The Ruble Regains 100% of Its Loss After Russia Invaded Ukraine, Why?

Ruble chart courtesy of Trading Economics, annotations by Mish

Key Points

  • When Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, it took 84 rubles to buy 1 US dollar.
  • On March 7, it took 131.2 rubles to buy 1 US dollar.
  • That’s a 36% decline in the rubble vs the US dollar.
  • The ruble is now back where it started on February 24.

Conventional Wisdom 

Putin and Italy’s Prime Minister, Mario Draghi, have discussed payments for gas in Russian rubles. 

What’s the Difference?

Weiner correctly notes the imagination. 

Oil for Rubles, Who Cares?

Case 1: To get rubles to buy oil, Europe sells Euros to Russia central bank. Europe immediately send the rubles it received straight back to Russia to pay for the the oil. Russia central bank accumulates euros.

Case 2: Russia sells oil for euros. Russia central bank accumulates the exact same number of Euros as in case number one.

The currency exchange takes place in seconds. Europe does not have to hold rubles to buy oil.

This is just more of the “oil priced in euros” stupidity. No one will have to hold rubles to buy Russian oil. Or gas. The Ruble does not become a reserve currency.

There is perhaps some small psychological impact, but there is no real impact unless Europe actually held ruble reserves, and here’s a hint: Europe wouldn’t.

What About European Sanctions?

President Biden

Biden says “Ruble reduced to Rubble because of sanctions.”

It took another three days from that Tweet for the ruble to regain all of its losses. Why? 

In three words: Sanctions Don’t Work. Here are some examples.

Parallel Credit Card Payment System

The Wall Street Journal reports Russia Built Parallel Payments System That Escaped Western Sanctions

Visa and Mastercard pulled the plug on Russia’s credit cards. But following the 2014 war in which Visa and Mastercard did the same, Russia took measures to not let that happen again.

Instead, Putin implemented a National Payment Card System—known by its Russian initials NSPK. Visa and Mastercard went along with it.

In 2015 Russia then forced the use of Mir cards based on NSPK. 

Those cards do not use the US payment system.  

One irony is that instead of Visa and Mastercard getting the fees, Russia’s central bank collected 8.2 billion rubles in net profit, or about $94 million at current exchange rates.

Russia actually profited from Visa and Mastercard sanctions.

Price of Oil and Natural Gas

The price of oil and natural soared after the invasion. 

The US banned Russian oil, and that influenced the price. But trading never totally stopped. Instead, Russia traded oil to China for a discount, but at a price higher than the pre-war price. 

In the hoot of the “We are completely against any kind of blackmailing,” Germany’s Finance Minister Christian Lindner told CNBC Monday.

Gold-Backed Ruble?

Those Tweets are nonsense. There is no gold-backed ruble. 

Russia is offering to buy gold at a discount. It certainly is not selling gold at a discounts. 

The amount of total nonsense generated over those Tweets and payment in rubles is staggering.

What Does Payment in Rubles Really Mean?

Please consider What Would Paying for Natural Gas in Rubles Mean?

The article quotes Eswar Prasad, professor of trade policy at Cornell University and a former official at the International Monetary Fund.

In theory, requiring ruble payments could support demand for the currency and its exchange rate. But not by much, Prasad says. As it stands, euros and dollars are already being used to purchase rubles when Gazprom exchanges its foreign earnings.

Note that last sentence. This is what Weiner implied in his Tweet above.

What Russia actually did is force exporters to trade 80% of its euros and dollars into rubles at a discount. That creates a huge artificial demand for rubles

Currency and Stock Market Restrictions

Russia also restricted currency trades. People who wanted out of the ruble could not get out. 

In addition, Russia Banned Foreigners From Selling Russia Stocks

Russia’s Real Power

Russia’s real power is to shut off the supply of natural gas, oil, fertilizer, and grain.

List of Companies Still Doing Business in Russia

The list of US companies still doing business in Russia is huge. We hear about meaningless reactions. 

France would not go along, at all. “We are not at war with Russia,” said French President Emanuel Macron.

For discussion, please see After McDonald’s Closed 847 Restaurants in Russia, Russian Government Renamed Them “Uncle Vanya”

Russia seized 847 McDonald’s. Who did that hurt? 

Eight Reasons For Ruble Rebound

  1. Russia escaped Visa and Mastercard
  2. Russia still trades oil and gas with Europe
  3. Russia halted currency trades
  4. Russia enacted stock market restrictions
  5. Of Russian exporters, Russia demanded 80% of euros and dollars be traded for rubles.
  6. Russia threatens to stop exporting key commodities including aluminum, natural gas, fertilizer, rare earth minerals, etc., driving up prices and the need to stockpile.
  7. Sanctions cannot take away Russia’s natural resources. 
  8. The Fed can print dollars, it cannot print commodities. Likewise, the ECB can print euros, it cannot print commodities

Two False Reasons People Key On

  1. Russia demands payment in rubles
  2. Gold-backed ruble

I am surprised Robin Brooks messes this up so badly.

Understanding Threats

Luke Gromen gets that aspect correct, Robin Brooks doesn’t. 

Twelve and Three-Word Summations

A twelve-word synopsis of the above is Misguided Souls Still Do Not Understand This Simple Truth: Sanctions Don’t Work

The last three of those twelve words emphasize the key point.

Meanwhile, Biden Doing Everything Possible to Drive Up the Price of Oil, Some of It’s Illegal

Finally, US Sanction Policy Drives China Into Russia’s Loving Arms.

China is the big winner in global sanction policy.

There is one more key aspect: Weaponizing the US dollar has totally backfired on the US. War views aside, we should all cheer that aspect. Yet, misguided souls want to escalate what is proven not to work. 

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Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
So historically was the Ruble the reserve currency for Soviet Block Nations, and is still somewhat of the reserve currency for former Soviet Union countries that have not joined the Euro. Other than security issues that Russia is concerned about, could the Ukraine situation be a central banking issue as well???
Cocoa
Cocoa
2 years ago
Does the Russian bank convert the euros or dollars to rubles to then pay for gas? Sounds like a headache more than a chess move.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  Cocoa
Before the war, energy was traded for euros. They signed long term agreements to swap euros for energy. Russia got euros and did whatever they wanted with them. Maybe they converted some to Rubles. Maybe not. I don’t know what they did. Now they want Rubles, so whoever buys their energy will go to forex and exchange euros for rubles and then send rubles to Russia for their energy.
Dominic69
Dominic69
2 years ago
In his “Case 1” and “Case 2” Mish assumes that the Central bank of Russia will readily swap Euros or Dollars for Rubles…but that is the whole point of this exercise. What if the Bank of Russia actually does not provide Rubles readily on request and you have to search for it in the interbank market, some non Russian entity from a non hostile countries that has already Rubles and is willing to swap them for Euros or Dollars. It does not make sense to sell in Rubles if the end result is the Bank of Russia still accumulating Euro or Dollar reserves which can be seized.
Cocoa
Cocoa
2 years ago
Reply to  Dominic69
Create bonds denominated in Rubles like everyone creates dollar-based debt!
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Russia wanting rubles for energy absolutely caused the value of the ruble to go up. Anyone planning on buying Russian energy likely rushed to buy rubles before the price went up. Whether or not the price continues to go up is debatable, but short term it pushed up the value of the ruble.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Exactly. You would like your bank balance to be in the same currency as you pay your bills in. If my rent, grocery, food and (yes) energy prices are all going to be in dollars, I would want my bank balance to be in dollars too. Not in yens or pounds or euros – EVEN IF I feel that those currencies might get a little stronger than the dollar over time because, what if I was wrong and they went the other way instead?

And if the rent, grocery, food and energy prices go up as well, it would be a double whammy. I would surely want to avoid that double whammy. It is just common sense.

urtau
urtau
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Nope. They asked for payment in Rubles, they don’t PRICE it in Rubles. They can’t, it’s a global market. The price at settlement will always be basically in dollars or maybe Euros (which given the short-term stability are nearly equivalent) at the concurrent exchange rate to Rubles. If the price of the Ruble drops in half, they’ll demand twice as many Rubles. If it doubles, they’ll slash the price in Rubles in half. A country could always speculate on a foreign currency, but it has nothing to do with paying bills, or hedging risk. They will always be able to purchase at the market value in Euros (or dollars), they just have to exchange for Rubles at the time of settlement.
Mish just explained all this above, that it doesn’t matter whether France buys Rubles for Euros or Gas for Euros. France ends up with gas, Russia ends up with the Euros, the Rubles are irrelevant.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  urtau
Either way, it increases the demand for rubles so that will push up the price in forex. And since no oil has been traded in Rubles, I don’t think the price has been determined. I don’t see how it would be possible to price something in rubles that varies with the exchange rate of another currency. The price would be constantly changing.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  urtau

Russia getting paid for gas in their currency would at best help marginally in getting around financial sanctions, propping up the ruble’s value or protecting the Russian economy, said Eswar Prasad, professor of trade policy at Cornell University and a former official at the International Monetary Fund.

“Either Putin is getting terrible economic advice or he is going further off the rails in his hatred for the West,” Prasad said. “It would be cheaper for foreign importers to pay for Russia’s exports in a currency that is collapsing in value, but it is difficult to acquire rubles and make payments in a manner that avoids the sanctions.”

What you wrote doesn’t jibe with what the professor said.
Dutoit
Dutoit
2 years ago
I believed they would be forced to sell their gold….
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
The point about Visa/Master, as well as McDonalds, is very salient:
While Western companies are very entrenched in a lot of countries, lots of the reason is just inertia. Often backed by repressive, as always entirely arbitrarily “interpreted”, “IP” and “contract” so called “laws.” It’s not as if others cannot replicate many/most of the processes by now, without having to pay the incumbents what by now amounts to no more than just rent.
Smaller countries, are likely scared of cutting Visa/Master, McDonalds, Amazon…. out, fearing “sanctions” etc. (and worse….), which is mostly all that The West is able to competitively produce anymore. Russia pioneering cutting them out successfully, may in fact make doing so more generally accepted globally. Which can’t help but being a god thing. Since rent, and rent seeking, are about the most productivity destroying pathologies in existence.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
I agree with this message, most definitely the law of inertia.
However, there is more to it: the law of corruption, nepotism, and a host of cultural features that keeps some cultures in a morass.
At best, they can keep up with the leading technological advancements by borrowing.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
Forcing payment in Rubles, does allow the Russian central bank increased control over the Ruble/Euro exchange rate. It doesn’t necessarily matter for gas sales to Europe, but by putting the exchange rate on a more secure footing, it makes it less risky for smaller countries to accept Rubles in payment for exports to Russia, than if the Ruble were to be some currency without any use in any international trade.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
These numbers were pre-invasion. I bet that Russia will show a significant decline in GDP and economic output going forward, perhaps for many years. Also losing a lot of their younger and smartest people who are leaving the county in droves.
———
How Russia Makes Its Money
Updated February 24, 2022
Russia is much larger than the contiguous United States, and has an educated population and far more natural wealth than you might expect. Yet Russia’s gross domestic product (GDP) only comes in at 11th in the world.
While the U.S. ranks as the world’s largest economy with a GDP of $21 trillion, Russia’s nominal GDP comes in at $1.48 trillion. In terms of GDP, Russia trails much smaller countries, such as the United Kingdom, Italy, and France. This is far lower than the country’s inputs—such as literacy levels and access to capital—would indicate. How then does Russia make its money, and why doesn’t it make more?
Dutoit
Dutoit
2 years ago
Russian gas in China
link to en.wikipedia.org This is the first pipeline from eastern Siberia to China. The gas to Europe comes from Yamal, in western Siberia.
link to pipeline-journal.net This will connect Yamal to China.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Mish writes “Sanctions Don’t Work”
Ok, so what would YOU propose be done by the West in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine?
Shrug and say something like ‘our economic well being is more important than the invasion and literal destruction of an independent country? Go right ahead Russia. Take Estonia, Moldavia, Latvia, etc. whenever you want.’?
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Caitlin Johnstone has already answered that:
“No I think Ukraine should sacrifice rivers of blood serving as US proxy cannon fodder for years to drain Moscow while you sit at home eating Pop Tarts and tweeting.”
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Strangely enough Caitlin Johnstone is an Australian housewife who blogs while eating pop tarts and tweets a lot. That’s her trademark. She could also have said, “No I think Russians should sacrifice rivers of blood serving as cannon fodder for years for Putin’s glory” if she though it would give her more likes.
prumbly
prumbly
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
If Russia had intended to take Ukraine they would have used FAR MORE military personnel than they did. The Ukraine is 3 times the size of the UK, so no way you can invade it and occupy it using just 150,000 men.
The Russian military has about 1 million men, and another 2 million reserves.
The media narratives you seem to be believing are deeply stupid.
MountainMan
MountainMan
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“invasion and literal destruction of an independent country? Go right ahead Russia. Take Estonia, Moldavia, Latvia, etc. whenever you want.’?”
Maybe they don’t really need any of this, including and especially the Ukraine? Maybe this was never about the Ukraine, but only to accelerate the demise of the US dollar, thus accelerating the establishment of a new Eastern World Order? Just a theory.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  MountainMan
The demise of the US dollar is being brought about by US actions. But then, maybe the Russians knew the US would do that?! After all, chess is the national obsession for Russians is chess, where they have to think of the opponent’s next 10 to 20 moves. While the national obsession for US Americans is “football”! They didn’t even get the name right! LOL
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Who is going to reassemble Yugoslavia? That independent country was destroyed.
By the way, when do the Kurds get an independent country? Why aren’t they allowed an independent identity? The Basques?
Current borders are supposed to be sacrosanct, but Democrats want open borders in the U.S.
Jackula
Jackula
2 years ago
Didn’t Russia also raise interest rates to close to 20% for a bit? And crypto also benefitted at least for a while. Russia seems to have a much more solid monetary system than most as well.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
All this chatter about Saudi Arabia accepting the Yuan does not mean what most think it does.
What it really means is the US is energy independent so Saudi does not have perpetual dollar inflows from the US. Instead, Saudi has huge money inflows from China, a US energy strength! Quite the opposite of how it’s taken by most pundits.
China is buying increasing amounts f oil from Saudi. Since Biden pissed them off Saudi might want military equipment or 5G technology from China instead of the US.
That thought completes the picture.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
These autocratic dictatorships are all alike in that they still mainly rely on selling oil. Their decades are numbered and they know it. It is part of the reason Putin attacked now than wait another decade. Eventually these countries that double as glorfied gas stations won’t have anything to show for all their natural resources because they failed to develop other parts of their economies.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
What else are they going to develop in countries mainly made up of sand dunes? Tourism? Camel rides?
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
“The currency exchange takes place in seconds.”

Sure it does – at the *prevailing* currency exchange rate! And that does fluctuate – of course.

So WHY does, say, India hold dollars in such large quantities? Because they are a huge buyer of oil, and would not want the currency exchange rate to be yet another variable involved in the price they pay for oil (the fluctuation in oil price is the other factor, and they want to limit it to just that one factor).
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with India was $28.8 billion in 2019
India holds dollars because it gets them
China holds dollars because it gets then
Japan holds dollars because it gets them
Nearly every damn country that has a trade surplus with the US gets dollars
Countries holds dollars as a mathematical fact not because of a need to buy oil
How many F*ing times does this have to be explained
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Its a damn mathematical FACT – Someone MUST hold every dollar the US prints 100% of the time.
Morons believe it is to buy oil
Tired of explaining trade math over and over and over
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
If the others don’t hold the dollars, then the Federal Reserve has to. Or the US has to pay a higher interest rate so the other countries will be incentivized to hold it.

Or…. US can force the most important commodity in the world to be priced in oil so countries hold US dollars even at zero interest rates, in order to avoid two levels of fluctuation in oil prices.

Tired of explaining this simple fact over and over and over.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Since so many things are priced in dollars if you have dollars you can use them to buy just about anything. On the other hand there are few things you can buy with rubles so to buy something that Russia does not make which is just about everything you would have to convert your rubles to dollars. It’s not just an oil story.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Those countries are not paid in dollars. They’re paid in their currency. They choose to exchange for USD primarily to keep their currency down relative to USD.
Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
The fact that the US runs huge trade deficits is the reason the US dollar is the worlds reserve currency.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Chicken or Egg?
But yes the two are related.
And it is why exporting giants do not want to be the world’s reserve currency even if they met the qualifications.
Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I guess that the Bretton Woods Agreement was the chicken and trade deficits are the egg.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
“Sure it does – at the *prevailing* currency exchange rate!”
Wrt Europe, those contracts are still priced in Euros, even if settled in Rubles….. So the Europeans themselves don’t really have to hold Rubles.
But higher order: The increased and more stable and visible demand for Rubles, should make it more palatable for, say, Indians to hold them. Which should help facilitate trade between Russia and other parties. Even European non gas parties.
One way or the other: A more widely available, stable, alternative to USD/SWIFT, will come out of this. USD/SWIFT is obviously not reliable and trustworthy enough to be fully reliant on for all the world’s potential trading parties. I’d be surprised if that alternative would turn out to be a fully Ruble one (China being so dominant in trade will almost inevitably be central), but Russia, with all its exportable resources and weapons, may end up being a component in it. At least until world populations should suddenly wake up tuned in to a second Enlightenment, and realize dependence on arbitrarily printed up paper pieces will always be inferior to simply trading in Gold. Or even crypto.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Putin isn’t going to stop bombing Ukraine. This is the MO. See Chechyna. With the ruble recovering it will give him more money for weapons. We will find out how serious the west is about it all. It will require a lot more than simple sanctions.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
You liberals are getting a whiplash! One day, it is – oh, look at Russia retreating after getting thoroughly beaten by Ukraine. Next day, it is Russia is bombing Ukraine heavily. And the following day, it is back to the “Russia is losing” nonsense.
Give it a rest. Go take a walk before you idiots get us all killed in a nuclear war that, a few years ago, you were hysterically shrieking *Trump* would plunge the world in.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Lol. The people in the know never said he was ‘retreating’. That was the word the Russian government used to communicate to western media. Putin never retreats. Chechnya got bombed into the dark ages until Putin could install a dictator there. Remains to be seen how far he will go given Ukrainians are not Muslims like Chechens but seems like the MO is the same.
Anyway I’ve maintained this was with Russia was unavoidable since 2014 but this goes back way further. The west will have do something at some point.
Why are you so scared of nuclear war ? Do you not have a bunker?
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Where is YOUR bunker? Inside Biden’s posterior aperture?
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Don’t need one. I have no fear should the end come. It’s going to happen one day anyway for each and every one of us.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Same logic is used by climate change deniers as well. Congratulations on attaining the same level of ignorance!
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
I think I can safely say the world as we know it won’t last long if there is a nuclear war between Russia and the west. It isn’t a world I would want to live in. Not because I don’t have a bunker but because a bunker is not worth living in. I dunno how you got global warming mixed up in all that. Nuclear fallout is much much worse and faster.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
I was replying to your “we all have to die one day” nonsense.
Yes, nuclear fallout is much worse and faster. Which is why the genius liberals think it is less of a problem than climate change!
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Is Russia buying weapons with Rubles?
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
There is a difference between loss of reserve currency and decreased dependence on the dollar and bilateral trade in other currencies.
The US still secure on RC even as the stage is set for decreased dependence on the dollar. The latter is happening now.
ZZR600
ZZR600
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I think I understand how the US$ can be a reserve currency, even with decline of its use in trade. But as a thought experiment, if there is a continuous decline in use of the USD in international trade (with the exception of trade conducted directly with the USA which as you’ve pointed out is a mathematical necessity), where does this eventually lead to? At what point does a currency that is less and less in used outside of the domestic market lose reserve currency status? Or will it only happen once another currency does have all the criteria, to enable trade to transfer from using one to the next? What if no other currency ever fits the criteria?
Esclaro
Esclaro
2 years ago
All you have illustrated is how far we have to go to reach the point where nothing and I mean nothing is imported to the US from Russia and China. Let France and Germany be vassal states, IDGAF, but the US needs to embargo all Chinese and Russian goods and repudiate all US debt held by them. We are now in a state of economic war with them and we need to treat them as such. They are our enemies and anyone who sides with them is a traitor and subject to the penalty for traitors.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Absurd
Russia and China have supplies of things the US needs and does not have.
What happens if only China gets Russian titanium?
It is amazing how I spell this out in detail and get absurd comments back about importing nothing from Russia and China.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
It goes beyond the supplies of materials. US doesn’t even have the manufacturing prowess anymore, thanks to 40+ years of Reaganomics-inspired outsourcing and offshoring, enthusiastically implemented by both Right-wing Party (R) and Right-wing Party (D).
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Agree. It will take a lot more effort though. Basically a halt in the global economy. Which I predict will happen.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
What you propose will hurt the US enormously. Are you a foreign agent trying to bring down the US? Sure seems like you are.
Robbyrob
Robbyrob
2 years ago
7 busses with Russian soldiers suffering from Acute Radiation Syndrome have arrived to a hospital in Belarus from the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone in Ukraine link to twitter.com
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Robbyrob
I’m sure some rubles will solve their problems.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Robbyrob
They were probably eating the radioactive animals that roam there. Saw a story on such animals on a TV documentary a while back.
Sue Demin
Sue Demin
2 years ago
As I understand it and unless things have changed, sanctions on Russia’s $630 billion in foreign reserves are narrow in scope. There’s not (yet) a freeze on Russias foreign reserve assets but a restriction on their flow/use. In other words, Russia’s foreign reserves can’t be used to prop up the Ruble, but it can be used to make sovereign debt payments, purchases of food goods, etc. So instead of using its foreign reserves to buy Rubles to prevent a continuation of a plunge in value (recall that in one day its value dropped 30%), on 1 March 2022 Russia announced an increase in interest rates paid on deposits from 9.5% to 20%. This made a bet on the Russian currency attractive enough the stem further declines.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Added This Tweet to my post
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish

The French companies most active in Russia are retailers and supermarket chains. Renault is the French company most exposed. They build cars and sell them there. Economically speaking they are not that important to Russia’s economy. What is important are the high tech companies like Airbus and the like. Those companies are pulling out of Russia and that will hurt Russia much more. In a few months few airplanes will be able to fly in the country for lack of critical parts and expertise to make repairs. Aeroflot’s main servcing center is not in Russia. It’s in Germany and that example is true for many other Russian industries as well.

Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Hurt who more?
Russia or Europe as soon as Russia halts titanium exports.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Titanium is mined in China, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Mozambique and a few other countries so the obvious solution would be to develop titanium mines in those places. It will take time but will be done. In the meantime as the Boeings and Airbuses stop flying because of the lack of spare parts and maintenance it will become progressively harder to move around the country. Eventually only rail and road travel will be possible and in a country the size of Russia that would by itself kill the economy. It will take only a few months. Russia does have some airliners made in the country but only a few and even then their engines come from the West.
JRM
JRM
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
What an idiotic belief!!!
So all the experts are non RUSSIAN??
They will still get the parts needed, just like Iran by way of CHINA!!!
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  JRM
It’s not a belief. It is fact and yes, the experts who repair Aeroflot’s Boeings and Airbuses are not Russian but German. Those parts don’t grow on trees and each sale is carefully documented and there is no market for counterfeit airplane parts. Boeing and Airbus don’t let just anybody work on their planes for obvious reasons. I doubt that China could help Russia on this. It’s not like spare parts for a car.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
If Russia actually cuts supply of oil and gas, that would matter.
Instant recession in Europe.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
That is already expected and Europe is ok with it.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Russia insists to be paid in Rubles starting the first of the month and Europe refuses to pay in rubbles so Russia will cut off gas and oil deliveries. Europe goes into a recession and recovers after a year and never again imports Russian gas and oil. Russia goes into much more than a recession with no end in sight as they scramble to find replacements for a client that made up 70% of their total revenue. The pipeline installations leading to Western Europe are a pure loss because now they lead to a place where no one will buy. Putin made the decision to have Russia specialize in exporting energy and some metals then pissed off Russia’s clients so much that they no longer will deal with him. No one cares about the ruble and even fewer trade it. What is amazing is the number of companies that just picked up and left Russia because it has just become too much of a counterparty risk and frankly for the low amount of business generated in Russia it isn’t worth it. Oil, gas and metals can be bought in a lot of places around the world however good deep wealthy markets that can absorb exports of goods and services are not. They are in the US, Western Europe and Asia.
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
You seem to be implying that less fossil fuels will be used by the global economy, or, otherwise, alternative sources of palladium and phosphor will be taken into production at no significant cost.
All these Russian commodities are largely fungible and will simply be bought and sold somewhere, with a huge premium built in for inefficient and unnatural routing strategies that will impact customers more than produces.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
You forget that to sell you have to deliver and Russia will no be able to deliver by pipelines to Europe. Also the pipelines go to Europe and there are no connections to China so that oil will just sit in Russia going nowhere. It will take lots of time and money to export it now. You will have to finance it yourself and you will not have any technical help either.
JRM
JRM
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
You need to check your facts Russia and China have built many pipelines to deliver into China!!
NK has also, built new pipelines!!
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Pipelines take time and money to build and China is not stupid enough to source their energy needs from only one source.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Can you link to info on these pipelines? I can’t find anything.
Mcsnacks
Mcsnacks
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Haha. Russia has already sold all its oil for April and May. Even more than before. Europe only accounts for 40% natural gas and 10% of Russias oil. If you think countries aren’t going to pay $80.00 a barrel which is a $30 discount you know nothing about how an economy works. There’s over 30 countries lined up to get a piece of that action.
Russia is having countries get Rubles from their central bank first then pay for the oil and Natural gas. The central bank then controls the conversion price and fees. If they let Europe pay the company then the company exchanges it the company or Russia gets screwed. This way they control the Ruble worth. Not US and Europe.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Mcsnacks
That 40% gas can’t go anywhere but Europe and soon they won’ t be buying anymore. The oil through the Black sea is limited now and the far Eastern fields are near capasity. The oil pipelines will back up to the well heads and then there will be a bigger problem. Russian exports will drop down to three mb per day and then lower. Russia is screwed pretty much. The drop will come above all for technical reasons.Add to that the extended sanction risk you will find not many ways to get oil and gas out and money in. Putin’s knowledge of how business really works is on par with his knowledge of military matters. Wouldn’t you agree?
Eighthman
Eighthman
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Yeah, the EU vassals can just build a lot more LNG ships……Oh, wait, does that require lots of nickel for the compression alloys?
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Eighthman
Russia is only the world’s sixth largest nickel producer so I expect that nickel for compressed alloys will be found without a problem. Do you ever do a bit of research before posting? If you had you would have seen that Russia produces only 11% of the world’s nickel.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Excuse me but Russia is building a pipeline to China
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
If you look at a map of Russia’s pipelines to it’s neighbors it becomes clear. Notice the dense network that goes from Western Siberia to Western Europe and compare that to the sparse pipelines going to China. Next look at the distance between the Western Siberian fields and the potential customers in China. You can see that to replace Western Europe with China you would have to build several pipelines over several thousands of miles each to reach the Chinese industrial regions. That will take a lot of time and a lot of money both of which Russia does not have. The network to Europe which took decades and immense amounts of money to build is now a complete loss. To replicate that network to China would cost even more because the terrain is much more difficult and even more time. One pipeline to China is peanuts compared to what Russia just lost.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
If for some reason Europe wouldn’t buy Russian gas, they’d have to buy gas somewhere else. Then, those who currently buy that gas, would need to buy Russian gas.
If those someone else’s can’t, due to physical constraints/pipelines do that; they’ll continue bidding against Europe for gas. Forcing the price up to where gas intensive European industry becomes non viable, hence is mothballed. This industry’s output then being replaced by industry in places with cheaper, meaning Russian, gas…..
There is no spare gas capacity laying about, ready to serve Europe, at current prices. If there was spare capacity, prices would be lower.
“Sanctions”, are no more than yet another silly tantrum ballyhooed solely by those who, due to lack of competence, can not. Those who can, produce something of value. Leaving it to only those who no longer can, to fantasize that their incompetent selves can somehow achieve anything of value, without having the required competence to produce any of it. People around the world wants valuable goods for a good price. Not self righteous posturing by incompetent idiots, who no longer have the competence required to contribute anything at all.
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Still no succinct explanation of what made the rubble go down and then up.
The theory says that exchange rates will change under balance of trade until equilibrium is reached.
In practice that does not occur. We never see corrections in purchasing power forced by sliding exchange rates until imports/export rebalance.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Succinct Summation.
1. View that sanctions would matter.
2. They didn’t
Anon1970
Anon1970
2 years ago
The Russian ruble may be back to its old exchange rate before the attack on Ukraine, but Americans are paying about $1 more per gallon for their gas at the pump.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970
And they were paying $1.50 more per gallon since the Administration virtually shut down any incentive to invest in domestic production.
Eighthman
Eighthman
2 years ago
If we say that the dollar is supported by oil ( since Nixon/Kissinger), then we must say the ruble will eventually be supported by a host of vital commodities – being priced in them.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago

Sounds like the oligarchs will do just fine, until the proles get hungry.

Anon1970
Anon1970
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
…if they aren’t poisoned first. Read the latest news on billionaire oligarch Roman Abramovich.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970

Mere borscht flatulence, comrade!

JRM
JRM
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970
Complete BS Story.
It happened a month ago, RED FLAG why the story is leaked NOW!!!
They were poisoned in KIEV, which last check was controlled by the Ukrainians not the RUSSIANS!!!
Call_Me
Call_Me
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970
If one considers the plot holes and questionable official narrative(s) with the alleged Skripal poisonings from several years ago, the (lack of) speed with which this particular story came to the public’s attention should give one pause when reading about it.
Call_Me_Al
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
OT: Is payment in US dollars for international trade considered safe, now that inflation has taken off, and deeply negative interest rates?
ZZR600
ZZR600
2 years ago
So just to be clear, if Russia was able to enforce payment for energy and commodities in the Rouble, this will have no impact on it’s value vs other currencies? That seems to be the implication of this post
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  ZZR600
Case 1: To get rubles to buy oil, Europe sells Euros to Russia central bank. Europe immediately send the rubles it received straight back to Russia to pay for the the oil. Russia central bank accumulates euros.
Case 2: Russia sells oil for euros. Russia central bank accumulates the exact same number of Euros as in case number one.
The currency exchange takes place in seconds. Europe does not have to hold rubles to buy oil.
This is just more of the “oil priced in euros” stupidity. No one will have to hold rubles to buy Russian oil. Or gas. The Ruble does not become a reserve currency.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Strange what kind of policy you get when nobody understands arithmetic. I thought is was sad when my college students could not multiply or divide without a calculator. But at least they could add. The so called “economists” and “finance experts” working for this administration can’t even do that.
Then again, she does also think she is a Cherokee doesn’t she.
ZZR600
ZZR600
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
thanks for the additional explanation
Eighthman
Eighthman
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Reserve currency? Not right away but I would think eventually the Ruble joins the mix, especially in Eurasia. Arbitrage gets going as with ‘hey, rubles are looking cheap today’. Or some budget issue with ‘we’ll need them in a few months, buy now while we have the cash’.
My only question is, can the US or EU vassals freeze their currency if it’s in a Russian bank (or could be transferred elsewhere). Somebody in Russia has to hold the hot potato, unless a reserve situation develops. They should look at barter as more secure than any foreign currency. Or gold.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  Eighthman
Reserve currencies have requirements that only the US meets. China fails on 7 of 8 requirements.
Russia is not remotely close either.
And China would not want to be the global reserve currency even if it could.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
European gas buyer don’t deal directly with the Russian central bank. Instead, they have to open accounts in Russian commercial banks, where they deposit Euros and get Rubles back, which they can then pay for gas with.
While first order, the difference may seem just a technicality; it does mean those banks are free to obtain the necessary Rubles from other sources than their central bank. Which puts the Ruble on a much more solid footing, since non-European-gas-buyer Ruble holders, can now be more confident about being able to get rid of their Rubles at a decent exchange rate. After all, those banks need a lot of Rubles, on a regular basis, to serve the European gas trade.
This second order effect, does effectively bolster the value of the Ruble, improving Russia’s ability to pay for needed imports even without SWIFT/USD access. Since there is no longer as much risk associated with accepting it in exchange for goods. I suppose you can say it’s a bit of a Bretton Woodsian hack: Using gas-sale exchange rates to (somewhat) effectively peg the Ruble to the Euro. At a time when the Ruble would otherwise be a riskier proposition to accept.
pimaCanyon
pimaCanyon
2 years ago
great post! thank you.

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