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Risk of Global Recession in 2023 Rises Amid Simultaneous Rate Hikes

World Bank chart on tightening fiscal stance

Super Thursday Actions

The Wall Street Journal reports Interest-Rate Hikes Come Thick and Fast 

  • Switzerland: Raised rates by 0.75 point to 0.5%, making it one of the last central banks to exit negative territory.
  • U.K.: The Bank of England raised its key rate by 0.5 point to 2.25%, and will start selling some of its bond holdings.
  • Norway: Increased rates by 0.5 point to 2.25%.
  • Indonesia: Raised its benchmark rate by 0.5 percentage point to 4.25%.
  • Taiwan: Moved its discount rate up by 0.125 point to 1.625%.
  • The Philippines: Upped its benchmark overnight borrowing rate by half a point to 4.25%.
  • South Africa: Took the main repo rate up 0.75 point to 6.25%.
  • Japan: The Bank of Japan kept its benchmark rate at minus 0.1%. Tokyo later intervened to shore up the yen.
  • Turkey: Cut its main rate by 1 percentage point to 12%, continuing its contrarian easing campaign.

Risk of Global Recession in 2023 Rises Amid Simultaneous Rate Hikes

The World Bank says Risk of Global Recession in 2023 Rises Amid Simultaneous Rate Hikes

Central banks around the world have been raising interest rates this year with a degree of synchronicity not seen over the past five decades—a trend that is likely to continue well into next year, according to the report. Yet the currently expected trajectory of interest-rate increases and other policy actions may not be sufficient to bring global inflation back down to levels seen before the pandemic. Investors expect central banks to raise global monetary-policy rates to almost 4 percent through 2023—an increase of more than 2 percentage points over their 2021 average.

Unless supply disruptions and labor-market pressures subside, those interest-rate increases could leave the global core inflation rate (excluding energy) at about 5 percent in 2023—nearly double the five-year average before the pandemic, the study finds. To cut global inflation to a rate consistent with their targets, central banks may need to raise interest rates by an additional 2 percentage points, according to the report’s model. If this were accompanied by financial-market stress, global GDP growth would slow to 0.5 percent in 2023—a 0.4 percent contraction in per–capita terms that would meet the technical definition of a global recession.

“Global growth is slowing sharply, with further slowing likely as more countries fall into recession. My deep concern is that these trends will persist, with long-lasting consequences that are devastating for people in emerging market and developing economies,” said World Bank Group President David Malpass. “To achieve low inflation rates, currency stability and faster growth, policymakers could shift their focus from reducing consumption to boosting production. Policies should seek to generate additional investment and improve productivity and capital allocation, which are critical for growth and poverty reduction.”

The study highlights the unusually fraught circumstances under which central banks are fighting inflation today. Several historical indicators of global recessions are already flashing warnings. The global economy is now in its steepest slowdown following a post-recession recovery since 1970. Global consumer confidence has already suffered a much sharper decline than in the run-up to previous global recessions. The world’s three largest economies—the United States, China, and the euro area—have been slowing sharply. Under the circumstances, even a moderate hit to the global economy over the next year could tip it into recession.

Is a Global Recession Imminent? 

The World Bank Report ponders the question Is a Global Recession Imminent? 

  • Kenneth Rogoff, April 26, 2022: The odds of recession in Europe, the United States, and China are significant and increasing, and a collapse in one region will raise the odds of collapse in the others… The risks of a global recession trifecta are rising by the day.
  • Jeffrey Frankel, August 25, 2022: A global recession is entirely avoidable… Even by laxer criteria like GDP growth below 2.5 percent, global recession is very far from inevitable. 
  • Anne O. Krueger, August 25, 2022: Whether the balance of risks is toward inflation, recession, or a smooth landing from current turbulence depends on unknowns such as the duration of the Ukraine war… …. But a global recession is certainly not inevitable. 
  • Jim O’Neill, August 25, 2022: If these two economies (the US and China) are both in their respective versions of recession, then that will virtually guarantee a global downturn. Given their current weaknesses and challenges, such a scenario is quite possible… But I am less convinced of this than I probably was a few months ago… 
  • Stephen S. Roach, August 25, 2022: Notwithstanding the pitfalls of forecasting anything these days, my cracked and worn crystal ball sees a global recession occurring in the next year…. Collectively, Europe, the US, and China make up about half of world GDP on a purchasing-power-parity basis. With no other economy able to fill the void, I am afraid a global recession does indeed appear inevitable

Global Recession Definition

There is no consensus on the definition of a global recession. 

Some economists suggest anything under 2.5 percent growth, some use per-capita growth, some mean declining real GDP. 

Fantasyland Projections vs the Inevitable

Jeffrey Frankel is in pure Fantasyland believing 2.5 percent growth is possible. Roach is undoubtedly correct.

China is in the midst of an imploding property bubble. Europe will have a severe recession due to a war-related energy crisis, and the US consumer is struggling under the weight of Fed rate hikes and a housing crash.

First we had unprecedented fiscal and monetary stimulus. Now we have unprecedented monetary tightening but still loose fiscal conditions. 

The Real Question

In general, central bankers shifted from the stern to the bow and back again, in unprecedented amounts, hoping first to cause inflation, now to stop it.

When does this central bank massive flip-flopping cause a global currency crisis?

That’s the real question because a major global recession is inevitable. 

Meanwhile, we have wildly optimistic Fed forecasts. 

Examining Fed GDP Projections For 2022 and 2023

Please consider Wildly Optimistic Forecasts: Examining Fed GDP Projections For 2022 and 2023

100% of Fed participants expect no less than an all-time GDP high in the 4th quarter! The median expectation is greater.

The Fed is not making predictions, the Fed is making Fantasyland wishes.

What an incredulous hoot.

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RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“Central banks cut in unison in response to Covid. They are now hiking in unison. What can go wrong?”
What happens when the economy is locked down? All kinds of records that never happened before. GOVERNMENT lockdowns created a tremendous disturbance in the force, as Obi would say. There was absolutely no need for it. Covid was treatable. Early treatment was obstructed for an agenda. That deliberate agenda has screwed up the world economy and turned people’s lives upside down.
Where is the accountability?
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Where is the accountability?
You are right, who was President at the time?
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Whoo told the president to lock down the economy? Dr. Birx.
Dr. Birx then did everything she could, to get two weeks to bend the curve, extended indefinitely. Trump wanted the economy open by Easter and relented to the so called exert, Dr. Birx.
Trump promoted Hydroxychloroquine, which actually does have good efficacy against Covid-19. Dr. Bright worked to get it obstructed, by placing an EUA, restricting it to in hospital only.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
An EUA is only for unapproved drugs. HCQ was an FDA approved drug, which any doctor was free to prescribe off label, if they thought it might help the patient. Dr. Zelenko used HCQ+zinc it to good success in the deadliest phase of Covid.
It was the Covid vax that needed an EUA and HCQ stood in the way, along with Ivermectin, Fluvoxamine and Budesonide. That is why they were blocked from use.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
So you are saying we didn’t have any real leadership during that time frame. Who should be held accountable? Who is the ultimate authority?
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Who were the heads of the FDA/CDC/NIH?
Dr. Bright colluded with Janet Woodcock to obstruct HCQ.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Who do those people work for? Who has oversight? Who ultimately screwed you? Try to be intellectually honest with yourself.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
I am being intellectually honest.
The CDC/FDA/NIH are partly funded by the pharma companies. Aduhelm does not work, but was approved by the FDA. Regulatory capture.
HCQ and Ivermectin are safe FDA approved drugs from decades ago. Yet i was told they were dangerous to use against Covid and didn’t work. Both drugs are anti-viral, however. 90 positive studies on Ivermectin, alone. None of Dr. Zelenko’s patients died from taking HCQ. He used safe dosing. The FLCCC used safe dosing for IVM.
“Show me the incentive and i will show you the outcome.” The incentive was to obstruct off patent drugs that worked, as the big money was in the repeat Covid shots and new expensive Covid drugs.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
i am the penultimate authority.
But I was busy with something else.
Sorry.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Trump. And then when it became clear covid hysteria was way overblown and the vaccines weren’t effective, Biden forced vaccines and continued lockdowns.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Mish,
Any idea to what degree the dollar strength will reduce US CPI?
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
“Past performance is not indicative of future returns”
Just say’in. 😉
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
True but jumbo crashes like this only come once every decade or so. Best time to make money on the way down and up.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago

The distributed lag
effect of long-term money flows, the volume and velocity of money, the proxy
for inflation, is exactly 24-months (and has been for over a century).

During
the GFC, bank credit peaked on 10/22/2008 @ $9245., then bottomed on 3/24/2010
@ $8602., and didn’t exceed the prior peak until 2/1/2012 @ $9249.

Bank
credit may have just peaked on 8/24/2022 @ $17333. Stagflation will be with us for a while.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Does that “exactly 24 months” start on the first of the month?
Exactly?
Esclaro
Esclaro
3 years ago
Recession? No. It is going to be a depression. The DXY is up over 112 today on its way to 120. The two decade high in the USD is the story that no one is talking about. Yet when it causes a world wide economic catastrophe people will say it was a black swan event lol. We are on the eve of destruction.
oee
oee
3 years ago
You have been claiming that the US is in recession now. Now you claim it is going to be in 2023. As the saying goes, Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  oee
“The World Bank says the risk of global recession rises in 2023 amid simultaneous rate hikes” Mish was quoting the World Bank.
phil
phil
3 years ago
I watch and read, and never post. I don’t know enough and feel pretty stupid, and you are are so smart on macro stuff, and all the complicated trades that fetches folks posting huge amounts of money, but they still find the time to post, as a generosity to the poorer readers who are are mesmerized,
–but: I watch five of the largest economies (in Europe) in the world getting torpedoed, and the best was Mish saying Fed hiking ‘until something breaks’. It seems obvious to me, that we’re heading into a depression.
–minor note: I read a phrase recently about sentiment being ‘coincident’ with the market direction. Personally, I wouldn’t be surprise to see ‘shock’ collapses in the market, a la 2020. Max fear moments. Wait for unrest to start in Europe.
–let’s add Italian sovereign debt, and the EU ‘coming apart’ and the German economy suicide (it never ends, every 50 years they do something – like 50 year cicadas)
–supply chain ongoing disaster, and the cost of moving it out of you know where, if that’s happening
–underlying reason for inflation – energy costs, which won’t change, and that will really take off when Xi gives up on the covid clamp-down
–then the non-wealth effect, everywhere. I’ve been on the side lines, and it’s amazing to see prices for ADBE, CRM, etc. ad infinitum. I recall someone, either here or another place, saying 330 for ADBE would be the worst case. Haha! It ain’t started. We’re in the second inning.
–the disastrous real estate and other systemic issues in China, but the bright spot may be that Xi & Co will stop sabre rattling. I don’t know, but they must be re-thinking the Taiwan take-over stupidity
I have lots of cash. I am waiting, though I will nip up small amounts along the way as we descend. And critically, have a feel for ‘when things break’.
Mish: ‘when things break’ was a beautiful way to put it. Shakespearian. We’ll see what this is, and when it happens.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  phil
Thanks Phil
Please stick around and feel free to comment.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  phil
It’s hard to make money when you’re smart and there are an abundance of idiot investors with lots of money.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Find something you can sell to the idiot investors.
Even if it’s just a blog.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
You want to buy Mish’s blog?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Only if Mish immediately starts another blog for us.
Water, shelter, food, Mish Talk.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
So, the investors who are making lots of money are the idiots, while the smart ones are losing money? Is that right?
I’m guessing that you must be one of the “smart” ones.
Lol!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  phil
Hi phil. You sound a lot smarter than many of the people who comment here. Don’t sell yourself short.
There are some sophisticated investors here who are kind enough to share their opinions. I share my opinions as well, though I am not sophisticated like some of the others. But I am learning more as I go.
There are also some folks here who seem to despise those of us who share our investment opinions. Apparently, they think they know better; yet they will never share what they are investing in. I assume that they are afraid of being criticized, by others just like them. Fortunately, you can hit the IGNORE button on these negative nellies so you never have to see their posts again. I do that for a lot of the useless commenters here. I only have so much time, and I don’t want to waste it on the likes of them.
Good luck with your investments. Feel free to post what you are investing in. The more of us who share this info, the better.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Never thought of anyone here as despicable.
Deplorable, perhaps a few.
But there’s still hope.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
If you are going to try to put words in my mouth, I will simply hit the Ignore button on you. I did not call people despicable. And if you try to tell me that because I used the word despise, it means I am calling people despicable, I will Ignore you as well.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
The Russian Energy Ministry has asked nearly 100% of male energy workers to present themselves at recruitment offices In a bid to boost the number of soldiers fighting in Ukraine.
For Russia’s oil and gas industry, the move that would see a large number of workers repurposed to serve in the military has the potential to decimate its capabilities through a sudden depletion of its workforce.
The letter comes as Russian President Vladimir Putin issued what he referred to as a partial mobilization of reservists to beef up Russia’s forces in Ukraine by 300,000 men. It is Russia’s largest conscription drive since WWII, according to Reuters.
As of 2020, Russia had 2.5 million people employed in the fuel and energy sector, according to Statista data. Russia’s crude oil and condensate production was 10.76 million bpd as of July, according to the Rosstat statistics office.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Now that the Fed has done its dirty deed and raised rates, I fully expect a bear rally…people will get excited, open champagne bottles and proclaim ‘the market is back’ but it will be a short reprieve. Bear rallies are a good time to buy long puts or and sell covered calls. The pattern will appear….bear rally, decline, bear rally, decline….all the way down to the bottom. Sadly, i think this will include energy stocks but you know that already.
Of course, if nukes go off, trading halt and then a drop off a cliff, including energy. Puts = Insurance. Oh and your comment seems very inflationary to me.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Short term (day to day) is impossible to call. Thats why I day trade a portion of my portfolio.
Long term, I agree that growth will be slow and inflation will be high. Energy stocks will get hit in a big market drop. But they will hold up well in the long run. After all, much of the inflation and economic weakness is because of high energy prices.
As mentioned recently, I have been adding to my cash position
I expect the next few months to be extra volatile.
radar
radar
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Do you have any thoughts on if OPEC will lower production to support the price as they stated a few weeks back or was it a bluff?
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  radar
Anything is possible, though I am not expecting them to announce major cuts. They are already woefully short on their production targets. 3.5 mbpd short last month. Global inventories continue to drop, even with SPR releases, which will be ending soon.
As I have said many times, this is a long term story. But in the short term, there is always volatility. Particularly since the financial market for oil dwarfs the physical market 50:1. And the financial market is very negative right now. However, in the long run, the physical market wins out.
It is because of volatility that you cannot over commit to any single position. (As I have mentioned before, oil stocks are my favourite investment right now, and represent 60% of my stock portfolio, but only 15% of my wealth.)
You can also trade the volatility if you have the stomach for it. I do that as well.
radar
radar
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Thank you Dave.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Bullish for cheap Geiger counters and potassium iodide pills.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Yes, Putin is obviously so stupid that he would destroy the oil industry currently bringing in vast amounts of cash in order to get a little more canon-fodder for the war.
Don’t believe everything you read in Western media. Or indeed, anything.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Your interpretation is ridiculous. Even if he took 250,000 workers away for the war, that is only one in ten. Which might slow Russian oil production, but it certainly would not “destroy” it. How do you jump to such silly conclusions?
And:
The announcement was from Russia’s Ministry of Defence.
In addition:
According to a ministry statement, employees of IT, communication, media, and financial companies that have strategic importance are exempt.
Finally, I do not believe everything I read; particularly in the comment section of this blog; it is full of people who post a lot of incorrect garbage.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Inquiring minds want to know why would Putin call up energy workers in particular? Other than they are many in number and a lot are not working 100% because of the shutdown. Of course, domestically, energy is still an essential service, so perhaps they are training reservists in defending their facilities.
Interestingy, the actual document issued to Russia’s fourth largest oil producer, Surgutneftegaz, instructs them “to subpoena reservists who are employed by the producer, to attend the exercises.” T
FYI, the exercises are annual, and held in in the company’s home city of Surgut, West Siberia, between 26 September and 10 October.
I hope your investment research is more thorough.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Ongoing research shows there is more to the mobilization, mostly how it is being carried out. Preparing for war is the generally held opinion, yet why would Putin risk the workers essential to Russia’s most important industry? Using reservists for home defense releases full-time forces for foreign operations. The last place energy workers should be used is on the front line. Training them for defense of energy facilities is my guess.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
“I hope your investment research is more thorough.”
You might be familiar with Realist/Imgreen/Mpo45/papadave repeatedly advising to buy oil at the highs.
-Oils not going below $100
-Oils not going below $100
-Oils not going below $100
-repeated by Realist/Imgreen/Mpo45/papadave like a thousand times on this board.
Realist truly reminds me of a bullboard scam artist.
This is a true story. Back in the day, I followed a number of biotechs. One company in particular was a cancer scam yet posters would post relentlessly how they were buying and were going to become bazillionaires. And of course you had the multi alias con artists. They would buy and buy and buy. I actually went over a posters history of when he was saying he was buying, eg I bought 10,000 shares, I bought 5000 shares and the cost they day they claimed they bought the shares.
At the end of it, I posted it all on the board and told the poster, hey idiot, your down $250,000, a quarter of a million dollars. And all during the time he was buying of course he was stating dont sell, dont sell. Then he changed his tune and all of a sudden claiming oh, I also have trading shares.
Now Realist/imgreen/mpo45/papadave comes out today claiming he has been trading this whole time. Realist claims to be a genius making tons of money trading, Oh yeah, Realist was relentlessly claiming oils not going below$100. Go figure.
Multi alias scam artist Realist no doubt plied his trade on the bullboards also, who knows, maybe Realist was that idiot who lost the quarter million on the cancer scam?
radar
radar
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
What I remember Realist saying is he believed oil would average $80 this year, $90 next year and then $100 after that.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Most of the commenters here are familiar with the operation of pump-and-dump schemes, be they fast moving or slower. And some of the broken-record comments here are read more for amusement than for advice.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
All males in the U.S. have to register. Time is just ticking away until the next call up. With the mandatory Covid shots and woke agenda, recruitment is falling short of goals.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
All males? What? No age restrictions? How about all the veterans in wheelchairs? Or those in hospitals? Were you called up? Or did you just volunteer because you are such a patriot? Good for you.
Robbyrob
Robbyrob
3 years ago
More intelligent individuals tend to hold more radical economic views. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289622000800
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Robbyrob
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Robbyrob
I like the dot-plot studies of political opinions (intelligence-> x-axis, political extremism-> y-axis), with my morning coffee.
They give me trust in humanity.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Robbyrob
In my experience, more intelligent people hold more radical views on just about everything. Since intelligence is primarily the ability to discern ‘patterns’, I suspect they see the world quite differently. They tend to appear as cognitively restricted, while the opposite is generally true.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
Central banks sort of have to raise rates simultaneously to avoid turning the post COVID bubble into a cascade of popping bubbles in one country and inflating bubbles in remaining countries as investors seek safe havens. In that domino situation, currencies would also inflate and then crash.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
The other banks have to raise rates to defend their currencies. What’s happening right now is a stark and vivid demonstration of what happens when you’re tied to the dollar. The same would be true if, for instance, the euro or the pound or the yuan was the reserve. The non-dollar economies are on the hook to come up with dollars to service their debts and to buy many if not most commodities, starting with oil.

If the dollar loses its reserve status and we have to fund our debt in some other reserve, Americans would be deeply humiliated and angry. We’d be looking for alternatives, and I think that’s exactly what the BRICs are doing as we speak. I fully realize that people have been predicting the dollar’s demise for a long time. I don’t think the dollar will be replaced any time soon, but the handwriting is now on the wall, in neon.

Siliconguy
Siliconguy
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
“If the dollar loses its reserve status and we have to fund our debt in some other reserve, Americans would be deeply humiliated and angry”
The basic plot of The Mandibles by Lionel Shriver. I’m reading it now. One of the characters is an economist who keeps insisting that what is happening all around him can’t happen. 🙂
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
Negative real interest rates should not happen either, since lenders must act irrationally–it is not in their best interest to pay someone to borrow from them. The result of negative interest rates should be a (massive) wealth transfer from people who save to those who borrow. Instead, faux debt ‘creates’ money as future obligations. Without actual production of goods and services creating a surplus of money after consumption, prices must increase. Those who say Ukraine and Covid caused inflation are wrong. It was there all along in stocks, bonds, and real estate, thanks to the Fed.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Negative real rates of interest are due to the FED’s policies. When savings were driven out of the banks by the FDIC in Dec. 2012 the real rate of interest surged. That was because of a simultaneous deceleration in monetary flows, and a decline in inflation in spite of QE3. And then Janet Yellen blundered by raising administered rates of interest in Dec. 2015 (by looking at employment rates).
Because banks don’t lend deposits (which causes secular stagnation), the FED is forced to follow an easier money policy. Since the DIDMCA of March 31st 1980 (which turned the nonbanks into banks), it has taken increasing infusions of Reserve Bank credit to generate the same inflation adjusted dollar amounts of gDp.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Well actually it is thanks to the US House of Representatives who require the US Treasury to borrow on the credit of the US to bring debt into existence. The Fed simply creates money to buy what the US Treasury requires be bought and no more. Then the Fed mucks about with interest rates by buying and selling what is already out there.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Not sure why you assume there must be a global reserve currency.
For example:
Why should there need to be a conversion to USD when transferring money between Egyptian pounds and Kuwaiti dinars?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Agree 100%, however, timing is the issue. It could take years, or months–largely depending on how the BRICs press for an alternative.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
China has not surpassed the US and will not do anytime soon. I do not buy this purchasing power parity nonsense.
WSJ Sept 2.
China’s Economy Won’t Overtake the U.S., Some Now Predict
“Until recently, many economists assumed China’s gross domestic product measured in U.S. dollars would surpass that of the U.S. by the end of the decade, capping what many consider to be the most extraordinary economic ascent ever.”
It did not happen, and won’t any time soon, perhaps a decade or more.
I think I will do a post on this.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
And how would we ever know since few trust any data that comes out and would it matter anyway? Most businesses in China are essentially an extension of the government. There was a great documentary called The China Hustle which documents that essentially China stock listings are mostly scams.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
PPP is not nonsense. it’s a great tried and true way to compare people’s lifestyles from country to country. even state to state and within states. 100k per annum in nyc is just scraping by for instance. in rural upstate NY it’s a great income.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
It’s nonsense in that is not how economists generally compare things
We do not adjust GDP out of California vs Illinois on a PPP basis
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
MIsh, we probably should.
More folks would leave Illinois.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
I used to rely on the Big Mac index. But now that MacD has pulled out of Russia that’s gone. It’s as bad as losing the Libor Rate. 😉
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
That China got to where it is, since Clinton signed Most Favored Nation, is remarkable. Whether it surpasses the US in the future will largely depend on innovation rates, motivation, and national intelligence. Woke education, government handouts, uncontrolled immigration, declining IQ, high taxes… place the US at a distinct disadvantage.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The American representative democracy also puts the US at a disadvantage.
Nothing wrong with democracy, it’s the current American implementation that’s the problem.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
China produces stuff for 1.4 billion people and has a huge trade surplus. The US has 25% of their population and has a huge trade deficit.
Maybe this is accurately shown in GDP calculations. Maybe not. But clearly China produces a lot more than the US does.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
They seem to ignore that the U.S. is also growing, and U.S. growth is considerably more real than Chinese growth.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
The dollar is held out as a “safe haven,” but what just happened? “The West” confiscated at least half a trillion of Russia’s dollars. If I’m Brazil, China, Pakistan, or India, I’m not sure how “safe” I’d regard the dollar. For the time being there isn’t a realistic alternative, but that can change.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
It matters for China, but those other countries are deficit countries so they aren’t accumulating any dollar reserves or what they have is insignificant anyway and could be pledged against their debts sort of like what Russia is doing.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Not just dollar reserves; China is buying the US. I often get calls to sell property from Chinese investment companies.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
People think foreign countries accumulate USD reserves because they value them. But the reality is the vast majority of USD reserves are a consequence of countries purposely sinking their currency in forex.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
If anything ends up dethroning the dollar, this is what will do it. Nothing’s going to happen quickly, but the BRICs will eventually wise up. I cannot predict that (take your pick of alternatives) will become the new global reserve, nor do I think a gold standard will happen. What I think we will see is a lot more bartering and bilateral deals. That’ll be the start of it, anyway. Where it goes from there is anyone’s guess.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Problem with dethroning the dollar is what do surplus countries do? For countries running a deficit, it doesn’t matter what the reserve currency is since they can as you noted, barter or do deals in any currency.
But surplus countries (Germany, China) must accumulate *something* in their trades. If it’s not dollars then it’s gold (gold standard) or oil (oil standard) or raw materials (China was accumulating large amounts of copper and steel and still is) or even foreign property. Many items are not fungible or don’t store easily. So for the dollar to be dethroned the surplus countries have to decide to accumulate something else and be willing to accumulate very large amounts of it.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Excess funds do not need to be one particular type of asset located in one particular location..
Why is there a need for one reserve – funds can be all the things you mention.
Most likely best reserves would be held in currencies of neighbouring countries or other trading partners, mixed in with other assets and commodities.
Why does a country half way around the world need or want to hold USD?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack
Because it’s a consequence of devaluing their currency in forex. China and Japan didn’t accumulate USD reserves because they thought it was a safe haven asset. They did it to make their exports more competitive. They were effectively willing to sell for less so they could build up their industries. China and Japan probably view their USD holding as worthless.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
What you wrote here is a bit unclear.
Countries devalue their currency by selling their own currency (increase supply which causes value to fall), not by accumulating foreign currencies. Accumulating foreign currency is a function of trade imbalance.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack
While countries can do what you suggested (hold a basket of goodies) the problem becomes one of logistics. Moving money around is just pressing a number on a keyboard and it all happens electronically and there is a nice clean ledger/trail of what’s where and it happens instantly.
Imagine collecting a big basket of copper or oil etc. First you have transportation costs (to your country), then storage costs, then transportation costs again (to another country or whomever you send it to). This means there is a cost associated with your commodity that isn’t there with money and even if it’s just 1-2% of the total value to transport/store it means you lose 1-2% of the value of the item and there is a time lag involved for transporting. It’s highly inefficient and it’s also hard to maintain a nice ledger/trail (you have to regularly audit the physical goods).
That’s why countries like to hold money over even gold (which is just another commodity). Holding money of neighboring countries makes you vulnerable to their money in the same way they currently are vulnerable to US dollars. There is risk of devaluation, political instability etc in all those countries money just like there is in US dollars. The US is considered the lowest risk politically/devaluation wise etc which is why countries like US dollars over other currencies. This is also one of the reasons bitcoin and other crypto’s are hailed as the future since they have a ledger already and transport instantly etc.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
As you note, the problems with accumulating commodities and property are many. If not a faux currency (or easily traded and price-stable stocks/bonds), then what? There is only one choice; gold.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Gold has its own problems. It needs to be transported and stored both of which have costs involved.
Also gold is nothing more than another commodity. Accumulating any commodity in LARGE amounts causes its price to rise making each successive Oz of gold more expensive. Then if/when you try to sell, the reverse happens and each Oz you sell makes your remaining Oz worth less. So while it’s theoretically a stable store of value, the truth is that if a country tried to accumulate it on a trade imbalance scale (tens or hundreds of billions) it would not be a stable store anymore.
The Hunt brothers trying to corner the Silver market is the classic example of what happens.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Bartering and bilateral deals are essentially self-limiting. Plus barrels of oil, ore, grains etc require a lot of storage. That gold standard might well happen for international transactions if the BRICs start doing it, and it functions better than $US, with less volatility (unlikely for a while) and risk.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
USD will be dethroned when countries decide exporting to the US at a discount is not a high priority.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
fed no doubt is serious. this inflationary period most resembles the post ww2 situation. it will be over in another couple of years. NO recession. the old saying is true. a recession is when your neighbors loses her job, and a depression when Thou loses her job. that ain’t happening. jobs are plentiful. so plentiful the “kids” are half assing it.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Job availability can change rapidly. Back in the Y2K days, we went from a huge shortage of IT workers to a huge surplus in a few months.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
There is no consensus on the definition of a global recession.
Correct but there is consensus on the definition of inflation and it’s a huge mess out there.
I think the fed will keep increasing right up to where they said they will or close to it, they have too to get a handle on inflation. Exciting times, this is what makes a market…place your bets.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Pity I missed yesterday’s Putin related, and judging by the over 200 reactions ,very popular, article , I did comment there a while ago, but nobody gonna read it by now ….so allow me to express my latest impressions about the ongoing geopolitical situation. The latest, too generous, prisoners swap by Russia, kind of puzzles me , unlike what moronic msm is trying to tell us , diplomacy is still working busily behind the scenes, it might be wishful thinking of mine, yet I think a solution is finally in the makings ; Ukraine does not want to lose another 100K ‘soldiers’ , risking a ‘nuke’ one on Kiev on top of that , even the clueless EU circus must begin to realise by now what exactly is at stake, and as far as criminal NATO s concerned , even arrogant idiots like them will finally come to the conclusion you can t fool around with Russia unless you want to risk ‘everything’ ….Well lets hope I am right and common sense finally prevails leaving behind insane unipolar power hungry policy wielded by the US=Nato in recent decades……….I sincerely hope….
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Perhaps there are those in Russia who do not like what Putin is doing and sending signals like the prisoner swap. Equally the new head of the Russian space program is cooperating with the US and sending a US astronaut in a Soyuz and with plans for the US to launch with a Russian cosmonaut, Anna Kikina, in the next SpaceX launch to the station. Some people there are planning for the après-Putin era.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
There are most definitely many in Russia who don’t approve of what’s going on in the Ukraine just like there are many in the West that don’t like our interfering there either.
Problem is that those who are against the war on both sides are not in political power so can not do much besides extend whatever olive branches they can where they can.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
To me it appears Putin is open to ending the war, but the US is against it. Typical. We don’t care if people over there suffer. Similar to our stance in Syria.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
IMHO, this war is to be won by swaying public opinion, particularly with an election on the way (2024).
Western media has pushed evil-Putin/bad-Russia and good-Zelensky/poor-Ukraine to the limit. Ergo, good will triumph over evil and Ukraine will be victorious.
Actual reports from the battlefield do not substantiate the narrative more than minimally. Even the US military has contradicted some reports, and others have been retracted when proven false.
Now, we have Russia urging a referendum to determine the Dondas future. Ukraine is threatening severe punishment for anyone who votes. It suggests Putin has strategic capacity and insight superior to President Cluster Fudge.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Russia wants the referendum so they can officially claim Donbas has joined Russia so when (not if) they use nukes, it will be in self defense of their country. Plausible deniability at it’s best.
Meanwhile Ukraine looks like a petty dictatorship by threatening 5+ years jail time for anyone who votes. What are they gonna do if 100K people vote, open a concentration camp for 5 years and put 100K people in it? It’s a clear sign you are not a democracy when you have to threaten political dissent with long term jail time.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
It looks as if Zelensky played right into Putin’s hand, doesn’t it? I wonder if ‘jail dissenters’ was President Cluster Fudge’s idea–he is a foreign policy expert, after all.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Putin last week stated he was leaning, not to extend the deal to allow ships to leave Ukraine in the Black Sea!!!
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
You must have been smoking some good stuff. It’s only beginning.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
some positive, albeit gullible, thinking occasionally is good for the soul, ain t it ?
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
I think the 2 main goals right now are:
-To prop up the USD so it remains a safe haven for everyone around the world to invest in.
-To keep our economy just above a stagflation state. Where our economy is just barely stronger than 2nd place and where the citizens don’t have much discretionary income.
I think the Fed will go to 4.5% because of this.
The reasons for this is to help fight against a new BRIC’s new global reserve currency and a possible great depression that looms within 8 years due to:
-$31 Trillion in national debt in 8 years will be $54trillion
-99% of the baby boomers(who accounts for 35% of total income tax) will all be retired.
-$9 Trillion/year for SS, Medicare, Medicaid in 8 years
-Aging population & birthrate decline
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Billy
I don’t think your numbers add up to ‘safe haven’. A bankrupt crisis center, maybe.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Emergency ward is the term.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Billy
The problem is that whenever the Fed catches a cold, the developing world gets pneumonia. All the IMF and World Bank’s “restructurings” cannot offset that. The current situation is as vivid as anything I’ve ever seen, by a factor.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Curiously, most people cannot see what is coming down the turnpike, although most people I talk to seem nervous about the future.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Billy
The main goal is to slay inflation in America.
Inflation hits everyone (rich, poor, democrat, republican etc) and it leads to political unrest more than anything else besides high gas prices. It’s also very difficult to get the inflation genie back in the bottle once it’s out because it’s like playing Wack-A-Mole because it starts in commodities, moves to manufacturing then to services then back to commodities or manufacturing as each sector tries to keep up or get ahead of inflation.
I doubt the Fed or US government cares about propping up the US dollar. If anything, the US would like to export more to reduce the deficit which requires a falling dollar, not a rising one. Also no one thought the US dollar was not a safe haven when interest rates were at 0% so why would 3% or 4.5% suddenly change anyone’s mind about it being a safe haven?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Billy
To prop up the USD so it remains a safe haven for everyone around the world to invest in.
This is definitely not a goal of ours. It’s just a consequence of raising rates at a higher rate than our major trading partners. It will end as soon as we stop paying more interest.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
I like your pictures Mish. I have been meaning to tell you that.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Thanks
Link again
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
We do have a global recession now and it really doesn’t matter what we want to call it or the exact date when we entered into it. All three large economic blocks are either in recession or going into it so the drop is self-reinforcing. Europe and China are the big losers while the US scrapes by with a more shallow one. There are significant differences now because we are not in a normal recession brought on by economic imbalances imbalances. We had first the Covid shock with the Ukraine war on its heels which together provoked inflation in goods and services as opposed to assets. This time around we will have (or having) a tight monetary policy plus a loose fiscal policy in the US and Europe. In 2008 we had the opposite and in retrospect we still ended up with a high deficit and weak growth that lasted years so that mixture was a failure. This time around we might end up with opposite results compared to 2008. China is in a black place and I don’t know where they are going. You would think that by now they would have purchased the Covid vaccines, inoculated the population and gotten out from under that cloud but they continue the useless lockdowns.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
The chinese are a crazy species indeed ….not so sure about the western inoculation hype efficiency though, with almost every inoculated body around my ‘uninoculated’ self, getting seriously sick at one point and passing it on to me as if it were a common cold , the same for my unvaxxed 93 old mum, who caught it twice without getting seriously ill …..it sure was a multi billion business, that being the only ‘certainty’ about the vaccination scam….Did you get your 5th one by now ?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
I have three. Never got sick at all. I have a masters in Microbiology so I knew what covid was and how the vaccine operated so I wasn’t worried about taking it. My whole family took it as well as my 98 year old parents and none of us got sick except a daughter who was sick for all of three days.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Despite your master and ‘knowing’ about covid , you could not possibly know about the ‘experiment’ ! Even Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, etc didnt know, therefore contractually refused to accept responsibility for possible side effects ….side effects that caused and keep on causing thousands of victims btw , more than all victims of ALL vaccines applied throughout medical history… Your family s been lucky in other words ….for the time being anyway….
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Perhaps my knowledge of viruses, vaccines and microbial genetics facilitated my understanding of what was happening with covid and the RNA vaccine’s means of protection. I was able to weigh the risks to me and my family in a rational manner. However I understand why some outside the field would see all this as vodoo sorcery so I am not in favor of compulsory vaccination in this case. Let Darwin decide this one.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
It is voodoo sorcery when we are not being told the truth. The Covid shots are not safe. Pfizer lied about Maddie De Garay’s vaccine injury.
Pfizer dropped 5X as many from the vax group, as the placebo. Twice. Deliberately skewing the data. 4X heart attack deaths in the vax group, than the placebo. No autopsies. Hiding the safety signal. The other day, a woman dropped dead 15 minutes after her booster.
VAERS is off the charts because of damage caused by the Covid shots. The CDC finally admitted they were not looking for the safety signals.
Myocarditis in teenagers, who don’t get Myocarditis, was a sore thumb the CDC couldn’t ignore. Safe and effective is a flat out lie and they have known that all along.
BDR45
BDR45
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
I think you are correct. The mRNA “vaccines” may well be the thalidomide of the 21st century, but much more widespread and devastating.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
@PapaDave
Check out the Fed’s rate hike projections from 2014 through 2021
Every forecast for years I said “fade this consensus”
I was finally wrong a year ago.
But I changed my tune after it was clear the Fed was serious.
I am back at it again – The Fed will not get to 4.5%
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Got it. Thanks. Though I did say that I believed what you said about your record from before I started reading the blog.
And I admire you for admitting you were wrong about the Fed for the last year.
As to the future; we will see what happens.
One thing that seems evident to me is that the US is going to be doing better than Europe, China, and Russia going forward.
It is possible that the world economy as a whole will slow to a crawl. However, I am still going to hold on to my core energy portfolio.
It is rare that energy demand drops, even in a recession.
For example, here is some info on natural gas demand:
Since 1965, there have been only 2 years where world demand for natural gas has decreased YOY: 2009, 2020
The Trailing 20 year average annual increases in natural gas consumption:
OECD 1.7%
Non-OECD : 3.4%
Total 2.6%
China: 14%
Middle East: 6%
US: 2%
Canada: 2%
Japan: 2%
Europe: 0.5%
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
“One thing that seems evident to me is that the US is going to be doing better than Europe, China, and Russia going forward.”
I have said that for years as well, knocking people like Peter Schiff and others who thought China would rule the world and would soon economically pass the US.
2018
Forget the Yuan: King Dollar is Here to Stay
“Many believe deficit spending will kill the US dollar as a reserve currency and the yuan will take over. They are wrong.”
I have been saying things like that for a decade at least
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
China has already surpassed the U.S., and is now the world’s largest real economy. Finance is a lagging indicator. It will be the final shoe to drop.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb

I disagree. China’s growth spurt from the last 3 decades is over. They are becoming more like Japan now.

Their demographics were working for them. Now they are working against them.
They had embraced technological innovation. Now they are stifling their innovative companies.
They had a massive infrastructure expansion. That is now over.
They took advantage of several decades of global free trade and supply chain expansion. They are now struggling with the rearrangement of those supply chains and some de-globalization.
They have turned away from most of the world and have aligned themselves with Russia, India and North Korea. Which is backing them into a small corner.
And Xi is becoming more like Putin. Ruling with an iron fist and crushing all dissent. Which is not conducive to a growing and innovative economy.
China’s best days are in the past.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
The same can be said the us, what used to be called the USA.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Nope. The US remains the most innovative country in the world.
Could it be better? Of course.
Still, we need to massively increase the education and skill set of our working age population. And/or we need to bring in the skilled workers we currently lack.
We also need to keep fostering entrepreneurs and innovators.
And we need to stop the stupid political bickering: of BOTH parties. The comment section here shows how much time people waste on useless political bickering.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I’m not passing judgment on China here. It’s simply a fact that China is the world’s top manufacturer. Will China now sink back into the muck? Maybe, but I don’t think so.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Supply chains are changing and diversifying. Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, etc are some the countries that are benefiting from the move away from China. China will still manufacture a lot, but others are now picking up most of the new manufacturing going forward.
I am not saying that China is in decline, merely that its big growth phase is over. But it needs to change its current trajectory or it will be in decline soon.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
mish, you are a rare man to admit being wrong. hat tip to you. your housing analysis 15 years ago, and today is spot on. no one does that better. saved my behind this time. i sold off all my investment properties out west and am so thankful i did. your analysis helped.

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