Details are still missing, but I failed to comment on one key aspect.
Yesterday, I praised Trump for negotiating a Gaza cease-fire. In a second post, I noted, without comment, the US would send 200 troops.
A couple readers blasted my support of US sending troops. I don’t support sending US troops, but the blame is mine for failure to comment.
The risks of sending US troops to the region are enormous. What happens if one is shot? What’s the next move? A US-Israel invasion of Gaza?
A Cause for Hope
I am happy for a ceasefire, especially if one sticks. But as I noted, huge issue remain.
The Wall Street Journal commented As Truce Takes Effect, Israelis and Gazans Allow Themselves to Hope
The euphoria that swept across a war-weary land is now giving way to a realization that Israelis and Palestinians now must confront the toll of the war and questions over what comes next.
The human toll of the war, and a defiance in the face of international criticism over it, led some of Israel’s traditional Western allies to turn against it. Israel’s growing isolation has widened fissures between its far-right and more globalist left, and caused soul-searching over how far a nation should go to defend itself.
Under this week’s agreement, Israeli troops have been ordered to halt their fight against Hamas and begin a staged withdrawal from the enclave. In the coming days, Hamas must return all 48 remaining hostages, starting with 20 who are still alive and then the bodies of the rest, which may take more time to locate and recover. In exchange, Israel will free some 2,000 Palestinians held in its prisons.
Meanwhile, negotiations will continue toward a more permanent settlement. Much is unresolved.
In Gaza and in Israel, joy and relief at the step toward peace—however piecemeal and fragile—burst out into the open. Thousands of people poured into a courtyard in Tel Aviv known as Hostage Square to bang on drums, dance and sing with strangers. They waved Israeli and American flags, one woman held a sign reading: “WE ♥️TRUMP, He who saves just one life saves an entire world.”
“I came to celebrate, with everybody else who’s here, to feel the joy that has come from so many months and months of pain,” said Caroline Glasser, a 64-year-old retiree who joined the crowds on Thursday.
The reprieve has also given Gazans a moment to take stock of their surroundings, and to despair at what they see. Ahmad Tanini, a 34-year-old father of three who lives in a tent camp in the coastal area of al-Mawasi, said that even if the fighting stops, much of Gaza is already destroyed.
Still, for young Gazans like Hazem Srour, hope is the only option. At 22, he says he got through the war by focusing on his accounting studies—even when his university was forced to shut down and he had to adjust to irregular, remote courses—and founding a co-working space with a friend to foster community for others like him who have struggled to keep some semblance of a normal life.
If peace can last, he said, he wants to revive his business so he can settle in a house, buy furniture, get married and build a family.
“Those are the goals I have right now,” he said.
The US did not belong in Afghanistan, in Iraq, or in Syria. And US troops do not belong in Israel or Gaza either.
This is a regional issue. And while Trump can play a beneficial role, that role needs to be from the sidelines.
There is reason for skepticism because every existing ceasefire ended violently.
But for now, praise the cease-fire and the hope.
its a farce as always.
Trump negotiated with the Taliban with the result of the Taliban taking over the country and the loss of US personnel during the exit. There was ‘peace’ in region because the US capitulated.There are still an estimated 15,000 Hamas within the tunnel system. UN relief food and water will replenish those terrorist/fighters who will be protected by a populace whose city and residences have been demolished … Peace conditions agreeing to release terrorists involved in the Oct 7 murders make no sense. In World War 2 the US practiced total war on the civilian population, fire bombing every major Japanese City and killing an estimated 1 million with 100K killed in Tokyo in one night. The difference between the end of WW2 and this peace agreement are that Japanese militarist capitulated with unconditional surrender and the chief architects being hung or imprisoned .. This Gaza agreement is a failure at the onset and won’t bring about a resolution to this perpetual conflict.
If the Zionists conducted their foreign policy as a responsible regional power instead of as an occupier and apartheid state and due the US Empire categorical, unwavering genocidal support, the Gaza War wouldn’t have happened.
It has been reported the IDF killed more Israelis on October 7th due to Hannibal Directive of the Israeli government than the Hamas attack.
BiBi clandestinely has financially supported Hamas before getting caught.
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Israeli prime ministers and generals before their mythical canonization after achieving statehood were murderers: Ben-Gurion, Moshe Dayan, Begin and Shamir just to name a few.
As for US bombing Japan with incendiary bombs, it was payback for Pearl Harbor, The Bataan Death March, the invasion of the Philippines, Guam, Wake Island, the Midway Atolls; Japan war atrocities on US military in POW camps, US racism towards the Japanese and US revenge as a rival Pacific hegemon.
It was remarked by wacko general Curtis LeMay had the Japanese won the war, he and the US Army-Aircorps would have been prosecuted for war crimes. To the victor go the spoils.
Your use of “apartheid” and “genocide” reveal your bias. You anti-Semites are relentless aren’t you – how many centuries have you people been at it…?
I note that the Jews have been awarded 158 scientific Nobel Prizes over the years – the Arabs, outnumbering Jews 30 to one, zero, and will probably be zero a century from now as long as they keep electing and supporting Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic State-type jihadis. What a waste of space they all are.
I think FDR was criticising the implementation of zionism which is not the same as anti semitism. Your post on the other hand…
Since Jews have occupied the area around Judea for 3,000 years, “Zionism” can be seen as the decolonization of the area.
On the other hand, Hamas’ Covenant states, “There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.
The day that enemies usurp part of MOSLEM LAND (sic) Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews’ usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.
“I swear by the holder of Mohammed’s soul that I would like to invade and be killed for the sake of Allah, then invade and be killed, and then invade again and be killed.”
The Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) consider itself to be the spearhead of the circle of struggle with world Zionism and a step on the road.
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”
As Hamas reveals, “Anti-Zionism” is “a step on the road” – a convenient cloak for the committed anti-Semite.
Some have called this, “A family disagreement – leave it to them.” Fine. But an honorable result would be the victory of the hard-working, useful son in his conflict with the ultra-violent professional refugee and nihilistic jihadi….
Your quotation from the Hadith says it all: Jew hatred is part of Islam’s essence. It isn’t going to go away. All that Israelis can do, if they want to survive, is protect themselves . . . while their “dear friends” in the West rescue Hamas and the Iranian regime–in the name, of course, of instant peace.
The UN has already determined that what Israel is doing in Gaza is genocide, and documents why. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds.
The same conclusion has been arrived at by, among many others, B’Tselem – The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories. They explain in great detail how they came to that conclusion: https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide
It is not anti-semitism to criticize a country’s policies and actions.
Your referencing the UN as an authority. That’s hilarious. They are an utterly corrupt bunch of authoritarian, tyrannical despotic states with a few stable democracies thrown in for flavor. B’Tselem was set up to criticize only Israel and ignores every assault upon Israel. I note that they bemoan, “the destruction of Palestinian educational and cultural institutions”! Did you not see the documentary about Hamas-run Gazan schools which churn out elementary-age kids who very enthusiastically yearn for the day when they can stab Jews or shoot Jews, while their female teacher drips sentimentality about how “beautiful” this display was…?
We are seeing a convergence of interests between the jihadis and Western radical-leftists who both want to see the destruction of Western democratic capitalism, so that it can be replaced with their own versions of economic or religious utopia. Either own-up to being part of this movement yourself, or start paying attention to what’s happening.
Amnesty International has also determined Israel is committing genocide. The International Criminal Court has also indicted Benjamin Netanyahu of war crimes after seeing the evidence. Mountains of evidence exist, while Netanyahu is saying “there is no starvation in Gaza”. Israel’s credibility is non-existent and the protestations that there is a vast leftwing conspiracy all out to get poor Israel rings hollow with anyone who looks at the evidence, which is the vast majority of the world.
Corruption? Once Netanyahu allows his corruption trial in Israel to take place, it is likely that (much like ‘gold bar’ Bob Menendez) Netanyahu will be found guilty at his third corruption trial. Is the feeling that the Israeli courts are also part of the corrupt left?
The ratio of civilians to combatant deaths in the Gaza war is lower than any other war in history. Where else has it been the practice of one side to inform the other of an impending strike, thereby allowing residents of the building to evacuate, which is standard practice for the IDF. The Hamas-supplied photos of “starving” children turned out to be illness-stricken kids. The only starvation is happening to the hostages. What hunger there is is contributed to by Hamas who steal much of the food.
You anti-Semites are very unhappy about the apparent breakthrough peace deal aren’t you. Not a single one of you have any celebratory comments about the apparent imminent end to the war, because you never actually cared about the Gazan people at all – it was just an excuse to abuse Israel. And what was the breakthrough change that allowed a deal to be made? The agreement from Hamas to release the hostages. This could have happened two years ago and saved 65,000 lives, but you people will never criticize your ally, Hamas….
Since we can’t agree on events and facts because of your silo thinking and intolerance of the Arabs, particularly the Palestinians, I will not dignify any future responses after this retort with another one. Why have a dialogue with someone that only supports genocidal terrorists that operate as fascists in the state called Israel with any future retorts? It would be a waste of time. Furthermore, it would be analogous to arguing with a Nazi in the 1930s and the 1940s over Hitler’s taking the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Norway, France, North Africa, etc., then committing genocide and a Holocaust on the Jewish religion in Germany and their occupied territories.
To be sure, Bibi and his minions deserve what they will receive after the US empire falls similar to what the Nazis received after WW II. But this time the US’ role is reversed from the promoter of the Nuremberg trials to subsidizing and publicly countenancing Israel’s prior invasions, its genocide, its torture in Israeli political prisons of Palestinians, and recent capture of the Golan Heights and part of Syria, as well as their settler colonialism in the occupied territories and in Israel itself.
Also, per your earlier responses to other commenters, you cherry pick your responses, you redefine words to confabulate what could be naïveté, or distortions, or outright lies. I personally don’t care. You pretend to be informative but in fact are ignorant to the Zionist history prior to the state of Israel and particularly after Israel achieved statehood by stealing land prior to statehood, since 1946 and successive decades thereafter.
I will further note, that confusing Nobel scientific awards with an immoral domestic and foreign policy makes my case a fortiori. Germany prior to WW I and WW II was the most advanced nation on the planet regarding science, philosophy, industry and medicine. While it can be debated who actually started WW I, there is no debate that Germany was an aggressor by invading Belgium and subsequently France. There is no doubt whatsoever who started WW II in Europe. Scientific awards do not necessarily translate into a moral person much less a state.
Similarly, France philosophically and militarily was one of the leading countries in Europe in the 18th Century. And prior to the reign of Napoleon she had had wars with its neighbors. But it took Bonaparte to be the first leader to in effect introduce the worst ideology to come down the pike since, that is nationalism. How did he do this? He convinced the French that they were exceptional, destined for greatness and destined to rule Europe. Since Bonaparte, most wars are contrived appealing to the aggressor nation’s nationalism through their exceptionalism, their destiny and to make up for past atrocities by countries that had defeated them or attacked them without provocation per the propaganda spouted by their leaders.
Zionists have a heightened sense of themselves as did the Nazis and the French after Bonaparte. Zionists confuse the Jewish religion and rabbinical teachings as the so-called “Chosen People” or in layman’s terms God’s favorite with capturing a land that they had no right to claim. Central and Eastern Jewry are not genetically linked to the inhabitants of the Levant. They are invaders of a foreign land that they genetically and historically had no connection to. Moreover, the founders of Zionism were atheists. The 20th Century Zionists that immigrated to Israel were largely secularists so they in effect didn’t believe in the Israeli God but used it for their political and social ends to invade a region that now spreads Zionist propaganda as if they were religiously connected to the Israeli God. This fraud of the Zionist original secular and atheistic philosophy was spawned by its first leader Labor PM David Ben-Gurion and has continued till this day in the governance of the reactionary, fascistic Likud Party and its coalition government that Netanyahu is PM. In short the Zionist origins and its devolution in addition to stealing land are also hypocrites attempting to mask themselves as a God fearing people.
You lost me at Apartheid State. How come Israel has Palestinian Arabs in its own government then?
How many Jews are in any government in the middle east?
The fact that you accuse Israel of being an apartheid state shows you are either biased, stupid and probably educated in America and probably under age 40 is my guess. Another words a dumb ass white liberal.
You dismiss Oct 7th as well the IDF killed more Israelis. Wow
What you won’t say or are just too ignorant to realize is that those islamic killers on Oct 7th killed mostly young people and others in the area that were & are more sympathetic to the palestinian cause. And you brutally raped & murdered them.
And you ignorant Jew haters always trot out Bibi supported Hamas. Well thats because he was trying to weaken the PLO and figured 2 weaker islamic pychotic organizations was better than 1. Yeah, he was wrong.
You got 1 thing right.
If you want to go back to Palestine as it was, well then it was mostly arabs & jews and some christians, many of which were true transients. Why did Golda Mier, a very Jewish woman have a Palestinian passport as a child?
And you dismiss or are clueless as to how Jews were mostly thrown out of all middle eastern countries when Israel was created.
GTF out of here, your late for your next Free Palestine protest.
USA troops can serve as reporters at the same time, but won’t be shot by Israel. Nice that some Americans get the privilege to see what their tax dollars did over there.
The Vietnam war started with a handful of advisers. It ended with a humiliating defeat for the US military and empire America. Politicians never learn the lessons of history.
The USA didn’t exactly “lose” the war – they just lost interest in it. If they’d lost the war, Vietnamese would be the official language spoken in Washington today….
Are you ignorant or do you like being wrong and exposing it. The US objective in Vietnam was to remove the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese Army from the South, contain communism from spreading, and keep the South “free”. It accomplished none of the aforementioned after Nixon and Kissinger concluded peace talks with the North that could’ve successfully been implemented by LBJ in ‘68 but Tricky Dickey and war monger Kissinger opted to subvert the peace talks by informing the South’s president through an Asian intermediary that if Nixon were elected the South would get a better deal. The South’s president foolishly believed the interlopers.
The upshot was more bombing, more maiming, death on both sides, an illegal invasion into Laos and Cambodia and more maiming and killing, PTSD, the rise of Pol Pot and the killing of 3 million Cambodians.
The peace treaty that Nixon and Kissinger signed did not include any South Vietnam representatives because they were not invited by the signatories. So the South were lied to by Nixon and murderer Kissinger on both occasions prior to Nixon’s election in’68 and after. In short, the South didn’t get a better deal but a worst one since they were invaded shortly thereafter. The US left the South ignominiously at the time of the North capturing Saigon but the US citizens still spoke English.
When a country goes to war and doesn’t complete its objectives, it loses. In other words the Brits lost the Revolutionary War to the colonists because they didn’t crush the rebellion but they still had their remaining empire, their parliament and king. They also maintained their British accents.
Let’s talk soon.
– A couple readers blasted my support of US sending troops. I don’t support sending US troops, but the blame is mine for failure to comment.
> US Troops must be sent in this situation. We must show Israel & The World, that we are a Major Ally of Israel, and will help them in many ways as a result. This time, Up Front, we made our Presence and Intentions Known.
– The risks of sending US troops to the region are enormous. What happens if one is shot? What’s the next move? A US-Israel invasion of Gaza?
> Not being funny, but didn’t the US Play a rather large role of Support and Partnership with Israel for this entire issue? Now is The Time to Show It!! You can’t be there from the beginning and then leave when it gets Hot! Trump will never be accused of being “A Dead Beat Country” pulling away not to be seen, when needed most…
– I am happy for a ceasefire, especially if one sticks. But as I noted, huge issue remain.
> As Everyone should be imo. This is a huge chance for a Peace Plan to take hold, in a War Torn Area of the World!!
– Even if the fighting stops, much of Gaza is already destroyed. > While true, and much like every other area of the World, with War in its Country. Do we have a Better Chance of rebuilding it, with or without Americas help? We will be sending troops then too I surmise. I am OK with that for the same reason. We Must Show America is 100% part of this, to enhance the possibility of success. We have plenty against such, so this helps us on the Positive side.
>> We either want Peace in that Region, and will Work for Peace as well, or we don’t…
– The US did not belong in Afghanistan, in Iraq, or in Syria. And US troops do not belong in Israel or Gaza either.
> Correct on Afghanistan, and we did a miserable job getting out too. Iraq & Syria were totally different than this situation imo. I do agree we didn’t belong there either. Israel is different because we are 100% A Primary Supporter and Friends with Israel, and have been for a long time. We support them Significantly Militarily unlike any other Country over the past few Decades. The only blip, and it’s a Big One is Ukraine which I vehemently opposed sending weapons to.
– This is a regional issue.
> America made Israel more than a Regional Friend a long time ago, and we support them more than any other Country by far!! Trump can play a beneficial role, but that role must be one right beside them. We already back them Militarily, so no issue there. Let’s not forget what this is. “A Peace Mission” doesn’t involve war, so if it turns into that, America will be right there in a moments notice, and will be. Watching from close by, and ready if this goes sideways, which I firmly believe it won’t because of this.
– There is reason for skepticism because every existing ceasefire ended violently. > Of course there is, but you don’t and can’t stop trying. What have you done, in life that you were skeptical of doing? I punched a bully in the face for picking on my sister, and got thrown into a wall and bruised up good (He was much bigger, which is why I punched Him)! My point is, there are times in Life when you must stand for what You believe in, and Help Others that believe in the same. This Is One Of Them!!!
– But for now, praise the cease-fire and the hope.
> AMEN
This just shows why the US is so bad in this situation. Basically you are saying Israel good, muslims bad.
I’d suggest that both sides have had terrible histories for different reasons and both need help in a constructuve impartial way.
The sooner the US stops this nonsense about supporting one side over the other, the better.
I don’t know how many times I have to inform you naysayers of the benefits that the US gains from its relationship and support of Israel. Educate yourselves with the details here.
This is big picture concerns. Unfortunately, too many focus on one specific pet issue/concern, the same way most people vote. This leads to poor understanding and decision making.
Great as long as the goal is to support the US defense industry. Perhaps try asking what the detrimental effect US influence is on normal people in the region. Shame on you.
Israel is a theocratic, fascistic, apartheid, state founded on a false premise that Zionist eastern Jewry have a right to other inhabitants land of the former area titled Palestine first called this in early Egypt during the reign of Ramses II.
The US selling weapons via merchants of death does not advance the interests of a constitutional republic but it does for empire. Empires create unnecessary wars, vassal states, class division, impoverishment, wealth inequality, divide and conquer domestically and within the empire that precipitates the collapsing of the empire after it stretches beyond its capacity to govern abroad then continues its destruction internally within thus turning on its own citizens through political corruption, immiseration of the artisans, working and middle classes and enrichment of the economic, political and social elites.
Allying with Zionists that have a history of racism, terrorism, murder, killing of innocents does not advance the interests of the US and its standing in the world. In fact it creates cracks within the European, NATO and Asian alliances plus advances the interests of US competitors and potential adversaries.
Providing weapons to Israel and supporting its war aims does not provide stockpiles in the Middle East. It creates the opposite, namely shortages of weaponry should the US find itself in a conflict in Europe, Asia, Latin America or Africa. The most recent discontinuance of firing on the Houthis by the US due the estimated cost of over $1 billion and its failure to stop Houthi attacks on cargo shipping to Israel and in Israel proper are prima facie evidence as well as Israel crying uncle when they could no longer respond to Iranian missle attacks within Israel. A final additional fact herein discussed as the folly of stockpiling advanced US weapons to Israel is the US will sell arms to European allies to arm Ukraine. Why? The US can no longer afford to fight two proxy wars to sustain its empire. In short, the US empire is waning at a time when Asia, China and India are rising and may individually surpass the US militarily, economically and politically by the end of the next decade if not sooner.
Israel has invaded Syria, Lebanon, bombed Iran and Qatar, alienated Arabs, Turkey, Russia, China and almost all of the Global South due to US arming Israel. If this prevents deterrence with China and Russia arming Iran, Egypt amassing tanks on the Gaza border in response to the genocide, Turkey invading Syria to “protect” its interests in the region, Saudi Arabia cancelling the Abraham Accords, and in Iraq there are Iran-aligned armed groups which operate with a degree of autonomy, have launched attacks on U.S. forces and Israel since the Gaza conflict began, then deterrence in the Middle East is working as successfully as Europe on the eve of WW I.
Aligning US prestige, soft power, military resources with a Zionist state that at times mimics the actions of Nazi Germany and the Warsaw Ghetto uprising of starvation, mass killing of innocents, women, children, old men, toddlers only creates more hostility towards the US.
What a great summary FDR, your depth of historical knowledge is impressive. Only a psychopath could think that it is in America’s interest to be complicit in the Gaza holocaust.
Just another nihilist….
You can certainly say, “Israel good, Jihadi Muslims bad”, and if the bulk of Muslims support or accept the extremists’ beliefs, then where’s the distinction? According to Pew Research, about 64% of Egyptians and 58% of Jordanians believe that execution is the correct punishment for leaving Islam. According to moral relativists like yourself, that belief deserves just as much respect as an attitude of respect and tolerance. BULLSH1T.
Let’s see how your kumbaya attitude is holding up moments before you’re beheaded by one of these clowns because he has 76 virgins waiting and the death of an infidel like you is his ticket to paradise….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk
Do you teach your kids to dislike muslims? Not a great attitude in today’s world.
“Hate the sin, love the sinner”
The Gazans raise their kids to aspire to kill Jews, and the moral relativists say that it is their right to raise their kids as they like, because all philosophies have to be respected equally….
I agree that US troops are a bad idea but purely because the US has not been an honest actor in this region for so long.
However, some kind of international force is needed. The palestinians have had enough of war but a large part of the Israeli population has not.
The idea that there will not be some kind of incident from a palestinian individual or rogue Hamas unit is misguided. When the Israelis have got the hostages back there will be no restraint on them to start again.
Difficult to see the Israelis allowing anybody but the US in. The whole mess is largely caused by the US going all the way back to 1947….so maybe you should step up to owning it.
…and by owning I mean something like forcing the Israeli’s to accept a “trustworthy” international force.
Owning does not mean providing 200 observers to report that a Palestinian has broken the cease fire so all bets are off.
well, nit really, the US was not heavly invvled until the 1970s. in 1948 and beyond, Israels allies were European, mostly French. After Algiers, and with France now almost 10% Muslim that has changed.
Not sure that is correct. The British ran mandate Palestine but after various terrorist events gave up after ww2. The main negotiations after that were in the US. The zionists were well organised but the Muslims were chaotic. As a result the US administration sided with the zionists. Obviously the Arab states then later threw petrol on the fire.
Seems a bit criminal for Trump to send troops to secure his prime waterfront locations for the Trump Gaza tower and golf course resort.
On another topic: Why do these fanatics on both side have so many children?
You can’t play Golf in sand, and You can’t take over the World without an Army.
“Why do these fanatics on both side have so many children?”
religion
The 200 American troops will be at very high risks. Not from the Palestinians or even from Hamas, but from the Israelis who are totally not concerned with whom they kill when they launch bombing raids. They have proven to totally disregard the lives of even their own people. The Hannibal Directive!
And history had shown that even American soldiers are just like any other pawns to Israel when they go after their objectives. USS Liberty!
Good luck to the American troops. You guys will really need it.
No way to spin it, the plan stinks to high heaven. Can’t trust Netanyahu or Trump unfortunately (I voted three times for him, still not regretting it but there is a whole lot of disappointment).
Approximately 41 years ago over 290 US Marines were killed in Lebanon in a peacekeeping mission. The US was and is hated by the street in the Arab world. Ronnie Raygun despite assuring allies and the UN the US wouldn’t leave ordered the evacuation of the Marines shortly thereafter.
Trump is making another potentially disastrous geopolitical and military decision that will expose armed forces to sniper fire, sabotage, booby traps, etc., for a country that is apartheid, fascist state and is pariah in the global South.
A third of Israel is Arab, and they have full rights of an Israeli citizen. The Apartheid states are all the other countries in the middle-east, which have almost no Jews, and very few of any other religion due to institutionalized discrimination, or outright persecution….
I call bullshit. Arab-Israelis live by de jure in a Jewish state which creates prejudices and biases by Jewish citizens that are so inclined to discriminate in the courts and in the Jewish laws. This discrimination is transferred into the economic and social systems by inferior housing, lack of housing, capricious evictions by the government against Arabs.
But there is more…..
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/
As for Arab countries discriminating against Jews there is checkered history.
During the Arab Empire period tolerance of all faiths were respected. During this era, Arab streets were paved, lit by oil lamps and Greek and Roman literature were preserved from destruction in the medieval era due to barbarism, burning of books by uneducated Christians, 90% of European citizens were living in huts, subsistence farming, rampant disease and no education. See Spain under Moor leadership for further edification or the reign in their golden age and the dark ages in Europe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8hhwSn1iaU
During this timeframe the Jews were heavily persecuted in Christendom by the Roman Catholic Church and continued through the reformation in the non Romance language countries.
Today Jews in the UAE, Morocco, Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt have religious tolerance but like Israel have restrictions. Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen that are war torn countries thx in part to Israel, the US, French and British covert and overt military operations and interventions have produced reactionary forces within those countries that not tolerant towards Jews or dissent.
Just out of curiosity, Mish, is that also your approach to markets–wishful thinking in defiance of long-known reality, or as you put it, “hope”?
the only long known reality of the market is the single greatest case for optimism in the secular world. what God’s name are you talking about?
What are you talking about? I described the absurdity of a Gaza “peace” scheme in response to Mish’s earlier post. including the last two decades’ history in Gaza. The “peace” scheme is fantasy land. So now I wonder if Mish applies the same wishful thinking to markets? (I don’t think he does, but wonder . . .)
What is you “single greatest case for optimism”?
time will tell on this current peace deal. time has already told time and time again that long term market growth, which i believe you’re associating with hope, is reality. on a somewhat related note, all my life i’ve heard that “hope is not a strategy.” heard that in high school wrestling practice. heard that as a soldier in the army. still hear that said in/at my job today. could not disagree more … god willing we wake up in the morning, should we choose to walk out our front doors and meet the day, hope is the only strategy. the amount of hope that underlies all human action is the greatest story barely told.
It’s not a bad thing for us to have hope in our lives. It’s utter folly to use hope in place of cold analysis in assessing the probability of outcomes–which is my complaint with Mish’s silly posts on the Middle East and the basis of my mocking query whether he approaches markets in the same way.
Interesting how age now seems to be the main indicator among the US population of support for Israel. While old people still want the US to support Israel, the young are overwhelmingly opposed to it.
https://x.com/admcrlsn/status/1972762245643088269
That’s because young people are mainly intellectually stoopid and get their news from propaganda sewing “influencers” on TikTok.
Or maybe it is because younger Americans haven’t been indoctrinated for 70 years by AIPAC propaganda.
https://www.advocatingpeace.com/palestine-explained/everything-you-need-to-know-about-aipac-the-most-powerful-pro-israel-lobbying-group-in-the-us/
I think the US troop involvement will be very short lived. Trump’s intention is to give some legitimacy to his threat that all hell will break loose, if Hamas doesn’t agree & follow through. Once Israel has all of the hostages back, IMHO all bets are off. It won’t take much of a Hamas hiccup for Israel to finish the job. Like Bibi said in an interview, if Israel wanted to commit genocide all that would have taken was one afternoon.
Highly possible that the Israelis will do that. And when they do, they will not wait till all the US troops are evacuated. They will just go ahead and bomb the heck out of the region, US or other international troops notwithstanding. Bibi will just view those or even his own people, as collateral damages.
I don’t agree with that at all. This is not Afghanistan and Biden/Harris…
That’s a stupid comment. Bibi isn’t going to kill US troops.
I disagree because I don’t think Netanyahu really gave a crap about the hostages. So many were lost already, it’s not logical to think they were holding anything back at the time of the ceasefire.
He’s been under enormous pressure to get the hostages out. It’s garbage for you to suggest he doesn’t “give a crap” about them. Hamas is about 85% destroyed. What matters is will Hamas disarm. If they don’t, then it’s a near certainty that the ceasefire will be short-lived.
Are we thinking long-term here? Maybe a peacekeeping US force is how Trump plans to win next year’s Nobel Peace Prize?
He’s learning his current strategy is not working? I mean, he’s trying to convince everyone that blowing up wooden Venezuelan boots without hard evidence of drugs aboard or a formal declaration of war from Congress is promoting protection and peace for America.
But the Nobel Peace Prize committee didn’t bite. They voted for the Venezuelan opposition leader trying peacefully to promote democracy within the country LOL
Nobel Peace Prize for Trump once concrete peace is established somewhere, and the operations can be clearly identified as such.
How can Trump win a Nobel Peace Prize Award next year assuming the ceasefire holds when his administration supported starving innocents and genocide, bombed Iran, what appears to be unwavering support for Ukraine in a losing war, has ordered murder in the Caribbean plus invading Democratically controlled US cities?
also, you forgot to add, how could he win it after Barack Obama set the bar so high?
Actually, Obama won it because Shrub had the American Empire, the American economy and the presidency circling the toilet bowl and at such a low ebb that the Nobel Committee thought they couldn’t go wrong picking his successor.
Little did they know that Obama was just another neoliberal puppet for the security apparatus and Wall Street that culminated in the American electorate vomiting up Trump in 2016 only to double-down once again in 2020 and vote in a mind addled Biden that begot the the first American fascist in 2024 that is also demented.
The upshot is the 21st Century presidency has been an abject failure not seen in the West and Middle East that presaged the fall of theOttoman Empire post WW I, Italy before Mussolini, Czarist Russia before the Russian Revolution and Germany before Hitler.
Buckle up for the ride if the American people don’t rise from their Rip Van Winkle slumber.
It had to be a millionaire who served the interests of the Usonian oil companies.
The CIA is the major holder of this prize through its numerous foreign agents.
The Nobel Peace Prize should be renamed the Nobel Pax Americana Prize.
Trump missed the cutoff for consideration, which was last January. Maybe next year. [lol]
200 troops forming part of a multi-national peace force…surely that cannot be a problem assuming it isn’t abused. Trump and Tony Blair in charge sets the posts way too high, however. That is the flaw in the plan in my opinion.
Gaza has been leveled. Supplies virtually cut off for 2 years.
What exactly does Hamas have left to fight back with after 2 years? Where are the stories of Hamas fighting actual battles with Israel now that virtually all of Gaza has been leveled?
Calling this a “war” is disingenuous. This is more like prison guards battling locked up handcuffed prisoners.
i remember when they did the big hostage exchange and hundreds of Hamas fighthers all looking very well fed and strong with weapons parading hostages in front of thousands of Gazans chanting for their death.
Hamas is a gueriilla army. they have small arms, the exception being rockets which they kept firing up until the end (tho in far lower numbers).
Hamas has been fighting Israeli troops, popping up from rubble to shoot at soldiers. and just like in Iraq and Afghanistan, their main weapon has been IEDs.
Hamas invaded Israel, killed 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and their leaders promised the world on camera that they would continue to have more attacks like October 7 until the Jews leave Israel. Israel believed them and did what any country with a military would: went to destroy the enemy that promised to destroy them.
that Israel has a stronger military and killed far more isn’t relevant. In Vietnam the US lost 55,000 while there were millions of Vietnamese dead — and they still won. Ditto in Iraq and Afghanistan, after the first few weeks the forces opposing the US were basically guerilla fighters.
War Powers Resolution, anyone?
Best advice i ever heard was from a religious friend. The land was promised to the children of Abraham. Its a family argument and we should stay out of it. .
Palestinians, rather than Eastern European converts, are the children of Abraham. Still, their land, their problem.
“Palestinians” are a newly created culture/race from plain old A-Rabs in 1948. 20% of these A-Rabs accepted the offer of citizenship in the new state of Israel (created by UN dictate). The remaining 80% stomped their feet, held their breath like the children they are and refused to be moved, calling themselves “refugees”.
The UN has kindly allocated a welfare/aid agency JUST FOR THEM, that has been delivering daily truckloads of food and supplies since 1948. Of course, like cockroaches, free unlimited food caused this new “Palestinian” population to grow from ~750k in 1948 to around 11 million today. Thanks bleeding-heart, sucker UN!
So, since this welfare plan has worked so well for the Palestinians, perhaps we should try doing the same in Baltimore, Chicago, Nashville, SF, LA, etc.
Imagine how happy the residents of these places would be with free food and supplies for their whole lives! Might reduce the need to kill each other then.
The hostages are the only cards they have. I wound not be surprised if bibi breaks the truce after they are free.
Unless all the countries said enough is enough. Us/ middle eastern etc.
i recall the hamas leader went to visit putin right before the attack. Humm
There has been nothing but war and terrorism conducted by Israel since 1948. Israel has shown absolutely no desire for a two state solution or real peace through several attempts during the past 50 years. But now God Trump will bring lasting peace as only he can. Geez what gullible rubes people are.
Hard to have peace when 15/20 percent of each population hates each other.
Load of leftist crap. There have been multiple attempts at negotiating a 2 state solution but every time the Palestinians rejected the offer even when it’s more than 95% of what they wanted.
Israel negotiated peace with Egypt and withdrew from the Sinai so there is an example of what Israel is willing to give up for peace.
And I can remember when I was in Gaza during a lull in the Intifada seeing Jewish settlements nearby. They were all removed in 2005 when the Jews pulled out of Gaza in an attempt to achieve peace. And what happened? Hamas took control, persecuted a number of Fatah members I knew and spent years padding their bank accounts (corruption, crime, smuggling fees) at the expense of the population. Then they did Oct 7 and you queers for Palestine types blamed the Jews for the FAFO of the past 2 years.
You yanks are only sending a token 200 as a sign of commitment. That to me is good.
Palestine war against the Arabs 1948. Suez Crisis 1956, Egypt. 6 day war in 1967, Arabs attacked. Yom Kippur War 1970. Arabs attacked. Nation states of Arabs. Etc. Have you fallen down and hit your head?
unfortunately this is far more dangerous than density caused by head trauma. this is simply the result of anti-intellectual intellectualism. this guy and his friends are about to elect a socialist in New york.
at what community college did you get your associate’s degree in history?
Did they tell you about the King David hotel at Harvard?
This is a good article on the subject area with details that most people will not get from the regular MSM they consume.
The Israelis & Palestinians have had successive leaders that were more interested in war than peace.
Begin, Shamir, Arafat were terrorists before and after assuming power.
“One could call the enclave the “Democratic Republic of Gaza,” but it would still be home to genocidal terrorist groups…”
Spotted a little error here. The genocidal groups are all in the Israeli military and in the Knesset too.
According to news reports I have heard, these troops are already on their way. Ooops.
If no troops go in that means Hamas will rearm and retake Gaza. Perhaps the reason for US troops is to assure other Arab countries to send soldiers as well.
Yes, No troops send, period….and, the recent one of 3 Nobel winners is a Gazan (if such exists) wherein his parents told him ‘get the hell out of here and get a future’ (not verbatim, but intent expressed correctly I think)
How does 48 = 2000? Should 1 for 1 and each dead one returned we should do the same return a dead one to them!
Hamas will never give up its all they got to do..They will lay down weapons and pick up shovels and bulldozers? very funny. What are thy going to re-build ..lol that is real work so boring!
As far as sending troops they will eventually be attacked….
The good we will get decent intell on what’s really going on not that the American public will ever hear but hopefully leaders with some sense will.
The bad they will be attacked and probably loose a soldier while not even fighting.
On Sun Trump will visit the Knesset. On Mon he be in Egypt. If Hamas will not release all hostages until noon time (Israeli Time) on Mon: the ceasefire if off. Hamas might release just a few. They will poke Trump in the eyes, He will tell Israel to be patient.
I don’t know a single person who wants Boots on the Ground in Gaza.
But as I said in yesterdays thread, before you know it there will be an American Base in another foreign land. I don’t see how it doesn’t get to that.
Agreed on all counts. No reason US troops can’t assist via Zoom on logistics assistance.
The likelihood of this holding is slim. Hamas are psychopath murderers. Hard to negotiate with psychopaths.
Put the 200 US troops on the Egyptian side of the Rafah border crossing. That removes the view that they are embedded in the IDF and the Rafah crossing will be the main entry point for aid.
Agree with Mish completely. This is far from a lasting peace and resolution of the conflict, but there is some hope.