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Ridiculous Amazon Share Price Expectations Will Reduce Employee Annual Pay

Amazon share price current and expected at 15 percent appreciation rates, chart by Mish

Stock-heavy compensation plan means Amazon employees will receive 15% to 50% below projected pay targets.

The Wall Street Journal reports Amazon Corporate Workers Face Pay Reduction After Shares Slip

Amazon pays its corporate employees a large chunk of their annual salaries in restricted stock units, and a prolonged slump in the company’s shares is causing pay for 2023 to be between 15% and 50% lower than the projected targets Amazon gave to employees, some of the people said. 

Amazon has historically given less base-pay compensation to employees than its big-tech peers but made up the difference with stock awards that vest over several years. Employees say the longer an Amazon employee stays with the company, the more their compensation can depend on stock awards, with stocks making up 50% or more of total income for some. 

Price Appreciation Expectation

When Amazon issues restricted stock units to employees, it is predicated on the longstanding assumption shared in compensation conversations that Amazon’s shares would appreciate at least 15% each year, the people said.

Nonsensical Expectations

I’m sorry, but 15 percent forever into the future is total nonsense.

Nothing grows at 15 percent forever. Moreover, those expectations kept growing despite a share price that reflected 15 percent appreciation all the way to 2030.

At 15 percent annual appreciation starting in 2010, the share price on January 1, 2023 would have been $41.29. Instead, and after a 50 percent plunge it was at $84.00.

Starting Points Matter

Starting points matter greatly. Starting in 2010, Amazon may have been one of perhaps a handful of companies that could deliver 15 percent appreciation for a couple of decades. 

But guess what. That would put the 2030 price at about $110. It’s at $97.20 as I type. Zero percent gains or even losses by 2030 would not surprise me at all. 

Starting in 2021, at 15 percent annual gains, the share price would have been $571 and Amazon would have had a market cap close to $6 trillion. 

What a hoot. 

Amazon Monthly Support Levels 

Amazon monthly chart courtesy of StockCharts.com, annotations by Mish

Amazon Technically Speaking 

Technically speaking, Amazon did a nice bounce at strong support at the $80 level. Next monthly support is at $65.20 and it is weak (only a pair of candles). 

A decline to the $50 level, which I expect, would be a 73 percent decline from the top, not at all unusual or unexpected for a technology bear market.

Understanding the Fed’s Bubble Blowing Role

In an effort to boost inflation (did you forget the Fed did that), the Fed again slashed interest rates to zero and held them there too long.

The Fed did this three times in the past 20 years resulting in several bubbles in housing and the stock market.

Case-Shiller Home Price Index

For discussion of the above chart, please see Home Prices Falling But Remain Very High, San Francisco Negative From Year Ago

How the Fed Messes With People’s Lives From a Mortgage Rate Perspective

I discussed Fed’s role in the housing market and its role in inflation earlier today.

Please see How the Fed Messes With People’s Lives From a Mortgage Rate Perspective for discussion and many charts.  

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Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
I never consider RSUs during salary negotiations. Too many ways for the suits to game what you actually end up getting. Have hurt some feelings this way, but it’s never cost me an offer. I’m just a bird-in-the-hand kinda guy.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
I don’t think their retail business is profitable any more. All their profits are from AWS. Long term, I think AWS is going to be a low growth low margin business.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Yep.
Buying Whole Foods??
If that is the best use of their capital … tells you all you need to know.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
US and Europe are China best customers. China, Russia and Iran bullies us. Their economy is knocked out. Russia sell oil to China and India at a discount. Iran compete with Russia, barter with China and Russia. Iran econ is in dire shape. She became an enslaved nation in the
China silk road. China became too aggressive, a Martingale gambler, risking too much. Shi might be deposed. His silk road might crumble in the next financial crisis. King dollar will get stronger, survived the SCO threats….
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
For 60Y US protect European nations. NATO protect US dollar and the neo industry. We never had so many friends across the globe. If NATO dissolve the dollar will plunge. There will be bond massacre like never before. Gasoline cpi will cannibalize rent cpi. Amazon and Dollar General will become a nightmare. They will punish the poor in the flyover. Anna Schwartz never saw it coming
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
Reminds me of Microsoft employees that started in 1985. You became rich. If you started Microsoft in 1999, your stock bonus was zip and your salary was your income.
Amazon employees should expect the same.
Unless of course Temu gets the Fed to start dropping helicopter money so the consumer can start shopping like billionaires.
Temu’s commercial summed up the 2023 economy. No fundamentals, just shop till you drop.
Maybe the US relations with China and Russia is causing the consumer to shop like there is no tomorrow.
Always Rember…..
“A penny saved is a penny wasted.”
jiminy
jiminy
3 years ago
Reply to  Sunriver
A penny saved is equal to two pennies earned because of taxes.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Sunriver
If you can only save pennies then you have made a serious career path error somewhere.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
ANOTHER example of how the employee class of humans get played by their betters. it’s always a stark difference in a man who has been an owner versus an employee for decades. btw i remember like it was yesterday when bezos declared a moratorium on earnings. in the late 90s all the nit wit traders i was near lost their shirts shorting amazon forever.
Cowpoke
Cowpoke
3 years ago
I accepted a Job last summer with their AWS division, got a $50,000 sign on bonus paid weekly over two years (almost $500 a week extra). Plus $50,000 in RSU grants vested over four years. I doubt I’ll stay the four years. Looking to jump in a year and a half after the sign on bonus runs out. I’m hourly and get OT, but they limit us to 59 hours a week. Great money, decent working conditions, but not a place for me to retire from.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Blame Satya. AMZN Backbone #1 : Nov 27/Dec 4 2017, BB #2 : Jan 29/Feb 5 2018, BB #3 : June 18/25 2018, BB #4 : Apr 13/20 2020, BB #5 : July 13/20 2020. AMZN bubble was pricked by a Lazer coming from : June 2010 to Jan 2015 lows/ parallel from Dec 2013 high.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Employees say the longer an Amazon employee stays with the company, the
more their compensation can depend on stock awards, with stocks making
up 50% or more of total income for some.
Isn’t that because the stock has soared around 1000% in that time-frame and the option strike price is still $5 or $10? I don’t feel sorry for any long time Amazon employees with stock options.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
Newly hire corporate employees have to be really worried. First the value of their shares plunge, and now there is the possibility of downsizing before shares vest. Amazon better have a severance package that includes the loss of vested shares.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Since corporate generally specializes in screwing over the lower echelons, think Kmart when they convinced the workers to take a pay cut so they could keep the doors open and then took the money and gave it to the top brass then declared their first bankruptcy, I kind of like this. Especially since it’s going to affect the jerks at the top the most. I would never work in their warehouses!
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
sandy weill used to make all the nitwit employees of his and convince even more to voluntarily take deferred pay in stock. he hit the bid on those shares with his annual stock bonuses in the hundreds of millions when not everyone on the planet was a millionaire. circa early 90s.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
“with stocks making up 50% or more of total income for some.”
Ouch.
Will Going Postal morph into Going Amazon??
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
It has been said that lickable stamps were the chief cause of psychotic breakdowns in the Postal Office. Anyone else notice how they no longer sell lickable stamps???? Amazon will be a good double blind test.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Everybody looked miserable when I interviewed there five years ago. Can’t imagine it’s gotten better since…
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Amazon drivers would be better off driving garbage trucks picking up the Amazon waste cardboard and packaging in Everywhere, USA.

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