There is only one way to stop Brexit and it requires three things.
- Parliament has to make a proposal
- Theresa May has to agree to go along with it
- The EU has to agree to go along with it
Voting down a no-deal Brexit is completely meaningless. The default legal position is that the UK will no longer be in the EU as of April 12 unless all three of those happen, or if May’s deal is approved.
Vote Are In – MPs Reject All Options
Please note MPs Reject All Alternative Brexit Options
Oliver Letwin, the veteran Conservative MP who led the process which allowed backbenchers to seize control of the order paper to hold a series of indicative votes, said the results were “disappointing” but he hoped a new round of votes would be held on Monday.
The Speaker, John Bercow, said he would allow this to take place, prompting shouts of protests from many MPs.
The Brexit secretary, Stephen Barclay, said the results strengthened the government’s view that Theresa May’s Brexit deal was the best and only way forward.
Groundhog Day Continues
Today, Commons Speaker John Bercow allowed votes on numerous unicorns that May will not allow nor will the EU accept.
- B – John Baron’s – No deal – Backed by Conservative MPs John Baron, David Amess, Martin Vickers and Stephen Metcalfe, the motion proposes leaving the European Union without a deal on April 12: Lost 400-160
- D – Nick Boles’s – common market 2.0: Lost 283-188
- H – George Eustice’s – Efta and EEA: Lost 377-65
- J – Ken Clarke’s – Customs union: Lost 272-264
- K – Labour’s – Customs union and alignment with single market: Lost 307-237
- L – Joanna Cherry’s – Revocation to avoid no deal: Lost 293-184
- M – Dame Margaret Beckett’s – Confirmatory public vote: Lost 295-268
- O – Marcus Fysh’s – Contingent preferential arrangements – A group of Conservative MPs, including Marcus Fysh, Steve Baker and Priti Patel, have signed a motion that calls for the government to seek to agree preferential trade arrangements with the EU, in case the UK is unable to implement a withdrawal agreement with the bloc: Lost 442-139
Irony and Humor
The irony in this madness is that the longer Remainer fools cling to absurd ideas about stopping Brexit, the more likely a no-deal Brexit happens.
Humorously, option O is guaranteed to happen in the event of no deal, yet MP could not even support that.
Remainer’s Choice
DUP said today it will not back May’s deal.
If enough Tories hold firm, Remainers might be forced into accepting May’s deal or having a no-Deal Brexit.
One side or another is highly likely to cave in. If not, no-deal is likely.
Delusional Remainers
Remainers hoping for a referendum or an outright revocation are delusional. Revocation was clobbered and so was the public vote.
No-deal lost 400-160.
So what?
That is the default position unless points 1-3 above all apply.
The choice remains: No-Deal or May’s Deal. If delusional Remainers, Tories, and DUP all stick to their positions, then no-deal wins by default.
I repeat: Voting down a no-deal Brexit is completely meaningless. The default legal position is that the UK will no longer be in the EU as of April 12 unless all three of those happen, or if May’s deal is approved.
I expect the latter, with a hard-line Brexiter in charge of subsequent negotiations.
Since DUP did not blink, Labour MPs are highly likely to.
Labour MPs will not do so in a losing cause, but if it gets close and they are sure the deal will pass, the MPs from Leave constituencies will vote for May’s deal rather than accept no-deal.
Those who do will have served their constituencies well. Labour will splinter. Corbyn will take the blame.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
The EU has become a social economic cesspool, I sincerely hope the Brits find a ladder to climb out of this stinking mess and that other countries follow suit making this monster to implode from within…..preferably WITHOUT eternal pensions for all EU freeloaders and their political appointees…..
“If delusional Remainers, Tories, and DUP all stick to their positions, then no-deal wins by default.”
There is another possibility that worries me: A strategy to delay, delay, delay. As we have seen, the only thing that Parliament, May, and the EU have been willing to agree on is to delay Brexit.
Interesting take on Brexit by a brit:
“Does anyone outside of the UK and the gold bug blogosphere even give a shit?”
Yes, the EU and China for starters. In the US, Probably not – but it’s an ignorant position.
This could be the beginning of the breakup of the entire EU with global consequences
A hard brexit means instant and severe European recession with global consequences
This will likely drive Italy further into the hands of China, also with global repercussions
Those are for starters. So feel free to be ignorant. But yes, ignorance is the default position in the US.
At least the EU, UK, Japan, etc try to understand the US. I suspect
most EU high-schoolers could find Illinois on a map while realizing its crazy to be here.
I doubt if the average US citizens could find Spain on a globe if Spain and France were mislabeled.
“A hard brexit means instant and severe European recession with global consequences.”
Europe is already descending into a recession and other messy problems; a no-deal Brexit might be just what the doctor ordered to put the blame elsewhere. I would not be surprised if one of the major EU countries responds ‘par non’ to any deal May brings back to Brussels.
The EU negotiators are paying with fire. There must be some wiser heads around in the EU hierarchy that can see the turmoil which will eventuate in the hard headed tactics.
The anglos will close ranks after a hard brexit and leave the EU with their insane regulatory structure to implode.
If there are severe finically consequences in the ROW, it will be even harder in Europe
I appreciate your serious response to my a$$hole comment. I still don’t buy it, but thank you.
Does anyone outside of the UK and the gold bug blog-osphere even give a shit?
The only thing that is reasonably likely is that a hard-brexit supporter would indeed win if May resigns.
Not guaranteed. This puts pressure on both Tories and Labour to back May’s deal.
I’d still prefer no brexit to that Churchillian warmonger.
Sorry to be dense, but who do you mean? All I see on the world stage are Chamberlainians.
If it was meant to be Boris, despite his job audition new haircut, his (briefly) saying he (and Jacob Rees-Mogg) would vote for May’s disastrous deal, pretty much knocks him out of contention (or should).
One of the benefits of no-deal would be that most Remainers would not want to be head of an EU-free nation state.
Churchill’s career started long before Munich. He was First Lord of the Admiralty at the start of WWI when Britain was in its hey day.
He was the only Cabinet member to love WWI, telling his wife it was like “living history” months after the start and thousands of Brits had already been killed while other like my granddad were eating food in the trenches at night so as not to see the maggots.
He backed the 1919 starvation blockade of Germany to force them to tear up Woodrow Wilson’s 14-points plan under which they laid down arms. The result was the dismemberment of Germany under the Treaty of Versailles resulting in Weimar, and eventually giving rise to the Nazis.
Munich was about Czechoslovakia, an artificial state that no longer exists and which was created by Versailles. Germany did NOT cause it to break up and when it did, several surrounding nations grabbed chunks of it, including the military dictatorship of Poland.
Chamberlain’s mistake was not appeasing Germany but in appeasing backbencher Churchill by issuing a war guarantee to Poland – which had been negotiating with Germany for easier German transit though the Danzig corridor (90% German at the time) to east Prussia.
Colonel Beck accepted the war guarantee and Poland got the Katyn Forrest Massacre and four decades of Soviet communist rule. As it was the invasion of Poland that started WWII, the British LOST WWII and the rest of their Empire during the ensuing decades.
Churchill was a failure. His lifelong goal was preserving and enhancing the Empire (through war). No one bore more responsibility for its demise than he.
Off topic but Churchill was also Chancellor of the Exchequer in 1925…
“The default legal position is that the UK will no longer be in the EU as of April 12”
According to some, it’s still March 29. The EU only said it was conditional May’s deal passing while the UK parliament never actually changed the statutory law.
May said today that she would resign before the next set of negotiations take place. She also said she would not leave until she delivered Brexit.
There is only way to do both of these and that is to deliver No Deal Brexit with no further negotiations.
Eurointellignce comments tonight are likely to be amusing. I will post them whether they agree with me or not.
Avid Remainer
You seriously need to get a grip on reality.
I am not listening to nut jobs. You are.
Eurointelligence is hugely Pro-EU
I beat them to similar comments every day.
“By the way what happened to your previous piece?” I don’t know what you mean.
I deleted some stubs, but I still see my post.
My apologies.
By the way what happened to your previous piece?
Oh Mish, Ken Clarke’s proposal received the largest number of votes and significantly more than May’s solution. Corbyn’s solution received the next highest and also more than May. Ken Clarke voted with Labour. Those proposals with the least votes will be eliminated from the discussions to take place on Monday. Then another bout of consensus building will take place. There will be a majority for some sort of Labour/Clarke hybrid. You have to stop listening to the nut job Brexiteers. If you want a deeper understanding of what is happening in the UK Parliament at the moment read John Crace’s sketch in the current edition of the Guardian. It is supposed to be satire but is so close to the truth it hurts. May’s deal is dead.