The Letter to Harvard Setting Off Trump Confrontation Was a Mistake

Oops, the letter was a mistake.

The Confrontation With Harvard

On April 11, the Trump Administration fired off this Letter to Harvard.

The letter was signed by three top administration officials making demand on Harvard.

The school’s response was to fight. Harvard sent this Response Letter to the Administration on April 14.

The university will not surrender its independence or relinquish its constitutional rights. Neither Harvard nor any other private university can allow itself to be taken over by the federal government. Accordingly, Harvard will not accept the government’s terms as an agreement in principle.

No government—regardless of which party is in power—should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue.

But now that Harvard is fighting, the administration now says it was all a mistake.

Monumental Mistake

The New York Times reports Trump Officials Blame Mistake for Setting Off Confrontation With Harvard

It is unclear what prompted the letter to be sent last Friday. Its content was authentic, the three people said, but there were differing accounts inside the administration of how it had been mishandled. Some people at the White House believed it had been sent prematurely, according to the three people, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about internal discussions. Others in the administration thought it had been meant to be circulated among the task force members rather than sent to Harvard.

After Harvard publicly repudiated the demands, the Trump administration raised the pressure, freezing billions in federal funding to the school and warning that its tax-exempt status was in jeopardy.

A senior White House official said the administration stood by the letter, calling the university’s decision to publicly rebuff the administration overblown and blaming Harvard for not continuing discussions.

“It was malpractice on the side of Harvard’s lawyers not to pick up the phone and call the members of the antisemitism task force who they had been talking to for weeks,” said May Mailman, the White House senior policy strategist. “Instead, Harvard went on a victimhood campaign.” [Hoot of the Day: Blame Harvard for the Letter]

Harvard pushed back on the White House’s claim that it should have checked with the administration lawyers after receiving the letter.

The letter “was signed by three federal officials, placed on official letterhead, was sent from the email inbox of a senior federal official and was sent on April 11 as promised,” Harvard said in a statement on Friday. “Recipients of such correspondence from the U.S. government — even when it contains sweeping demands that are astonishing in their overreach — do not question its authenticity or seriousness.”

Shortly thereafter, Mr. Gruenbaum called one of Harvard’s lawyers, according to two people with knowledge of the calls. At first he said he and Mr. Wheeler had not authorized the sending of the letter. Mr. Gruenbaum then slightly changed his story, saying the letter was supposed to be sent at some point, just not on Friday when the dialogue between the two sides was still constructive, one of the people said.

Later Monday, Harvard’s corporation and senior leaders were briefed on Mr. Gruenbaum’s assertion that the letter should not have been sent. 

Harvard officials, including several who worked in government earlier in their careers, were shocked that such an important letter — bearing the logos of three government agencies, with signatures of three top officials at the bottom — could be sent by a mistake.

But at that point, there was no way for Harvard to undo what had already been set in motion. The university had already declared that it would rebuff the letter’s demands. And despite claiming that the letter should not have been sent, the Trump administration did not withdraw it.

In response to Harvard’s decision to fight, the White House announced that Mr. Trump was freezing $2.2 billion in grants to the school. Within a day, he was threatening to revoke Harvard’s tax-exempt status.

Recap

  • Administration accidentally sends letter to Harvard signed by three top administration officials.
  • The administration says the letter was not supposed to be sent although this story has been revised.
  • Harvard fights back with lawsuit
  • The Administration blames Harvard for reacting to the letter
  • In response, to Harvard’s response, Trump threatens to take away Harvard’s nonprofit status and freezes $2.2 billion in grants.

What a Circus

There is legitimate debate here as to why any money is going to these universities. I am in favor of cutting these grants.

However, Congress approved that money, so the only way to take it back is with an act of Congress.

Instead, we have another Trumpian circus, in which the administration will not admit its own errors, instead doubles down on them.

Break China, Try Glue

This is what happens when you surround yourself with people whose only skill is willingness to suck up to Trump no matter what he says or does.

The revolving door circus on tariffs is the same story. No one has any idea what Trump’s actual goal is because the story changes every day and the goals are confliction.

It is impossible to get huge amounts of money from tariffs while lowering inflation and bringing production back to the US.

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By the way, there is no way this was a mistake. If it was, they should all be fired.

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Frosty
Frosty
11 months ago

This is another example of trumps incompetence and overreach without thinking about the consequences. No small wonder that gold is up over $3,400 as I read. Mining stocks are going crazy as their margins explode.

That said Harvards endowment is $53 billion and it is a strong independent university. This is how it should remain, strong, teaching the smartest, best and brightest. The notion of attacking schools because they teach people how to think instead of what to think is nothing new.

I went to a Catholic school and they did not care at all about education. They only cared about indoctrination. It was hateful and abusive.

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago
Reply to  Frosty

the RC church and schools are the greatest and longest existing cult. hat tip to Rome for pulling off the scam for the ages. send your gold to rome. they need more.

The Nerd
The Nerd
11 months ago

What a sorry excuse for an administration. I don’t know, I wasn’t involved in that, you’ll have to ask someone else, I have no idea how that reporter’s name got on the Signal list, I wasn’t responsible for that, it was an administrative error that sent Kilmar to COCET and now we can’t get him back, oopsie made a mistake in laying off those people…do we really look this dumb?

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
11 months ago

Hitler birthday was celebrated today in Stockholm,

Last edited 11 months ago by Michael Engel
Michael Engel
Michael Engel
11 months ago

The US spent $823B on R&D #1 in the world. China $723G in 2023.

Blurtman
Blurtman
11 months ago

Fallen brand.

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago

IS TODAY THE DAY THAT JOE BIDEN RISES FROM THE DEAD? not sure who is better, the genocidal cadaver or the con artist moron? coin toss. democracy works perfectly. hat tip Republic of Plato.

Jennifer Scuteri
Jennifer Scuteri
11 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

Trump was running against Kamala, not Biden. Kamala kicked Trump’s butt in the debate so bad that Trump was afraid to debate her again. Kamala would have staffed her cabinet with competent leaders who would not blame the recipient of an erroneous email, they sent.

The Nerd
The Nerd
11 months ago

She took his lunch money.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
11 months ago

Trump ultimatum to Harvard’s Garber and Pritzker: Woke out or u are out. Harvard: we can’t do it. Garber and Pritzker are Jews haters. They sacrificed Harvard for Woke. That will lead Harvard to a long decay, to a frog cooking. They sacrificed Harvard for Pritzker fat bros. a presidential candidate

Last edited 11 months ago by Michael Engel
Jennifer Scuteri
Jennifer Scuteri
11 months ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

“Garber and Pritzker are Jews haters”…Fact = Pritzker and Garber are Jewish. Trump pretends to care about Jews but in truth he just despises Muslims and LGBT more. And his Sheep care about Israel only for the Rapture.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
11 months ago

It’s all about power. They self hating liberal Jews are useful idiots. Most of them left NY. They organized anti Trump protests in the last few weeks. Judge Boasberg wants the gangs back. He was FISA court boss. The Jews are divide: Borough Park Bklyn and Monsey upstate NY support Trump. They multiply like rabbits. A 70Y/80Y old Hasidic Jew might be at the head the seder table with 70/120 pcs of family members. They might replace Hochul and install the first reps gov since George Pataki.
They don’t make noise. They don’t talk to pollsters. They don’t watch the puke media, bc they have no tv. A ME peace will protect Palestinians and Jews

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Doug78
Doug78
11 months ago

There is no law and no economic reason why research has to done at a university. There is however a very important element in the cross-fertilization of ideas and thoughts that are essential to intellectual and scientific progress. That requires toleration of opposing viewpoints and the willingness to debate them. If the university fails to keep alive that aspect then its days are numbered as a respected institution or I might say, it is respected not for excellence but for conformity and only by those who adhere to this conformity. It has happened to other institutions through the ages. The older excellent professors die off and the excellent young professors and students don’t want to work there leaving only the mediocre ones to carry the torch which they eventually drop.

Harvard has passed the stage of being an echo chamber and is now in a full-blown walled-off fort cut off from the surrounding countryside. They won’t hire anybody who is not of their views and they actively eliminate those already there. On the research side they do some excellent work but researchers and scientist are mobile and they do move. If Harvard continues on this path they will move to where they can work tranquilly. Trump cutting off the research money is making Harvard to make tough choices about its future. They can choose to remain ideologically pure but stagnant or they can choose to open up and be dynamic.

Funny enough, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries the Ivies put quotas on Jewish students. MIT did not. It went from being looked down upon by the Ivies as being almost a trade school to being what it was today. How? They took students purely on merit and attracted the best no matter what religion and refused legacy admissions. Cutting off Harvard’s money is a disaster for Harvard but it is not a disaster for research in the United States.

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

CITY COLLEGE in my native hymie town, too. we embrace hymie town here, as an LOL. hat tip jesse jackson. i’ve been attending colleges for almost 50 years now. ivy to state u to CC. it is all the same. go learn. or not.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
11 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

I have more respect to autodidacts than to a loser like u who accumulates muli degrees and still behave like a kid after 50 years. Learning is easy. If u learn what u have to learn u get a degree, guaranty. If u play in the global casino there are no guarantees. U can mock Trump all day long, but that’s a good sign: the Shmockers have lost their mind after Kamala and Biden destroyed the 100Y uniparty.

Doug78
Doug78
11 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

You do know you just used a racial slur?

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

sue me. get a sense of humor.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

your long diatribe can be summarized with: the free market will decide. It is as it has always been.

Pinko communist Trump & cult should understand that but they can’t help themselves to anti-woke bullying any more than Harvard can’t help themselves from woke bullying.

Doug78
Doug78
11 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

If I had just “: written the free market will decide” you wouldn’t have bothered to read what I wrote. Free markets just don’t happen by themselves. They have to be cultivated. Throughout history free markets and free though has………… there you go. You got me started diatribing again. Did you do that on purpose to get me wound up?

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Jennifer Scuteri
Jennifer Scuteri
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Just be consistent in your diatribes. Include legacy based admissions as not being merit-based. And then give examples – such as Trump and his kids not being qualified to go to Penn.

Doug78
Doug78
11 months ago

Legacy admissions is by definition not merit-based otherwise it would be called merit-based. I talked about MIT and not Penn so your objection makes no sense whatsoever.

Frosty
Frosty
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Merit? If daddy gives $10 million? That has merit…

This is a capitalistic economy, is it not?

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Agree with your first sentence. When I read this:

“The university will not surrender its independence or relinquish its constitutional rights.”….

I thought, what constitutional rights? Harvard is not a person. It is a legal construct. And it has no constitutional rights to grant money because (1) there is no defined right in the US Constitution and (2) CONgress has no right to spend money on grants. Sending grant money to universities does not promote my general welfare or anybody else’s.

Happy Easter.

Doug78
Doug78
11 months ago
Reply to  Tenacious D

I never said that. You are answering not to my comment but to Mish’s post. Fat Finger?

Pokercat
Pokercat
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Harvard has an endowment of over $53B, I don’t think they are too worried about a lame duck POTUS.

Doug78
Doug78
11 months ago
Reply to  Pokercat

They are leveraged and their fund is full of illiquid investments but like Long-Term Capital Management those funds are managed by PhDs in finance with awards so there is nothing to worry about.

Jennifer Scuteri
Jennifer Scuteri
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Shouldn’t we discuss how Trump got into Penn not on merit but because of who his father knew? And the same favor was extended to his kids. Wonder why Trump never released his transcript?? He almost flunked out.

How is a legacy admission (rich kid meritless admission) not included in your long diatribe?

Doug78
Doug78
11 months ago

So Trump is attacking Harvard because it uses legacy admissions when he himself got into Penn because of legacy admissions?

Jon
Jon
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Nothing you said about Harvard has any truth to it. Harvard does not have to hire flat earthers just so they can have viewpoint diversity.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

I agree with all except the bit about “no economic reason why research done at university”. University research has significant competitive advantages from inexpensive grad student labor and from sharing facilities between paid teaching and research.

There is however no economic reason to favor anti-constitutional favoritism-based universities over those that treat all humans equally based on merit and demonstrated ability rather than genetics.

Lefteris
Lefteris
11 months ago

I noticed in the comment sections on YT that the vast majority did not know that private universities were funded and tax-exempt by the government.
Trump has a talent of making everything “headline news” by staging mini-revolutions, initially destined to fail, but they raise awareness. No other way in modern society – you have to make noise, with a clear message: “Fitly rich Harvard is funded by Joe the plumber.”
It won’t cost him any of his votes. So, what will happen if the ball is given to Congress to decide now, vs. one year ago? Same sentiment? Nope.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
11 months ago

In CA McDonalds workers make more money than a PhD student working in a lab. R&D is cheaper when outsourcing it to Stanford, Harvard, CMU or MIT. Many of those advance degree ants are Indians and Chinese. State colleges built dorms just for them. This era is over. The AI bust and the medical mafia, which rob their customers, was stopped by RFK Jr, whose father was assassinated by a Palestinian nihilist who was born in Jerusalem in 1944. A few elite colleges students discovered that their visa was revoked. Many of these freedom fighters and foreign students cannot get a job

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Michael Engel
Michael Engel
11 months ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

The pharma mafia addicted people to statin and other drugs. The gov addict school children to fructose and junk food, loading on them poisonous chemicals during breakfast and lunch time. Kids have ADHD and a fatty liver from early age for no fault of their own. RFK Jr targets those gov programs. If we change our diet the US GDP will rise: we will become leaner, healthier, more productive with less brain fog. By cutting these useless labs Trump can cut the gov deficit.

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Michael Engel
Michael Engel
11 months ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

bmcc admires Sirhan Sirhan.

Simon
Simon
11 months ago

For what it’s worth, I have a Gmail account and was accidentally included in the original group email from the Administration requesting signatures to the Harvard letter

I never responded.Whew!

That was close.

Jojo
Jojo
11 months ago

Mish wrote: “In response, to Harvard’s response, Trump threatens to take away Harvard’s nonprofit status and freezes $2.2 billion in grants.”

You missed this additional escalation:

Trump Threatens to Block Harvard From Enrolling International Students

The Trump administration said Harvard must share detailed records about its foreign students, an escalation in the administration’s fight against prominent American schools.

By Hamed AleazizLuke Broadwater and Stephanie Saul

April 17, 2025

The Trump administration has threatened to block Harvard University from enrolling international students unless the school hands over detailed records about the student body, in another escalation of the federal government’s fight against higher education.

In a letter sent on Wednesday, Kristi Noem, the homeland security secretary, asked for “relevant information” on each student visa holder at Harvard who had been involved in “known illegal” or “dangerous” activity.

She also requested information on the coursework of student visa holders, to verify that they had taken enough classes to “maintain nonimmigrant student status.”

“It is a privilege to have foreign students attend Harvard University, not a guarantee,” Ms. Noem wrote in the letter, which was obtained by The New York Times. “The United States government understands that Harvard University relies heavily on foreign student funding from over 10,000 foreign students to build and maintain their substantial endowment.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/us/politics/trump-harvard-international-students.html

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

as if the repugs were ever the party of small government.

celtblood
celtblood
11 months ago

Harvard has become a joke. I’ve known Harvard graduates who could barely string a sentence together. This once great American icon of education has become a cesspool of PC and radical Leftist ideologies. It is a disgrace to our republic. I fully support defending them. They’re free to pursue their own path into the insane and ridiculous, just don’t do it with my tax dollars.

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago
Reply to  celtblood

defund all state universities and community colleges, too. those are meth cooking operations preparing for a life of employee and cannon fodder.

Jon
Jon
11 months ago
Reply to  celtblood

Defund all education that doesn’t agree with my personal views!!!

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
11 months ago

Literally every modern innovation in every aspect of life came from government research dollars. This goes for technology to pharma to anything you can think of.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
11 months ago

Trump has surrounded himself with incompetent buffoons. Team of rival idiots.

Jon
Jon
11 months ago

Trump’s problem is that far right-wing nutcases recognized that he is dumb as a stump and easily manipulated. So they manipulated him into hiring herds of right-wing nutcases. Those folks aren’t the brightest to begin with, so you get this constant churn of idiocy.

dtj
dtj
11 months ago

“This is what happens when you surround yourself with people whose only skill is willingness to suck up to Trump no matter what he says or does.”

You mean like Hegsworth, Bondi & the 5th IRS chief? The appointees are worse than a joke. They’re pretty sad actually.

I was keeping an open mind on Trump in the beginning. I no longer have an open mind about him. He lost me.

celtblood
celtblood
11 months ago
Reply to  dtj

I haven’t seen any Trump appointees who are men wearing dresses and pretending to be women, so he’s established a vast improvement. Talk about a joke, Biden’s bunch were a freak show.

Neil
Neil
11 months ago
Reply to  celtblood

Good God yes, the last thing we would want is for people in Government to be selected based on silly things like competence. Praise Trump for finally ending the obsession with having competent people in these roles!

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago
Reply to  celtblood

coin toss. who is better. a genocidal cadaver or the grifter and moron in charge now. both reflect amerikans. democracy works. hat tip republic of plato.

Pokercat
Pokercat
11 months ago
Reply to  dtj

It should be clear by now that Trump is mentally ill and should not have ever been or continue as POTUS.

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MI6
MI6
11 months ago

It’s pretty clear that no one in the Trump administration or Mish (sorry) understands how academia and federal money it gets works. The money that Havard isn’t getting is for research, not to subsidize education.

At least 95% of grant money, mostly federal, that goes to colleges comes from RESEARCH GRANTS which are highly competitive. There’s a little money out there that funds DEI crap but it’s a very small percentage. You’ll almost never get a penny for funding education, that’s what tuition is for. Big universities are primarily research institutes, education is about 1/3rd of the budget and is perhaps 1/10th of the actual work that’s done.

Universities do the research that corporations won’t because the return is uncertain. Unfortunate, but corporations are there to make the most money on the least investment, that’s how it is. You want a cure for cancer? Federal money to universities are how it’s going to happen. Even NIH is mostly there to fund university research.

I worked in a lab that got $20 million from GE medical to do MRI research. I had a PhD and five years experience. I got paid $30K a year. Good deal for GE, let me tell you! I would have made 4X as much in the corporate world. Also asked for and got WIC (Wives, Infants, and Children), free food, mostly breakfast stuff. It was necessary feed my two kids. Had I been paid from a federal research grant, like from NIH, I might have made $45K, a bit over the WIC eligibility.

As my case illustrates, research grants are a pretty good deal. I discovered a way to diagnose a birth defect before the babies died from it. A good return, I’d say,

Couldn’t live on $45K a year from NIH research grants, so went into the corporate world where, believe me, I contributed little or nothing to society and was very well paid for it.

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I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
11 months ago

Many in higher education worry Trump’s efforts to bend academia to his will could end American leadership in research and science. Universities are not finding many allies to defend them. https://archive.ph/34wjr#selection-535.0-535.187

MI6
MI6
11 months ago

Not “could”. “Will”

Jon
Jon
11 months ago

Nations around the world spend more money sending there best and brightest to American universities than they spend on American coal and natural gas combined. It represents about 16% of US service exports. Ours are the best in the world by far, and Trump and his dense minions are out to destroy that too.

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago

Trump is deporting Chinese collage students which mean he is burning the bridges with China.
There is talk of delisting China from the stock market which is a nuclear option.
lots of bad things happen after that. great depression plus inflation. stagflation 70s times ten. good luck girls.

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago

it’s idiotic at best to not want money going to college research and help for students……. grants to harvard are mostly harmless. grants to MICC and wall street come with infinity contingent liabilities. like 9.11.01 etc…………

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
11 months ago

Mish, do you not think that various research-oriented agencies should provide grants to university researchers upon application? I fail to believe you do not understand how basic scientific research in the country works. Having served on a University hospital foundation board and having had a spouse who helped write grant requests that assisted in both the pioneering of liver transplantation and HIV treatments, I both understand how critical Federal research grant money is to enable early-stage basic scientific and technological research that plant the seeds for the innovation miracle that is the U.S. economy.

MI6
MI6
11 months ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

Just to clarify, for non-scientists reading your comment, getting research money is very difficult. It’s not an ‘ask and you shall receive’ thing. At NASA and NIH about one research proposal in nine gets funded. Very difficult to carry out a research program with such low odds. Just because you work gets funded for one year there’s absolutely no guarantee you get some the next year. The extreme competition means most taxpayer money is wasted: research is defunded before any reasonable person could expect results.

If it makes anyone here feel better you can go to the NIH page that lists research funding opportunities and you’ll find it says “no funding available’. That should scare anyone who thinks they might get sick someday.

I was going to apply for money to diagnose mild traumatic brain injury in the military. About 20% of military personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan had mild traumatic brain injury which was nearly always undiagnosed. Until they took a second injury, in which case they often ended up as vegetables. Too bad the DoD eliminated funding for that a few weeks ago. I guess the govt/DoD figures the GIs are just going to have to lump it.

Avery2
Avery2
11 months ago

KISS – don’t give these rats any money under any conditions.

Jean
Jean
11 months ago

So it’s ok for money to go to certain companies, but not to the universities? Got it. If we’re going to cut, let’s cut everything, everywhere. Let’s cut R&D. Soon, we will be sending our kids to China because the Chinese government supports their universities.

Richard S.
Richard S.
11 months ago
Reply to  Jean

If the U.S. wants to give scholarships to native born citizens toward STEM majors, or even to learn trades, i think that would be wonderful. That’s not what’s happening now.

MI6
MI6
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard S.

Most STEM graduate students are subsidized in that they’re paid small salaries, usually from federal grants, to do research that the govt thinks should be funded.

I do agree there should be alot more money for learning trades. No one should have to go thousands of dollars into debt to learn skills that will enable them to make a living doing work that this country absolutely needs.

Richard S.
Richard S.
11 months ago

And meanwhile, Harvard pays dementia Joe $400k to make a speech to 50 students in which he mistaked Iraq for Ukraine and dropped an ice cream on the floor. F them! Harvard shouldn’t receive a dime of hard-earned taxpayers’ money.

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bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard S.

bwaaaahhhh. you think it is taxes that pay for it? try computer currency just conjured up with the stroke of a zero……on keyboard. taxes. bwaaaahhhhhhh. thanks for the lol. keep it up.

Richard S.
Richard S.
11 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

Don’t be a retard by playing a game of semantics. Either way, the working class pays.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard S.

The working class barely pays any taxes.

https://usafacts.org/articles/who-pays-the-most-income-tax/
Most of the government’s federal income tax revenue comes from the nation’s top income earners. In 2021, the top 5% of earners — people with incomes $252,840 and above — collectively paid over $1.4 trillion in income taxes, or about 66% of the national total. If you include the top 10% — everyone who made at least $169,800 — that figure rises to $1.7 trillion, or 76% of the total.

Avery2
Avery2
11 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

%

Good one!

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
11 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

The percent of total taxes paid argument is hard to win because of the extreme income and wealth inequality in our country, but it is very important to point out that working class Americans, even those in joint households where a couple’s combined income is $120,000, pay very, very low federal income taxes. Such a household, with two kids and a 5% contribution to employee retirement plans, pays around $5,000 annually in Federal income taxes, equating to an effective tax rate of 6%. The other important point to make is that at this combined income and below, if their children excel in high school, it is quite easy to find colleges that would completely pay for their tuition and, in some cases, room and board. On the other hand, a household with a combined income of $240,000 would pay around $30,000 in federal tax, 5X the household earning $120,000 and have an effective tax rate of 13%. Plus, their children would not get any break on college costs. The working class in this country pays very little in federal income taxes compared to any other advanced economy in the world. It is given opportunities from an educational standpoint to help their children do better than they did for little to no cost.

Pokercat
Pokercat
11 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Excellent, now if we just limit personal worth to $500m and confiscate the overage we’ll be doing something worthwhile.

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard S.

you cannot be that ignorant to not know working class pays bupkiss. it’s an act, i’m sure. just to rile up folks.

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago

trump and maga are morons. fed money to ivy league is great money spent. great research for so many things for benefit of mankind. about 100000X better than the money spent to department of war, or wall street bailouts or farmers etc…………i’m a libertarian too, Mish. but this is the last money we need to stop. i’m ok with with stopping it but should be last money cut. columbia pussied out. i’m embarrassed. studied there as did my family up and down the family tree……..

Pokercat
Pokercat
11 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

Trump is mentally ill, MAGA is a cult. MAGA = AINO (American In Name Only)

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
11 months ago

Kim Jong Trump wants to control what everyone thinks, does and acts. The mistake they made was thinking Harvard would roll over. They didn’t and now Trump lost.

Not winning.

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

china is gonna fuck over amerika due to trump. the world hates us now. not smart. harvard has some balls. the working class in amerika seem so cowardly.

Irish
Irish
11 months ago

Bullies always cave when the victim stands their ground.

Sam
Sam
11 months ago

Why is the government providing funds to.private universities? They don’t provide funds to private elementary or secondary schools. DOGE please cut all funding to private colleges and universities. Most have billion dollar endowments as well

Irish
Irish
11 months ago
Reply to  Sam

Dodge is a scam. Wake up.

Don C.
Don C.
11 months ago
Reply to  Irish

Fortunately, Toyota is not a scam.

Avery2
Avery2
11 months ago
Reply to  Irish

Their Slant 6 lasted forever.

HubrisEveryWhereOnline
HubrisEveryWhereOnline
11 months ago
Reply to  Sam

The federal government provides relatively little to any ‘universities’. It provides quite a bit to students in the way of student loans (and interest to be repaid) and thus tuition to colleges – and some of that goes to private schools.

The federal government also provides money to academic researchers in the way of grants – and some of those researchers work at private universities.

From the federal government perspective, it does not matter whether those funds are going to ‘public’ or ‘private’ colleges; almost all are run as non-profit entities anyway. So your ‘private’ concern is not really any concern.

Now if you don’t want to fund research or help future workers get an education, that’s a different issue.

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago

a voice of reason with knowledge. what the hell are you doing here.

Don C.
Don C.
11 months ago

Harvard received over $2 Billion in grants. The fed govt last week was studying whether to stop those grants.

MikeB
MikeB
11 months ago

$53B endowment aside…

Can we get a report card on the research? Overhead (Indirect costs) can be 40-50% among major Universities.

I’m all for subsidizing “future workers”…in STEM related disciplines.

MI6
MI6
11 months ago
Reply to  MikeB

That’s exactly what research grants do. Yeah, anything over 30% overhead is questionable, but not necessarily thievery. Overhead is what pays for the buildings, the utilities, the computers, and yes, in the end, alot of useless DEI admins, but that’s beyond the control of the professors/scientists doing the research.

Jojo
Jojo
11 months ago
Reply to  MikeB

There is too much research that never seems to end and therefore, doesn’t make it to market. Scientists research and research and research but progress is mostly, very slow in many areas.

For example, people have been researching the human brain for thousands of years (scientifically for perhaps the last 300 or so). Yet with all our modern technology and tens of thousands of brain researchers worldwide, we STILL don’t know how the brain stores memories, how it retrieves them and therefore don’t know how to read memories.

Fusion power is another area of research that has stretched on for 70 odd years and is only in the last 5 years or so, FINALLY reaching the point where there MIGHT be commercial fusion power plants released in the next 10 years. So what was the big advance that must have occurred 5-10 years ago that lit a fire under the rear of fusion researchers? Can anyone tell me what it was?

Then there are all kinds of miracle materials: STRONGER THAN STEEL! More FLEXIBLE, IMPERVIOUS to high or cold temps, etc. But these materials never seem to get incorporated into real world products and processes and so we get into battles on keeping archaic, massively polluting steel plants running.

And don’t forget many medical and drug advances that always take decades to become available to patients due to plodding progress by the medical companies and pussyfooting by the FDA.

It is my contention that researchers ‘slow walk’ their research work in order to maintain their grants, salaries and prestige.

This needs to stop!

bmcc
bmcc
11 months ago
Reply to  Sam

are you joking about where funds go? DOGE won’t cut a shekel. laughable.

MI6
MI6
11 months ago
Reply to  Sam

Read the posts from people who understand how federal money and academia works. The money academia gets for the research that the govt wants funded, like a cure for cancer, or DoD stuff. It’s not used to subsidize education. I won’t say some cash doesn’t go to develop a curriculum for womyn’s studies but that’s really small change.

Cow Man
Cow Man
11 months ago

President Trump has plenty of experience in the bankruptcy process. This is his first try at bankrupting a Country. Give him some time to perfect the process.

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