Russia Fires a Big Warning Shot, Gas Sanctions On the EU

Natural Gas Prices Soar in Europe

Please consider Natural-Gas Prices Soar in Europe After Russia Sanctions Energy Companies.

Natural-gas prices in Europe shot higher Thursday, a day after Russia unveiled a set of sanctions on energy companies operating on the Continent that could further threaten supply.

One target of the Russian sanctions was Gazprom Germania GmbH, a major Gazprom unit that the German government took control of last month. 

Dutch gas futures, the benchmark in northwestern Europe, jumped 18% Thursday, while gas prices in the U.K. gained 34% and German power prices leapt 15%. Though gas prices are below their March highs, they remain more than four times as high as a year ago, adding to inflationary pressures that are pushing central banks to tighten monetary policy.

Late Wednesday, Moscow unveiled sanctions on 31 energy companies, including Gazprom Germania and EuRoPol GAZ, owner of the Polish stretch of the Yamal-Europe pipeline that carries Russian gas to Germany. Other targets included Astora GmbH, a gas-storage operator, and Wingas GmbH, a trading company. Both are subsidiaries of Gazprom Germania. Tom Marzec-Manser, a gas analyst at ICIS, said the sanctions on Germania and its subsidiaries appeared largely to be symbolic, having little practical effect on gas supplies. He said, however, that sanctions on EuRoPol could stop Berlin from importing Russian gas via the Yamal-Europe pipeline.

Good Morning From Germany

Germany Puts On Brave Front

Bloomberg reports European Gas Surges as Germany Clashes With Russia Over Supply

The benchmark contract surged 14% as flows from Russia via Ukraine fell further Thursday following interruptions at a cross-border entry point as a result of the war. It adds to the market’s concerns, as Moscow retaliates to Europe’s penalties with a slew of its own curbs targeting some gas companies in the region.

German Economy Minister Robert Habeck downplayed the immediate impact of Moscow’s move, saying the cuts amount to just 3% of the country’s imports. The nation was getting shipments from alternate sources and can cope with the disruption, he said. Utility RWE AG said Russia’s new sanctions are “not material.”

Not Material?

Curiously, I discussed this exact setup on May 10, just two days before Russia’s sanctions. 

Please consider How Might a Cornered Putin Respond?

Q: Why is it the US is far more interested in sending weapons and sanctioning Russia than the EU?

A: It’s the gas stupid.

How long before Russia has had enough of this game?

Surely Russia can see the EU doing everything it can to reduce dependence on Russian energy.

What if Putin Cuts the Gas?

Is this a very material threat or not? Has anyone thought anything through?

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prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
In 1939 Germany invaded Poland using a force of 1.5 million men. Poland’s population at the time was lower than that of Ukraine today.
In 1968 the Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia using a force of 500,000 men. Czechoslovakia had a population one third that of Ukraine today, and roughly half the land area of Ukraine.
The US and allies (illegally) invaded Iraq in 2003 with a force of 260,000 men. Iraq is 2/3 the size of Ukraine and has a similar population to Ukraine. Iraq’s crumbling military was equipped with WW2-era weaponry that was no match for today’s weapons. Despite this, the invaders faced a fierce insurgency for many years and US soldiers are still dying there today.
Russia invaded Ukraine, a country with a modern military of 250,000 men, using a force of roughly 130,000.
Anyone who believes that Russia was/is trying to take over Ukraine and absorb it into a new Russian Empire is seriously delusional. But that is the propaganda we are being fed. The reality is that this is a border dispute.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Seems like Russia wants the east and south. The parts with a lot of ethnic Russians. Not the entirety of Ukraine.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Bingo!
Windsun
Windsun
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Could it Putin who is delusional?
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
1) Germany seizes a German subsidiary of Gazprom
2) This subsidiary is unable to pay for its supply of Russian gas, due to German sanctions
3) Russia cuts the gas supply to this subsidiary, since it isn’t paying for it
4) Germany accuses Russia of using gas as a weapon
Is there any limit to the stupidity of EU leaders?
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Putin must be stopped and taught a lesson to always remember – AT ANY COST! To do otherwise risks Putin continuing to invade one country after another, which is unacceptable.
BDR45
BDR45
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Is nuclear war an acceptable cost to you JoJo?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  BDR45
Is nuclear war an acceptable cost for Putin and Russia?
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
according to mostly lying msm, Putin is dying (it rhymes)….so he can ‘afford’ it ….
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
But are you ok to die for Putin’s end-of-life existential anguish?
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Sh it happens , don’ t it ? Dont worry yet though, maybe common sense will prevail at one point; according to Bloomberg, Russia’s revenues have even increased significantly since innumerous sanctions have been imposed, the Ruble is the best performing currency so far this year, inflation in our regions is rampant …. US war secretary Austin called his russian counterpart, Shoigu, earlier this week urging for a immediate ceasefire . Why would that be ? Because Ukraine is ‘winning’ ? Or should Russia wait for more lethal weapons to arrive from Nato crimallies ? Maybe , just maybe , the idiots we ve got for leaders will realise what exactly is at stake ….. like I said MAYBE…..don t bet your *ss on it either, taking into account historical hindsight….we re only human after all ….
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
….unlike yours, my russian is naught to write home about, not to say inexistent , helas, so tell me, what exactly are you trying to elucidate that I don t already know….or that I don t believe, for that matter ?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Doesn’t your browser have a translator in it?
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  BDR45
This is the reason why I would want these crazy Dumbocrats thwarted and their DONORcrat leaders defeated in the next election. Granted that the alternative is a very militaristic Republican Party who might well continue the disastrous NATO expansionism but at least they are not so insane as to think that even a nuclear war is not too a high price to pay to get rid of Putin or destroy Russia or both.

Keep in mind that these are the *same* insane Dumbocrats who went apoplectic in 2016 that Trump would destroy the world by casually pressing the red button.

Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Another good analysis of Glenn Greenwald about the fake “left” in US. It seems that we have in US the same evolution as in France, but partially hidden by a division in two parties: the main political force is the “extreme-center”. This notion of “extreme-center” was introduced by the French historian Pierre Serna to describe the situation in France after the fall of Napoleon’s empire. This was later developed by the British Tariq Ali, and Quebec Alain Deneault to describe today’s situation. I don’t know how this notion is studied in US.
From French wikipedia (google translation): “”Extreme center” is used to classify individuals, groups, movements, organizations and political parties claiming to be from the center of the political spectrum, not by conviction, but by opportunism and whose extreme side refers to its “intolerance to anything that does not fit into an arbitrarily proclaimed happy medium”
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  BDR45
If necessary. But that will depend on what Putin decides to do. Regardless, the west will take some hits but Russia will be obliterated an dmostly uninhabitable for centuries.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
If you are a Dumbocrat, I hope the irony is not lost on you. Dumbocrats were hysterical just a few years ago, that Trump would end the world in a nuclear holocaust. Now, they are saying it has to happen “if necessary”!

For this reason alone, the DONORcrat Party deserves to be out of power for at least the rest of this decade.

hmk
hmk
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Seriously??? What is wrong with you. What a good sheep you are. Must have been cheerleading the WMD lie invasion leading to the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent Christians who were slaughtered at the hands of Muslims after deposing Saddam. Not to mention countless deaths of innocent civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Ad infinitum worldwide. No war crimes anywhere, nothing to see.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Typical MSM nonsense:

On odd-numbered days, declare that Russia is going to conquer country after country after country.
On even-numbered days, declare that Ukraine is kicking Russia’s butt and is going to drive Russian forces back.

RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“AT ANY COST!”
At any cost, would be a nuclear war.
“The war to end all wars” didn’t prevent World War 2 from happening, despite the death of some 16 million people.
It may not be Putin you need to worry about, but the guy who may follow him, considering there are rumors that Putin is dying.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Exactly. Putin intends to slash his way across Europe and capture Lisbon. He needs a warm water Atlantic port.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Are you making fun of the crazy Dumbocrats? I hope so!
danaceve
danaceve
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
You forgot /$sarc
Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
For oil, as a consumer (for heating) I have the following message from one of the most important supplier
Google translation:
WHEN TO ORDER YOUR OIL IN 2022?

On 05/09/2022
After strong fluctuations in recent months, the price of fuel oil stabilized to resume an upward trend. It is very difficult to predict the evolution of the price of fuel oil in 2022, as the economic situation is so complex. In addition to the usual factors, the war in Ukraine and international political tensions make the future difficult to read.

When is the best time to order your fuel oil from Bretagne Multi-Energies?

In theory, the best time to buy fuel oil is the low season (spring, summer) because the demand and consumption of fuel oil are the lowest. This principle of falling demand logically lowers the price of fuel oil.

But, is this always the case?

If we observe the evolution of the price of fuel oil over the last five years (without taking into account the two years of pandemic), between 2014 and 2019, it is possible to buy fuel oil cheaper in winter.

Why ?

In December 2014, the overproduction of shale oil in the United States led to a fall in the price of fuel oil.
In January 2016, a strong euro against the dollar kept the price of fuel oil at its lowest level at the start of winter.
Winter 2018-2019, competition between producing countries has a significant impact on the price of crude oil. Consequence: fall in the price of domestic fuel following the increase in production.

Most often we are concerned about the level of the tank in early fall. This is quite normal when the first cold spells cross Brittany, from Finistère to Ile-et-Vilaine. It is therefore at this time that the orders are the most numerous. And that drives up the prices!
But wouldn’t it be in our interest to anticipate the purchase of fuel oil this year, in 2022?

So, should we wait until fall or order earlier?

As we have seen, the price of fuel oil has not always been cheaper in summer.

However, the factors for lowering the price of fuel oil mentioned above are no longer relevant! It’s actually quite the opposite…

Admittedly, the situation has changed a lot.

Avoid the risk of shortages in the fall by ordering in low season! You will be served quickly. In any case, do not wait to be dry to order your fuel oil.

Today, the stocks allow us to ensure fuel oil deliveries in Brittany within the usual deadlines.

What do you have to gain from it?…

Warmth and serenity next winter.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Hmmm. Oil has a long shelf life.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Where in Brittany are you? My wife is Breton.
Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
near Lorient
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
She is from Quiberon.
Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
Usually (as before the war) there is a constant and continuous flow of gas from Russia to Europe, but it is much more used in winter. This is why a big part of the imported gas in Europe is hoarded in summer (to be used in winter, where the flow from Russia would be no enough). Hence if Russian cut gas now we will not see many consequences now, but strongly in winter, if the reserve is empty.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
One problem EU nations have not been filling their reserves after depleting them during COVID!!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Russia may cut gas to the EU, but we will simply have to wait and see. Russia says lots of things that end up changing; like “we have no plans to invade Ukraine.”
If they do shut in their gas, it causes all kinds of problems and some of that gas will never come back.

Regardless of what happens in the next few weeks, sanctions on Russia are going to result in declining production of oil and gas over the next year or two. Up to 3 million bpd of oil. And similar cuts for gas. This is beginning to affect prices now as markets are frequently forward looking.

Some are now projecting oil prices as high as $180 this year, though those are the high end predictions.
My large portfolio of oil and gas stocks will do well at any price over $80/bbl. I am very happy with the current $110 price. Anything above that is a bonus to me. Though I realize that some will not like that. However, rather than complain about the price of oil and gas, I recognize that there is nothing I can do about that price. But I can benefit by investing in oil and gas companies.
And I am thankful to this blog, which is where I found all the names of the companies to invest in. Thanks Mish.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Looks you are buying what the West MSM is “SELLING”!!
Russia’s production numbers are coming from WEST MSM/INTEL, who are all in on “PROPAGANDA” war!!!
Russia is finding other buyers for their oil and gas!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
You are partially correct. I gather quite a lot of info on oil from all sources, including whatever you mean by western MSM. My favorite source is oilprice.com and the IEA.
However, I also read what OPEC, OPEC+, Russia, China etc are saying. And they are all a lot closer to my position than yours. Apparently, you just assume the opposite of whatever the western MSM is saying.
For example, Russian deputy prime minister Alexander Novak has openly talked about declining Russian production. He has also predicted oil prices over $300/bbl if the EU follows through on its threat to ban Russian oil.
Regarding your statement, “Russia is finding other buyers”. Again, partially correct. But not enough buyers to make up for what they are losing elsewhere.
And even if they could find other buyers for all their production, their production is going to keep falling because they are being cut off from the necessary parts, equipment and skilled workers that western companies were providing to keep their fields pumping.
I don’t need oil over $300 to do well with my investments. $100 to $130 will do just fine.
By the way. What are you invested in, and why?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Oil. Because I like owning small stripper wells outright.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Nice.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
I know what a small stripper is, but what’s a small stripper well?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Say around 10-35 barrels/day.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
…..Yes Mish writes great articles, as far as I remember though he does not recommend companies to invest in….Correct me if I am wrong…
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Occasionally he does recommend companies. You have been here a long and I find it strange that you don’t remember this. Just a couple posts ago he recommended a gold ETF.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
NOPE he does not recommend individual companies ….a gold ETF is not exactly a company, is it ?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Wow! You complain that Mish doesn’t make recommendations and when he does you deny they are recommendations. He has also recommended Newmont as a buy about a month ago. He even did a whole post about it. Look, it’s pretty clear that you don’t read his posts but skip to the comments to make comments that are, well, stupid. Your job is not to read the posts but to make comments and yours are pretty bad from a quality point of view. If your superiors give you a job review you can be certain that you will find yourself in boot camp and after two weeks of training sent to the Ukraine meatgrinder.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Whether it is Mish giving specific recommendations, or those who comment here, I will give credit to Mish, since his blog is the source.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
The EU seems to think that destroying their own economy will magically cause the destruction of the Russian economy. It won’t. Russia’s economy is going to be just fine, mainly because – unlike the EU – they have almost everything they need: ample, cheap energy, iron ore, food supplies, and the whole range of other natural resources. The only things the Russians import in quantity are machinery and other manufactured goods – and guess what, they have a 2,600 mile border with China, the workshop of the world and a friendly trading partner that needs their natural resources.
It is clear that the Ukraine war is really yet another US war. The US deliberately provoked it by arming Ukraine for years and encouraging them to seek NATO membership and ignore the Minsk II agreements, and now the US seems hell bent on extending the war as long as possible by supplying more and more weaponry and making no attempt to end the bloodshed by peaceful means. The EU just looks confused, powerless and irrational, as usual.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
1/4 of Russians don’t even have indoor plumbing. They weren’t fine, and they are about to be much worse off. Every chapter of russian history begins with “And then it got worse”
They feel threatened? When in the history of the world has a nuclear power been invaded? It’s BS. They feel threatened all right… threatened that any of their citizens that aren’t alcoholic trainwrecks are getting the hell out because its clear that almost every country in the world offers a better life than russia.
The Ukraine invasion is the last desperate gasp of a pathetic, crumbling country.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
So every war the US has been involved in is an EMPIRE in decline!!!
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
People without ‘indoor plumbing’ and other modern facilities won’ t even miss them when the * finally hits the fan….and without electricity even the fan won t work, so they ll be fine…1/4 of them anyway….Just take away our internet temporarily and we westerners will be reduced to zilch when(not if) the SHTF, which is gonna be quite pathetic actually ….
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
So it was just BS when the US felt threatened by missiles in Cuba?
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
An excerpt from the article:

Some recent reports suggest that Saudis are already in talks with Beijing on usage of local currencies for some portion of their oil trade, something that China also has been seeking lately. Interestingly, in a recent commentary, the well-known Chinese political thinker Zhang Weiwei argued strongly in favour of a new thinking in Beijing against the backdrop of the US’ harsh sanctions freezing the foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Central Bank and removing Russia from the the Swift international settlement system. Prof. Zhang wrote:

“The current (Russian) decision to link natural gas and other raw materials to the ruble can be said to be a revolution against the hegemonic order of the US dollar. Very inspiring. As the world’s largest economy (based on purchasing power parity), the largest trader of goods, the largest consumer market and investment market, we (China) must boldly conceive and practice the construction of a financial system in the “post-American era”… We have a good hand, we have abundant natural resources, including a large amount of rare metals, we have the most complete industrial chain in the world, we are the only one in the world that can produce almost everything from the first industrial revolution to the fourth industrial revolution All product countries. Linking the renminbi to our special resources, to many products, is a new idea that we can consider.”

Carl_R
Carl_R
3 years ago
Fortunately for the EU, it is now approaching summer. That will give them time to make some plans before next winter. Can they get them implemented? Stay tuned.
Crenvy
Crenvy
3 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
A lot of industry runs on gas there. Not seasonal. No gas, no jobs.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
“Is this a very material threat or not? Has anyone thought anything through?”
Here how i think things thru…As soon as a new low cost energy source can be researched and developed (e.g. cold fusion) the faster these despotic kingdoms in Russia, Middle East and elsewhere will disappear. The only thing keeping these regimes going is oil money. With no oil money there is no money for weapons, soldiers or any hostilities.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Here’s a list of all the countries the US has bombed since WW2:

China 1945-46

Korea 1950-53

China 1950-53

Guatemala 1954

Indonesia 1958

Cuba 1959-60

Guatemala 1960

Belgian Congo 1964

Guatemala 1964

Dominican Republic 1965-66

Peru 1965

Laos 1964-73

Vietnam 1961-73

Cambodia 1969-70

Guatemala 1967-69

Lebanon 1982-84

Grenada 1983-84

Libya 1986

El Salvador 1981-92

Nicaragua 1981-90

Iran 1987-88

Libya 1989

Panama 1989-90

Iraq 1991

Kuwait 1991

Somalia 1992-94

Bosnia 1995

Iran 1998

Sudan 1998

Afghanistan 1998

Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999

Afghanistan 2001

Libya 2011

Iraq and Syria 2014 –

Somalia 2011 –

Iran 2020 –

MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
now provide a list of how many billions the US has provided to countries outside the US.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
$54B to Ukraine just now… for bombs and missiles and soldiers and bloodshed
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Suggest investment in the MIC.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
That is quite close to Russia’s TOTAL defense budget for an ENTIRE year (about 65B).
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
And when they vaporize your pathetic country, you can add it to the list.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The US is going to vaporize the US?
Crenvy
Crenvy
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45

There is no such research afaik going on that replaces the fundamental, self-supporting energy of petroleum. All current energy sources require petroleum to be built and maintained, including nuclear, hydro, so-called renewables, etc. And as prumbly points out below, who exactly is the despot in the world?

MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Crenvy
Amazing how little you know…
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Where there does it say the wind farms are being built without use of Petroleum (ie needed for mining the metal, transporting it, refining it etc)
Renewables need Petroleum to be built.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
So you’re saying, when the US looses the reserve currency status and the world won’t accept her printed funny money, the world can finally live in peace?
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
This is why I have been calling for a Manhattan Project on fusion power. Forget pictures of the black hole at the center of our galaxy. Push aside whatever plans we have for new satellite exploration of various planets and moons, etc., etc. Direct all available and appropriate scientific resources into solving the last parts of the fusion energy problem and building commercial reactors.
Once developed, make any patents free to use worldwide. Watch OPEC+ crumble.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
And anti-gravity which will provide considerable savings in energy currently expended.
Anti-gravity should be prioritized over time travel.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Agreed!
Nuddernoitall
Nuddernoitall
3 years ago
“Is this a very material threat or not? Has anyone thought anything through?” Our government has thought this at least partially through, but maybe not as you may have thought.
You noticed McConnell and (this week) his Republican fellow war lords taking their own pilgrimage to Ukraine, just as the Pelosi Dems did so a week ago. In my lifetime, I’ve always supported our military’s worldwide policies but I admit now, I was wrong then. Very wrong.
The proxy war we’re fighting against Russia, trading Ukrainian blood for $40B (this upcoming tranche), is madness. Of course we’ve already made back room promises to “re-build” Ukraine later. We have the printing presses to do this. Do you hear American citizens beating the drums of opposition to this? No, I don’t either. The American government (for various reasons) wants this war to continue. This is complete and total madness for us, but for the US government… no, not so much at all. In fact, this “crises” is a wonderful opportunity. Consider it Covid Part 2 (the 2022 version).
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Nuddernoitall
Well said about the proxy war. The 40B is essentially just government welfare to the US arms makers (Raytheon, Lochead Martin etc). Suddenly they can’t build stuff fast enough (if your looking for non oil&gas investments these companies are probably going to report some record profits in the next couple quarters if Ukraine drags on).
There is no way Ukraine can be rebuilt for 40 billion. I saw their president claimed the war had only cost something like 9 billion so far. Are we to take that seriously given 5 million refugees have left the country (that’s not even 2K per refugee and that’s not actual war costs of destruction and lives and used up war materials). The rebuild cost will be more like 400 billion if not higher so in truth the Ukrainian people are paying a terrible price for the US war machine.
Nuddernoitall
Nuddernoitall
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I said promises made to rebuild Ukraine later, so yes, this $40B has nothing to do with a re-build. Yes, I completely agree with you about the high cost of building Ukraine later. At least Biden doesn’t have to print any new publicity signage for the Ukrainian citizen, as he can just re-use, “Build Back Better.” I don’t think Manchin will have a a problem with that signage. Regarding stock prices for the defense industry, a lot of those expected gains are already priced in to current valuations. Not guessing they won’t go higher, but the big names have been pounced on quite a bit to date.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  Nuddernoitall
Same as WW2 land lease agreement between UK and US.
Britain used blood and American weapons to fight the Germans alone (before US and USSR joined up).
In the end Hitler was killed and the Germans were changed from their Prussian aggressive militaristic past.
Ideally, the same needs to happen to Russia else they will continue to be a source of trouble.
Crenvy
Crenvy
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack
Agreed, and the printing presses (economically speaking) are wearing down fast. Imagine the mess we’d be in had BBB actually passed. That’s what’s coming!
Nuddernoitall
Nuddernoitall
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack
“Ideally, the same needs to happen to Russia else they will continue to be a source of trouble.”
Regardless of who is leading Russia, the fact remains their military arsenal is supersized (and will remain supersized) with nuclear “problems” for the West. That will not change in our lifetimes or our children’s lifetimes.
My thought is, let’s concentrate on our own defense capabilities. As you know, our entire military structure is not exactly operating on all efficient cylinders. As an aside, China is a real problem of course, but we have to give them a little credit for investing heavily into their armed forces while not wasting trillions of misdirected currency on direct and proxy military incursions. Sadly, but also expectantly, USA debt levels are not exactly conducive to modernizing an efficient American military.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Nuddernoitall
You should write a letter to the Pentagon. [lol] Here’s the address:
Lloyd J. Austin III
Secretary of Defense
1000 Defense Pentagon
Washington, DC 20301-1000
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  Nuddernoitall
If you had read “War is a Racket” by Maj Gen Smedley Butler then you would have woken up about this a long time ago. Welcome to the real world, much better to be late than never. Admission is the first step toward recovery.
Nuddernoitall
Nuddernoitall
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
Yes, I feel better now. But, I know I have a long recovery ahead.

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