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Powell Pledges to Beat Inflation Even If it Causes Recession and Job Losses

Jerome Powell at FOMC meeting on June 15, 2022 from the Fed’s website.

Handling an Economic Slowdown

Powell testified before Congress on June 22 and June 23 on inflation and an economic slowdown.

At the Congressional sessions, Powell Was Pressed Over How Fed Would Respond to Economic Slowdown.  

  • “We can’t fail on this. We really have to get inflation down,” Mr. Powell said during the second of two days of testimony. 
  • “We’re going to want to see evidence that it really is coming down before we declare ‘mission accomplished”
  • “In that hypothetical situation [that growth stalled and unemployment rose] , that would be a setting in which inflation could be expected to come down,” Mr. Powell said. He added, “I think we’d be reluctant to cut.”
  • Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) pressed Mr. Powell to endorse other methods to bring down inflation, such as stiffer antitrust regulation or price controls. Mr. Powell demurred. “There’s been a long history of price controls” when inflation is high, he said, “and it has not been a successful one.

  • Mr. Powell tried to avoid getting pinned down in a partisan fight, but at one point, he allowed that an increase in energy production could bring down gas prices. “Obviously, the more supply there is, the more the price can go down,” he said.

  • Powell pushed back against the idea that corporate greed was a primary driver of high inflation. “It is not at all clear that there is a connection between a more concentrated economy and, for example, inflation,” Mr. Powell said.

  • To a question as to whether war was responsible for inflation, “No,” Mr. Powell responded. “Inflation was high before—certainly before the war in Ukraine broke out.

Powell Synopsis

It’s not Putin’s fault. Price controls don’t work. It’s not price gouging by big corporations. More oil production would help.

With that, Powell blasted the position of president Biden, senator Elizabeth Warren, and all the Progressives.

The most important takeaway is Powell’s position that the Fed will stick to its course of beating inflation even at the expense of recession and job losses.

Unfortunately, there is no link to the Q&A session, just Powell’s Prepared Remarks

Powell prepared remarks conclude:

Inflation has obviously surprised to the upside over the past year, and further surprises could be in store. We therefore will need to be nimble in responding to incoming data and the evolving outlook. And we will strive to avoid adding uncertainty in what is already an extraordinarily challenging and uncertain time. We are highly attentive to inflation risks and determined to take the measures necessary to restore price stability. The American economy is very strong and well positioned to handle tighter monetary policy.

To conclude, we understand that our actions affect communities, families, and businesses across the country. Everything we do is in service to our public mission. We at the Fed will do everything we can to achieve our maximum-employment and price-stability goals.

Thank you. I am happy to take your questions.

What About Quantitative Tightening (QT)?


SLR is the supplementary leverage ratio with which banks calculate the amount of common equity capital they must hold relative to their total leverage exposure. Large US banks must hold 3%.

RRP (next Tweet) stands for Reverse Repro agreement. 

Continuing along, IORB is Interest on Reserve Balances and MMF stands for Money Market Funds, and WAM is Weighted Average Maturity.

This discussion is not easy to understand. My point is to show it’s not that simple to say “just do it.” 

Damn the asset bubbles on the way up, QE is a lot easier to conduct than QT. It’s hard to slowly let air out of a bubble using a pin as a tool. 

Blunt Instrument or a Pin?

Tail or Tale?

What Does Powell Believe?

Do Powell and Treasury Secretary Yellen really believe the Fed can concoct a soft landing? 

If they do, then they are more economically illiterate than I thought. 

But Powell has to say what he is saying now. Otherwise he will be admitting he is hiking smack into a recession, one that in my view has already started.

Will Powell Do What He Says?

That’s really what it boils down to.

Most market followers believe the Fed will blink. 

My position is a bit different. I think the Fed is so fearful of inflation now, they actually overshoot neutral by a lot. Neutral is the magic rate that is neither simulative nor recessionary.

Where is Neutral?  

To bring down inflation, Chicago Fed President Charles Evans said the Fed might have to hike above neutral. 

The Fed does not know where neutral is, neither do I, nor does anyone else. Only a free market in rates can possibly find it.

Thus, the Fed is constantly chasing its tail. Also, the Fed is “constantly chasing its fairy tale.”

Given massive debt levels and leverage, I suspect neutral is far lower than nearly everyone I follow. 

And if the Fed does overshoot neutral by a lot, yes, it will hammer inflation via demand destruction and reverse wealth impact.

For discussion, please see The Fed Searches For the Neutral Interest Rate, Where the Heck Is It?

US is in Recession Now, Q&A on Why

Meanwhile, I’m tired of this nonsense that a recession might be coming and the Fed might deliver a soft landing, 

Regarding the Fed’s fairy tale, I’ve Seen Enough, the US is in Recession Now, Q&A on Why

Recession is here already. The question is not whether we have a recession, but rather how deep and how long.

I will address that in a separate post. 

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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Obviously it can’t be publicized, but I have been informed that J Powell and accomplices are on double secret probation.
Besides, I know what the neutral interest rate is.
However if I told anyone I’d have to kill them, and I’m a peaceful person.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
3 years ago
The Fed needs to maintain high rates no matter if a recession happens to get rid of the financialization and speculation in the markets and the economy. Probably at this moment there is no neutral rate. The Fed has manipulated the system for so long that the market would oscillate wildly trying to find the neutral rate. Sort of like a capsized sailboat trying to find its equilibrium position, it will have to be flipped upright again before it can find it.
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
3 years ago
So Powell is an idiot, economically illiterate, but as long as he’s criticizing Democratic policy proposals, he’s accurate? Thanks for the chuckle, Mish.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
So, we have high inflation because the oil companies are greedy. Were they greedy 2 years ago?
There’s a large sector of society that actually believes the nonsense our current administration says. What I like to refer to as the party whose existence depends on a large pct of the US voting population being morons.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Perhaps the current party in power depends upon feeding a constant stream of unearned US dollars to the poor but enfranchised.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
To beat inflation we need prices to fall back to where they were. If they’ve gone up 10% I want them to come down 10% so I can afford the same goods and services as before, ie deflation. If inflation were to fall back to the say 2 – 4%, that just means they’re not going up quite so quickly, in other words prices might be 12 to 14% higher than the starting point. We’d therefore need even more deflation to beat it, so we’d still need tight monetary policy (if that’s the tool) perhaps tighter.
I realise this is just pie in the sky, they’ll accept the higher prices, if they can slow down the price rises.
DC64
DC64
3 years ago
Hi Mish,
Great post,
“Debt that cannot be paid will not be paid.’
Why does the prospect of US defaulting on its debt seem so abhorrent.
Surely it is a pragmatic course of action.
killben
killben
3 years ago
“I think the Fed is so fearful of inflation now, they actually overshoot neutral by a lot.”
Yup! At least it has brought the self-anointed rulers of the globe with a printing press and 2 tools – interest rates and QE- down to earth. Hope it lasts.
They will likely think twice before printing on the scale they did.
Good to have a price on capital.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
I forget where I saw it but there was a real time chart on inflation components since January of 2020. If the Fed had been looking at that they would have hiked in the summer and fall of 2021 and we wouldn’t be in the situation we are in. Did anyone ask the question WHY the Fed didn’t hike last summer given inflation components were all high then and going higher ?
killben
killben
3 years ago
“Did anyone ask the question WHY the Fed didn’t hike last summer given inflation components were all high then and going higher ?”
No. That is because everyone knows the answer. The Fed was looking at the stock market then. If they had hiked then the market would have tanked too. Also the self-anointed rulers had an illusion of grandeur then – Masters of the Universe
Fish1
Fish1
3 years ago
If you have lived 69 years without a pair can you just go out and acquire a set?
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Fish1
I agree, but he really is backed against the wall. He knows there’s a hostile fossil fuel administration in power until 2024, even if the GOP picks up the House & Senate. He’ll just veto pro-FF legislation and hope the GOP doesn’t pick up 60 seats which they probably won’t. And, the entire global oil industry will fight to keep oil near or above $100. His only real choice is to engineer a modest recession that pushes unemployment up to 5-7% for about 3 years.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Fish1
Not only can you get a pair, if your income is less than 200% of the Federal poverty line you can probably get the Government to pay for them.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
Maybe Powell is trying to get Democrats out of office. He can raise rates, and voters take their frustration out on Biden and the Democrats.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago

Powell doesn’t really need to do anything except talk. I suspect inflation is peaking now and will begin to moderate through the rest of this year. In 2023 I expect favorable yoy comparisons to bring inflation down to under 4%. Though high food and energy prices might keep inflation from dropping to 2% next year.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
A trip to Walmart today was very revealing in the high number of shelf prices that did not match the checkout prices. The average increase was about 10% in my cart. The takeaway, inflation is NOT peaking. Perhaps retailers are taking advantage of of inflation expectations and jacking up prices while they can.
With sizable increases in inflation, there is price momentum. If we see wage and welfare hikes, inflation will be here for a while..
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Retail is the end of chain and the last to raise prices.
Prices are already moderating in the supply chain. Some examples include: semiconductors, shipping containers, fertilizer, lumber, copper, oil, and so on.
And even if prices do not go down, and merely stay flat, the inflation rate will be zero in one years time. Though I am still expecting 2-4% inflation next year.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Yep BLOOMBERG is a harbinger of “TRUTH”!!!!
They spin the BS METER very well!!!!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Lol! Please explain how their reporting of data that is freely available to everyone is BS. I could have gotten the same info from dozens of other sources. Would you believe it if it came from a Russian or Chinese news agency?
Please provide the “correct” data that proves their reporting is wrong.
Of course, you can’t. Because you simply make it all up.
I’m not even sure what your point is.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Wait until China moves into Taiwan!!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Again. What is your point?
How about this;
Wait till the martians come for you.
That’s just as useful as your comments.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I expect inflation to morph over the next few years. With covid we had a drop in services and services inflation but goods and goods inflation exploded. With the changing demographics of the US and most of the world, we will once again undergo a change in demand. Inflation will move toward goods AND services but related to the healthcare industry. Health insurance spend, health devices, health medicines, health tech and health services will all EXPLODE moving post 2025 when the boomer retirements start “cresting” and continue thru 2030.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Possibly, but in the US, if health care costs keep going up, then less people use those services. Its not like we have health care for all like other countries.
The main inflation I see going forward is food and energy. But I see the overall inflation rate heading to the 2-4% area.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
You’re delusional. Without a recession, inflation above 5% is here to stay. Even a modest recession isn’t going to bring inflation back down to 2%. The new normal for inflation is between 4-5% long-term (i.e. 10 years or more).
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
I disagree. As many often say; the cure for high prices is high prices.
Use gasoline as an example. As prices hit $5/gal nationwide, people here scream that demand destruction will bring prices back down.
But they don’t even have to go back down. If they simply stay at $5 for an entire year, then they stop contributing to inflation because they are the same price as a year ago.
And if gas prices drop, as they recently have, then they contribute to deflation.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Mexico just published the highest recorded inflation in 21 years. Mexico is one of the United States largest trading partners so inflation there means inflation here.
This on top of Canada recording the highest inflation in 40 years (another top trading partner) along with the UK and just about every other country. Powell thinks he will lower inflation globally?
On top of all this, 10,000 boomers retire every day depleting the workforce of labor and productivity yet still demanding goods and services. Labor wages will not be going down. If wages don’t go down then don’t see how other key items like housing and energy will come down but we’ll see. As always, feel free to place bets and let us know the strength of your convictions.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Northern Mexico is in drought, Monterrey has limited water, 6 hour rations, no running water, 5 M people
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
The article contains a link to an un-paywalled WSJ article.
Here is full text related to Casual Observer’s question …..
Rep. Trey Hollingsworth (R., Ind.) said he was worried that by waiting for evidence of inflation to slow, the Fed would rely heavily on an indicator that lags economic activity. He asked Mr. Powell how the Fed would respond to a situation where inflation is still high “and unemployment is escalating quickly, and economic growth is negative.”

“In that hypothetical situation, that would be a setting in which inflation could be expected to come down,” Mr. Powell said, which could meet a test the Fed has established to slow or stop rate rises. But he added, “I think we’d be reluctant to cut.”

The exchange highlighted an important dilemma that many central banks might eventually face. Faced with high inflation in the mid-1970s, for example, the Fed raised rates aggressively but not enough to break the back of high inflation, forcing stiffer action later.

RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
“Faced with high inflation in the mid-1970s, for example, the Fed raised
rates aggressively but not enough to break the back of high inflation,
forcing stiffer action later.”
Not to mention that the stiffer action later, included a double dose of recession in 1980-82, to break the back of inflation. This time, however, there is 30 trillion in federal debt.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Funny how the Fed does NOT address that $30T debt, a Federal gov’t that spends without restraint, and that a significant increase in interest rates will present a major economic problem that the fed cannot solve without buying more gov’t bonds and keeping rates near zero.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
That still wasn’t my exact question and Powell didn’t answer it. Again what if inflation persists and unemployment escalates quickly? I’m not asking if they would cut rates or leave them the same. I think no one asked the question right and Powell likely wanted to avoid answering it. Powell is simply saying he expects inflation to come down if unemployment goes up. I’m saying inflation may well stay the same even if unemployment rises and the economy slows down. Under that scenario, would they continue to HIKE rates ?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
The implied answer is ‘yes’ they would continue to hike rates because in their mind inflation has persisted and that’s why the fed is currently fighting (not unemployment).
To really nail down an answer you’d have to instead as at what Unemployment rate (5%, 7%, 10% etc) would the fed worry about the inflation fighting policies.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Exactly. I think the precise question was not asked for a reason. It is very reminiscent of what occurred in the 70s prior to Volcker.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Setting neutral rates… yes it’s a dog chasing tail exercise, but it can be useful if done right. What about a target interest carry on our debt? I should say a target ceiling to the interest carry. I’ve always kept it simple and said at $30TT plus and 3% rates, carry is [give or take] $1TT per year. What’s the most we can afford to run in deficits? How about $1TT outside of the interest carry. Are we going to be able to sustain 3% rates when that means our deficits will likely run $2TT minimum annually? We all know that answer. So yeah, can you really set neutral too low? We can’t afford ANY interest carry, to be honest. Sincerely, Zimbabwe
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
By now it should be clear that the Fed is
a) utterly incompetent, or
b) complicit in engineering a debt reset, or
c) delaying the collapse so their Wall Street friends and big banks can reposition, or
c) kicking the can down the road so the implosion occurs with Republicans in control.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago

Homebuyer affordability was mostly unchanged in May, with the national median payment applied for by applicants up slightly to $1,897 from $1,889 in April. This is according to the Mortgage Bankers Association’s (MBA) Purchase Applications Payment Index (PAPI), which measures how new monthly mortgage payments vary across time – relative to income – using data from MBA’s Weekly Applications Survey (WAS).

“The ongoing affordability hit of higher home prices and fast-rising mortgage rates led to a slowdown in purchase applications in May. While the median principal and interest payment only increased $8 from April, a typical borrower is paying $514 more through the first five months of 2022 – a jump of 37.1%,” said Edward Seiler, MBA’s Associate Vice President, Housing Economics, and Executive Director, Research Institute for Housing America.

Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Census Bureau has been conducting periodic household surveys.
Total Population 18 years and older … 252,481,011
On the question of difficulty paying usual household expenses prior 7 days … those responding “very difficult”
Responses (prior to most recent) April 27th – May 9th … 33,958,237
Responses (most recent) June 1st – June 13th … 40,277,590
A lot of good info to be had –
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
FWIW the regulations Warren put in place on the insurance industry are now allowing some of my family members to get their money back on lost investments in annuities that they did not direct their fiduciaries to change. Some people would have you believe 100% of everything Warren does is terrible for everyone.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
“Some people would have you believe 100% of everything Warren does is terrible for everyone.”
Name some
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Well I would say you but I’m not sure you are in the 100% category but seem close. Unlike many others here and elsewhere, I voted for Warren in the primaries because she was the only one in favor of more financial regulation and breaking up big companies and enforcing laws already on the books. The economy and financial system are beyond broken but it isn’t simply because we don’t let “the market” set interest rates.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
One would be me. With the exception of AOC, I have never seen any ‘politician’ so incompetent and so detached from economic reality.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I think there are way more people way more detached than Warren. Just because you are attached to the economic reality of the last two decades doesn’t mean much. That economic reality is one that has been primarily controlled by investment banking industry deregulation. Warren is way more in touch with that aspect of economic reality than you or anyone else because she’s been trying to for 2 decades to go back to the banking regulations that were in place prior to deregulation of 1999-2002.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Of the factors of production, capital is the most mobile (labor moves much slower). When politicians try to stop capital from relocating to balance risk and return, and the demand and supply of funds, the result is imbalance, by definition. Warren is all about gov’t redistribution, her motivation being her ‘belief’ that she knows how to use your money better than you do.
Empty claims that ‘Warren is way more in touch…’ do not help your case. Deregulation reduced the cost of capital and enabled it to be mobile–that is free capital markets. Speculation is NOT a bad thing IF risk and return are enabled.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You sound like an investment banker that thinks capital markets somehow represent the economy. I am all for your speculation as long as it is separated in a market that has zero to do with main street investments, savings, commodity prices and the like. Deregulation didn’t reduce the cost of capital. Lower interest rates did.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Nowhere do I see any mention or questioning of additional regulation by CFTC to root out the speculators in commodity futures and derivstives or going back to 1990s regulations on derivatives. We know the politicians from both sides of the aisle are being greased by the hedge fund industry and banking industry in general. Until this changes, we won’t see any fundamental change in the way the economy doesn’t work for main street.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
The best way regulate speculators is to bankrupt them which is exactly what is happening now.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
The feedback loop is crucial–people learn and the system improves. Sadly, Casual Observer wants the gov’t to control outcmes.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
No. Just better rules of the road. Instead of castigating what I say as “government controlling outcomes” you should try to read and comprehend a bit more. Based on your by the book posts below thinking that capital markets reduced the cost of capital rather than interest rate cuts over the last 20+ years, I would guess you are an investment banker or associated. I’m glad I’ve struck a nerve because you’ve outed yourself.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Sorry. I think regulation of financial markets useful especially in breaking out-of-control feedback loops. I am not a Libertarian.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
No one is going bankrupt right now. This isn’t 2007-2009.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
The banks are in much better shape than in 2008 mostly because of more strict regulations so none of them will fail however there are plenty of non-bank financial companies along with companies whose business model depends on extremely low rates remaining extremely low to pay for the assets they bought that will go bankrupt and there are plenty of them. These entities expect that the Fed will always lower rates if the economy starts to look bad thereby bailing them out. This time around they will be out of luck.
Captain Ahab doesn’t sound like an investment banker to me.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago

What if inflation doesn’t come down but unemployment goes up ?

Pancho
Pancho
3 years ago
The we are fudged!
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Powell directly answered that Q.
  • “In that hypothetical situation [that growth stalled and unemployment rose] , that would be a setting in which inflation could be expected to come down,” Mr. Powell said. He added, “I think we’d be reluctant to cut.”
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
That’s not the same thing. He is saying he expects inflation to come down. I’m saying what if unemployment goes up and inflation stays the same or close to the same. I think this is a more likely outcome for everyone but BRIC because of sanctions and Putin’s determination to make the west feel the pain.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
It would depend on how much it goes up I think. Volker let it go up over 10% and the Fed might do the same.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
What is the meaning of ‘expects’? Statistically, the expected value is the mean–so the most likely, but in reality there is a 50% chance of higher, and 50% chance of lower.
How much will inflation come down with the Fed’s fiddling? Actually, the slightest decrease would qualify for Powell. It is quite possible that unemployment goes up and inflation stays the same. WHY? Because with $30T of debt, a fiscally irresponsible gov’t, and an antiquated socialist economic model (Keynesian), the Fed has no real control. Damned if they do, and damned if they don;t.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
What are the conditions that would lead to that? UE can only go up a small bit without dropping inflation. Are people going to stop getting job income and continue spending at the same rate? They’re not the US government, after all 😉
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
More sanctions against Russia could lead to that could they not ? If the US somehow convinced China and India not to take Russian oil. Right now what’s happening is India is blending Russian oil and reselling it on the global market so bypass sanctions. If this oil never saw the global market, you would have a case for higher unemployment caused by increased rates and the same or even higher prices on commodities due to even lower supply.
Max
Max
3 years ago
It is interesting to watched how people in our country get brainwashed by leftist propaganda in all media about what India is doing. How conveniently the media avoids what China and Europe are quietly doing by buying 10 times more oil from Russia than India does. And of course, isn’t the US buying some of this oil from India too. The US media is anti-India, pro-Europe and bought over by China.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Max
I was simply pointing out a case by which we could have high inflation and higher unemployment. I see scenarios that could play that where that could happen. It is interesting that you chose this comment of mine to start pointing to brainwashing and leftist propaganda. Instead of laying out cogent arguments you chose to do this. This says more about you than anything you really wrote.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
I do not see much higher inflation. We are peaking and it will begin to come back down. Quite a lot of prices are already moderating other than food and energy. No need to cause some unemployment to bring inflation down.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Max
Left wing brainwashing. Same as right wing brainwashing. And the political people lap it up. Example: there are still some here who insist Trump won. Talk about brainwashed!
The only reason to pay any attention at all is to look for the opportunities that the propaganda might lead to.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
I think Biden’s sanctions created a Russia-China partnership that will change the economic dynamic. How long before BRICS have a real competitor to the petrodollar?

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