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Thought Police Target the Liability Protections of Twitter and Facebook

What is Section 230?

Section 230 defines tech companies as private platforms rather than publishers. 

The law also shields social media companies from being held liable for what their users post. 

Misinformation Police

Please consider Bill Would Strip Social Media of Protections for Health Misinformation

“Earlier this year, I called on Facebook and Twitter to remove accounts that are responsible for producing the majority of misinformation about the coronavirus, but we need a long-term solution,” she said in a statement. “This legislation will hold online platforms accountable for the spread of health-related misinformation.”

President Biden said last week that Facebook and other companies were “killing people” by serving as platforms for misinformation about the Covid-19 vaccine. He later clarified his comments by saying that he wasn’t accusing Facebook of killing people, but that he instead wanted the company to “do something about the misinformation, the outrageous information about the vaccine.”

Republicans and Democrats Hate Section 230

Both Republicans and Democrats want to repeal or replace section 230. It might seem with both sides in agreement that it would be easy to kill.

However, Democrats want more thought police while Republicans believe section 230 is an attack on freedom of speech.

The Texas Tribune notes it will be Extremely Tough to Change 230.

David A. Anderson, a retired law professor at the University of Texas School of Law with expertise in mass communication law, told The Texas Tribune that thanks to Section 230, social media companies don’t have any legal responsibility to moderate content, even conspiracy theories, nor are they required to be “politically neutral” under the law.

“Republicans and Democrats both want to repeal Section 230, but they want to replace it in diametrically opposed ways,” said Mark Lemley, a Stanford Law School professor. “Democrats want more content moderation targeting hate speech and misinformation. Republicans want to apply the First Amendment to social media sites even if they are private actors.”

In October, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz opened a Senate Commerce Committee hearing with Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, Google CEO Sundar Pichai and Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey by attacking them as enemies of the First Amendment and free speech.

“The three witnesses we have before the committee today collectively pose the single biggest threat to free speech in America and the greatest threat we have to free and fair elections,” Cruz said. “Of the three players before us, Twitter’s conduct has by far been the most egregious.”

In fact, the basic legal rights of private media corporations allow them to remove content or user accounts. Section 230 only goes an extra step to protect such companies from lawsuits over what their users post, according to experts. For example, if user accounts on Twitter had advocated violence at the Capitol and Section 230 hadn’t been in place, the platform could have been held legally liable, Anderson said.

Simply repealing Section 230 would not be viable because it “would probably spell the end of most social media sites,” Anderson said. And changing the law could get very complicated, he said, because the benefits and drawbacks of communication on social media remain so intertwined.

Trump Sues Big Tech, What’s It Really About?

On July 9 I commented Trump Sues Big Tech, What’s It Really About?

First Amendment attorney Floyd Abrams, a constitutional expert and author of “Soul of the First Amendment” called Mr. Trump’s suits against the three platforms “irredeemably frivolous” and that Section 230 of the Communications Act provides social-media outlets with more protection than the First Amendment requires. 

The First Amendment protects individuals from government censorship. It says nothing about the rights of governments or politicians to say whatever they want on private businesses or private forums. 

There is no infringement of free speech. 

What’s It Really About?

  • Trump’s lawsuit has nothing to do with the Constitution. Rather, it has everything to do with the Court of Public Opinion.
  • Blocked from Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, Trump is no longer in the limelight. He desperately wants back in.
  • Without access to social media, especially with mainstream media ignoring him almost totally, Trump’s fundraising ability is crippled.

Constitutionally, his lawsuit is frivolous, But in the Court of Public Opinion his lawsuit is anything but frivolous. 

How About Doing Nothing?

With the thought police demanding more restrictions and Trumpians demanding the removal of all restrictions, consider the possibility the law is right where it should be.

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tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
The Section 230 argument rests on the idea that the Social Media companies are neutral platforms that do not create or edit content, ie, they are not newspapers.  If that were the case then Section 230 makes a lot of sense.  But we know that they DO edit the content, and not a little but a lot.  They are therefore shaping narratives and the idea of Section 230 already doesn’t apply. 
Now, after the explosive statements by Jen Psaki last week, that the US Government is FLAGGING “misinformation” (the 1st Amendment exists precisely because no one can say what is misinformation essentially), and the idea that these are private companies and can do whatever they want is right out the window.  Psaki outright admitted that the Government is now actively engaged in Censoring information, Censoring news, by pressuring social media companies to delete information.   This is the biggest story of my lifetime (50+ years) and hardly anyone even recognizes it!
Klobuchar’s bill is a ludicrous nothing by  a ludicrous person (she is one of my Senators) that gets everything completely wrong.  What must happen, is not legislation to make these companies censor MORE, but not to censor AT ALL, except for those ways in which censoring is already compatible with the 1st Amendment.  In other words Congress must apply the 1st Amendment to private companies engaged in the “Public Square”.   Failing that, the 3 companies need to be shut down, their shareholders zeroed out and their owners and employees enjoined from ever participating in an internet-based business in the future, just as happens with miscreants who run afoul of SEC regulation of securities markets.  The Public Square (the avenues that information and discourse flow through the populace) is even more important than the Capital Markets.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
private businesses or private forums?
They’re not that private. A lot less private than your toothbrush or even your car (which operate on public roads).
You can only see them on internet infrastructure, and the word forum implies something not at all private.
It’s a little disingenuous to think repeating the word private focuses on the core issue.
The censorship and control as well as their influence of/on the public & political space is obviously a huge issue.
It’s always an issue if a single party exerts too much control …
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Related article:
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Can the Biden Administration Censor the Internet Through Private Companies?
Ethan Yang
– July 20, 2021
Misinformation has become one of the most abused words in contemporary dialogue. Any reasonable person should immediately raise red flags when someone shows concern to regulate “misinformation” as they are likely referring to simple narratives and content that they don’t like (my emphasis).  This is why we should all be extremely concerned about the recent sentiments espoused by the Biden Administration to not only focus on misinformation but police it.
In particular, Press Secretary Jen Psaki stated that private companies like Facebook should do more to shut down “misinformation.” Not only does that risk opening up a slippery slope to even greater discretion for censorship down the line, but it raises potential constitutional questions and is by no means an appropriate area of intervention for the government.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
The democrats want to censor free speech. They claim a lot of things are settled science, when in reality they just don’t people to read a viewpoint that doesn’t benefit them.
amigator
amigator
4 years ago
The mere fact that we are worried about Facebook says a lot of about how far we have come.
paperboy
paperboy
4 years ago
The  problem with anti-vaxers is they have no financial “skin in the game” (Taleb). If they are right they win, wrong and we lose. How about they sign a declaration that if they come down with covid they will refuse all treatment? saves our money, makes care available to those trying, and makes them put their health where their mouth is
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  paperboy
The same thing is true with many conditions. For example I take care of myself and am not obese so why should I pay for those who don’t take care of themselves and are obese. Perhaps you have a condition that you have for something that’s your own fault so why should I pay for you? 
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  paperboy
All i need is access to Ivermectin. I can pay for the prescription.
“Rebecca Weisser:
“It is to Australia’s credit that one of the most effective treatments was identified at Monash University along with the Doherty Institute which showed that ivermectin kills the Sars-CoV-2 virus within 48 hours. Yet to our national shame, the researchers have been starved of resources and the discovery ignored.
Not so in Indonesia where an enterprising philanthropist, Haryoseno, leapt into action and made ivermectin available to the masses for free or at low cost. As a result, Indonesia has had an extremely low Covid mortality rate. That is until the Ministry of Health decided, in line with the WHO’s recommendation, that ivermectin would only be used in a clinical trial. Haryoseno has been threatened with a fine and a ten-year
jail sentence and the supply of ivermectin has dried up. Result? Deaths per million have increased five-fold since withdrawal of ivermectin on 12 June.”
The U.S. public health authorities, blocked doctors from treating Covid-19 on an outpatient basis, with HCQ, Ivermectin, or anything else, at the cost of numerous unnecessary hospitalizations and deaths in the U.S. Haryoseno saved a lot of lives in Indonesia and was punished for it. You really aught to pay attention to the huge crime against humanity that has been going on for close to a year and a half.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  paperboy
The solution is simple enough. We need to just return to just go back to the old status quo. There is no reason for government to continue to pay for diagnosis and treatment for Covid, any more than they pay for diagnosis and treatment of any other disease.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
I’m unsure how your reply addresses paperboy’s uninformed post.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
I agree that his post was entirely wrong. We don’t need to treat anti-vaxers any differently than vaxers, and it would be totally inappropriate to do so. People in American have the right to make lots of choices that may affect their health in various ways. They can choose to smoke. They can choose to eat bacon and eggs every day. They can choose to exercise daily. They can drink soda every day. They can live as a vegetarian or vegan, or eat a paleo diet, or a mediterranean diet. Some of these may affect their health positively, and others negatively, and still others may have no effect at all. In the end, if they choose poorly, their health is poor, and their medical expenses are high, and that’s the way it is, and the cost is theirs.
Covid should be treated the same way as everything else. People can get the vaccine, or not. People can wear masks, or not. People can social distance, or not. Frankly, I don’t care. But, in the end, it should be treated like everything else. Make your choice, but bear the cost of whatever you choose.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Covid should be treated the same way as everything else. People can get the vaccine, or not. People can wear masks, or not. People can social distance, or not. Frankly, I don’t care. But, in the end, it should be treated like everything else. Make your choice, but bear the cost of whatever you choose.
I can agree with that!  You pays your money, you takes your chances.  I am not your keeper and I don’t give a crap what you do or why you do it unless it directly and personally affects me.  And I do not accept that someone not getting any vaccine falls into the potentially damaging to me.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Congress needs to let natural selection cull the stupids. If Facebook can make it happen, empower them to do so. It’s way past time for a purge.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Ever the comedian.
To block Ivermectin, a life saving therapy, is not natural selection, it is purposeful medical malpractice by the public health authorities. The public health agencies should be ones purged.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
We could do without the crazies, for that matter….
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Eric Clapton: “I took the first jab of AZ [AstraZeneca] and straight away had severe reactions which lasted ten days, I recovered eventually and was told it would be twelve weeks before the second one.
About six weeks later I was offered and took the second AZ shot, but with a little more knowledge of the dangers. Needless to say the reactions were disastrous, my hands and feet were either frozen, numb, or burning, and pretty much useless for two weeks, I feared I would never play again, (I suffer with peripheral neuropathy and should never have gone near the needle). But the propaganda said the vaccine was safe for everyone.”
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
That was Eric Clapton I believe, not Cat Stevens.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Sorry. Corrected.
Corvinus
Corvinus
4 years ago
The socials show a clear deference to and preference for a certain political party – that is fine. What isn’t fine is backdoor dealings working in collusion with political actors in the current Administration to suppress speech and spread propaganda of any sort. At that point they become an arm of the government in my view. It’s naive to just say “They’re a private business so there’s no infringement of speech” – and mind you I consider myself as somewhere between liberatarian and anarcho-capitalist in my views.
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
Reply to  Corvinus
This is exactly right.  There is legal precedent that when state actors use a 3rd party to perform what are essentially Constitutionally prohibited activities (the First Amendment applies to government enforcement, or prevention thereof) that the 3rd party is now an arm of the state.  As a result, the law would consider that 3rd party the same as the government, and thereby the same Constitutional principles apply.
This is easy to follow, given that the government would just find (or create) numerous private sector organizations that could carry out their unconstitutional diktats for them if this weren’t the case.
As a current example, Fauci’s funding of a 3rd party “health organization” to carry out illegal gain of function research in China is not legal.  It doesn’t matter that the NIH isn’t directly funding it; it matters that the government is ultimately behind it.
It’s the same with free speech. 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
As you said it is a well-established precedent and will hold up very well in court especially after the comments of Jen Psaki.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
You could just take away their power to target adds and newsfeeds to the individual. That would  break the self-reinforcement cycle closing people within their own bubble. It will probably happen from what I hear. Both sides accuse the platforms of doing exactly that and so in principle they would be in agreement to take that power away from the platforms. 
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
The FDA/NIH/CDC put out officially sanctioned misinformation.
Simply put, the government wants a monopoly on misinformation. Any expert who has not parroted the official narrative, has been smeared. This includes Dr Mike Yeadon, formerly a Vice President and Chief Science Officer at Pfizer. Yeadon had to threaten to sue the BBC, to get them to retract something false they said about him.
I was watching Dr. Chris Martinson’s latest Peak Prosperity Youtube and he couldn’t say the word Ivermectin, his co-host asking him, does it begin with the letter i, as Martinson broached the subject.
Something very rotten to the core is going on within the public health agencies.
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
However I think that social media could be attacked if the way they are working let offenders who use it easily safe from proceedings.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
4 years ago
Has anyone thought about the economic impact of eliminating socials? Look at the market caps and revenue streams. Same thing applies to people wishing death on pro sports for the kneeling. Not sure everyone would like the flip side of this coin.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
It won’t happen anyway. It will evolve, hopefully in some way that does correct some of the negatives. Social media is here to stay, even though I might not like it . I keep hoping for that Web 3.0 that fixes some of the really bad things about Web 2.0.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Simply repealing Section 230 would not be viable because it “would probably spell the end of most social media sites,” Anderson said.
Works for me.
As much as people love social media, it often does harm. It promotes the worst kind of crowd behavior, something that goes right over the head of nearly everyone. It allows society to be run by the court of public opinion, which is what real jurisprudence is supposed to protect us from.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
“The law also shields social media companies from being held liable for what their users post.”
There shouldn’t be any protection for anonymous posts in my opinion. If the poster can be identified, fair enough, protect the social media company. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
And how do you identify people’s true identities Champ?  FF/Google/Apple, etc. don’t have enough of our info, so let’s also give them our driver licenses (for example) to verify who we are?
But the major problem with real ID’s on the net is that it limits people’s free speech.  If your employer, spouse or the government can easily identify who you are, then they can take action against you that might range from firing you because they disagree with your politics in the case of an employer to someone looking up your real address and harassing/stalking you.
Be careful what you wish, especially when you clearly don’t have a clue about possible unintended consequences.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Everyone could have a unique ID they can use when they open an account, I’m sure someone can figure out a way. I didn’t suggest publishing addresses or even everything that’s stored to ID a person. Government already have plenty of info about me, passport, diving licence, National  insurance number etc, one more won’t make a difference.
People will be a bit more careful before they troll, abuse people or whatever if they could be identified. Currently people are free to send the modern day equivalent of anonymous poison pen letters to as many people they fancy with no come back. 
Free speech is a distraction, if an employer fires you for different politics take them to an employment tribunal for unfair dismissal. Why would you say anything to someone on the web that you wouldn’t say to them face to face? 
We’re already seeing the unintended consequences of a free for all on the internet. I’m very relaxed about an environment in which it’s reined in a bit, clearly you’re not, 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
You have to still be in high school or incredibly naive to write what you just did!
Government knowing who you are does what for FB/Google/Apple?  Are you suggesting that a government agency should act as moderators for social media?
Why would you say anything to someone on the web that you wouldn’t say to them face to face? 
Because you want to keep your job, pay your mortgage, pay your bills and feed your family?
An employer can fire you for any or no reason.  It’s up to YOU to prove that they did it for an illegal reason and the illegal reasons are relatively few and awfully difficult to prove.  It’s up to you to pay a lawyer to take your case and prosecute it and few people have the money to do that.  People HAVE been fired (stories pop up on the net from time to time) because they disagreed with the politics of the boss/management (say Trump supporter vs. non-Trump supporter) or are discovered to not be the correct religion, for example.
In the police blotter section in my local paper, it is not uncommon to read stories of people who got their houses egged, car tires slashed, car keyed or other varied harrashments.  If I have your name and city where you live, I can look you up on Google or on of the people search apps and have a good chance of finding your home address.  There are no shortage of people who might decide to undertake a bit of vigilante justice because you made them upset with what you posted somewhere.
Years ago, I posted some stuff that upset a particular person.  The ID service I used allowed others to “follow” you and see where/what you were posting.  It couldn’t be turned off.  This person followed me around the web under the ID I was using for months, popping up and harassing me.  I finally just killed the ID to get rid of him.  Had I been using my real name, I would not have been able to do that and if he lived near me, he might have took it upon himself to come visit me in the dead of the night.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Maybe therefore you’d be be more polite and careful over what you post. 
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Well it seems the UK Parliament agree with you for now and intend to combat online abuse by other means. 

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