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What’s Putin Up to and What Would Germany Do If Russia Invaded Ukraine?

White House Warns Russian Invasion of Ukraine May Be Imminent

NBC reports White House warns Russian invasion of Ukraine may be imminent

Press secretary Jen Psaki warned that an “extremely dangerous situation” is building along the Ukrainian border where Russia is amassing troops.

The White House believes Russia could launch an invasion of Ukraine at any moment, press secretary Jen Psaki said Tuesday, warning that an “extremely dangerous situation” is building along the Ukrainian border.

“We believe we’re now at a stage where Russia could at any point launch an attack on Ukraine. I would say that’s more stark than we have been,” Psaki said during her daily press briefing.

Russia Has ‘Almost Completed’ Build-Up of Forces Near Border

CNN says Ukraine warns Russia has ‘almost completed’ build-up of forces near border

Ukraine has warned that Russia has “almost completed” its build-up of forces that could be used for an offensive against the country, compounding fears that Moscow could launch an invasion at any time.

According to the Ukrainian Defense Ministry’s latest intelligence assessment — shared exclusively Tuesday with CNN — Russia has now deployed more than 127,000 troops in the region.

“The full strength of RF AF (Russian Federation’s Armed Forces) land group at the Ukrainian direction — (is) over 106,000 personnel. Together with the sea and air component, the total number of personnel is over 127,000 servicemen,” the assessment said.

When Russia Invades

Wolfgang Münchau at Eurointelligence has an interesting column this week When Russia invades Europe Will Appease.   

he tragedy of Europe is that Germany is not standing up to Russia, and that the EU is not standing up to Germany. A Russian invasion will see many losers. I expect the EU, apart from Ukraine itself, to be one of the biggest.

When Russian invades, it will inadvertently expose Europe’s internal divisions. I say inadvertently deliberately, because I don’t think this is Vladimir Putin’s primary objective. He is concerned that colour revolutions in Russia’s periphery, as he calls them, might eventually encroach on Russian politics itself. It is absurd, of course, to argue that Nato might invade Russia. This is a Russian strawman. The threat to Russia is much more subtle, but no less real. There is not much the US can offer to alleviate Putin’s paranoia. He wants a political buffer zone, with Ukraine and Belarus definitely in that zone.

What Russia always does, which the EU almost never does, is act according to its own definition of strategic interests. What defines strategy is the willingness to pay a shot-term cost in service of a longer-term objective.

When Russia invades, Germany and other European countries might at one point run out of gas. That would depend on how energy enters into this conflict. Germany has left itself in this position because successive governments failed to develop a coherent energy policy. Three nuclear plants went offline at the beginning of 2022, as will the last three at the end of this year. With the Greens in government, I see no chance of a policy reversal. The new coalition has ambitious plans for investment in renewables, but the maths does not add up. The energy transition requires unprecedented investment in modern gas-fired power stations as an interim solution. That means Russian gas for the most part. The Greens might kick up a fuss over Nord Stream 2, but I don’t think they will have the gumption to leave the government over a pipeline, and sacrifice their investment programme for renewable energy sources. The deal is done.

When Russia invades, it will be a matter of smoke and mirrors. Russia has no interest in occupying all of Ukraine. It will never invade a Nato country, and try to occupy it. My fear is that Putin may at one point choose to close the Suwalki gap, the stretch of land along the Polish-Lithuanian border that separates the Russian province of Kalingrad from Belarus. That would give Russia direct land access to the southern Baltic Sea, and drive a wedge through the EU. The Baltic States would at this point be geographically isolated from the EU, surrounded by Russia from all sides. This is the scenario depicted in our hypothetical map above. It might also seek to extend its military control of the Black Sea, cutting through the Ukrainian lands that separate it from Transnistria, a Russian-speaking breakaway province in eastern Moldova.

When Russia invades, Germany will appease. Germany will push for minimal sanctions, and only those that don’t damage German exports. They will veto any proposal to cut Russia off from the Swift payment system, if such a proposal were ever made. Nord Stream 2 is safe because neither the EU nor the Biden administration want to upset the Germans. A Republican majority after the mid-term election this November might change the Americans’ policy, but by then the gas will have started to flow.

When Russia invades, the Europeans will huff and puff as they always do, and complain that they are not invited to various diplomatic tables. Sitting at tables is a big thing in Europe. Expect to hear a lot of side issue debates, like majority voting in the Council on foreign policy. What they will not debate is an increase in defence spending.

When Russia invades, nobody will confront it. And nobody will confront the appeasers. Snookered, as the English say, watching from the distance. It is what happens when you leave the strategic thinking to others.

One Disagreement 

I have one disagreement, but it’s a big one. I am not at all convinced Putin invades Ukraine. 

Otherwise the rest of the story seems correct. 

If Russia Invades

If Russia invades, Putin would be wiser to do so sooner rather than later when the cold hard reality of winter heating bills come into play. 

The EU has no army and is a paper tiger anyway.

Merkel’s Legacy

Biden will huff and puff and probably set a lot of sanctions. But Germany is hooked on gas thanks to Angela Merkel shutting down nuclear reactors to appease the Greens. 

She is also the architect of a disastrous “We can do this” open arms Syria refugee policy.

Europe is no more unified today than it was when she took power. And she was in power for 16 years. 

What major achievements does Germany or the EU have for Merkel’s 16 years? If Putin does invade, Merkel’s legacy goes straight into the ash heap of history where arguably it belongs regardless.

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Hansa Junchun
Hansa Junchun
4 years ago
The whole ugly mess is Kolomoiski’s fault. He’s the real master looter of Ukraine. His pathetic puppet Zelenski is losing control over the place, shutting down newspapers, arresting journalists, banning political opposition parties, charging ex-leaders with treason — you know, democracy — and as a result, the oligarchs are finding themselves looking elsewhere, maybe even back to Russia, which was the biggest trading partner with Ukraine (and still is, actually, just not as much as before). Hence rumors of a coup plot last month. The current paranoia festival dates from that rumor. Billionaire Rinat Akhmetov was named as a possible conspirator. Reputedly he and Kolomoiski are hated enemies.
Thus, the current mess is a western reaction to a possible anti-color revolution. Remember! Only the U.S. can brag about spending $5,000,000,000 to overthrow a democratically elected government (Yanukovich). Only our Senators can hand out cookies to violent mobs. Only we can have Juan Guaido, the Free Syrian Army, liberated Libya, Tahriri Square, Euro-Maidan, and all those other brilliant exercises in REAL democracy. 
dpy
dpy
4 years ago
The western Ukes have been egged-on to do something about the break-away provinces, Donbass being the one that you hear the most about.  Actually, the western Ukrainians already have been sniping and shelling for quite a while.  They are now being heavily armed.  Those provinces have majority Russian-speaking and lots of Russian Passport-holding residents.  Been that way forever.  The western-Ukrainians include a lot of “neo-nazis” who would actually be willing to engage in a bunch of good old-fashioned ethnic cleansing of those Russian-speaking folks.   That is why those provinces declared themselves independent after a democratic vote, in the aftermath of the coup that took down the democratically-elected Ukrainian government that was too friendly with Russia for our Neocons to stomach.  Well, contracts for resource exploitation might have played a role in that coup also.  Ask Hunter.
So, the question is rather “What should Putin do when the neo-nazis invade the breakaway provinces?”.
Kauaifb
Kauaifb
4 years ago
Yes, Putin has decided to invade Ukraine in the dead of Winter. Now we know why there is a potato shortage.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
There is no evidence of any invasion plan.
Russia wants to deter a Ukrainian assault on Russian citizens living in the DLNR, and would probably use massive artillery and stand off weapons but without an invasion. Expect the whole Ukrainian army to be swallowed up in a cauldron from which not a single one will escape (unlike the humanitarian corridors in 2015).
The idea that the Russians have 100K  troops at the border is just propaganda playing with numbers.
Where is the evidence?
There are reportedly 175K troops within 400km of the border.
But Moscow is 450km. How many Russian soldiers would there be in that area if Russia was not massing them at the Ukrainian border?
They’ve got to be somewhere at all times, and most of them are not behind the Urals or in Kamchatka.
It’s all evidence free speculation fed to the press by the CIA and the MIC. They want a war in the Ukraine, with America fighting down to the last Ukrainian. Every step they take at deterrence is a farcical attempt to embolden Ukraine and provoke Russia even more.
Pontius
Pontius
4 years ago
US public pronouncements resulting, in part, from Ukrainian efforts to influence western leaders (including Biden family), leaving door open to possibility of NATO membership is reversal of assurance provided by US during dissolution of Soviet Union and reunification of Germany.
Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/).
EGW
EGW
4 years ago
Let Europe provide their own security. What happens there isn’t our problem.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  EGW
They should all merge into one big country, which would make it easier for Europe as a whole to stand up to Russia.  But of course, that would be the sensible thing to do and thus isn’t on the table.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The only place which has, in the real world, successfully stood up to Russia (as well as to NATO….); effectively consists of little more than a bunch of very loosely, if at all, coordinated, internally divisive to the point of always fighting, small village and hamlet citizen militias……… “Cooperation,” once the number of participants exceed a fairly small number, only sounds nice to the naive who don’t know, nor understand, better.
Instead, it’s a rifle (and by now heavier kit as well) behind every blade of grass, which stands up to, repels and hence discourages invasions. Not that the Euros amount to much on that metric either….. In fact, Europe was arguably the first place to systemically disregard that ancient military knowledge. Leading directly to their century of “world wars” and mass atrocities.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  EGW
That was Trump’s position.
The problem is the US is afraid Russia and Europe will get along. Our CIA and state dept need Russia to be an enemy.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
And the MIC.  They need a steady stream of customers.
Billy
Billy
4 years ago
I’m more concerned about corruption in our own government than Russia and all viruses combined.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Everyone’s rattling sabers and playing chicken.  Who will get run over?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Putin to Ukraine: ‘Marry Me or I’ll Kill You’
Jan. 18, 2022
Thomas L. Friedman
Why is Vladimir Putin threatening to take another bite out of Ukraine, after devouring Crimea in 2014? That is not an easy question to answer because Putin is a one-man psychodrama, with a giant inferiority complex toward America that leaves him always stalking the world with a chip on his shoulder so big it’s amazing he can fit through any door.
Let’s see: Putin is a modern-day Peter the Great out to restore the glory of Mother Russia. He’s a retired K.G.B. agent who simply refuses to come in from the cold and still sees the C.I.A. under every rock and behind every opponent. He’s America’s ex-boyfriend-from-hell, who refuses to let us ignore him and date other countries, like China — because he always measures his status in the world in relation to us. And he’s a politician trying to make sure he wins (or rigs) Russia’s 2024 election — and becomes president for life — because when you’ve siphoned off as many rubles as Putin has, you can never be sure that your successor won’t lock you up and take them all. For him, it’s rule or die.
Somewhere in the balance of all of those identities and neuroses is the answer to what Putin intends to do with Ukraine.
….
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Freidman: “Why is Vladimir Putin threatening to take another bite out of Ukraine, after devouring Crimea in 2014?”
Secretary Baker: NATO will not take one step east.
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
1. Bush 41 overruled Secretary Baker. 2. Victoria Nuland, Obama’s senior adviser on Eastern Europe, encouraged Ukraine to revolt against its pro-Russian leader in 2004. Did she really think the Russians would eventually go along with turning Sevastopol in Crimea into a NATO naval base? 3. Biden brought Nuland into HIS administration. Nuland’s senior appointment required Senate confirmation. One suspects that this appointment did not go over well with Putin.
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970
2004 should be 2014.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Friedman is the last person you should be reading … he is a shill for the MIC.
The whole psychological interpretation of Putin at the head of a revanchist Russia re-instituting the Soviet Union …
You would be better of paying attention to what Putin has and is saying, just the literal text.
Many cannot parse Putin’s simple literal statements, convinced that they need an extraordinary interpretation to explain why he doesn’t just get with the program and join the ‘good guys’.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
I find Friedman entertaining.  As in this article.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Ultimately, why care about Ukraine?  Let them fight their own battles.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
These click-bait type ads that appear reguly are tacky, at best.  Surely you can ask for a better class of ads?
“A divorce came due this photo
Husband was in tears after seeing this photo and
asked for a divorce”
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
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jfpersona1
jfpersona1
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Not to put too fine a point on it, but those ads are premised by your search history much of the time.  I see ads for cars and internet offers.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The ads  depend on the products YOU ve been looking for…. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Not true guys.  I have the personal option turned off in Google chrome.
As for adblock, Ublock Origin seems to block the comments when I turn it on for this site.  I haven’t bothered to dig into why this is happening as long as the ads don’t get too annoying.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Putin would invade in a heartbeat is he thought he could get away with it, but the downside if it fails is that it makes him a failure personally. He wants Ukraine to be part of Russia again. He apparently wrote about it in his book although I’ve never read it personally.
The danger is if the US decides it isn’t worth military reprisals. If he thinks that he will move on Ukraine. Meanwhile massing troops makes him look strong. No downside to rattle the saber.
The freakin’ Europeans are ALREADY cutting their own throats by not buying Putin’s NG. Incredibly stupid, imho. Not only is it horrible energy policy, it is a grave strategic error imho. Commerce trumps war, if both sides benefit. Europe is crazy over decarbonization to the point of mass political hysteria. It will not end well.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
What makes you think Putin wants the Ukraine to be part of Russia?
It is the last thing he wants. He wants a neutral country on his border.
And he wants the US and the EU (not Russia) to pick up the tab for the mess they’ve made.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Keeping in mind that the same national security agencies that are watching troop movements, also found no evidence for Wuhan as the source of Covid, one has to wonder if our politicized agencies are up to the task of advising Biden beyond when to change his Depends.
Now, if you were to say ‘White House Warns Russian Invasion of Ukraine May Be Imminent’ is an attempt to restore status and credibility to a failing president, (who is, after all, a self-acclaimed master of foreign affairs) you might be closer to the truth.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
I think Russia has more leverage prior to invasion than after and they can keep everyone guessing. 
Jackie Barron
Jackie Barron
4 years ago

That is a fine pipe-dream
Wolfgang Münchau spins, except for one little problem: both Poland & Lithuania
are NATO countries and so there is no way Russia would hazard an article 5
reaction by taking the Suwalki gap.

Being a map-maker myself, I can
see how much fun the cartographical project of re-drwaing Europe would be,
but…

 

Jackie Barron
Jackie Barron
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackie Barron
…Even though Wolfgang Münchau starts the essay and six paragraphs with the line, When Russian invades, does not make it true.
I stand with Mish: I am not at all convinced Putin intends to invade Ukraine. 
klausmkl
klausmkl
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackie Barron
The 100k troops are for show, just watch.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  klausmkl
Keeping troops there, even if not planing an immediate invasion, does make it more likely someone in Ukraine ends up provoking a “response,” inadvertently or not. “The West” doesn’t really want a confrontation. A sufficient “provokation,” from some particularly hotheaded anti-Putinite on the Ukranian side, allows them to stay out without quite so obviously losing face.
The buildup also strengthens the hand of Ukrainians arguing a policy addressing Russia’s concerns, are a safer path than one of confrontation. Lots of Ukranians already would rather not risk offending the Russians. Noone, at least aside from small minorities of true zealots, want to live indefinitely at the mouth of a cannonbarrel, even if the guy at the other end doesn’t strictly have any current plans of opening fire.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  klausmkl
What 100K troops?
There are reputedly 175K troops within 400km of the border.
But Moscow is 450km. How many Russian soldiers would there be in that area if Russia was not massing them at the Ukrainian border?
They’ve got to be somewhere at all times, and most of them are not behind the Urals or in Kamchatka.
It’s all evidence free speculation fed to the press by the CIA and the MIC. They want a war in the Ukraine, with America fighting down to the last Ukrainian.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Just a reminder for those who like to forget, former president Bush gave Gorbachev a stern promise: NATO will not move one inch to the east. Based on this promise, the Soviet Union evacuated 400,000 soldiers out of East Germany and gave her blessing to German reunification.
Needless to say this promise a cocktail joke, while publicly celebrating Gorbachev.
Today, Russia sees that Ukraine is being roped in, bit-by-bit into NATO, and sees a strategy behind it. Apparently, decided enough is enough.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Is that in writing somewhere and signed by both powers?  If not, then it doesn’t count.
Democritus
Democritus
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Jojo…
When you’re putting a nation with a 4-digit number of nukes with its back against the wall… It certainly does count. Russia had the right to put missiles in Cuba some time ago, but USA security concerns trumped all signed and unsigned agreements about sovereignty. When total war is on the horizon nobody cares what was signed and what wasn’t.
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
It was Secretary Baker that made the commitment. But Bush 41 overruled him.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
I sincerely hope that when the CRIMINAL, US run Nato gang ‘succeeds ‘ in triggering a war with Russia, at the expense btw of the utterly spineless, expendable  worthless EU, that the first missiles will be send to the US , Russia(unlike Iraq) has the means to destroy your nation in a matter of hours, I hope they do so, when push comes to shove, people do get what they deserve going along with their ‘elected’ lunatic leaders and crony scumbags, ignorance and stupidity is unforgivable in a informatised  world where information, apart from your CorruptNN, is merely a couple of buttons away…. I bet that a vast majority, 95%?,of americans can t even find Neo Nazi basketcase Ukraine  on a fn map, and it is exactly there where the ‘excuse ‘ for WWIII is being prepared … CONGRATULATIONS,  fn ignorance must be blissful….this time though, for a change, you won t get out of this fn mess unscathedly !         
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
BTW….I know there are many nice,well informed people on the blog here , so my ‘anger’ is definitely not directed at them, it is american(and european) ignorance , or is it indifference, in general, that pisses me off…
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Nothing like slaughtering a few thousand people to gratify your sense of rightness.  Ghoulish kookery.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Listen. I do not want war with Russia ,nor anyone for that matter(except Islamicists will have to get theres someday if they don’t change, (and they won’t) But i Digress
Why should America even care? Is Russia exporting crap into our country? Is Russia guilty of currency manipulation? Is Russia paying off our university professors? Is Russia bribing our Dr’s in research labs all across our country? Is Russia illegally dumping Russia made cheap goods with slave labor & toxic materials? Is Russia buying up midwestern farmland in the U.S.?  Is Russia teaming up with borderline criminal U.S. doctors pursuing gain of function research?
No. So how is Russia more of a threat than China? Only in the eyes of the corrupt DNC, the media and liberals, whom are one in the same
The DNC is corrupted by so much foreign money that is has not spoken for the American people since just before the Clintons allowed the DNC to somehow illegally accept foreign money. That was the biggest scandal the media wanted you NOT to know. The other hyped Clinton scandals were to take your brain and eyeballs away from campaign finance scandals that this country is now paying for . The DNC should be required to be registered under the Foreign Agents Reg Act 
And I am no “Trumpoid” The republic party is almost as corrupt and if repulicans trot out Trump again we are screwed
The Russians are coming the Russian are coming!! LMFAO……….no they are not
 
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
After the debacle that was the retreat from Afghanistan, is anyone really surprised that  Russia and China would take advantage of President Cluster Fudge’s dismal ratings, and the party in charge in complete disarray? They can win this engagement without firing a shot.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
no. Doesn’t change what I just said about Russia
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
On that we agree.
BillSanDiego
BillSanDiego
4 years ago
If by “on Ukraine’s border” the writer means 160-220 miles away, then the claim is correct.
If by “massing for attack” the writer means parking equipment in neat, compact parallel rows for easy maintenance, then the claim is correct.
The insanity coming from our government and its propaganda machine is astounding.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  BillSanDiego
“The insanity coming from our government and its propaganda machine is astounding.”
Well, yeah. “COVID Lab-Leak Whitewash Has Been ‘The Death Of Science’ Says Professor Who Found ‘Unique Fingerprints’”
University of London professor Angus Dalgleish: “I was told I was not an expert on coronavirus’ and should just shut up.
People tried to push us away. We were told our theory had no rationale
and it was a conspiracy theory. I am so angry about this. I have more
virus papers cited than most virology experts and they tried to push me
aside.”
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
If anything big is going to happen (Taiwan, Ukraine), I would not expect it to happen until after the Winter Olympics.
Although covid is going to keep out foreign tourists, China still has a vested interest in making sure these games showcase China. For that reason, they won’t rock any boats on the world stage until after it’s concluded which would mean March at the earliest. Russia has a lot of athletes going to the games and they take a lot of pride in winning medals so the populace will want to watch the games and not worry about their soldiers being away at war.
As for the Ukraine, I have no idea why the US would let their own soldiers bleed for it. On the other hand I do see the US handing out (giving away) lots of military equipment to the Ukrainians and providing plenty of intelligence via satellite etc in order to help the Ukrainians.
If Russia does over run Ukraine, and lets be honest, it would do so in a week or two at most, who really cares? The country has been in a defacto civil war for almost a decade now between the east half (mostly ethnic Russians) and the west half (Ukrainians). It doesn’t have much in the way of strategic resources (oil, gas, metals etc) beyond growing some wheat. A puppet government (which is what would be installed) would at least provide some stability for the citizens of the country.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Russia is not going to invade Ukraine unless they’re provoked into it. And China is not going to invade Taiwan. There’s a ton of risk and little to gain. This is the CIA and state department trying to start something like they always do.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
You may well be right about China deciding risk not worth taking, but President Xi has – repeatedly – called for re-unification.  Not just US military stirring the pot.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Those are just political words. And I’m sure the peoples government would be thrilled if Taiwan joined China. But getting a tiny island though invasion would be an insane risk.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Insane risk?
A risk.  Sure.  Only 90 miles separate the two.  China’s test last summer of hypersonic glide missile done for a reason.  To show US that it has aces up its sleeves.  Frankly, IF China makes a move on Taiwan I would be surprised if “war” lasted more than 48 hours.  They’ll move with overwhelming force / speed … and not a damn thing US could do.
US will resort to outcry / sanctions.  Paper tiger exposed.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I’m sure saddam thought the same thing when he invaded kuwait.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
They could get their air craft carriers sunk
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
China could just say, no exports for you and our economy would collapse.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Tony. Isn’t Taiwan really a part of China? I certainly am not for yours or mine kids or grandkids having to go and defend that invasion. nor Ukraine for that matter
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
Well, if Taiwan is part of China, then why isn’t the Bahamas and Cuba part of the USA?
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Cuba? how so? Bahamas,if anything it was the UK. Why would Either one of these 2 be part of the U.S.?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
Because they are close to us.  Same with Taiwan and China, no?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
It may also be our military-industrial complex looking for more opportunities to sell munitions after losing their Afghanistan franchise last year.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
It’s the same thing. An amalgamation of government agencies and military contractors who need Russia to be a perpetual enemy.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
….a puppet government has been in place since 2014 post the CIA orchestrated  fn coup !  Honestly, like I said in my comment above : ignorance within the present context  is unforgivable ! 
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
More likely that Putin announces a strategic alliance with China than that he invade Ukraine.
Expect something like planting Zircon hypersonic cruise missiles near US (assets), aimed at NATO, and lining the South China Sea, establishing a kill zone for the US navy within 1500 km of the Chinese coast. Etc.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
The best war is the one not fought. Apparently, some 30,000 American military have committed suicide during the so-called War on Terror. That is more than half the number of battle dead from Vietnam.
“Press secretary Jen Psaki warned that an “extremely dangerous situation”
is building along the Ukrainian border where Russia is amassing troops.”
Maybe Psaki should tell her boss to stop promoting it.
thimk
thimk
4 years ago
Meanwhile back at the ranch. USA sends LNG to Europe .  KInda what Trump wanted . EU  energy policy will divide its members.  In the meantime the Germans will be dancing in their  Lederhosen to stay warm.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
This entire fiasco is driven by the CIA and state department. Putin has soldiers near Ukraine like there have been for decades. We claim he’s about to invade Ukraine and we need to arm Ukraine. So, of course, this causes Putin to place more arms near Ukraine since the other side of the border will have more arms. Sometimes soldiers are placed for defensive purposes.
If we would leave Ukraine alone, the whole thing would be settled peacefully. Stop trying to force Ukraine into NATO. No one outside the US gov’t wants that.
Our position on Nordstream 2 is absurd. We’re fine with Russian gas flowing through Ukraine, but if the same goes doesn’t flow through Ukraine, it gives Russia too much influence over Europe. It must just be a coincidence that Ukraine has given the Biden’s a lot of money for doing nothing.
Jmurr
Jmurr
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
It would be great if the US moved its soldiers from all over the globe to its own southern border where an actual invasion is occurring. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
And shoot to kill.
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
“I have one disagreement, but it’s a big one. I am not at all convinced Putin invades Ukraine”
I agree completely. Ukraine is so messy and corrupted that I don’t see  the benefit of invading it. It’s better for Putin to let it to EU and US. Moreover, Russia is able to stop any ukrainian army that would try to invade Donetsk and Luganks, using missiles.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
“Biden will huff and puff and probably set a lot of sanctions.”
Would not be surprised if Putin takes cares of business … since he knows POTUS will do as you suggest.  Furthermore, now that Russia and China are in cahoots (more or less) it will allow Xi an opportunity to gauge US response as he mulls Taiwan.  Weakness by US will be exploited.
klausmkl
klausmkl
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
War is inevitable, they have been fighting in the Donsbat region already for motnhs. 
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
Reply to  klausmkl
I think that there will be no war, because the west knows (at least the armies) that it would loose it unless nuclear weapons are used, and in this case the two sides will loose.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
By the time the west got any soldiers to Ukraine it would already be over run. It would take no more than a week or 2 for the Russians to occupy the entire country.
At most the west could get a few thousand troops there and very little equipment. It would be suicidal to send forces.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Not only that, I would guess the Ukrainian forces would join the Russian forces once they saw a thousand tanks heading in their direction. I honestly don’t think most Ukrainians have a problem with becoming a part of Russia.

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