The Fed Uncertainty Principle and a Big Swift Kick in the Pants

Fed Chair Jerome Powell following January Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) Meeting.

Fed Flashback 2008

One of my personal favorite posts, and I have been blogging since March of 2002, is my April 3, 2008 post  Fed Uncertainty Principle

This is the same post, but stripped of much of the discussion of the events at the time. 

Does the Fed Follows the Market?

Most think the Fed follows market expectations. 

However, this creates what would appear at first glance to be a major paradox: If the Fed is simply following market expectations, can the Fed be to blame for the consequences? More pointedly, why isn’t the market to blame if the Fed is simply following market expectations?

This is a very interesting theoretical question. While it’s true the Fed typically only does what is expected, those expectations become distorted over time by observations of Fed actions.

The Observer Affects The Observed

The Fed, in conjunction with all the players watching the Fed, distorts the economic picture. I liken this to Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle where observation of a subatomic particle changes the ability to measure it accurately.

To measure the position and velocity of any particle, you would first shine a light on it, then detect the reflection. On a macroscopic scale, the effect of photons on an object is insignificant. Unfortunately, on subatomic scales, the photons that hit the subatomic particle will cause it to move significantly, so although the position has been measured accurately, the velocity of the particle will have been altered. By learning the position, you have rendered any information you previously had on the velocity useless. In other words, the observer affects the observed.

The Fed, by its very existence, alters the economic horizon. Compounding the problem are all the eyes on the Fed attempting to game the system.

The Fed cannot change the primary trend in interest rates. However, the Fed can exaggerate the trend, temporarily slow it, or hold the trend for an unreasonably long period of time after the market (without Fed distractions) would have acted. This leads to various distortions, primarily in the direction of the existing trend.

A good example of this is the 1% Fed Funds Rate in 2003-2004. It is highly doubtful the market on its own accord would have reduced interest rates to 1% or held them there for long if it did.

What happened in 2002-2004 was an observer/participant feedback loop that continued even after the recession had ended. The Fed held rates rates too low too long. This spawned the biggest housing bubble in history. The Greenspan Fed compounded the problem by endorsing derivatives and ARMs at the worst possible moment.

The Fed has so distorted the economic picture by its very existence that it is fatally flawed logic to suggest the Fed is simply following the market therefore the market is to blame. There would not be a Fed in a free market, and by implication there would be no observer/participant feedback loop.

Fed Uncertainty Principle

The Fed, by its very existence, has completely distorted the market via self-reinforcing observer/participant feedback loops. Thus, it is fatally flawed logic to suggest the Fed is simply following the market, therefore the market is to blame for the Fed’s actions. There would not be a Fed in a free market, and by implication, there would not be observer/participant feedback loops either.

Corollary Number One

The Fed has no idea where interest rates should be. Only a free market does. The Fed will be disingenuous about what it knows (nothing of use) and doesn’t know (much more than it wants to admit), particularly in times of economic stress.

Corollary Number Two

The government/quasi-government body most responsible for creating this mess (the Fed), will attempt a big power grab, purportedly to fix whatever problems it creates. The bigger the mess it creates, the more power it will attempt to grab. Over time this leads to dangerously concentrated power into the hands of those who have already proven they do not know what they are doing.

Corollary Number Three

Don’t expect the Fed to learn from past mistakes. Instead, expect the Fed to repeat them with bigger and bigger doses of exactly what created the initial problem.

Corollary Number Four

The Fed simply does not care whether its actions are illegal or not. The Fed is operating under the principle that it’s easier to get forgiveness than permission. And forgiveness is just another means to the desired power grab it is seeking.

Additional 2008 Comment

The above text is as written in April of 2008. Here’s an additional comment worth discussing.

Would the market on its own accord be setting rates at the current Fed Funds Rate of 2.25? It’s possible, but there is no way to tell.

It’s even possible the Fed is behind the curve by not acting fast enough. This is of course all guesswork. I don’t know, you don’t know, and the Fed does not know what to do. This is part of the “Fed Uncertainty Principle” and a key reason why the Fed should be abolished. After all, how can you give such power to a group of fools that have clearly proven they have no idea what they are doing?

Big Swift Kick in the Pants

My mom had a saying she frequently used when one of the neighborhood kids was doing or saying something she did not like. 

Mom also used the same expression when she wanted someone to speed up what they were doing. 

Mom: So and so “Needs a Big Swift Kick in the Pants

That is exactly what happened yesterday when St. Louis Fed President James Bullard stated in a Bloomberg video: 

I’d like to see 100 basis points in the bag by July 1. I was already more hawkish but I have pulled up dramatically what I think the committee should do.”

Forward Guidance 

It’s possible Bullard was stating that on his own. But more likely it’s an admission by the Fed that it finally realizes it’s way behind the curve.

Prior to yesterday, the market was only pricing in a 20% chance of a double rate hike. 

Bullard, most likely with Powell’s approval, thought the market needed a big swift kick in the pants so he delivered one.

Market participants, having been given a big swift kick in the pants, took the ball and ran with it. So now the average expectation is for at seven quarter-point hikes this year with significant chances of even more aggressive policy.

Fed Chair Jerome Powell, and former chair Ben Bernanke and Janet Yellen are big believers in using “foreword guidance” as a tool. 

Guidance and Belief

Think of foreword guidance as a swift kick (big or small). 

The Fed tries to avoid the big kick if it can. But yesterday, the Fed wanted to get expectations to a half-point, thus Bullard’s big swift kick.

The Fed can now walk down or up what it believes it will do.

The Fed still has no idea what’s it’s doing. It cannot see the recession on the horizon nor can the Fed see the stock market bubbles it has blown.

If you think the Fed knows what it is doing, you are mistaken.

This post originated at MishTalk.Com.

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prumbly
prumbly
2 years ago
“If interest rates are 100 basis points (1.0 percentage point)
higher, average annual interest costs would increase by $187 billion.
Interest payments would total $7.3 trillion over the FY 2022 to 2031
period, and federal deficits would increase (with revenue effects) by $209 billion per year.” That would make interest payments higher than the current Medicare budget – with just a 1% increase in rates.
My question is: at what point does something break?
blackswan
blackswan
2 years ago
Please don’t make me laugh, core inflation is at ~5%, Fed rates at ~0% and the 10y note at 2%: real rates are at -3%. I expect core inflation to be 4%, the Fed rates to be at 2% and the the 10y note at 2.2% at the end of the year so this means Real would be at -2%.  Until Real rates become positive again, you are not fighting inflation at all. My point is: The Fed SUPPORTS inflation.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  blackswan
YES.   deflation is a killer for a ponzi scheme.    inflation it is.    however just as much damage can be had by inflation.    unfortunately.   
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
soros book on investing he calls this a feedback loop i believe.   he’s correct,  mish is correct and scientists are correct……
of course the fed serves to give socialism to her owners,  the major bankers,  and free market debt penury to the masses…………that is a fact i think most on mish site agrees with.   it’s our 3rd central bank of a young country.   
Sunriver
Sunriver
2 years ago
I believe the FED wants the free lunch eight times a year and the vacation in Jackson Hole.
The FED wants to be ‘relevant’ and ‘important’ but in reality, all the FED has done in the past 25 years, is promise liquidity 
for the affluent, which has had the side effect of creating debt for the ‘poor’. 
Debt is indeed, the ‘new slavery’.  Get used to it. 
 
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
FWIW, I said the Fed should have been hiking late last summer and into the fall. The consequences would not have been as bad and they will be now. The economy in the fall of 2021 was at 90% of pre-covid levels and we were getting inflation then. What exactly did the Fed think would happen holding rates low for another 6-9 months ? As usual they are many days late and many dollars short.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
1-shot
1-shot
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Thanks for the link! That was sone really great information. I loved the long term charts
Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Nice interpretation. Just the facts. I learned a thing or two. Thanks Liz
xbizo
xbizo
2 years ago
Mish – Would you post a column on your thoughts regarding an inverted yield curve caused by rising short terms rates versus one caused by falling long term rates.  The latter is a good recession indicator, but what about the former?
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
What’s interesting this time is we are headed for major inversions
1. Without the Fed even hiking
2. With interest rates at zero!
There is no room to cut given the Fed’s aversion, and rightly so of negative rates.
xbizo
xbizo
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
So, it matches what is happening.  Economy is hot now and there is money to be made on short term investments, but long term it is sub 2% growth…  Is that recessionary?
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
“1. Without the Fed even hiking
2. With interest rates at zero!
There is no room to cut given the Fed’s aversion, and rightly so of negative rates.”
That is an oddity, Generally the Fed has hiked going into  recession and then cut interest rates when the recession hits. Now we are entering a recession without the Fed even raising rates and then will not be able to cut during a recession with rates at zero. Without being able to decrease rates, whats left in the Feds playbook?
MPO45
MPO45
2 years ago
I’m not sure what the goal of incessant fed criticism is on this blog.  I’m no fed fan but I decided to do a little research and looked up US recession from 1776 to today and found this link.
the federal reserve came into existence in 1913 so you’d think that all the years prior to the fed were a panacea but if you look at the link, there were more recessions more often BEFORE the fed than there have been SINCE the fed.
So which would most people rather have?  Recessions almost every year (before Fed) or one every 8 to 10 years (after Fed)?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
You give the Federal Reserve way too much credit.
Massive deficit spending (reserve currency has its privileges) by Developed countries is reason recessions infrequent by Majors.
xbizo
xbizo
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
and the inventory cycle has been smoothed.  Many older recessions were caused by inventory build and a slow reaction demand drop.  Then the ensuing wait for inventory levels to drop to buying level further extended the decline.  Now computers keep that inventory lean and responsive.  The declines are less.  Not only that, many more types of industries now exist.  it is not just agriculture and durable goods manufacturing.  There have been rolling recessions in different industries which never showed up in the aggregate.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
The more important question you should be asking is, “Would you rather have more frequent recessions on a gold standard or fewer recessions but currency debasement?” I certainly would prefer a gold standard so that prudent savers are not penalized as much when banks and debtors make bad bets. The Fed has fostered moral hazard, where promising to bail out failures encourages participants to take more/excessive risks that lead to failures.
RunnerDan
RunnerDan
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
“You people don’t know how lucky you are to have benevolent souls with the power of science modulating our currency system, redounding to the benefit of our nation!”  – MP045
1-shot
1-shot
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
There is no goal. Just a bunch of complainers pissing and moaning all the time instead of making intelligent comments.
I DO believe the fed follows the market. Just look at an interest rate chart that overlays fed funds and treasuries. The fed is ALWAYS chasing the market, both up and down. Whether the fact that they telegraph their intentions has any effect on free market rates is irrelevant to the question. They FOLLOW
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
“So which would most people rather have?  Recessions almost every year (before Fed) or one every 8 to 10 years (after Fed)?”
Whichever one comes about as the result of free people interacting on a free market.
Instead of being robbed blind on a constant basis by someone who makes up entirely arbitrary definitions of what some hobgoblin named “a recession” is. And then pretends they are some sort of useful bunch of thieves, by claiming to “fight” whichever utterly irrelevant hobgoblin they just made up.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
2 years ago
Once you get as far “behind the curve” as the Fed is, there is no catching up.
Venezuela is a perfect (albeit somewhat extreme) example.
Venezuela’s “official” inflation rate was 2,700% in 2021.
The Central Bank’s overnight benchmark rate stands at 52.70%.
They fell “behind the curve” and then fell further and further behind.
Don’t think it won’t happen to the Fed – eventually.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Is the cat dead or alive? We won’t know until the Fed opens the box.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Tip of the hat to Shrodinger’s quantum mechanics paradox.
Most people understand it by: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does it make a sound?
Maybe the Fed is the cat.
Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
This is probably not the Fed’s final bounce.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
“Bullard, most likely with Powell’s approval, thought the market needed a big swift kick in the pants so he delivered one.”
Probably. 
And just as probably  POTUS gave Powell a kick.
And remember Powell has been nominated for another term, but not confirmed by Senate.  
Confirmed with cpi > 7%???
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
An alternative view is the Fed is in control, until it isn’t. Then, it pretends it is still in control, so that markets do not panic, and to protect its own posterior.  Also known as a Fed F**k Up.
ohno
ohno
2 years ago
We’re screwed.  Have a good weekend!
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
There’s a big difference between now and 2008. We have way more debt. The FED has no choice but to keep interest rates low forever. I doubt we’ll ever see fund rates over 3% again.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The difference is that we have way more inflation and the Fed is looking at that rather than debt. 
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Inflation rates in the vicinity of 6-7% and a real rate of about 1-2% , and the one year risk-free rate should be should be 7-9%, That it isn’t speaks volumes. The US is on life support, with massive subsidies to keep it going. Raising rates is next to impossible because of market dependence, and the gov’t is unable to pay interest on its vast debt. Check, and mate!
TCW
TCW
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The government can raise taxes or cut spending to pay more interest.  Not a good way to get re-elected though.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The mountain of debt accumulated since 2008 is huge, but it was borrowed at zero. In some cases, e.g. Germany, the buyers paid the government. The interest rate on past government bonds is not going to change. However, if interest rates rise, these bonds will re-price, and the holders will be screwed.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
You might say that the government robbed the fix income earners, usually seniors who went into retirement trusting their government.

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