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Powell “It’s premature to think about pausing interest rate hikes.”

Reflections on the post-FOMC news conference in @MacroAlf Tweet.

FOMC News Conference 

You can watch the post-FOMC news conference here. It starts at the 1:00 hour mark. So, the conference is 44 minutes long, not 1:44.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yiC8wZvzgQ

Mish Notes

Too Early to Pause 

“It’s very premature to think about or talking about pausing our rate hikes.”  

National Rent Prices

Regarding national rent prices: “Still significant inflation in rent pipeline.” Powell’s statement supports my position discussing new vs existing leases:

Window For Soft Landing 

Soft Pivot!?

ZeroHedge had some amusing comments about an alleged soft pivot from people who obviously did not wait to hear the press conference.

Eric Winograd, AllianceBernstein

  • “The statement is clear that they would like to slow the pace of hikes. In addition to looking at the data and looking at markets, they are also now considering the cumulative impact of what they have already done. And the lag with with that will hit the economy. Most estimates are that it takes 9-12 months for rate hikes to be felt, and 12-18 months for the maximum effect. We are only just now eight months past the first rate hike, so it makes sense to slow down. I would think rates down, curve steeper, stocks up, based on the statement.”

Peter Boockvar, CIO at Bleakley Advisory Group:

  • “The front loading is essentially over and rate hikes from here will be more cognizant of the new economic environment we’re in with respect to the much higher cost of capital and economic clouds that are circling. This is the Fed’s way of telling us that a slowdown in the pace of future hikes is upon us.”

Ira Jersey, Bloomberg Intelligence

  • “It makes sense for the Federal Reserve to get back to increasing rates in only 25-bp increments by February, regardless of where the terminal rate ends up. Having the ability to calibrate monetary policy is easier than if it’s moving in larger increments. Fed funds futures, however, took the statement as very slightly dovish.”
  • “Some may view a Fed pause as leading to the risk of inflation remaining elevated, however we think eventually the market adjusts its thinking toward a deeper economic slowdown in 2024, and price for no cuts in 2023, but deeper cuts thereafter.”

Soft Pivot Notes From Last Few Minutes of Video Conference

  • Powell: “I want people to understand our commitment to getting this done. I control those messages and that’s my job“. 
  • Q: Has the window for a soft landing narrowed?
  • Powell. “Has it narrowed? Yes. Is it still possible? Yes.
  • Q: Why has it narrowed? Powell: “Because we haven’t seen inflation coming down. To the extent rates have to go higher and stay higher for longer it becomes harder to see the path. It’s narrowed.” 
  • Powell: “We would have expected to see by now, as the supply side problems have resolved themselves, we would have expected goods inflation coming down, by now, long since by now. And we really haven’t, not to the extent that we hoped. At the same time you now see services inflation, core services moving up.
  • The inflation picture has become more challenging over the course of this year, without a question. That narrows the path to a soft landing.”

MacroAlf Has the Correct Take 

Train Wrecks Needed 

MacroAlf has the correct meeting interpretation. So does WinfieldSmart.

But that does not negate my point of view on where this is all headed.

Terminal Rate

The market expectation of a terminal rate is 5.00 percent in June or September of 2023.

As noted in Autopilot Fed Hikes Another Three-Quarters of a Point, I highly doubt we get to 5.0%. In fact, I expect we will see our last hike no later than December 2022 at 4.25% to 4.50%.

My view  is not incompatible with the view of MacroAlf or WinfieldSmart.

Train wrecks are needed and we will get them, guaranteed. The only question is on timing. 

I expect by the end of the year or March 2023 at the latest. 

By then, a Fed pause may not even help the market much. A lengthy economic slowdown will be in progress and Powell even admits as much.

Reducing inflation is likely to require a period of below trend growth and some softening of labor market conditions. We will stay the course until the job is done.”

Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

I have noted this many times, but please recall my August 19, 2022 post Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

Powell confirmed my view today. 

Also see my discussion on rent: Rent Prices Have Declined Two Straight Months, But What Does It Mean?

Today, Powell also confirmed my take “Rent prices are declining month-over-month but don’t read too much about inflation into the decline.”

The above chart provides a needed reality check to those who think rent prices are about to plunge based off Apartment List data. Perhaps that happens, but seasonal adjustments and history suggest otherwise.

So hike away until something breaks. That’s when the Fed pivots. I cannot tell you when, but I suspect sooner rather than later. 

Any other questions?

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Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Powell is clearly in cahoots with Qanon conspiracy to place a noted lizard person on the iron throne of the USA! They’re controlling gas prices with 5G to force us to travel less, so they can more easily control our movements in preparation to eradicate all non Christian non-lizard persons! The storm is coming!
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Klaus Schwab says you will own nothing and be happy. Build Back Better.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
no doubt about that.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
The wealthiest men in the world borrowed from the banks at zero rates in order to buy at rock bottom prices when the markets plunge. They parked their funds in US treasury. Rates doubled from 0.25% to 0.50%, doubled again to 1%, to 2%, to 4% and will double to 8% unless JP… Bond investors knew it and preempted. TY plunged. The Fed don’t care about inflation. The Fed will do whatever it takes to prevent a runaway inflation. JP isn’t using brute force like Paul Volcker in Dec 1979, causing immense pain. JP might stop at around 4.5%, shortening the thrust, to observe, in harmony with madam ECB. TY might drop further to It’s backbone : 105/95 and popup. NDX might end it’s down thrust after the Nov election jitters to start it’s Xmas run. The real rates are negative (-) 5%, $31T debt x (-)0.05 = $1.5T. The negative compounding will do it’s
job on the housing market and US debt.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
JPow is ignorant and arrogant. Just like Burns and Volcker. The money stock can never be properly managed by any attempt to control the cost of credit. Interest is the price of credit. The price of money is the reciprocal of the price level.

The
effect of current open market operations on interest rates is indirect, varies
widely over time, and in magnitude. What the net expansion of money will be, as
a consequence of a given change in policy rates, nobody knows until long after
the fact. The consequence is a delayed, remote, and approximate control over
the lending and money-creating capacity of the banking system.

We will never get to 2% inflation in 2023.
We will have stagflation, business stagnation accompanied by inflation.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
If the cost of credit goes up
Far enough, people stop borrowing, and existing loans are gradually paid down… returning money that was leant into existence back to oblivion, reducing the amount in circulation.
Governments that borrow more forever complicate the situation.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I refinanced at 2.75% for 30 years and it’s going to take a long long time for that money to end in oblivion. Maybe I’ll pay it off when a refi is down to 2.25%.
bayleaf
bayleaf
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Some might reason that oblivion could come sooner, like when valuations catch up to the current reality of 8% mortgage rates.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  bayleaf
I never use my home as a piggy bank.
I never expected my home to be an investment.
There are many other ways to manage money.
Most especially with the new tax treatments for mortgages and property taxes.
It is a place for me to live and stash my toys.
Valuation is not much of an issue.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
i’ll repeat, the FED has only one mandate and job. to keep it’s shareholders, the NYC banks, solvent and profitable. i believe 90% of analysts, including Mish, really miss the whole game they are playing by a country mile. the fed doesn’t care about jobs. or housing. or stocks. it’s quite silly to believe this. but alas, this what makes investing and trading so deliciously fun. playing in a game where most don’t even understand who the owners are. it’s like believing the ball teams and stadiums and players are owned by the lumpenproles and middlebrows who cheer and buy tickets. there is NO recession either. but the FEDRESNY doesn’t care either way. i think powell was just going out of his way the past year by broadcasting his intentions so clearly to give a heads up to the wealthy men of the world, who do pay attention and who do own shares in the aforementioned nyc banking cartel…………great blog mish. i do enjoy it. your commenters are intelligent and have some decent comments and trading ideas…………your real estate analysis is fantastic. would be nice of some of the smarter chaps commenting here would give some REIT trading ideas………….hat tip to all.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
I learned my lesson, I won’t fight the fed, it is pointless, just need to find a way to profit the same way their master do. I’m excited about some new prospects. more later…
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
100% agree. it’s been a great to play the “don’t fight the fed”. i learned that simple law of physics as a young fella, wet behind the ears in school daze………….history books and current events. i remember aug 15, 1971 like it was yesterday. i was an 11 year old little fella with one world series attendance under my belt, with the amazing mets of 69.
To Da Moon
To Da Moon
3 years ago
Mish, you’ve been predicting a recession for the past year and off an on for the past 2-3 years. Hell, I’d say almost half of the time you think a recession is either underway or around the corner. You’re probably going to be right this time as it’s about as obvious a set up as it gets, but it’s also probably going to be more severe than you think.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Powell mentioned the robust job market but he didn’t mention the demographic crisis in the US and many parts of the western world. Ottawa in Canada announced a plan to allow 500,000 immigrants by 2025 and many people were skeptical that it would happen and that it wouldn’t be enough anyway.
Meanwhile, in the US political grandstanding and bickering isn’t addressing the problem either so we’ll just have high labor wages and inflation until people wake up. Today is November 2, somewhere across America 20,000 people have retired the last two days and that will continue each and every day from now until 2030. Congratulate those retiring boomers for serving the public good and now there will be a large void and fewer left to pick up the slack.
Don’t take my word for it, sit back and watch how restaurant lines get longer, deliveries get slow or dont get to you at all, doctor wait times longer than ever, etc. You will see it and feel it and people will say, “no one wants to work anymore” when the truth is “there isn’t anyone to do the work.”
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
We certainly can’t replace professionals with decades of training and experience with immigrants from South America
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
100% correct so that means there will be a shortage of doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. Who will fix this?
It won’t stop there either, there are shortages of trades people: 400,000
there are projected shortages of truck drivers: 100,000
there are shortages of teachers, police, city employees, etc.
Who is going to fix this? Where are the people going to come from? While you are trying to figure it out, I’ll be somewhere with plenty of labor to service my needs. Let me know how it turns out.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
I’m staying here and raising my rates!
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
Triply so when any professional old enough to have decades worth of training, is almost invariably being handed much more income for free; stolen from the pool which wold otherwise be available to entice others to enter professional fields; for simply sitting on their rear as the theft rackets pump up their “asset” prices; than they’ll ever make in direct salary from engaging in their profession.
If you were a young doctor on Manhattan in the 70s you’d, say, buy a decent house in a good neighbourhood; as doctors are won’t to anywhere. If you did that; the rackets, over the past two decades, irrespective of whether you ever worked another day or not, have been handing you half a million or more worth of loot every year. Every penny of that being taken directly from future generations of doctors, by way of stealing from them the opportunities you once had.
End result: We have once-were doctors sailing around the world at 50 based overwhelmingly not on what they made in their profession, but rather simply on them being recipients of officially mediated crass theft and looting. And then, we have coming generations who hence were, and are, robbed so hard they can’t even remotely afford to live as doctors off of what a doctor can make from his profession as a doctor. So: No doctors. Just more idle, incompetent nothings. An ever dwindling few of which, at least temporarily, get to live high off of nothing more than loot stolen from the rest.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
in my little village the working population is around 65% NON native born amerikanos. it’s delightful to be around such hard working folks. their from china, russia, DR, aftrica and even some euros…………..it’s wonderful. my amazon delivery fella is about 65 and hails from my homeland, italia.
chillyphilly
chillyphilly
3 years ago
Thank you for posting this…this is one of the reasons I follow you and read your posts, you are well thought out.
After reading the press release, and seeing most news headlines saying the Fed is pivoting and slowing down, is misleading at best, but I guess I can see where they would come up with that out of the release with a stretch of the imagination. I watched the Q and A live and from what he said does not reflect what the news outlets are putting out. They monitor the economy and disuss during each meeting, so no surprise there…but saying they are pivoting from rate hikes is misleading at best. I am glad you posted this to straighten that out.
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
Median House Values: $454,000
Down Payment (if very lucky 20%): $90,800
30 year Mortgage Rate: 7.5%
Principle + Interest: $2,478 a month
Property Tax + Insurance (Est): $450 a month
—————————-
Total Mortgage: $2,928 a month <– This ain’t health!
House prices are going to come down hard.
With a mortgage payment of $2,928 per month and add on a couple of car payments/maxed out credit cards,
Debt to Income (DTI) for the super majority of house purchasers going forward will be north of 60%
Hawkish = Healthy ???
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  Sunriver
That’s the median price, not value. Price is what you pay, value is what you get.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Sunriver
“Total Mortgage: $2,928 a month <– This ain’t health!”
While I agree, what if real median wage rises proportionally?
If it doesn’t, rest assured rates will be back down within a few years when the next economic shock hits.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
“what if real median wage rises proportionally?”
Then those wages will have to be paid to farmers as well. Resulting in $20/quart milk…. Hence, supposedly (fat chance in the long run as long as we have a Fed beholden to the rackets) higher rates……
Building a house takes no more inputs, labor and capital; compared to producing a quart of milk; now, than it did 100 years ago. The only reason for the past 50 years’ illusion that it does; is that farmers have been robbed, by way of debasement; in order to enrich the idles in the housing and (subsidized by theft from others) credit rackets. Not the housing guys who actually did something useful and actually built houses, mind you. Just the armies of deadweight dilettantes who did nothing more than be in the way.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
Incorrect, in your milk example, less than 20% of it’s price is labor, if labor price doubled, that would be a 10% increase in total price.
Instead of paying $2.70/gal, I’d pay $3.00.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  Sunriver
There are some Fed & state tax savings in there. Net rent is about $2100. If you have to buy now, go with a 5/1 to save 2% on the rate and plan to refi on the way down starting in 2024. The 5/1 drops the payment another $350 to $1750. What can you rent for 1750?
Unless you think mortgage rates are moving permanently higher to 9%, it looks like it’s time to wait for prices and rates to fall, not time to buy. Takes two years or so in most downturns. I don’t see a hard fall in prices because supply is low and existing owners are locked in at low rates and don’t have move. Existing homeowners are very healthy.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
The ones that bought in the last 6months aren’t.
bayleaf
bayleaf
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
With the tremendous flood of new housing being completed as we speak (like in NYC), existing owners will play less of a role in certain areas. For the rest, well they better hope they can hang on to a job.
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
Reply to  Sunriver
As always, location location location.
I live in Boise Idaho. House values are falling fast. My home value value is down 20% in the last 6 months.
Phoenix, Las Vegas, Florida are all in play for large house price decreases.
Of course some areas home prices will fall very little, but house prices will fall as mortgage hit 8%. Some areas will fall 35% and Boise will be one of those areas.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
A soft landing is when you are falling, having a heart attack, and just before smacking the ground, you wake up.
A soft landing is when you survive the fall.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
“A soft landing is when you survive the fall.”
+a million.
Anywhere in The West by now; it would take an absolute calamity, before massive numbers of people started straight up not surviving a mere price dislocation or credit crunch.
In third world countries, there _may_ be some humanitarian excuses for not simply letting markets clear and the chips fall where they may. But in the once-was developed world; there truly is none at all. Even the purest debasement-theft-beneficiary hedge fund manager out there; is insanely unlikely to straight up not survive an end to the looting his entire “net worth” has been built on. He may have to go do some work for a living, but he won’t be lying in the streets of New York holloweyed and starved to death.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Now rates are normalized. The rest of the push up will be given back after ‘something breaks’
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
Rates are nowhere near normalized. They are a minimum of 1.25% below inflation, while historically they are a percent or two above (official) inflation. So rates are still at least 2.25% accomodative. Thats over 50% discount relative to current rate, which is just massive.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Yes, but your view is related to the short-term market and I am thinking in terms of where markets should be if things were normal, without all these crazy shocks to the system. Further rate increases will come, inflation will moderate then rates will be cut to follow inflation down. If the fed goes up .50 and .25 from here, it will give them room for three to four .25 rate cuts starting in late 2023. I think that they come back to this point and hold here.
I originally thought they would need to go to at least 5.5%, but with the data starting to turn in some areas, I think inflation falls to 3.5% in twelve months. Mish will be right that they don’t get to 5.0% if the give up on the 2.0% inflation goal. If they don’t let go of 2% inflation, I think they at least go to 5.0% and 6.0% is not out of the question.
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
The deck chairs are being moved due to globalization changes, and the target rate will be moved up to 3.5% when all is said and done. Through either a short term or long term lens, rates are deeply accomodative right now. Massively, through the short term lens.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
so the level of interest rates still favor growth? No recession in your view? Inflation stays where it is?
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
It won’t fix anything, but rate hikes at the moment are a necessary evil to correct the current path of the economy.
Speeding up QT would be more effective. There is $2 trillion of “slack” funds that could be run off more quickly than $65 billion/month ($90 billion/month?) and have a quicker and more targetted impact to bring down inflation. I would actually prefer that landing vs rate hikes.
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Meant $60 billion (of treasuries), not $65 billion.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Rates will never be “normalized”. The FED’s artificial suppression of interest rates, payment of interest on outside money, will ensure that outcome. The FED is operating the economic engine in reverse.

Rather than bottling up existing savings, the authorities
should pursue every possible means for promoting the orderly and continuous
flow of monetary savings into real investment (which increases the real rate of interest).

JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
“Real investment”, Lol! Like stock buybacks and Bitcoin?
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
DX didn’t care
Quark711
Quark711
3 years ago
Look at a T-bill chart, and compare the timing of Fed rate changes, up and down. The Fed LAGS what the market has already done!
Mish, what am I missing? Can you or someone please help me understand why there’s a nearly universal conviction the Fed controls rates?
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  Quark711
The fed forecasts what it plans to do. The market front runs the fed.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
almost always…
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Was a little confused by those experts. Didn’t realize at first that they were connected to the zero hedge comment. Long day. Pretty funny until you remember just how much financial power they wield. Their words move trillions.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Never discount the power of large numbers of kooks with a shared kooky idea.
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
“I highly doubt we get to 5.0%.”
Well, you are wrong. FOMC member Mester stated point blank in a Bloomberg interview that the Fed would keep hiking until the Fed funds rate is above core PCE. There was no waffling, and she said it publicly.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
You act like everything the fed says actually occurs. Will you never learn? They will talk tough until the real world hits them in the face so hard that they don’t know if it was a left cross or if they just walked into a battleship.
The fed has a PLAN. That’s it.
“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth”
–Mike Tyson
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
They usually hem and haw. It was firm, not up for discussion. In fact, I just learned that Powell made the same statement at his press conference today, also extremely firm.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
The FED’s Ph.Ds. in economics literally do not know a credit from a debit.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
“Well, you are wrong. FOMC member Mester stated point blank in a Bloomberg interview that the Fed would keep hiking until the Fed funds rate is above core PCE. There was no waffling, and she said it publicly.”
I’m pretty sure there was no waffling when she said inflation was transitory a year ago.
Nothing is certain in markets, the Fed changes when the facts change.
.
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
You people are in denial, and delusional to boot. CPI is over 8% right now. Come to grips with reality. Just because you eant to hear something they are not saying doesn’t make it so. The ADP report showed broad wages up 7.7% yoy, some over 15%. How long do you think that can last without systemic collapse?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Longer than you can remain solvent.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
There is a suit against some large companies who rent homes for using software that supposedly causes the companies to push rents ever upward. Apparently the software uses an algorithm that essentially follows price trends. Rents have been rising these last few years and they are accused of exacerbating the trend. If it exacerbates on the upside it could also exacerbate the downward trend in prices. It reminds me of Zillows problems with its magic house-flipping algorithm earlier this year.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Isn’t that autoexacerbation?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
As opposed to group-exacerbation? If it is the algorithm then the computer program would be autoexacerbating. If it were overseen by human managers then it would be machine-human group-exacerbation which to me sounds like something illegal in 14 states. If you ask people on the street what they think of machine-human group-exacerbation you probably will get some interesting answers.
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
“I don’t think we are too tight. “
On the contrary. The Fed is still *massively* accomodative.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
You are right. Where you go wrong is that they must stay massively accommodation or people will begin to starve in the streets. And those people own AR-15s.
If people realized just how much of the population lived each day only by direct transfer payments from the government then they would be scared $hitless at how this situation must eventually play out.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
the rods and gun club from inner city to country bumpkins will sell those items to get food before they riot. the history of humanity, 101.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
Can you buy .223 on your EBT card?
1-shot
1-shot
3 years ago
The fed is doing exactly what the fed has being saying they would do. As a matter of fact, they’ve been saying it for about a year now. Everyone had plenty of time to sell stocks, bonds, real estate etc.
It amazes me that folks are still trying to fade the fed and push their pivot narrative. I guess those folks will ride their positions all the way to the bottom.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  1-shot
ha ha ha. indeed correct. thank heavens for the little people.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
“Transitory” – “It’s very premature to think about or talking about pausing our rate hikes.”
In under a year.
I hope it’s not transitory if/when it becomes the inverse problem.
.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
I expect by the end of the year or March 2023 at the latest.
I was saying the same thing a few months ago. I expect a deflationary recession with massive job losses in 2023. But we may be in a world war by then.
hhabana
hhabana
3 years ago
“When all else fails, they take you to war.” per Gerald Celente
Another Celente favorite is “When people lose everything and have nothing left to lose, they lose it.”
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  hhabana
“Nothin’ ain’t worth nothin’, but it’s free.” – B. McGee
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
“It’s premature to think about pausing interest rate hikes.”
Considering the dot plot goes out to 2+ years, either Powell thinks he really will hike that whole time or he’s a big fat liar.
Based on his transitory comment I’m going with the liar.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Another way to look at all this is this: Remember when the Fed was though to be “pushing” on a string when lowering rates back in 2009 and then starting with QE ? Right now the same thing is happening. Eventually it will break something but who really knows. There are so many unknown unknowns right now geopolitically that anything could happen. I think we exited normal a few times over the last few years and now getting back to “normal” is impossible but this is what the Fed is trying to do. They only have a couple of tools. Short of removing money from the money supply in creative and likely illegal ways, they can’t really do much.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
These clowns can’t even keep track of their known knowns.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
The reason they can keep hiking is that there are so many businesses and people sitting on piles of cash that aren’t impacted any more by what the Fed does. There is a quasi-banking system/economy outside of the Fed’s control now. This is why its so hard to get inflation under control because there is more money chasing assets. The only way imo that they can get it back in control is to start reimplementing 1990s derivatives regulation to crash the derivatives market and prices along with it. Of course this will never happen because the Fed, Congress and government are all in bed with the derivatives economy. The whole system has been broken since derivatives deregulation occurred in 1999-2001 under Greenspan, Rubin and Summers along with Phil Gramm. The price of anything is no longer just true supply and demand. There is all kinds of money driving up prices and holding instruments as an “investment”.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Money chasing assets like stocks/real estate is actually OK and doesn’t raise inflation in the general sense. It’s money chasing goods and services that raises inflation.
When the Fed (plus government) was making billionaires richer via QE and other schemes the only effect on the real economy was inflation in real estate and stocks. Since most people don’t own stocks or own very little, only the real estate inflation mattered. But when the government switched to handing out stimmy payments they put the money directly in the hands of the poor and lower middle class. Those people spend the money on goods/services but nothing was actually produced so of course we got goods/services inflation.
In simpler terms, if you give Elon Musk another billion dollars all he is going to do is buy stocks or real estate because he doesn’t need to buy anything goods/services wise because he already has everything he needs (ie you can only eat 1 nice steak a day and only need 1-2 cell phones etc). But if you given 1 million people a thousand dollars they tend to spend it on goods/services because they don’t have everything they need so you suddenly have excess demand for 1 million steaks or 1 million cell phones and you get inflation there.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
You are wrong about one part. Money from hedge funds and other classes that chases futures, derivatives and the like, does chase up prices. And that’s where it affects common businesses the most. CFTC has yet to reimplement the derivatives regulation from 2016 that was undone in 2018 and 2019 by the Trump administration. If we suddenly went back to the 1990s type regulation on derivatives, the prices of everything would crash. This game has been going on since the late 90s. We had a normal functioning economy for about 50 years post WW2 but that gone undone by financial deregulation of a system that had been created after the 1930s. The banking system is completely global now and messed up in so many ways that all we get is rampant price inflation no matter what the case. The economy we have today is completely broken by the banking system and lack of regulations. This is why what the Fed is doing has little effect. I said earlier this year they should raise rates in larger chunks and if that didn’t work then start taking money out of the money supply to induce deflation.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
When you don’t need money you can afford to create inflation.
Some folks that don’t need money profit from inflation.
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
I agree on all points. I’ve talked to a few of my customers and they all have a lot more in cash than ever before. I’ve told my company to bring our inventory levels from a 5+ month supply to a 1.5 month supply. We are already seeing many prices come down and I will buy heavy when I think that will be.
From today’s comments, I’m thinking the USD still has at least another 7% to climb. That leverage, plus a high probability of a recession, over-inventory, freight dropping to 5 year lows, makes me think prices will bottom in 4-6 months from now.
billybobjr
billybobjr
3 years ago
You may have a point here because the economy is still roaring in some areas . Some people are spending tons of money.
Know a person who just got 187k for the covid relief ran a small business that money is still being sucked on by states and
cities much still un spent . The problem is they raise hell when and oil company makes big profits but no problem
when Google and Apple and many others make a killing . Things definitely seem out of balance
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  billybobjr
Or the funding Trump gave out for towns to build up their parks and such. I happened to learn of one in which they may, on a very generous assessment by me, may have done about 75k worth of work for 700k. Please don’t give me that sealed bid nonsense. They know.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
3 years ago
Reply to  billybobjr
PNF chart has 1.5-7 area, so expect Euro to be toast if that takes place
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
This system has been broken for a lot longer than that, but they did need to get it some crutches after that. And since lunacy seems to be the real new normal, especially in all the leading positions in the world, I recommend you buy stock in popcorn, cuz it’s going to be one hell of a show.

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