to destroy the existing system. 
Russia in 1990, then USSR, trusted in a similar system which was not honoured, and the rest is where we are today.
Misinterpreting history to suit your narrative is where it all begins.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
I was refering to the US isolationism in the 1930’s. The US wasn’t even in the League of Nations. Then Nazi Germany wanted to redraw the frontier lines in Europe.  Withdrawing from the world and expect the world will leave you alone didn’t work then and it won’t work now. Perhaps we had a possibility with Russia in the 1990’s but when it became clear that the old KGB had reestablished control through Putin then that is when the eastern countries wanted to join Nato. Some things never change. 
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
 “Withdrawing from the world and expect the world will leave you alone didn’t work then and it won’t work now.”
It worked well for Switzerland.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Small countries can’t withdraw. What they do is work with the block that is most powerful whether it be Nazi Germany or the US. They also keep their heads down and hedge their bets. 
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Well, Germany was cast as the only aggressor when everybody (starting with elites) in Europe was spoiling for war, until they have proven to be complete failures when the war didn’t end by Christmas.
This, reparations plus the loss of territory didn’t sit well across the society in Germany.
The US didn’t care since it was safely behind the ocean, hence isolationism.
The old KGB as you call it, reestablished itself ONLY because the 1990 were such a complete disaster for Russia.
The Eastern European countries didn’t beg for admittance to NATO, but were actively recruited and pushed by Washington, and there was nothing altruistic about it. It was all self-serving, and for expanding the empire by other means.
You’re right, some things never change.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
The 1990’s were chaotic for Russia for many reasons and the KGB (call it the FSB if you like, it’s still the same animal) was able to come out on top rather quickly. The Eastern European countries justifiably worried jumped at the chance to join Nato. After the FSB got in power it was easy to see what was going to happen. I say again. None of Russia’s neighbors want them back in their countries and that should tell you something about how Russia is trusted. Expanding a defensive alliance was not altruistic, it is self-defense. The bigger your team is the more resources and the better you can defend. 
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
You repeat the same so long that you will believe it: none of Russia’s neighbors want them back in their countries and so does Russia.
Finland lived alongside Russia for half a century, and was still better off than Mexico alongside USA.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Sweden and Finland have been moving closer to Nato the last couple years and are seriously thinking of asking to become members. They are doing this because they do not trust Russia’s intentions. Their military relations with Nato have tightened and a majority of Finland’s MPs think the threat from Russia has increased.  link to yle.fi  
Finland and Russia did live along side peacefully for 50 years with the Soviet union but that was then and not now. 
Look, Nato is not going to invade Russia nor send troops to the Ukraine so if Russia doesn’t invade the Ukraine then everything is good. If something happens it will be Russia invading and not us and all the European nations will react to that.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Ukraine is a pipsqueak country. What Ukraine should have done was to align more closely with China by joining their Belt and Road Initiative.  That would have probably kept Russia at bay unless Putin made a deal with Xi to trade some eastern Russia lands fro Ukraine.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“Now we have Russia amassing 120,000 troops in circle around the Ukraine.
What is one to think?”
That the U.S. should have kept its word to Gorbechev,  to not move NATO one step east. Maybe it would also have been a good idea not to have meddled in the 1996 Russian election on behalf of Yeltsin. And just what is the truth as to who actually was behind the overthrow of Yanukovich, which lead to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the Donbass conflict?
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
You mean we should have kept the USSR’s eastern client states warm for them until Russia got back on their feet and then give them back so Russia could continue to dominate them as before? That would have been really nice of us. It was never going to happen and Gorbechev knew it. Russian sources say that promise was made but Western sources say that promise was never made. The real question to ask is why Russia is so unpopular with the countries of Eastern Europe.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“You mean we should have kept the USSR’s eastern client states warm for
them until Russia got back on their feet and then give them back so
Russia could continue to dominate them as before?”
No. I mean the U.S. should have kept it’s word to Gorbechev, so that the situation wouldn’t be what it is now. It wasn’t Putin who overthrew Yanukovich to annex Ukraine back into Russia. Putin had no need to annex Crimea, until Yanukovich was overthrown.
Baker did assure Gorbechev, it was just not put in writing.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
You have the right to think that if Nato hadn’t expanded protection to the former eastern European possessions of Russia then all would have been well. Myself I have my doubts if that would have changed Russia’s behavior much. We don’t know what would have happened if such and such had or had not happened. In any case Putin uses that as a justification to do what he wants to do. If that hadn’t happened he would have found something else. Anyway that’s water under the bridge and doesn’t change what is going on now.
Billy
Billy
2 years ago
I can’t wait for the next press conference with Joe Biden. I’m certain Joe will be transparent during the Q&A.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Billy
Joe will be lucky to know what state he’s in.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Nothing was ever going to happen until after the Olympics. Everything going on up until now is just sabre rattling.
My personal guess is that nothing at all ever happens even after the Olympics.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
This just in: Biden to bomb Nordstream 2 preemptively  to prevent war with Russia.
#sarcasm.
thimk
thimk
2 years ago
Been following an Utube v logger American  expat who has bought property in Kiev recently . He also appeared on  RT.  He has done boots on the ground reporting in Ukraine for some time now. The depiction  he presents  of the situation is one  nonchalant  and business as usual . And    he also blames  the USA for  over  hyping the matter.  As far as Russia goes, we should of had them in our court years ago but the MSM media is intent to vilify them as is Hollywood .
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  thimk
Well they do have thousands of nukes pointed at us, so there’s that…
Dutoit
Dutoit
2 years ago
Don’t forget that Russians can even attack innocent american citizens in their home
Cansip
Cansip
2 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Are you nuts ? How do you know it is Russians and it is Putin ?
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
FAQ
1. Are these true news and stories?
No, everything you can read here is satire and therefore all made-up. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
GO FIGURE , a senile american threatening to cut of OUR fantastic cheap gas pipeline from Russia !  A pipeline  that is not even functional btw  ‘thanks’ to a fn bunch of american warmongers (some call it Nato) !  Honestly,  I don t understand why we have to put up with your BS !  Average households in Belgium have to pay 500 Euro/ month these days to heat our homes, which is 5X normal price !  ‘Friends’ like you  are fn great aren t they ?  This ‘friendship’ should come to an end , the sooner the better !!  
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Don’t worry. You have all those windmills producing lots of elecricity to heat your home. Why are you complaining?
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
You are being cynical again, I know …. nevertheless, I ll bother to explain that in Belgium a vast mayority of people heat their homes with gas or even gasoil, simply because it used to be much cheaper than electricity….  
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I would be pissed to but its as much your governments fault or more than the U.S……….and Nuclear is cleaner, I think French building a new reactor……..but hyprocrites on both sides…………………anyone old enough to remember the No Nukes ! concert at Madison Square Garden? late 1980’s maybe..Springsteen and other over rated rockers wanted no nukes…………as they they turn there electric guitar with Marshall amps up to the max and all powered by the Indian point Nuclear Reactor in Buchanan NY!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO… 
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Most of the gas that Belgium uses comes from the Netherlands and Norway and not Russia. If Russia invades the Ukraine and the gas pipelines are cut then Germany will suffer the most and not Belgium. Are you worried that Germany will steal all your gas?
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
yes and the UK and LNG from Qatar too ….the countries you mention have become unreliable or too expensive these days, the Netherlands for example want to cut or even stop production as people’s houses are sagging and cracking  in Groningen….Russia is reliable and cheap whether you like it or not  !
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Let me ask you how have these countries right next door have become unreliable? As for price Russian gas is a bit cheaper but if you roll in the political cost it becomes much more expensive. You are one of those who trust Russia but all of Eastern Europe detests Russia and the price of Russian gas is to let Russia recuperate Eastern Europe otherwise they will cut it off. They have said that in so many words.
thimk
thimk
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Hmm Nat gas drilling causes earthquakes in Netherlands , maybe that’s why the Dutch want a new nuke plants . 
 Hell maybe they can run an extension cord over to Belgium . Anyways EU has giving a thumps up to nuke/gas as green energy sources. 
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
If you live in Brussels you will have gas. Myself I am all electric. Never did like gas in the house. Too easy for it blow up.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Houses don’ t blow up easily and electricity can be dangerous too…. I guess that living in a rural environment you won t even have piped natural gas at your disposal ….I used electricity heating in Spain too, a couple of months/ year anyway….
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
If gas comes from Russia via NS2, it gives Russia too much control over European gas. If instead, it flows from Russia through Ukraine, it doesn’t give Russia control. Should be obvious.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
KH that makes little sense. Russia can cut off the gas in Nord Stream or through Ukraine. Russia in control either way.
In contrast, Nordstream possibly lets Russia punish Ukraine without punishing Germany. Even then, perhaps the EU can change the order of flow back to the Ukraine, but would they do so if their own supplies were at risk? 
Germany seems to no give a hoot about Ukraine.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
As you know, Ukraine was siphoning off gas from the pipeline that crossed it without payment, which is called theft.
NS 2 is a brainchild of that experience, so there is no third party involved in transportation.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I was being sarcastic.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
You should thank your bureaucrats not far from where you live for railroading legislature to liberalize the gas market.
If you are unhappy with your bill, you and comrades know what to do…
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
After Afghanistan, the DoD, State Dept, and CIA need something to justify their bloated budgets and this is what they’ve come up with.

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