Still More Inflation Expectations Nonsense in the Latest Fed Minutes

Inflation expectations from NY Fed Survey, CPI and PCE data vis St. Louis Fed, Chart by Mish

I discuss the lead chart after a review of the minutes of the latest FOMC Meeting.

Inflation Risk Skewed to the Upside 

Today, the Fed released Minutes of the June 14-15 FOMC Meeting, emphasis mine.

In their discussion of risks, participants emphasized that they were highly attentive to inflation risks and were closely monitoring developments regarding both inflation and inflation expectations. Most agreed that risks to inflation were skewed to the upside and cited several such risks, including those associated with ongoing supply bottlenecks and rising energy and commodity prices. Participants judged that uncertainty about economic growth over the next couple of years was elevated. In that context, a couple of them noted that GDP and gross domestic income had been giving conflicting signals recently regarding the pace of economic growth, making it challenging to determine the economy’s underlying momentum. Most participants assessed that the risks to the outlook for economic growth were skewed to the downside.

 In their consideration of the appropriate stance of monetary policy, participants concurred that the labor market was very tight, inflation was well above the Committee’s 2 percent inflation objective, and the near-term inflation outlook had deteriorated since the time of the May meeting. Against this backdrop, almost all participants agreed that it was appropriate to raise the target range for the federal funds rate 75 basis points at this meeting. 

 At the current juncture, with inflation remaining well above the Committee’s objective, participants remarked that moving to a restrictive stance of policy was required to meet the Committee’s legislative mandate to promote maximum employment and price stability. In addition, such a stance would be appropriate from a risk management perspective because it would put the Committee in a better position to implement more restrictive policy if inflation came in higher than expected.  

Inflation Expectations and Yapping as a Tool

Measures of inflation expectations derived from surveys of professional forecasters and of consumers generally suggested that inflation was expected to remain high in the short run but then fall back toward levels consistent with a longer-run rate of 2 percent.  

Participants observed that some measures of inflation expectations had moved up recently, including the staff index of common inflation expectations and the expectations of inflation over the next 5 to 10 years provided in the Michigan survey.  

Many participants judged that a significant risk now facing the Committee was that elevated inflation could become entrenched if the public began to question the resolve of the Committee to adjust the stance of policy as warranted.

Members judged that, with high and widespread inflation pressures and some measures of longer-term inflation expectations moving up somewhat, it would be appropriate for the post meeting statement to note that the Committee was strongly committed to returning inflation to its 2 percent objective.  

Hello Jerome Powell 

Hello Jerome Powell, please explain the lead chart. 

If inflation expectations mattered at all, how the hell did the Fed fail to reach its 2 percent target for a decade? 

Not only were expectations above 3 percent between 2013 and 2020, the Fed was actively trying, via round after round of near-endless QE and constant yapping about inflation expectations. 

Flashback June 16, 2021

Please recall my June 16, 2021 post Fed Will Foolishly Continue QE Purchases in Search of Higher Inflation

The post was in regards to the FOMC meeting just over a year ago.

June 2021 FOMC Statement Key Paragraph

  • The Committee seeks to achieve maximum employment and inflation at the rate of 2 percent over the longer run. With inflation having run persistently below this longer-run goal, the Committee will aim to achieve inflation moderately above 2 percent for some time so that inflation averages 2 percent over time and longer‑term inflation expectations remain well anchored at 2 percent. The Committee expects to maintain an accommodative stance of monetary policy until these outcomes are achieved.
  • The Committee decided to keep the target range for the federal funds rate at 0 to 1/4 percent and expects it will be appropriate to maintain this target range until labor market conditions have reached levels consistent with the Committee’s assessments of maximum employment and inflation has risen to 2 percent and is on track to moderately exceed 2 percent for some time.
  • In addition, the Federal Reserve will continue to increase its holdings of Treasury securities by at least $80 billion per month and of agency mortgage‑backed securities by at least $40 billion per month until substantial further progress has been made toward the Committee’s maximum employment and price stability goals.

How clueless can you get? 

Please check out my comments at the time.

Group-Think Silliness Well Anchored

I bolded the note about inflation expectations because they are totally meaningless.

The Fed believes all kinds of group-think silliness, and inflation expectations are at the top of the list.

What are the Fed and Congress going to do next with stimulus wearing off and banks choking on the Fed’s QE already?

Looking ahead, the fourth quarter and 2022 GDP and will be much weaker than most expect.

The irony in the Fed’s actions is they are indeed increasing inflation, but only in the most unproductive, yet uncounted ways. There’s plenty of inflation now, just not as they measure it.

Fed Study on Inflation Expectations

Please consider Why Do We Think That Inflation Expectations Matter for Inflation? (And Should We?) by Jeremy B. Rudd at the Divisions of Research & Statistics and Monetary Affairs Federal Reserve Board.

Serious Policy Errors

Economists and economic policymakers believe that households’ and firms’ expectations of future inflation are a key determinant of actual inflation. A review of the relevant theoretical and empirical literature suggests that this belief rests on extremely shaky foundations, and a case is made that adhering to it uncritically could easily lead to serious policy errors

The Fed does not believe its own studies! 

And yes, we have policy error upon policy error with bubbles and crashes as poof.

Hello Fed 

On April 11, I commented Hello Fed, Inflation Expectations Are Unglued, No Longer Well Anchored

The New York Fed survey already shows inflation expectations are not anchored.

Even the three-year median point projection is 4.88%, well over the Fed’s target rate of 2.00%.

Powell was shocked that the University of Michigan survey showed the same thing.

I commented It’s a good thing inflation expectations are not self-fulfilling because expectations are now unglued.

The Asininity of Inflation Expectations, Once Again By Powell and the Fed

Also consider my June 25, 2022 post The Asininity of Inflation Expectations, Once Again By Powell and the Fed

I provided numerous real-world examples as to why inflation expectations are nonsense. 

But the Fed won’t listen to me. Heck it will not even believe its own well-researched study.

Instead, these group-think blockheads will believe what they have been trained to believe. Any data to the contrary is immediately discarded.

Historical Perspective on CPI Deflations: How Damaging are They?

And please recall my May 3, 2020 post Historical Perspective on CPI Deflations: How Damaging are They?

The Bank of International Settlements (BIS) did a study in 2015. Here are the key snips.

Concerns about deflation – falling prices of goods and services – are rooted in the view that it is very costly. We test the historical link between output growth and deflation in a sample covering 140 years for up to 38 economies. The evidence suggests that this link is weak and derives largely from the Great Depression. But we find a stronger link between output growth and asset price deflations, particularly during postwar property price deflations. We fail to uncover evidence that high debt has so far raised the cost of goods and services price deflations, in so-called debt deflations. The most damaging interaction appears to be between property price deflations and private debt.

Deflation may actually boost output. Lower prices increase real incomes and wealth. And they may also make export goods more competitive.

The Fed tried for a decade to produce inflation, missing the asset bubble inflation it created the whole time. Then the Fed missed the very conditions that would cause CPI inflation (free money plus supply chain shocks). 

Now it risks a policy error in the opposite direction.

Powell: “We understand better how little we understand about inflation”

On June 29, 2022, Powell admitted “We understand better how little we understand about inflation”

Gee, who couldda thunk? 

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Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
The U.S. $ is rising because the E-$ is contracting. Eliminating required reserves makes the domestic $ more competitive.
Contrary to the FED’s accountants, RRPs drain both reserves and the money stock. They should be a subtraction from both the FED balance sheet’s assets and liabilities – not just a swap in liabilities (regardless of term limits as the operations are constantly rolled over). If you look at page 15 in The Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago’s “Modern Money Mechanics” you will see that “sells of securities” decrease both the assets and liabilities of “Factors Changing Reserve Balances”
Also, in PG. 305 in my 1963 Money and Banking book. PG 366, 382, & 398 in my 1958 Money and Banking book.
The Keynesian economists at the FED don’t know a credit from a debit. And they don’t care about the money supply, just the level of interest rates or R *. Otherwise, they would separate in their accounting, bank from nonbank sells of securities (like they did in the 70’s, with RPDs, reserves for private deposits).
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
So, where is the investment advice? How do we take advantage of the fed actions? I read all the comments and couldn’t find any. Just the usual complaining.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
advice. in stagflation everyone loses. so just resign yourself to losing ground. in spite of mish talking deflation, everyone’s 100 USD in their wallet buys less food clothing and shelter now than it did a decade ago, and 2 decades ago and 5 decades ago. and it will buy less in another decade, too. staflation is like playing chicken in autos. nobody wins. just know you will lose next decade. that’s the advice. only thing that worked last stagflation was trading commodities but had to be nimble.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Mish Talk not a trader blog … no matter how much you and MPO45 try.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Thanks Tony. This should be mentioned more often.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
JackWebb, the spread between US 10 years and the German 10 years reached it’s peak in Oct 2018 @ 3.84%. Since late 2014 the Fed
raised rates. When JP got his job he tried to EXTRACT negative rates in Europe and Japan, but Germany didn’t care. By year end, after
SPX 2018 Xmas massacre JP was forced to cut rates and boost SPX.
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
I believe the FED is batting “ZERO” since its creation!
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
more like babe ruth both pitching and hitting. they have been quite successful in what they were set up to do. the arrogance of folks who have been bamboozled by the fed for a century is jaw dropping. FED is owned by bankers. they’ve been stealing all our wealth forever. to think THEY are the dumb ones is truly laughable. good lord.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Here’s something worth chewing on. We can see that the Fed underplayed inflation until very recently. Now they pledge to be aggressive, and “nimble,” which to me comes across as “we don’t really have a clue, so we’ll react to every new economic stat as they’re released and slam the brakes or step on the gas.”

My sense from experience and observation is that Volcker and Greenspan, love ’em or hate ’em, were more firmly grounded in something beyond their nerve endings in any given week. Yes, they paid close attention to the markets, but they weren’t shoved around as much day to day. Bernanke looks like he got the progression of the ’08 Panic wrong at the outset, but implemented a QE regimen that he’d thought long and hard about.

Mish, in your view, is Powell’s Fed more of an unanchored weathervane than previous Feds, or is my sense not correct?

vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
i think we will go through another 2 or 3 fed chairs before the stagflation is tamed. they unleashed ridiculous amounts of debt and money supply and dropped from helicopters since panic of 2007. they just started to raise rates, and haven’t even begun running off the fed balance sheet. i’d guess inflation won’t be tamed for a good decade. of course some will profit from it, and some won’t notice and some won’t care going to the poor house as long as the fun lasts. it’s a very rich and wealthy country, where our working class live large and high on the hog with tons of toys and leisure and such. i lived through the AZ r/e meltdown and nothing was visibly different except a slow motion closing of some shops and foreclosed homes. most things in rich world are hard to detect any set backs. i don’t think my hood now, filled with all immigrants from islands and russia……..will change behaviours. they barbecue on sidewalks all weekend night and day. to detect rich folks 401ks dropping 50% or house values 25 or 50% is basically a yawn. one wouldn’t detect anything in most places. we ain’t in the 1930s or 1800s when our poorest folks had to leave behind farms and hitch hike and take box cars to greener pastures…………….
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
WTIC might drop to the Low 70’s area, before osc between 70 and 100.
The German 3M is up to (-)0.345. If madam ECB hike the deposit rate, DXY will weaken, the Euro and Yen will be stronger.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
low 70’s would be overshoot to downside…
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
No. I try to predict DXY & WTI, Mish tries to predict the Fed.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
the dollar is going much higher, I will just be around to review….the 2001 DXY 121 number would make it hard to hold on from there
on monthly chart its as bullish as it gets
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
DXY entered Jan 1974 fractal zone : 105.90 – 109.50. In order to move much higher DXY have to enter Nov 1982/Jan 1983 backbone : 115.43 – 126.02. The last attempt to breach the backbone was 1999/2001. A stronger DXY suppress commodities, stocks and inflation.
Time will tell.
Steve_R
Steve_R
1 year ago
10 was an overshoot in 3/2020, it can always overshoot
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Me too. I switch the time periodicity of my charts around until I see what I want to see.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
No “WTIC” in my financial terms search. Past that, what is “the German 3M”? I presume it has nothing to do with Post-It Notes or Scotch Tape, both made in Minnesota by the 3M Corp.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
WTIC is West Texas Crude oil. // The German three months was anchored to negative 0.50 for a long time. It couldn’t move. Soon, all German rate from three months to thirty years might be positive, zero and above zero. Gravity between US and the negative German rates might be over. Negative German 3Y – 5Y pulled US 3Y – 5y down, dragging US 10 years down.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
In case Jack is too dense or lazy to figure it out – 3Y and 5Y are 3 year and 5 year instruments.
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Reminds me all those so called experts claiming oil was going to $10 in the last major slump!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
Oil in 2008 from $147 (july 15) to $36 (december 26). Fed bailouts in late 2008 stopped the decline. But for the Fed, $10 was indeed a possibility
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
How about 2020 when oil went negative?
Oil, gasoline, distillates, natgas etc are global commodities whose price is primarily determined by global supply and demand.
Demand is worldwide. As is supply. However supply does have some particularly large players involved. OPEC+, the US, Canada, Mexico, Venezuela Iran. And some of these suppliers have had some significant impacts in the last decade.
For example, US shale and fracking technology re-established the US as a major source of supply over a decade ago.. The only problem was that the frackers were rarely profitable and borrowed huge sums of money in order to keep expanding production. This extra supply from frackers also suppressed prices, making profitability elusive. It also drew the ire of OPEC.
OPEC decided to flood the market with their spare capacity in order to try to crush the US fracking industry. This lowered prices further, forcing the frackers to borrow even more to keep going.
When the pandemic hit, it caused a huge drop in demand at a time of heightened supply. Global inventories began to spike. Once every storage tank, and tanker were full, there was no where left to put the oil being produced but not consumed. Prices dropped so fast that they went negative in April 2020 as traders were stuck with oil and no place to put it.
In response, Trump begged OPEC to cut production in April 2020, in order to save the US oil industry. He was successful. Though it was an easy request for OPEC to go along with. They couldn’t survive long at such low prices. OPEC cut 10 mbpd and global inventories began to drop. Prices slowly recovered as inventories dropped.
As the pandemic receded, demand has come back. In an attempt to match the recovering demand, OPEC has brought back all their spare capacity that they cut.
But something is wrong with the supply picture right now. While demand is back to pre-pandemic levels, supply is struggling to match it. Apparently, OPEC has not been spending the Capex necessary to maintain their previous production levels, let alone expand production. In addition, civil strife, wars, political interference etc have curtailed production in Libya, Venezuala, Iran, Iraq,etc. which have prevented most OPEC countries from meeting their production quotas. OPEC is tapped out.
Then Russia decides to invade Ukraine and mess things up even more. The world’s big oil firms that were helping Russia produce its oil, all pull out of Russia. And Russian production is going to decline over time as a result.
What about the major world oil companies and US frackers? They have been reducing capex for some time now, as prices languished. They were hurt badly by OPECs attempt to crush the frackers and then the pandemic. They have promised their shareholders and lenders that they will not spend like drunken sailors any longer, and will merely use up their current reserves. They are going to focus on shareholder returns now instead of expanding production. They are also well aware that we are currently in the middle of an energy transition away from fossil fuels. And they don’t want to spend a fortune on developing new reserves that may not be needed in 10 or 20 years time.
To try to shore up supply, the US and other countries are coordinating the release of over 200 million barrels of oil from their SPRs this year. Yet inventory levels are still dropping. So demand continues to exceed supply. And that’s in spite of continued Chinese pandemic lockdowns. What happens when China fully reopens? And what happens when SPR releases end? They will have to refill them.
The result of all these supply problems is that inventory levels have been falling for two years now and prices have been going up . Normally, high prices will bring on new supply, but that’s not the case this time. So the only way to balance supply with demand and stop inventory dropping is with higher prices.
Or with a very deep recession.
In the past, demand for oil continued to increase during most recessions. But it did drop during severe recessions. The current drop in prices seems related to expectations from traders that demand will drop because of a severe recession.
Time will tell if demand will drop below supply. Watch those inventory levels for a clue.
My best guess is that demand remains strong and inventories will continue to drop because of restricted supply. Which means upward pressure on prices in the long run.
The breakeven oil price for most companies is below $40. $80 means cash flows of 20%. $100 means cash flows over 30%. I expect oil to average over $100 this year and next.
There is no sign of demand destruction in the US so far.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Great post!
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Thanks. Just noticed your response. I don’t get many compliments here. Lol!
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago

See: “The Great Demographic Reversal” by
Charles Goodhart and Manoj Pradhan.

JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
I think it’s foolish to be overinterpret inflation expectations surveys. Better to look for significant and sustained changes in direction without worrying too much about the specific levels. The same would be true of other surveys that attempt to capture predictions. These are best seen as broad indicators of direction.

A quibble, Mish. The Federal Reserve in Washington, along with all 12 regional Fed banks, have big staffs of economists that produce all kinds of studies and papers. To complain that this or that study doesn’t get reflected in policies is to misunderstand the nature of that work. Do you really think you want everything within the Fed pointing in one direction? You know, speaking of groupthink?

worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I agree, JW. As such, I’m coining a new recession indicator. Here it is. If you live in a fairly affluent area like myself and stop off regularly at a big chain gas station like RaceTrac in GA around 7 am every morning and the entire parking area & pumps are mostly filled with commercial vehicles like tree removers etc, then we’re not in a recession. We’ll call this the “RaceTrace Test” going forward.
If the ATL GDPNow forecast from the Fed says we’ve been in a recession for two quarters, then their measurements have absolutely nothing to do with consumers or service providers. It’s an inventory / producer recession resulting from target et al not ordering much over the last six months due to bloated inventories, but I can tell you right now that my local RaceTrac Test says our economy is full steam ahead. Like balls to the wall full steam.
The ONLY thing that’s really going to slow down inflation are job losses. Otherwise, the Fed is going to undershoot, home prices will dip a modest 10% broadly along with mortgage rates dipping towards 4%, at which point the housing market will turn right around and start accelerating again. My dinky 1200 SF house has appreciated 100% in four short years. That’s absolutely batsht$t crazy. And there’s no way the Fed tames inflation below 3% without causing much more than a 10% broad decline in home prices.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
The worries about the Fed “overshooting” do have some basis, because of the tight spot they’re in after reckless QE + reckless fiscal stimulus, but I still chuckle at the “overshooting” blah blah. I see it all over the markets channels. Within the last couple weeks, they’ve yammered about not tightening enough. Now they are yammering about “overshooting.”

All of this is coming from people who (if they’re money managers) are simply talking their book, and who (especially if they’re economists) couldn’t predict the arrival of a tornado if it was 500 yards past the fence and closing rapidly.

worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Wolf Richter put together a nice labor market outline today. Like Mish, these two put out great graphs and generally have sound principles. But, I do see differences in their expectations of how this will play out. I’d love to see them together on a pod cast. Be that as it may, it’s going to take many months for there to be an uptick in unemployment, IMO. For example, I don’t see it happening this year. In addition, every month that the labor market doesn’t turn south, means the Fed continues to fall behind and inflation will remain entrenched upwards of 7%.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Got a link? Thanks. And who is Wolf Richter?
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
He’s an economist. No sure about his full Bio, but like Mish, he really seems to know his stuff. Let me know what you think:
Leprechaun
Leprechaun
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Ha, I had to laugh at your RaceTrac Test …. I live a little north of you in SE Tennessee, and I have what I call the “Surf & Turf (i.e. Camper & Boat) Test.
I live near both a large state campground and TVA lake, and both are jammed pack daily with RVs and watercraft of all types.
The average RV gets 8 mpg, and boat gas runs about $1 more per gallon vs gas station, so if we were in a recession, I’d expect to see declines in these types of activities as they are 100% discretionary.
As an aside, I asked one of the state park rangers at the lake how busy things were, and he responded that he’s seen no slowdown whatsoever.
Just an observation from my little corner of the world ….
Counter
Counter
1 year ago
Credit creation for asset transactions and consumption is unsustainable and leads to inflation. Credit creation for business investment is sustainable and does not lead to inflation. The 2008 intervention was different, it couldn’t create inflation. It was also supposed to be used in times of hardship not to bail themselves out without consequences. Except for Lehman and Bear, who were punished for not going along with the Fed IMF 98 Asian banking scheme to takeover Asian banks. The covid policies were designed to cause inflation. Central bankers knew, intention
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Hoot of the Day
Mish represents banksters and desperate to Move the Nasdaq
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
If I were the target, I’d confess to being the agent of “banksters,” and add that the job pays $100,000 a month and all the crypto I can eat. I’d say it’s great work if you can get it, and ask whether anyone is jealous. LOL
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
elevated inflation could become entrenched if the public began to question the resolve of the Committee to adjust the stance of policy as warranted”
Talk about a poor metric… the “public” couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were inscribed on the heel. The “public” believes any manner of nonsense dispensed from whatever snake oil salesman they’ve built their identity around, and will neither question it or consider any idea not from that trusted source. The “public”, if it has any inkling of what inflation means beyond “ow…hurty…X is to blame!” has no capacity to act rationally in response.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
While all you said was absolute truth, I think the public they’re referencing aren’t the same public you describe. Maybe a little higher on the food chain.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
It is a “synthetic public” something they imagine exist. Remember, they only ever meet with public at stage events. They are as deluded about this synthetic public as they are deluded about their own expertise.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Personally, I think they’ve great expertise! They’ve been stealing from our futures for over a hundred years. Now in being responsible money managers? That’s hilarious!
Naphtali
Naphtali
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
It is, indeed, the age of the experts. Never have we had so many.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I see nothing wrong with surveying the public; in fact, the other way around. The trick is in how to interpret the information.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
IMHO, the Fed pays lip service to ‘stakeholders’–ie the ‘public’, so its real agenda continues under the proverbial radar.
LostNOregon
LostNOregon
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The instructions on the heel are supposed to say “This End Up”.

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