Garrison Lovely has an interesting synopsis of what’s going on.
In my previous post I asked: Why Would Musk Offer $97.4 Billion for OpenAI, Just to Make it Free?
Let’s review Musk’s nearly $100 billion offer. Does it make any sense?
Garrison Lovely Chimes In
- OpenAI is attempting to transition to a for profit public benefit corporation. To do so, it needs to take control from the nonprofit board, which needs to be compensated at fair market value. OAI was maybe going to pay <$40B. Musk just made that a lot more complicated!
- If OAI doesn’t complete its for profit transition in <2 years, investors in the October round can ask for their money back. It’s really hard to price the control the nonprofit board (ostensibly) has over OpenAI. The “control premium” is typically 20-30% of the company’s value.
- But it can be as high as 70%. If OAI gets valued at $300B because of the SoftBank investment, that would come out to $60-210B. Some argued that you should think of what a rival like Google would be willing to pay for control of OpenAI.
- Well Elon just put an actual price on that. A number of different govt parties can block the OpenAI transition (e.g. CA and Delaware Attorneys General). Probably the biggest factor in that would be how much OpenAI pays the nonprofit to give up control.
- Some legal experts I’ve spoken with even argue that it may be impossible to fairly price this level of control, since if AGI is developed, it could be worth almost infinite amounts of money — or cause human extinction.
- The $97.4B bid from Musk’s group has another interesting wrinkle: they’re promising to match or exceed any higher bids. This suggests Musk thinks OpenAI’s nonprofit board might try to entertain other offers.
- This is particularly thorny because OpenAI’s nonprofit board has a fiduciary duty to “humanity” rather than to investors or employees. Some argue this means they legally can’t give up control at any price.
- Whatever happens next, this massively complicates OpenAI’s attempt to shed its nonprofit structure. The nonprofit board now has to explain why they’d accept less than $97.4B — especially with a promise to match higher bids.
- I almost forgot something else the nonprofit has: all profits above the various profit caps. In the case that OpenAI actually does what it says it wants to do, this could be worth A LOT. Part of the restructuring is reported to include removal of these caps.
Here is the Garrison Lovely @GarrisonLovely thread.
That is a well-reasoned thread.
Thanks Garrison!
He linked to the Wall Street Journal article Musk’s $97.4 Billion OpenAI Bid Piles Pressure on Sam Altman That’s a free link.
Musk’s $97.4 billion offer, with the backing of a consortium of investors, could force OpenAI’s board of directors to reassess how it is valuing the nonprofit, which the board has said will be fairly compensated in the transaction and own a stake in the for-profit.
The higher the valuation of the nonprofit, the bigger its stake would likely be in the for-profit OpenAI following a conversion.
At the same time, OpenAI is negotiating how much equity Microsoft, its biggest investor, should get in the for-profit company, along with other backers and employees. It is also seeking to raise up to $40 billion of new capital. Investors in that round will likely expect equity when OpenAI becomes a for-profit as well.
Satisfying all those parties was already complicated. If Musk’s gambit increases the equity awarded to the nonprofit, it will be even more difficult.
Bret Taylor, chairman of OpenAI’s board of directors, also poured cold water on Musk’s offer. “OpenAI’s not for sale,” he said at The Wall Street Journal’s CIO Network Summit on Tuesday. “And our job as a board is to exclusively decide what benefits our mission, and as a consequence I think this is largely a distraction and I think the board is going to continue to exclusively focus on the mission.”
Still, some experts said the board might not be able to dismiss the offer out of hand.
“If Elon’s is a fair price and the OpenAI nonprofit is empowered to make the decision, it could sell,” said Harvey Dale, a professor of nonprofit law at New York University.
The board could reject Musk’s bid for reasons beyond money, though. As a charity, OpenAI’s obligation is to fulfill its legal purpose: safely advancing artificial intelligence to benefit humanity.
Yet, none of this directly answers the question I posed.
If Elon Musk promises to make it free, then how can it be worth $97.4 billion?
And if the board rejects Musk’s offer on grounds of protecting humanity, aren’t there some “for profit” contradictions?
Let’s assume making OpenAI for profit would be worth tens of billions of dollars.
I noted the downside is losing nearly $100 billion, asking “What’s the upside?”
One of my readers commented “Principle, and I KNOW you are a man of such, Mish.“
Wow, thanks. I sincerely appreciate that comment. But is that it?
Is Elon Musk principled enough to spend $97.4 billion to save the world from AI mass extinction?


Just to make OpenAI prohibitively expensive for Microsoft? Bill Gates is in pro-Biden globalist camp. Was a Microsoft CEO present at Trump 2 inauguration? I didn’t see him there.
“Is Elon Musk principled enough to spend $97.4 billion to save the world from AI mass extinction?”
How does one put a price on saving the world from AI mass extinction, if it is possible for that to happen? So far, the key word in artificial intelligence, is artificial. Humans programed political bias into Chat GPT.
I just want to add that Mish’s work and the people here are my MORNING ritual. I love to read the ultra-left/right commentary, learn about what others are thinking and then refine my take on things.
THANKS, MISH! You are a bright spot of BALANCE in reporting and commentary.
This is one of the very few places on the internet that won’t ban dissenting opinions… and for those with tender feelings, there’s the Hide button so they can still have a safe space. Very nice.
As many engineers graduate in India as the next top nine countries. On the other hand, in China there are a million more graduates than in India. Therefore, DeepSeek made OpenAI a gargantuan waste of money and resources.
I’ve JUST ENOUGH Video content of the imaginary ROBOTIC take-over, Mish, and you are SPOT ON THE POINT IT OUT.
NO ONE else in any forum but yours is talking about the INSANITY OF A.I.-EVERYTHING. Thank you and keep it up.
With that said, it is a FASCINATING aspect of what happens to every species and this will include man.
WILL man commit mass suicide by allowing A.I.-EVERYTHING.
“La Machina” is one of my fav films of this genre.
Human intelligence has brought us to the brink. They simply cannot be trusted anymore.
Let’s hope so 🙏
Internet was made Public Domain it changed the world.
Musk bought Twitter now X. Without that move Free Speech in America would be just like in Europe almost nonexistent.
If a person is Richest man in the world making money is not really Top goal any longer. As other super wealthy in past have done such as Ford, Carnegie, even slimy Rockefeller they turned to Philanthropy so as to have a purpose in Life.
Musk is another industrialist made good. Just has to look how Canada or California operates and wants no part of that. Moved to Texas so that Rocket produced thru him and staff could one day end up on Mars. Could have just bought off Newsom if it was all about money
His reason might be just for business but then again Musk does not appear to want items to fall into hands of progressive Left. Would not be first time he choose Freedom over authoritarianism.
One more thought, Musk named his automotive venture Tesla.
Tesla the man had little interest in money but wanted to use his intellect as Benefactor to world.
One thing for sure Musk does not count price as an obstacle when setting his mind on an idea.
Wasn’t me. Was those silly Tesla founders that got themselves in money trouble and had to allow me to buy them out.
I’m just here to take credit for the work of all those actual engineers.
Great comments and summary, Richard. ALSO, I agree with you. Musk is the surprise. He is also now the ENEMY OF PROGRESSIVE POLITICS and I honestly worry for him.
Musk knows his offer is unlikely to be accepted, so it’s really a gambit to complicate the work of a competitor that is ahead. If somehow his offer is actually accepted, then he will simply renege on his promise to make it free with some BS excuse.
Putting so much control in the power of one person isn’t going to end well. Musk’s comment yesterday about not being involved in the SpaceX’s contracts with US Gov is nonsense.
Also I’m sure that the non-profit board are all very honourable but a promise of $10M via some later mechanism is going to be a really hard thing to ignore.
Control of media has always been the way that authoritarian regimes get longevity. In some ways abuse of judiciary is a side show. If you are MAGA then I’m sure you don’t care – it is all on your side. Just imagine if it were the Dems doing it.
The dems have been doing it….for years! The MSM has been the marketing arm of the Democrats for years.
Yes, Jon chooses to ignore that part. But, his point is well taken. ANYONE who gains massive power, money and influence are hard–pressed NOT to put the hose right into their mouths for more and more. IT IS HUMAN.
By the time I was 38, I had made more money than I could have ever imagined. My wife and I, child-free, decided to go UN-HOOKED: quit my job, sold ALL of my stock in a year, moved into a (Yes, LUXURY) 45-Foot Prevost Marathon RV and we set out to discover the world.
What we saw was amazing. 40 countries, of all levels of wealth. The misery. The RICHES. The angry working classes everywhere. The 2009 GFC and that misery (we were in Fla 2009-10). We saw it all.
We continued to down-size and just rent from place to place. It has been an unreal 40 plus years since that time.
RIGHT NOW, I sense the un-doing, so I distrust even my own instincts and learn from others like you.
– Putting so much control in the power of one person isn’t going to end well.
> That’s called the Presidency, and Trump was “Overwhelmingly Elected” to Stop That from occurring, from President Elect Biden And President Non-Elected Harris. It “Only” doesn’t end well, if you leave the Unpatriotic, UnAmerican, Communists in charge. We Didn’t Do That, as we eliminated Them Both for ever, hopefully…
– Musk’s comment yesterday about not being involved in the SpaceX’s contracts with US Gov is nonsense.
> You obviously never have run a Large Business. It takes many individuals to operate a very large Business, like SpaceX and there is no way “One Person” can do it by him/her self. He reviewed them, and ultimately, I would assume, had to sign off at the end of it all. But that’s miles different from being involved deeply or solely as you think.
– Control of media has always been the way that authoritarian regimes get longevity.
> Exactly why the Democrats had to be removed Root and All! They were far down the Communist Path for America, as their Dream! The People stopped it by seeing and understanding what was occurring. If the Republicans OR Democrats ever try it again, we will “Stop It” again.
It only can go as far as allowed, and that is entirely up to Our Country and not You or Anyone else…
Your appeal to reason is lost on my people… but keep trying. It’s fun watching them rationalize their way around it. So loyal!
Too many unknowns.
Does the non-prof entity end up with a gob of for-profit stocks shares? Apparently so, but how many of what total?
Which entity gets which employees? Employees are the organization, after all.
This might be a fight over who controls Alta Vista.
25% says https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/11/how-musks-97-4b-bid-could-gum-up-openais-for-profit-conversion/