The Supreme Court gave Trump a much-deserved smack in the face today. 
Another Case Lost, This One in the High Court
Trump is howling tonight. But those who expect laws to be followed are cheering as the Supreme Court Rule Against Trump on Alien Enemies Case.
In a 7-2 decision, the court said the Trump administration had not given the detainees enough time or adequate resources to challenge their deportations.
“Under these circumstances, notice roughly 24 hours before removal, devoid of information about how to exercise due process rights to contest that removal, surely does not pass muster,” the ruling said.
The justices barred the removal of the men, who the Trump administration alleges are members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, pending a new decision from a lower federal appellate court.
But “the Government may remove the named plaintiffs or putative class members under other lawful authorities,” they wrote.
President Donald Trump raged against the ruling later Friday afternoon.
“THE SUPREME COURT WON’T ALLOW US TO GET CRIMINALS OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!” he wrote in a post on Truth Social.
The court in its ruling acknowledged that the Venezuelans’ interests are “particularly weighty.” It noted that the government is currently arguing that it cannot “provide for the return” of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, “an individual deported in error to a prison in El Salvador.”
Trump on Truth Social
The Supreme Court has just ruled that the worst murderers, drug dealers, gang members, and even those who are mentally insane, who came into our Country illegally, are not allowed to be forced out without going through a long, protracted, and expensive Legal Process, one that will take, possibly, many years for each person, and one that will allow these people to commit many crimes before they even see the inside of a Courthouse. The result of this decision will let more CRIMINALS pour into our Country, doing great harm to our cherished American public. It will also encourage other criminals to illegally enter our Country, wreaking havoc and bedlam wherever they go. The Supreme Court of the United States is not allowing me to do what I was elected to do. Sleepy Joe Biden allowed MILLIONS of Criminal Aliens to come into our Country without any “PROCESS” but, in order to get them out of our Country, we have to go through a long and extended PROCESS. In any event, thank you to Justice Alito and Justice Thomas for attempting to protect our Country. This is a bad and dangerous day for America!
That TS post is funny, pathetic, and ironic.
“The result of this decision will let more CRIMINALS pour into our Country, doing great harm to our cherished American public. It will also encourage other criminals to illegally enter our Country, wreaking havoc and bedlam wherever they go.”
Has Trump sealed the border or not?
The law allows challenges. Trump doesn’t give any. So this is a clear case, without even commenting on the merits of the case.
“Perpetrating an Invasion”
The idea that immigrants are an “invasion” is of course nonsensical in and of itself.
I expect Trump to lose that case on merits.
Trump has taken so many extreme positions on everything. Before I saw this ruling I had this conversation on X.
Related Conversation
Charlie Kirk: Senator Eric Schmitt reveals that two-thirds of ALL universal judicial injunctions in U.S. history have been used against President Trump. The judicial coup against President Trump must be stopped.
Me: If Trump would stop flouting the constitution, the rulings would stop going against him. It’s as simple as that.
John Taylor: You actually think these district judges follow anything but partisan politics with their injunctions? Where does the constitution say that: The President can’t cut spending without congressional approval? The President can’t bring in aides to help find out where US spending is going in order to reduce fraudulent or improper payments? Illegal immigrants must get individual court dates prior to deportation?
The President can’t fire managers in the executive branch? The president can’t cut US funding to schools that allow men to compete in women’s sports? The President can’t revoke student visas of disruptive protesters from foreign countries who claimed to come here to study?
Me: John, let’s assume you are 100% correct. The remedy is pretty damn simple isn’t it? Have you ever heard of the appeals court? Q: Why was Trump so damn stupid as to fire people without giving the required 60 day notice? Why shouldn’t an order like that apply to the country? Now look at deporting the wrong person. Trump says there is nothing he can do about it. There is no remedy for the person wrongly deported. The remedy in advance is to stop such events from happening. And if Trump doesn’t like it, he has an easy remedy (appeal). Birthright Citizenship cancellation is so error prone I suspect the Supreme Court will now rule against him on these blanket judicial rulings. It is what Trump 100% deserves for taking so many extreme positions. You are a bright guy. I can’t understand how you don’t understand the view I just stated.
Synopsis
The reason two-thirds of all universal judicial injunctions in U.S. history have been used against President Trump is Trump has flouted broken the rules and flouted the constitution more than any president in history.
For those who may not know, Biden is number two. Republicans also took advantage of the court system by case shopping, and Biden lost.
The remedy if for Republicans and Democrats to stop making absurd laws by executive order.
Congress, not the president has the power of the purse. And Trump cannot change the Constitution at will as he tried to do with Birthright Citizenship.
This case is not about keeping criminals here, it is about stupid executive orders that led to a sensible ruling.
The Court gave Trump a smack in the face. Trump deserved it. And more slaps are coming.
My Suggestion Months Ago
I made a suggestion several times after Trump was elected: Work out a deal with Democrats to remove the 1 million criminals with existing criminal warrants. In return, grant amnesty to the so-called “Dreamers”.
I believe Democrats would have gone along with this. We would have had cooperation instead of resistance.
Businesses could breathe a sigh of relief, especially construction, agriculture, hotel cleaning, and fast food services.
The New Home for Hispanics is the Republican Party
Please review my November 7, 2024 post The New Home for Hispanics is the Republican Party
I had not read the Dignity Act until today. The act, or something very close, is undoubtedly the best immigration policy. It is both exceptionally balanced and bipartisan.
I hope common sense prevails over inflammatory rhetoric and The Dignity Act passes by an overwhelming majority.
On December 9, 2024, I noted On Meet the Press, Trump Said He “Wants the Illegal Dreamers to Stay”
Trump’s interview on Meet the Press sounds exactly like the deportation strategy I proposed.
Partial Interview Transcript (Emphasis Mine)
Kristen Welker:
What about dreamers, sir? Dreamers, who were brought to this country illegally as children. You said once back in 2017 they, quote, “Shouldn’t be very worried about being deported.” Should they be worried now?President-Elect Trump:
The dreamers are going to come later, and we have to do something about the dreamers because these are people that have been brought here at a very young age. And many of these are middle-aged people now. They don’t even speak the language of their country. And yes, we’re going to do something about the dreamers. And —Kristen Welker:
What does that mean? What are you going to do?President-Elect Trump:
I will work with the Democrats on a plan. And if we can come up with a plan, but the Democrats have made it very, very difficult to do anything. Republicans are very open to the dreamers. The dreamers, we’re talking many years ago they were brought into this country. Many years ago. Some of them are no longer young people. And in many cases, they’ve become successful. They have great jobs. In some cases they have small businesses. Some cases they might have large businesses. And we’re going to have to do something with them.Kristen Welker:
You want them to be able to stay, that’s what you’re saying?President-Elect Trump:
I do. I want to be able to work something out, and it should’ve been able to be worked out over the last three or four years and it never got worked out. You know, Biden could’ve done it because he controlled, you know, Congress to a certain extent, right? He could’ve done something, but they didn’t do it. I never understood why because they always seemed to want to do it, but then when it comes down to it, they don’t. I think we can work with the Democrats and work something out.
What Happened?
Trump did not opt for a deal. He deported people by mistake. He claims he cannot remedy his mistake.
Had Trump opted for a deal, we would be on our way for deporting millions. Instead, Trump opted to throw read meat to the hyenas screaming to deport them all even though that would have led to an economic collapse.
The smart thing to do was go for two bills, not one big monstrosity.
A dreamers bill coupled with ending the silliness and fraud DOGE discovered would have gotten the administration off on the right foot.
Instead, Trump is losing case after case in the courts and now Trump’s Big, Beautiful Tax Bill Dies in Committee
Trump blames the courts, he blames Senator Rand Paul, and he blames GRANDSTANDERS’ in the Republican Party” for all his woes.
Trump needs to look in the mirror to see his biggest problem, himself.
Addendum
A reader commented “You must be happy. The fifteen+ million illegals will get to stay since it will doubtless prove procedurally impossible to deport them.”
No! I am happy about the ruling but unhappy with where we are.
There are 1 million or so criminals with warrants that should be deported. There are also 12 million or so people hard-working who should not be living in fear of being deported.
So, the whole damn thing stinks.
And yes, Biden created this mess. But Trump has to deal with the hand he is dealt, not try to turn the clock back 4 years.
“I could not disagree with Mish more about illegal immigration. It’s one of the few issues that Trump has broad popular support.”
People support all kinds of stupid stuff until you tell them what it will cost.
Tell them the economy would collapse if we were to deport them all and votes for that policy only go to the bigots.
This is not in defense of what Biden did.
But the only proper remedy is to do what I suggested.
And by the way, there is no consensus for deport them all. There is support for deporting criminals.
The economy will not collapse. Just another scare tactic. We as Americans will have to adjust, we may not like not having what is basically an indentured service class, but we’ll have to get after it again. We didn’t collapse after the civil war, so I’m sure we can weather this. BTW – once everyone illegal is gone, we can bring some or many of them back legally and pay them a living wage (imagine that).
“The economy will not collapse”
That’s an interesting view given that so many people here were whining under Biden about just that happening. But please explain why MAGA business owners keep hiring illegals if there is plenty of legal labor in this country? Why is Trump promoting “taking care” of illegals in farms and hotels?
Back in 1865, we didn’t have 80 million socialists collecting social security and medicare either. In order to get rid of all the illegals you need to get rid of all the social programs, no one wants to do that especially the receivers of those benefits.
Uncle Buffy always said, “cost is what you pay, value is what you get.”
From what we know of the members of this Court, in a 7-2 decision, the dissenters’ knack for standing apart might just hint at a side hustle in “judicial gift acceptance,” subtly refining their taste for the finer things.
“The idea that immigrants are an “invasion” is of course nonsensical in and of itself.”
How is millions of people breaking into the country illegally, not an invasion?
Maybe because they were invited to go work on farms, hotels and construction sites by MAGA business owners?
Farms and Hotels have visa programs, in action, today, right now.
Perhaps you mean all the mostly white but some black too liberals that cant cut their own grass or tend to their own garden’s?
Those are the ones screaming “the economy will collapse”
You have it backwards, but TDS will cause that
Here ya go David. The Trumpster himself telling you how he’s gonna protect illegals. Yes, Trump himself and rather recently too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB__49YMx1U
checkmate.
Ron, I agree with you it arguably at least not nonsense; but it would not have been the meaning of the word at the time the constitution was written.
Trumps first election win was based on him stopping illegal immigration.
Trump promised all of us that he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it.
Instead of executing his promise to the American people, trumps tariffs on Mexico did nothing but drop the stock market by 20% and put the first match to the inflation fire.
To be clear, Illegal immigration was rampant during trumps first term and he failed to keep his campaign promises.
Does he take responsibility? Of course not.
Trump now wants to ignore his failures and disregard the law and the constitution he promised to defend. Get rid of trump. He is dangerous to the rule of law.
This post has been rated as 3 star Mishelin™ for informative commentary, savory triggering of MAGA, and delectable deep discussion.
Lots of angry comments in this post but I think it’s important to recognize why illegal immigration “issue” is never fixed. I am re-posting this link to this article below. The owner of the chain of restaurants in the article below is a big MAGA cult fan. He owns the restaurants and employs a ton of “illegals.” He employs so many “illegals” that the restaurants had no cooks in any of his restaurants when ICE showed up.
Let that sink in very deeply. Multiply that MAGA clown owner x 1 million restaurants, hotels, construction sites, etc.
As Mish properly states, the economy would collapse without those workers. Most people don’t want to live through a great depression although the poor “deplorable” racists and bigots wouldn’t be impacted because that’s how most of them live anyway – every day is a great depression for these folks and they want to inflict the same misery on everyone. No thanks.
https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/pithinthewind/lower-broadway-ice-sweeps/article_7840f5c5-fba5-447c-bb20-14016fc661aa.html
Lastly, if you want to be pragmatic about the whole situation, the best thing to do if someone is “invading” your country, it is to “invade” their country and leverage their environment.
Got exit strategy?
And for those that don’t want to believe me let’s hear Trump on this issue just watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB__49YMx1U
Eisenhower had a mass deportation. The economy survived. Obama deported some 3 million. The economy survived. We survived before Biden’s influx of illegals. Sanctuary City Los Angeles has sky high rents. MediCal is billions in the hole, with illegal aliens on the rolls. As far as angry, black Democrats in Chicago were not happy with illegal alien influx affecting their access to city services. Democrats didn’t want them at all in swanky Martha’s Vineyard. Democrats sure can be bigots, can’t they, when it affects them negatively.
And yet Trump himself, your anti-immigrant savior, says he’s gonna protect illegals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB__49YMx1U
checkmate.
Mish, Really grant immunity to how many? Ellis Island had 13.2 million “legal immigrants” over 62 years. Biden allowed 13+/- million enter over 4 years. Ellis Island immigrants changed the face of our Nation at a time when we needed workers to fuel the industrial revolution. What will these new arrivals do for work in an economy where jobs are already being lost to AI?
About 13 million
The economy would collapse if the US was stupid enough to deport them.
You said “I made a suggestion several times after Trump was elected: Work out a deal with Democrats to remove the 1 million criminals with existing criminal warrants. In return, grant amnesty to the so-called “Dreamers”.
Spot on……….I just do not understand Trump some times. When the opportunity is there to do the right thing that both parties agree on, he has yet to do so……
Mike, Who did these jobs 5 years ago? We used the have Dry-Waller’s from South Central Los Angeles, no longer. We used to have sewing factories in Los Angeles, no longer. So our economy is functioning at such a high level as of late that we need 13 million additional laborers to support it?
Mike, I love your insights and have been reading your post for like 10 years or more. You call people who want to see deportations “Bigots”. You like economics right? Did you know the Mexican Cartels were charging $10,000 per person to cross into the United States? The Cartels has control of their boarders and reaped big economic rewards. I don’t know how many of these illegals are skilled labor and are currently working in the construction industry, but as I said 1 day ago – have we really created that many new jobs in the last 4 years? You know the labor pool numbers and employment probably better than anyone. Would really like to understand your thoughts better on this one.
Trump has never blamed himself for anything.
As a landlord I have dealt with the assorted squatter laws that protect people who break into a vacant unit and set up house. Similarly we have individuals who break into this country illegally that all of a sudden have all of these so called “rights” despite simply being gross lawbreakers. This country seriously needs some legal rehabilitations
Trump is trying to run this country like Putin is running Russia. The surprise is that he actually is getting some pushback from the courts.
Russia (and USSR) pre- Putin.
Russia with Putin.
discuss
Watch Peter Santenello’s Texas Marshall program segment.
– Trump is howling tonight. But those who expect laws to be followed… > I find this disappointing, and especially coming from a Person who emphasizes “Rule Of Law” as a Motto!
– In a 7-2 decision, the court said the Trump administration had not given the detainees enough time or adequate resources to challenge their deportations. > It sounds as if they can be detained, but not deported until heard first. So find a way to detain them, and then listen to them!!! That will determine the next step necessary.
– The justices barred the removal of the men, who the Trump administration alleges are members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, pending a new decision from a lower federal appellate court. > This sounds unreasonable, as the lower court should be irrelevant in a Federal matter. They are illegal, so deportation should not be the issue either, but rather where to perhaps? A phone call can resolve that?
– But “the Government may remove the named plaintiffs or putative class members under other lawful authorities,” they wrote. > They must have supplied those alternatives and why and how correct? If so, then follow up as directed and be done with this. The Bravado has got to slow down a bit. I get it at first, but time to back off that BS! The SJC comment was childish and unwise IMO. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!
>> Trump mentioned or eluded on truth social, that we need a way to do so easier and quicker. Well last I checked He was President, so I say to Trump: “Well Get On It Then” I agree with his philosophy of faster means to an end in this particular arena, but that’s “His Job” to work to have written, just such an edict. If written well, it will be passed and the issue is resolved. Not Rocket Science…
I could not disagree with Mish more about illegal immigration. It’s one of the few issues that Trump has broad popular support. The democrat strategists threw the doors wide open for illegal immigrants in order to skew the electorate left long term. It is cynical and unamerican and it needs to be rectified.
Yes, but done properly through legislation. How did the “Democrat Strategist” throw open the doors? My guess is that they “Strategized a way to do so. Trump needs to do the same but with the opposite outcome. As President, it should be a bit easier, and a well stocked battery of individuals awaiting your command to do so, certainly Helps!! “Get It Done” I say!
What was done through proper legislation? The Biden Admin pen was signing agreements with the United Nations and circumvented our Congress and Legislature’s…….. Look it up……..Its there……..It is just not reported.
I’m sorry that is not proper legislation.
Yes, but a 7-2 ruling against is pretty eye opening. It tells me that whatever they did, it was done right! So was the result. As I eluded to, if Trump wants to change it, then do so, but do it right like they did. If it can be done, it can probably be reversed…
Trump was bamboozeled (by Cocaine Mitch?) on Kavanaugh and Amy Comey Barrett.
I see your point. But there should be no issues dealing with all illegals that are criminals. You commit a crime , you go back to where ever the hell you came from. Maybe a 3 strike rule? A 2 strike rule?
And there is no comparison to the illegals, migrants whatever the hell they should be called, no comparison between them and most that came into Ellis Island way back………The people today are coming in saying gimme gimme my free shit, and then do not seem to want to assimiliate . Yeah their children might be a different story.
Biden admin perverted the asylum laws to do it. Now Trump wants to use Aliens and Enemies law to get them out. It seems pretty similar to me. Trump is morally right on this one.
I would agree!
The baffling thing is though that Trump has a majority in both chambers and laws already in place that would let such actions happen. For some reason he insists on ignoring the law so he gets stopped. It’s like scoring an own goal. Why do the unnecessary self sabotage?
It all depends on whose ox is being gored.
It all depends upon whose neighborhood they appear.
It all depends upon who / what they “vote” for.
“I could not disagree with Mish more about illegal immigration. It’s one of the few issues that Trump has broad popular support.”
People support all kinds of stupid stuff until you tell them what it will cost.
Tell them the economy would collapse if we were to deport them all and votes for that policy only go to the bigots.
This is not in defense of what Biden did.
But the only proper remedy is to do what I suggested.
And by the way, there is no consensus for deport them all. There is support for deporting criminals.
The rich must, and will be served at the lowest possible cost.
That is why we have the naturalization process we have today.
Mish – I’m of Hispanic heritage, first generation American and fully supportive of Trump administration actions on deportations. With all the arguing going on with “procedures and legal maneuvering “,the fundamental point is lost. Illegal aliens are here Illegally! They should be egressed in the same manner they ingressed – swift and without notice. If they wish to come back at some point in the future, they can do it Legally as my parents did 80 years ago. As for arguments they are hardworking, I agree but that point is moot, based on fundamental illegality of the individual.
However, now that the supreme court has foolishly ruled the way it did, I suggest you and your liberal cohorts around the country allow these individuals and families into your homes and host them until their due process is exhausted. If you care that much about them, let’s see you act on it. Show the rest of us “heartless bastards” what salt of the earth people you are.
Great – Let’s kick out 14 million people and let the economy collapse, led by construction, agriculture, hotel cleaning, and other service jobs.
So why don’t you think?
Better yet, read what Trump accurately said about it, then didn’t do, preferring to throw read meat at a pack of deport them all hyenas.
The economy isn’t going to collapse by kicking out 14 million people that weren’t here 4 years ago. Hotels were being cleaned 4 years ago. construction and agriculture were happening 4 years ago.
Many of these construction and service jobs are going to disappear -maybe very soon. Subsidies and payments to immigrants are already disappearing. Are you among the very few who lived behind a very large wall in a gated community who will be protected from 20 million, angry, hungry, entitled illegals who will no longer have job when the American Ponzi scheme bubbles all burst. We will have to pay the price for the great American reset– it will be a reset of our own making or the Great Reset as envisioned by Klauss Schwab and the WEF. The party is over for America and the West. We are becoming less and less relevant both financially and military. Empires fall. Our empire is being taken down both by the rest of the World and especially from within. Hopefully we have a few more years to get ready for the inevitable changes and adjust. America and Europe need to start that adjustment process now. It will be painful, but it must be done. I believe removing at least half of the illegal aliens is a necessary part of that adjustment.
If every time we get a democrat administration and 20 million illegals are allowed to rush the borders, become entrenched here, use the medical system, food stamps, drive w/o insurance, commit gang criminality and generally destroy our 1st world society and then when we attempt to deport them, they have to be adjudicated one-by-one in a court system with an 8 year backlog of immigration cases, this country is OVER.
Trump should deport them and let SCROTUM/SCOTUS cry like babies.
Save the country and defy the court.
There is no middle ground.
You can’t simply defy the Courts, or what you do, will be quickly reversed in many cases, if not most. You need to fight against it in the Courts, but with “Properly Written “ legislation to reverse it. It takes time, oh well, it’s the way to do so…
mish you have a real sense of bias and pontificating without a full deck of cards for example, The scotus did not say the AEC could not be used. it ruled on providing time for accused to defend themselves and obtain resources to provide one’s defence. Good luck on that as you have seen with immigrants claiming amnesty or has you forgotten ?
Trump does not flaunt the constitution he uses the legal process to determine its constitutionality. A big difference to rational individuals. Birthright has 3 exceptions and the administration is arguing for fourth. the precident allready exists.
Trump’s birthright citizenship is so stupid that it will likely spill over into other things.
Like this case now.
The Court system needs to be put in it’s place. They don’t follow the Constitution anyway. I’ve been lawyer for over 30 years. Too many Judges laugh at you, roll their eyes and look at you like you’re crazy when you try to make constitutional arguments. They call it stare decisis– precedent. Affirming decisions that for 40 years ignored or marginalized the Constitution. I tell people all the time that we live in a post-Constitutional society. You are allowed freedom of speech when the government says so. The First Amendment is for all practical purposes, a relic of the past. The last 4 years of censorship and cancel culture demonstrates this. I could make a good case for this for most of the other amendments in the Bill of Rights. So let’s all follow the Constitution to the letter of the law when it comes to the immigration invasion, but ignore it in all other areas that are important to most basically conservative Americans. I don’t buy that anymore.
There is something missing from this. ICE has always rounded up and deported illegals throughout all administrations. Is it now bad because Trump is doing it? I am with him on this one. Does this ruling mean no one can now be deported without a trial?? This makes no sense. There must be some more clarity on how the process is carried out. Perhaps this applies only to illegals in the process of waiting for a court hearing already. No way can this apply to all, no other country does this. Also why the F aren’t the supremes making a ruling on the patriot act where the govt nazi’s can detain a US citizen indefinitely without due process or even giving their families an explanation. This is when they deem you en enemy of that state. Unbelievable.
BTW I have heard that in the metro detroit are where I am there have been numerous roundups of illegals working. That really makes no sense either. I thought it was primarily the riff raff being jettisoned. They need to fix this with legislation. Those coming here and working should be given an expedient process for citizenship if they want. As long as they are working and contributing by paying taxes they should be left alone. If they commit crimes they need to go to jail or deported.
They work for cash and pay no taxes. Seriously some of you need to wake up and quit swallowing the leftist pablum
It is the arguments Trump is using.
The Invasion idea is idiocy.
Trump has taken extreme positions on damn near everything.
And it shows up in court rulings.
Get a grip on your TDS.
Apologize , not up to speed on this topic but Why are we not sending them back to the country they came from? Is it because everyone says I’m being persecuted and my life and families is in danger if I go back to my country? Really??……..If Mexico is a danger to most Mexicans, if Guatamala is a danger to most Guatamalens, if Nigeria is a danger to most Nigerians, if Venezuela is a danger to Venezuelans now the United States of America is supposed to solve all this? And pay for all this?
I got it.The majority of the world is persecuting their own citizens, America has to take them and pay for it all, the liberals still won’t let me call a country that does that a shit hole, I can’t say America is still the greatest country in the world, and oh, but we can’t let the white South African farmers in South Africa, they have to stay and get slaugtered…….I think I understand it very clearly now.
“I got it.The majority of the world is persecuting their own citizens”. Democide was the biggest cause of unnatural death in the 20th century. More people were victims of this than all the wars combined. Something to think about when the left wants to disarm us.
How did the country ever get by before the millions let in by Biden? In just 3-4 years our whole work demographic changed? So we need everyone? That’s silly.
I guess it’s better that they resist arrest and get shot that would be legal! OMG
VANISHING POINTS, ANGLES OF CAPSIZE
There is a vanishing point in art, best illustrated by the way in which railway lines, though physically parallel, converge, through the effect of distance, towards a single point at the horizon.
There is, too, a vanishing angle in naval architecture. Though this is a complicated matter of waterplane areas, transverse metacentric heights and righting couples, its practical meaning is ‘that degree of list beyond which a vessel cannot roll back to the perpendicular’.
The global economy is now at – or, in some cases, beyond – some vanishing points and vanishing angles of its own.
Many cherished assumptions are being invalidated as economic growth ends, and contraction sets in. The tophamper of the financial system, seen as an aggregate weight of liabilities, has out-grown the underlying material economy to a point at which the moment of capsize is drawing ever nearer.
https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2025/05/17/303-at-the-end-of-modernity-part-two/
Problem with SC overly political. No one disputes they are not citizens and weren’t in the country legally. So does SC focus on those simple facts which has much broader national implications since our court system isn’t designed to and cannot deal with millions of case involving illegal immigration case challenges. No.
In a 7-2 decision, the court said the Trump administration had not given the detainees enough time or adequate resources to challenge their deportations…
TRUMP is Overly Political
That’s what a 7-2 ruling means
Mike, for the most part I do agree with you. But can you comment on why Trump was not trying to send illegals back to the country they came from? Is that because they were accepted under the definition of a refugee and granted refugee status? That seems to be the most abused area here. And yeah I guess that has to be adjudicated too but I have a hard time believing illegal mexicans or guatamalans are being persecuted in their own country.
It should be simple, you want to come here to make a better life for yourself and family, issue them a temporary visa for 1 year and let them prove it. And oh BTW you have to learn english. The EU has this language mandate in place and so does Russia of all people.
And the American government is going to have to grow in order to handle this disaster properly. Just what we need, more lawyers
as Russian person living in lawless , no due process country (=Russia) I am torn
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on one hand those are illegal, so they are illegally in country, so they broke law from beginning
on other hand there MUST BE SOME KIND OF due process, cause THERE WILL BE ALWAYS errors. no exception.
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read somewhere: stupid FBI agents raided wrong house, and then family sued , and FBI guy said they did not even check out house before raid.
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why congress won’t vote law : if person illegal here , has confirmed criminal record outside or USA criminal record, he can be expelled in 24 hours ?
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++ lets say some guy, decent guy, who lived USA for 10 years illegally somehow, had family, children born , did not have any problems w. law
should he be thrown out of country?
Trump doesn’t hire smart people anymore.
Another 15+ million new illegal aliens coming right up in 2029.
Applaud in advance for those who support this write up.
Where was the Supreme Court in 2021 when this invitation started? Was it an executive branch decision to allow the invasion? YES is the answer. Where was the Supreme Court then to overrule the Executive branches actions then?
Applaud.
Why does the United States have any borders or any citizens I ask.
“Another 15+ million new illegal aliens coming right up in 2029.”
So you are saying Trump failed to secure the border.
Interesting.
Please get a grip on your TDS Type II
Wouldn’t surprise me. Like 2016, Trump is all hot air and little in results. I have low expectations for him. Still far better than Biden, but maybe not, because if he doesn’t get things done that need to be done, we will have a Biden clone back in 2028. If he keeps us out of war and more debt regarding Russia and Iran, then he will have accomplished something very significant. I don’t think he will deliver on immigration. I asked Grok a few days ago how many illegals he had deported so far, and the figure was like 130,000, and still 6-7000 can come in every month. At that rate he’ll be lucky to deport a million by the end of his term. Far, far less than Clinton or Obama.
And yes, Biden created this mess.
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So biden was responsible for every illegal crossing even before his presidency started ?
Biden said during the 2020 debates he was going to open the border, and that is why you had 11 million “border encounters” during his administration, and likely the 4 million deportations were from that 11 million.
Biden was mentally incompetent and not responsible for anything at all.
On his now infamous campaign video he proclaimed “SURGE THE BORDER!’ to any and all who wanted to come.
Sabe?
Illegals being allowed to stay w/o problems started under Reagan (1986 Amnesty for 3,000,000), continued under Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama and was curtailed 95% under Trump #1.
Biden campaigned with “SURGE THE BORDER” encouragement, Soros’ Open Society and numerous NGO’s(with your tax $$) funded it and logistically enabled it and in 4 years under Biden, we now have about 20 million more illegals to digest..
Sabe?
Biden is responsible for allowing millions to come in. He even tore down fences in Texas and waved them through.
So Yes, Biden is responsible.
Trump has already proven the border flows can be shut down has he not?
If you give citizenship to dreamers, their parents move to the front of the citizenship line because family reunification is the number 1 criteria for citizenship. Once those parents get their citizenship, the rest of their family moves to the front of the line, This results in mass amnesty for millions of illegals. A better approach is a deal where dreamers get citizenship but their parents do not, I have read the Democrats reject this.
How in the world can anyone make a determination about how hard working those 12 million illegals are? Aside from that how does how hard working they are have any bearing on the subject? There’s all this hullabaloo about following the law and yet they broke the law by entering the country and remaining here. My parents and I came to this country legally from Southern Europe in a time before handouts. I guess we just have to eat all the hardships and smile about it.
Its just the reliable narrative of the AntiFa crowd and Democrats along with the Chamber of Commerce stooges.
The same groups say they believe the below statement is still true.
“The American people support this agreement because they know it’s good for jobs in America and good for human rights and the development of democracy in China.”
-Bill Clinton
there have always been handouts. take a tour of some settlement houses built by rich women in the 1800s. also handouts in 1700s too.
Until recently it was frowned upon socially to receive welfare. Think what you want about that but on the whole I think it better that way for society. So taking a handout of any kind was a mark against personal pride. That motivated people to work hard at not being in that position. The level if handouts back then us nothing like now.
Well Said Mish,
Appreciate the honesty on these charged topics!
The great majority of Obama’s deportees got no court hearing.
They never thought to ask for one. They quietly got on the bus or plane.
When a government does things quietly, you get productive results.
You should do more research. https://www.voicesheardfoundation.org/post/deportations-and-due-process-comparing-obama-and-trump-policies
Why is Trump being held to a different standard than Obama, who removed upwards of 5 million illegals and was known as the reporter—in-chief?
Damn spell check. Deporter-in -chief.
Nothing wrong with spell check. Read before send. My motto – read twice, send once. Like the carpenters’ measure twice, cut once. Good luck being perfect – as am I.
I thought the arguments here from MAGA was that Obama didn’t deport anyone and now he’s the deporter-in-chief? So you’re saying Obama was better at deporting than Trump?
What next, Obama was a better president than Trump? You MAGA guys need to get your story straight, translate it from the 5D realm for us lesser folks.
But to answer your question, I don’t recall Obama sending people to an El Salvador concentration camp. Maybe that’s the difference?
Obama did not defy a federal court order to not deport someone.
He did not deport people to concentration camps.
He did not suggest suspending habeas corpus.
i like your points. but look into obama NDAA. under him, extra judicial execution was allowed. see judge napolitano for example.
obama murdered 1174 children via ‘Collateral Damage’ with Predator Drone strikes.
He crowed about how good he was at “killing people.”
And he received the Nobel Peace Prize in advance of his Droning Frenzy…
That POS is headed to the hottest part of Hell and doesn’t seem to care as long as he can continue to enjoy life to the MAXX, buy beachside estates, fly private, yacht with David Geffen and Jeff Bezos while he’s still walking the Planet..
After he left office, he never spent one minute helping inner city ‘youth of color’ or living the “Net Zero” life he wants to force you to live..
He’d rather spend his time grifting Netflix and writing self-adulating books for the NY Times Best Seller Books list.
Prove me wrong.
obama was not challenged by federal judges and hundreds of nuisance law fare/lawsuits..
It was considered racist to challenge his lordship..
Obama is the prez who implemented the “children in cages” policy.
When Trump came in, photos finally emerged and he was blamed.
obama was the most toxic human (h0t0) POS to ever hold public office in this country..
You have to examine the statistic of “deportation”. Does that include deporting those who are apprehended in a “border encounter”.
So in the case of Birdbrain Biden administration, there were 11 million “border encounters”, and how many of the 4 million that Biden “deported” were from those 11 million ?
Did Biden administration engage in raids or arrests of illegal or undocumented immigrants in America towns and cities such as Chicago or Los Angeles ?
Seems like Trump is doing that, as they just made a major bust of immigrants at a night club in Colorado Springs.
Like a growing number of US communities, Torrance County, New Mexico, is convinced its financial survival depends on locking up immigrants.
https://archive.ph/oPOs6#selection-1185.0-1185.139
Trump is turning out to be a huge disappointment. Every act is performative, all promises seem to be made without any lawyers input and turn out to be illegal. Sickening.
If only we could have had some type of warning like his FIRST failed and impeached administration.
The only difference is that Birdbrain Biden was more of a disaster and he did not get politically impeached, and the media thought he was genius and coherent. I’m sure you did as well.
Bruce Springsteen said the Trump administration is ‘corrupt, incompetent and treasonous’.
Trump has decided to send Springsteen to El Salvador, not because of what he said, but because he has a tattoo that Pam Bondi thinks may be Tren de Aragua.
It’s up to El Salvador whether they send him back or not for an actual trial.
Good. I’m fine without Springsteen.😄
Yeah, Bruce Springstein scream mumbles more than Pearl Jam.
So it would be a major benefit for American culture and music scene if he was sent to an El Salvador prison.
This article is all about wanting to be right about illegals, just because it costs something we should keep the good ones. Yes, please find a method to only keep the good ones. Whom would be in charge of that? Let’s keep the millions that aren’t bad. I’m sure they’re a net benefit.
I know the reason, the MAGA cult operates in 5D, 3 dimensions of dumb + 2 additional dimensions of extra-sensory-dumbness.
And that’s 5D dumb for you. SCOTUS says because Trump is impotent to fix his mistakes that his team made, extra precaution is now needed with due process. Oh the irony and sweet poetic justice of 5D dumb.
Agree that Trump’s worst enemy is Trump and we all knew this from Trump I but because he operates in 5D (dumb), here we are in the same place with Trump II again.
Let’s recap:
1. Trump caves on tariffs and hasn’t really completed any “deal”
2. Trump breaks laws and with Qatar jet gift – giving dems ammo to impeach
3. Trump budget blows up
4. Trump loses at supreme court
5. MAGA losing elections all over the place
Bonus: Fed doesn’t lower rates for Trump
The clock ticks toward mid-terms and Trump is out in 1345 days forever.
Winning!
moody’s downgrades UST notes
yeah but yields didn’t move much, let’s see what happens monday.
last of the rating agencies. a yawn i think. but a canary possibly.
yep, they finally caught up with S&P who I believe downgraded US debt during B.O.’s first term and administration, and it likely got them a visit from the IRS afterward (which of course the mainstream media did not seem to care much about)
aye aye. i think trump is the man to finally pull an argentina.
I am confused…my understanding is that the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations collectively deported millions of illegals, with Obama alone deporting over 3 million. Given that, why is it that Trum seems to be blocked from deprting even a few. What an I missing here?
The other Presidents did it quietly. They were simply taking care of our borders, as their job required.
Besides deporting, they also turned away untold thousands at the border.
Clinton, Bush, and Obama used due process. Trump has his gestapo going around arresting anyone who is brown and has tattoos and shipping them to El Salvador with NO DUE PROCESS.
The gestapo admits it made at least one mistake and probably others and Trump says he is an impotent leader that can’t bring them back because El Salvador is the most powerful nation on earth subordinate to no one.
bingo
They were each competent enough to use the law. Trump is incompetent and has surrounded himself with incompetents. We told you this would happen, incompetent voter.
Biden promised an open border during the 2020 debates. That is why he had 11 million “border encounters”.
How many of the 4 million that Biden “deported” were from that 11 million ?
That is what a lot here are intentionally avoiding or perhaps missing when they praise the amount of immigrants that were “deported” under Biden.
I wonder how many of those 4 million “deported” eventually crossed the border illegally and ended up living in a city or town within the USA ?
And yet they keep coming and even coming back. Perhaps we should break their legs before they get deported to give them something to remember the USA by?
Agree with Mish that “one giant bill” was a dumb idea. Establishment GOP hack Hugh Hewitt wanted one bill because he didn’t want to risk not getting the 2017 tax cuts extended. Nothing is ever more important than tax cuts to these people. Regarding deporting criminals, we now know that 24 hours to challenge their expulsion isn’t enough. Hopefully the administration can come up with an expedited process. SCOTUS didn’t decide whether invoking the Alien Enemies Act was/is valid. In his concurrence, Kavanaugh said they should have.
Is 48 hours good?
hewitt is smart but a real warmongering pawn for MICC
i like your idea about amnesty to DACA and following the rule of law. i think trump just enjoys being in the headlines no matter what. remember he did press conferences after his indictments, his entire trials, and even his mug shot. he’s just an entertainer with fascist tendencies. as charlie chaplin made a film about hitler being the greatest actor of his age, trump is the greatest actor of our age.
I expect that Trump will take care of the Dreamers at the end of his term, on his way out.
A magnanimous gesture, a shining star on his legacy.
He won’t want to anger the base before the midterms.
That would be funny. Wait til the end of his term and then deport them all.
No, sorry – that won’t get Trump’s name in lights.
Democratic votes are the reason for this insane ruling. California and other immigrant heavy states have at least twenty more electoral votes that belong to other states.The court is giving a green light to a one party system. When the courts can not distinguish between rights, privledges and those that have stolen priviledge to be in the country the system is dead. ‘We don’t want to detain them – we want to send them back to where they came from’ Luckily, now Trump can communicate with the Supeme Court with the middle finger and tell the court that they don’t have the house and they lost any respect the PRESIDENT(executive) had for the courts. When you have corrupt judges the people revolt. I think it is time for Kash Patel to question Justice Roberts about Epstein island.
Patel and Bondi are jokes. Don’t have false hope in those two.
how about give 3/5th vote of illegals to their employers.
The illegals came in without due process and they can be deported without due process.
Do you have reading comprehension issues? TDS? Both?
Don’t you understand what the Supreme Court just ruled?
Are you that dense?
you’re on the wrong bus, Mish. You used to have some direction but not anymore
My direction is consistent with the law.
A 7-2 ruling that I called in advance.
And I am about the only person in bloggersphere who has constantly ruled on the law, correctly, and has both praised and panned Trump and Biden.
If want direction, go to Truth Social where you can hand out with everyone like yourself who has TDS Type II.
Sadly, it doesn’t work this way.
Shakespeare knew this centuries ago, which is why he coined the line “First thing, let’s kill all the lawyers” in Henry VI.
It was over for the USA (and Europe and the Anglo nations) when Marxists allowed tens of millions of illegal aliens with cultures that not only conflict but which are hostile to the values of our former republic and on a larger scale-Western Civilization. This of course was done intentionally and with full knowledge of what the consequences would be by our beloved oligarchs who have carefully planned and executed their strategy.
The Constitution has been selectively applied only in cases where the results are detrimental and in fact destructive to Western nations. So now with 30-50 million illegals in America, we will now be bogged down in the courts and administrative processes to perhaps remove maybe 1% of the illegals over the next 4 years, while probably multiples of that amount continue to filter in. Talk about national and cultural suicide. It’s happening. Nothing can stop it.
Russia, China , Iran-in fact almost any other non-Western country– do not have this problem. They address such immigration problems like any sane nation would do-prior to the problem becoming a terminal affliction. They protect their citizens and their country and culture. Such countries will continue to prosper and grow, while the West slips into irrelevance and economic and cultural decay. As Americans and the West go forth boldly into their self-imposed DeFacto civil war of hatred, conflict and war between and amongst ourselves, our “enemies” will reap the benefits of the final decline and eventual fall of Western Civilization.
At least the Trump haters (and I am no Trump lover) can take satisfaction with the victories their Team will enjoy in putting 47 in his place.
Stop comparing democracies to fascist communist dictatorships. China, Russia and Iran are zombie failed nation states. Eventually their citizens will revolt en masse.
Russia is NOT a fascist Communist dictatorship. Haven’t been since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, except maybe for the next 8-10 years when the Russian Oligarchs stoled most of the Russian wealth and impoverished the citizens. But then came Putin.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Nor is Iran a fascist Communist dictatorship . Yes the Supreme Religious Leader has veto power over many issues. Is that really any worse than the known and unknown Oligarchs in America, who essentially select our leaders for both parties and maintain almost complete monopolistic control over the media and certainly the US Congress (i.e-if you doubt that just look at the pathetic display of our Congress groveling to Bibi Netanyahu every time he invites himself to lecture our Congress) You really think that is any better than the Iran form of Government? I don’t. Do you really think the Congress and/or Courts give a dam about the U.S. Constitution? Only when it suits the whims of our Oligarchs and elites. Thank God we at least have Thomas Massie to speak up for us-maybe rand Paul and a few others.
You think the Russians might revolt and throw out Putin? If you do, you have no business commenting on such issues as you clearly don’t know what you are talking about.
Your suggestion is interesting, but between quickly deporting one million criminals (it’s a much lower number probably) and granting amnesty to Dreamers are twenty+ million illegal aliens. Since he cannot deport the hardened criminals, they will all remain so medical, municipal, educational and criminal services will suffer greatly since so many are unskilled and dependent on handouts.
Congress is dysfunctional; the Courts are mainly good for blocking Executive actions; So Trump 2.0 is blocked like Trump 1.0.
US has been a post-constitutional republic for some time, but few have the wit to grok it.
I think that in return for amnesty governors would be requires to assist in finding those with warrants. Also give someone $500 for turning someone in. Lots of ways to speed this up.
I’m pretty sure Papa Dave and Monkey Pox are in Tren de Aragua. That’ll be $1,000.
I’m pretty sure you have a white pointy hooded hat somewhere in your wardrobe. Better hide it real good because soon there will be way more of “them” than you and there’s nothing you can do about it, absolutely nothing.
Lighten up, Francis.
ha ha ha. love the humor and absurd idea to make everyone a rat fink. see something, say something.
True. In a normal healthy country. But so many governors, even GOP ones, follow an obstructionist agenda. I cannot recall a time when US politics were not intensely toxic. Am 70. Maybe Eisenhower, when I was (presumably) in diapers? Discouraging!
How much for just the scalp?
Read about Cloward Piven Strategy.
Intentionally strain the system by overwhelming the USA with third world immigrants.
And falsely promote we need more low skilled workers to justify this.