Chicago area drivers stranded their Teslas at charging stations in Chicago highlighting the foolishness of owing an EV without a reliable home charger. 
Bunch of Dead Robots
Please consider a Bunch of Dead Robots Out Here.
Desperate Tesla owners in and around Chicago were seen trying to charge their vehicles with no luck amid frigid temperatures that have gripped the Midwest.
“Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent,” Tyler Beard, who had been trying to recharge his Tesla at an Oak Brook, Illinois Tesla supercharging station since Sunday afternoon, told the news outlet. “And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday.”
“This is crazy. It’s a disaster. Seriously,” said Tesla owner Chalis Mizelle. Mizelle said she abandoned her car and got a ride from a friend after hers would not charge. “We got a bunch of dead robots out here,” one man said.
Do I feel sorry for anyone in this situation? No, I don’t. Nor should anyone else.
There is an upside.
The lesson of the day is don’t buy an EV unless you have a home charger. Hopefully this news will stop other people from being silly.
And the report inspired some creative thinking. One person suggested putting a windmill on top of the car to charge the battery.
Only 6 Percent in the US want an EV for their Next Vehicle
On January 15, I noted Only 6 Percent in the US want an EV for their Next Vehicle
If enough people see the dead EV report they may think twice especially if they live where it’s cold.
Hertz Is Selling 20,000 EVs Due to Lack of Customer Demand
On January 11, I noted Hertz Is Selling 20,000 EVs Due to Lack of Customer Demand
Hertz is selling a third of its EVs globally, with 20,000 in the US and will use some of the money to buy more Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) gasoline-powered cars.
Add that to the list of inconvenient facts.
Seeking Green Utopia, the US and EU are Quietly Killing Vital Industries
Despite the inconvenient facts, the US and EU governments are hell bent on pushing everyone they can into EVs.
The sad reality is a Green utopia will never exist. Meanwhile, the US and EU are Quietly Killing Vital Industries.
Finally, in China where EVs are soaring, China is still rapidly adding coal power plants to produce the needed electricity. Hooray?
And these deranged morons are now pushing for electric school buses.
I was wonder if these cars are pretty useless in the cold winter , is there a lawnmowing attachment.
This is called Schadenfroide.
I saw what you did there.
Pain is the best remedy for stupid. I have experience.
Good one. And honestly, don’t we all…….
Is this the Climate Zealots selling point and feature of EV’s? If so, I do have a few rather important questions, I would like answered.
1. Does Every EV come with a Wool Blanket, Toilet Paper, Hat and Gloves, and a Cell Phone Charger (that last one may be asking too much, now that I think about the situation at hand, but I digress…) in the trunk?
2. Does Every EV come with a Warning Label posted on the dashboard, that states: “Do Not Operate This Vehicle in under 40 Degree Weather”?
3. Do EV’s get “Pop-Ups” on their dashboards, like GV’s Get: “Do You Need directions to the Nearest Charging Station” and are they accurate at all?
4. How does the range on a Toyota Prius GV fully gassed up, compare to a EV fully charges up?
5. How much does it cost to Gasoline Fill Up a Prius Vs. Electricity Charging Full an EV?
6. How does the Cost compare to Replace just the Battery on an EV to replacing every part of the GV Electrical System All At Once?
Simply way too many questions, with way too many complicated, unknown in some cases, untested in many cases, Answers. Very few Adequate Solutions to far too many Needed questions for me.
Check back in about a decade, and if they have solved the Problems, since the inception of EV’s many, many decades ago, I will consider looking into it then. So far however, the Same Exact Problems with EV’s since their conception, still exist today as they did Way Back Then!!!
Thank goodness for America and it’s Citizens, that we chose GV’s over EV’s and Steam Engines (the only 3 viable options) way back then…
Well, if the EV won’t charge, it won’t run; therefore reduced overall pollution. Hooray! Once again, Chicago leads the way.
Does that mean, that owning an EV will give you Green Envy?
This Tesla battery info likely applies to other EV’s. ——–Battery Care
Never allow the Battery to fully discharge.
Even when Model 3 is not being driven, its Battery discharges very slowly to power the onboard electronics. The Battery can discharge at a rate of approximately 1% per day, though the discharge rate may vary depending on environmental factors (such as cold weather), vehicle configuration, and your selected settings on the touchscreen. Situations can arise in which you must leave Model 3 unplugged for an extended period of time (for example, at an airport when traveling). In these situations, keep the 1% in mind to ensure that you leave the Battery with a sufficient charge level. For example, over a two week period (14 days), the Battery may discharge by approximately 14%.
Discharging the Battery to 0% may result in damage to vehicle components. To protect against a complete discharge, Model 3 enters a low-power consumption mode when the displayed charge level drops to approximately 0%. In this mode, the Battery stops supporting the onboard electronics and auxiliary low voltage battery. Once this low-power consumption mode is active, immediately plug in Model 3 to prevent a jump start and low voltage battery replacement.
Note
If Model 3 is unresponsive and does not unlock, open, or charge, the low voltage battery may be discharged. In this situation, try jump starting the low voltage battery (see Jump Starting). If the vehicle is still unresponsive, use the mobile app to schedule a service appointment.
Temperature LimitsFor better long-term performance, avoid exposing Model 3 to ambient temperatures above 60° C or below -30° C for more than 24 hours at a time.
link to tesla.com
At those extreme temperatures fatter life is cut in half or even more.
They let the charge in the battery get too low, cold depletes the capacity. Take to the fast charger more frequently or get a home charger off of a hundred and 20 volts, Its slow, but will keep constant pressure on the battery towards filling up.
You’re missing the point. Most don’t want to deal with these extra headaches. Especially in dangerous sub zero temps. Most people park thier car outside while at work. Is the boss gonna let you run out every 2 hours for 1 hour to top of the charge?
It’s the equivalent of having your gas tank capacity reduced in an ICE vehicle, and having to fill up/top-off more frequently to keep the fuel tank from shrinking more.
I’m sure someone will reply with a silly statement like “don’t use the EV as your primary vehicle”. The average person does not have the extra scratch to have a primary/secondary vehicle.
Just like with Bitcoin, EV proponents are turning into religious zealouts who refuse to see/admit any downside.
Fast charging puts more wear on batteries. So sorry.
It’s all part of the learning curve. Another reason for EV sales growth to slow and PHEV sales to accelerate.
I expect PHEV sales to exceed EV sales before 2030.
They will have no choice, unless of course, they can quickly engineer a solution that allows and EV with all its faults, to have access when needed to another power source, like Gasoline.
Hey, wait a minute now… That Would Be A PHEV.
Well how about that! Papa you have just solved this ridiculously ludicrous BS EV Experiment!!! I am 100% onboard!
If only we had PHEV’s BEFORE EV’s, then we would Never have even went the route of EV’s to begin with. Now that we see the errors in our engineering and the faulty push by the Zealots.
Let’s discard/scrap the EV Non-Solution Project, and go directly to GV’s and PHEV’s as the appropriate and adequate solution to the issues at hand. We will gain a lot, and in a lot of areas.
1. Dependability
2. Range
3. Cost
4. Infrastructure
5. Reliability
Who are we kidding, as this list would Be Endless!!!
Wonder how many ICE vehicles under the same conditions had to be jumped off.
MORE THAN TESLA by a long shot
If so, then cite your sources. If nothing but your opinion, then many thanks for your nothing. Also, even if more ICE vehicles had to be jumped (probable due to the comparatively tiny number of EVs), at least those ICEs were still functional after a 10-minute recharge. The EVs are still just lithium bricks.
Yes I do feel sympathy for these folks because not charging in Chicago in the winter really is something I would have expected Tesla to anticipate and fix before selling cars in Chicago.
I feel sympathy for them as I would a retarded child
Carrying a gas generator in the back would make it a hybrid.
Why not add a foot power or pedal option, similar to the Flintstone’s?
Mish you got me wondering what your real agenda is here at Mish Talk. Your spin has got me scratching my chin. What’s up?
buddy , YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST F_OFF! and take your wondering same path!
= like any social media, is clicks
wow. thanks captain. we did not know!
uneducated mo1ron???
You have a problem with The Truth?
Anyone who buys an EV is a moron. Get it?
Wait, you’re telling me that the upper 1/3 of the country isn’t suitable for BEVs for 3-4 months out of the year? And, then the lower 1/3 being subject to flooding isn’t any better? And, my insurance costs more?
Count me out. I’ll keep my Prius. Hell, my dad’s Ford Maverick is netting him 43 MPG.
***FJB***
Buying an EV is an IQ test… those who buy one fail
WARNING – bad joke ahead.
Not many people know this, but General Motors had initially decided that to promote sales of their new EV models to rental fleets, the best route would be to form a joint venture company in partnership with a major rental car company – in this case Hertz.
In order to name their half of the new joint venture company, GM decided to harken back to the initial success of its now defunct SATURN division and use the name of a planet.
So accordingly, the name of the newly proposed joint-venture company would be…(drum roll)…
URANUS-HERTZ
The proposed joint venture never got off the ground, but the name, in reality, sums up the way that most of us feel about having EV’s forced on us by government mandate, and in dealing with EV’s in general.
Since last July was supposed to be something like the hottest on record, should it even be that cold in Chicago in January?
As a former mid-westerner, yes, it is supposed to be that cold.
On Dec 1 I preempted winter with a new battery in WMT for $139.84. When TSLA battery dies u can toss the whole car.
Great for the towing industry. This has to be the “Towing 20’s” for that industry.
Charging at home might have no benefits. Power companies were asking home consumers to limit their electric use because of record load on the infrastructure. One of the restrictions was to stop charging electric vehicles.
The cold effects the batteries. If your home charger is outside it doesn’t make any difference to using the superchargers. Charging times will be much increased.
or you can put the EV in a garage and use fossil fuels to heat the garage.
“EV Groopies can ignore reality, but they cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”
You can’t charge an EV in Chicago but Biden is going to electrify the military. Stupid people are running this country and even dumber people are voting for them.
It is impossible to be this stupid. There is an agenda. Think.
Being wrong 100% of the time isn’t stupid, it’s design.
They seem to work in Norway….
yeah i saw thousands of them driving up and down the fjords and ploughing through the deep snow up in the north of Norway recently. There’s almost as many EVs as there are lemmings amd polar bears.
The devil is in the details…
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Why Norway — the poster child for electric cars — is having second thoughts
Electric cars are crucial, but not enough to solve climate change. We can’t let them crowd out car-free transit options.
By David Zipper Oct 31, 2023, 7:00am EDT
OSLO, Norway — With motor vehicles generating nearly a 10th of global CO2 emissions, governments and environmentalists around the world are scrambling to mitigate the damage. In wealthy countries, strategies often revolve around electrifying cars — and for good reason, many are looking to Norway for inspiration.
Over the last decade, Norway has emerged as the world’s undisputed leader in electric vehicle adoption. With generous government incentives available, 87 percent of the country’s new car sales are now fully electric, a share that dwarfs that of the European Union (13 percent) and the United States (7 percent). Norway’s muscular EV push has garnered headlines in outlets like the New York Times and the Guardian while drawing praise from the Environmental Defense Fund, the World Economic Forum, and Tesla CEO Elon Musk. “I’d like to thank the people of Norway again for their incredible support of electric vehicles,” he tweeted last December. “Norway rocks!!”
I’ve been writing about transportation for the better part of a decade, so all that fawning international attention piqued my curiosity. Does Norway offer a climate strategy that other countries could copy chapter and verse? Or has the hype outpaced the reality?
So I flew across the Atlantic to see what the fuss was about. I discovered a Norwegian EV bonanza that has indeed reduced emissions — but at the expense of compromising vital societal goals. Eye-popping EV subsidies have flowed largely to the affluent, contributing to the gap between rich and poor in a country proud of its egalitarian social policies.
Worse, the EV boom has hobbled Norwegian cities’ efforts to untether themselves from the automobile and enable residents to instead travel by transit or bicycle, decisions that do more to reduce emissions, enhance road safety, and enliven urban life than swapping a gas-powered car for an electric one.
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link to vox.com
It is in the details. They’re not regretting the cars, but the amount of money they spent to encourage them and the fact that they would rather people NOT drive at all rather than drive electric.
Isn’t this more of a design flaw in EVs? It would be enough for there to be heaters in or around the batteries which would be powered during recharges, and would be triggered depending on the outside temperature.
It would be an engineering issue not a design issue. Also, how much exactly would this add to the cost of the vehicles again? Also, how do they work when the battery is almost dead again?
Add a 2nd battery? [lol]
Many elite university banners prominently displayed on the front porches in Oak Brook, Western Springs, Hinsdale and Burr Ridge, but did anybody take a high school physics class?
Dead Teslas pack Oak Brook Supercharger station due to cold weather (fox32chicago.com)
No physics, but they do have abundance of moral superiority. But to their chagrin it doesn’t power their EV. Similar to how they want open borders but won’t house the migrants in their home. Plenty of that in western springs, etc.
Don’t electrons flow better at reduced temperatures?
This is just a little inconvenience. I am thankful for these people. They are saving the world. More of you need to step up and eliminate your carbon footprint. Stop traveling, drive an EV, don’t eat meat and we will thank you. Just leave the rest of us alone.
Be sure to comply with Al Gore’s request to take cold showers… while he flits about in his private jet. Be good proles now
Hertz is leading the way in divesting itself of EVs . . . there are going to be a lot of cheap used EVs on the market soon . . .
When government tries to choose the winning technology it is usually a disaster. If government wants to promote innovation they could end the subsidies that they previously gave to oil, and gas. New subsidies on top of old to compete with the old ones is very expensive.
Government propaganda floods the media regarding climate etc. Don’t trust the Administrative State in DC–Democrat Controlled GANG–like the CCP—They take bribes to hurt us While China builds coal power plants
As Ive mentioned before, very few people have lives so predictable that a dedicated electric (100% batteries)-only car makes any sense. What made the Chevy Volt (discontinued since 2019) such a great car was the gasoline engine that could generate electricity as needed when the battery was spent. And while Mish is right — dont feel sorry for these people — understand the people who buy Teslas are usually rich and educated (or black and poor and using questionable money), and should have known better than buying this flashy car to show off to your friends — it will require a little bit of thinking to avoid the inflexibilities of its design.
I have a 2013 Volt with only 40k miles on it that runs very well. The battery life is only 23 miles these days but it gets me around on short trips and the electric motors have GREAT torque. It does not feel like a punishment car. Gas over electric is a great way to go.
Until/if gasoline becomes prohibitively expensive. Thats the whole point of this electric vehicle exercise, even tho Biden and company never talk about it. Why exactly are we doing this again? Cause electric cars are cool?? 🙂
The original range on this car was rated as 38 miles. Now 10 years and 40k miles later, using your 23 mile number, the car has lost 40% of its original capacity.
Applying this number to a 300 mile original range means that such a car would get approximately 180 miles before needing a charge.
Would that be acceptable to the majority of people? How much would it impact resale value?
The good news is Tesla has the lowest carjacked vehicle.
Why is this?
Because it turns into a $100,000 paperweight at below 20 degrees fahrenheit?
And yet they keep selling more cars…
And yet they keep selling fewer and fewer cars…
There are quite a few stupid people… look at how many injected those untested Covid vaccines.
Yep… ditto Ukraine War… ditto covid measures… ditto ESG… ditto the EU, in time.
New York, California, and Illinois are the last places I would manufacture anything. How could they possible produce at a competitive price?
Tax credits???
lol QED.