Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Donald Trump says the Barbed-Wire Border Barrier Installed by U.S. Troops at the Texas Border is a ‘beautiful sight’.
The soldiers worked with U.S. Customs and Border Patrol officers to lay about 1,000 feet of fencing along the river, the Defense Department said. The makeshift barrier was installed underneath the McAllen-Hidalgo International Bridge, which crosses into Mexico. The overpass is in the small town of Hidalgo, about 250 miles south of San Antonio.
“I saw that beautiful barbed wire going up,” Trump said at a Saturday campaign rally in Montana. “Beautiful sight.”
A Border Patrol spokesman said in an email to the New York Post the fencing was part of “necessary preparations” for the caravans.
Roughly 900 troops have reached the U.S.-Mexico border since the Trump administration began the deployment Oct. 26. The president vowed the forces would block the caravans, which contain thousands of migrants, from entering the U.S.
After saying about 5,000 active-duty troops would be deployed as part of Operation Faithful Patriot, Trump on Wednesday boosted the number from 10,000 to 15,000.
A separate contingent of about 2,100 National Guard troops had already been deployed to work with Border Patrol in anticipation of the caravans, which have about 7,000 people total, according to the Defense Department.
Caravan Location
The above image is from a MarketWatch update on the Caravan Location.
MarketWatch reports “As many as 20,000 migrants are kidnapped every year by criminal gangs who are trying to collect ransom, according to the human-rights group Amnesty International. And as many as six in 10 migrant women and girls are raped during their journey, the group says.”
One can easily understand why the migrants would want to leave Honduras.
Let’s assume that the “six in 10” rape statistic by Amnesty International is correct. That percentage suggests there is a significant number of rapist criminals in the group hoping to reach the US.
Even if you view the barbed wire fence as a necessity, does necessity constitute a thing of beauty?
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
I say invade Mexico and slowly move the border south until the military kills the drug lords, rapists and murders. If you want to control this problem playing defense wont work.
If we push the border to where the migrants were on Oct 28th, the border would be a lot shorter and the wall construction costs would be much lower.
Mish, after commenting on the POTUS use of adjectives, you have learned nothing about his mannerisms and speech since he entered politics. Maybe concentrate on his accomplishments rather than the speech. The barbed wire is beautiful, but a wall with a big beautiful door for legal immigration would be more beautiful. Move out of Illinois where the foo, air and water are not so politically polluted. Oh, by the way, how many of these intruders are moving to your neighborhood?
There are many rapists in that Caravan based on the 6-in-10 women being raped along the way to USA and it is INHUMANE the democrats want to continue policies of luring children and women to try to come to USA to be abused along the way including rapes and even murder.
US should STOP accepting asylum requests at the border, at ports of entry and inside USA since all of these migrants are coming through a SAFE enough country Mexico where they could have asked for asylum and which even offered them asylum and jobs in the 2 southernmost Mexican states but the migrants turned this down.
USA should have a policy of NOT accepting asylum claims and instead fly these migrants including single men and single women and families straight back to Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador etc.
For single mothers among the group they should be flown straight back to Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador etc. but given a place to stay and some training to get a job funded by US foreign aid.
For kids coming alone to USA they should be flown straight back to Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador etc. but given a place to stay at a children’s home or orphanage funded by US foreign aid until they can return to their families or until they graduate from school if they are orphans.
The Democrat policy of LURING these Caravans full of kids and single mothers come to USA is an INHUMANE policy and the pull factor to come to USA needs to be REMOVED by returning everyone.
“There are many rapists in that Caravan based on the 6-in-10 women being raped along the way to USA and it is INHUMANE the democrats want to continue policies of luring children and women to try to come to USA to be abused along the way including rapes and even murder.”
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Man, you’re an easy mark…….. Jews eat babys to, I presume. Someone wrote a “report” stating that, after all…
Here’s a hint: The only rapes and atrocities that ever took place, anywhere in the world, are the ones you observed personally. Ones where a proper indictment and trial proved them to have taken place beyond a reasonable doubt, just about may have taken place.
Everything else is nothing but propaganda. Once you stop demanding incontrovertible proof before believing in all manners of nonsensical accusations, you become no more than a raging bull, easily led around by whomever has preferential access to a red handkerchief.
Stuki, your statement is anti-women and I think you should seriously reconsider your misogynist views.
When women REPORT getting raped while traveling to USA it is a totally different thing than some crazy lunatic tinfoil-hat claims about some religion eating babies.
You simply do NOT want to discuss facts therefore you make a sad mockery of the situation and try to sabotage the discussion.
It seems US army is INCOMPETENT compared to Hungary’s army.
Hungary put up high fences topped up with barbed wire in a few weeks in 2015 to stop the Angela Merkel invited rush of millions of migrants from coming to Hungary at all.
Hungary first built this fencing topped with barbed wire on their border with Serbia and when the flow of migrants started to go through Slovenia to Austria Hungary built these high fences topped with barbed wire to their border with Slovenia to make sure the migrants stay out of Hungary.
Later Hungary added second fence topped with barbed wire in all places so if one climbs over one set of fence topped with barbed wire they have still another fence to go and will be caught by Hungarian Army and either thrown back to Serbia or Slovenia or put into DETENTION until their asylum application has been decided.
Most asylum applications are REJECTED and since Hungary has NO welfare and NO free apartments for migrants (like Germany and Sweden have) even those migrants getting asylum GET NOTHING.
Why is US army so INCOMPETENT that they are simply putting little bit of barbed wire on the ground in a few places as a photo-op?
Why is US army NOT building high fences topped with barbed wire like Hungary did?
Hungary is much more of a united country, they can organize, make fast decisions, and do these things fast. America is a divided dysfunctional country that can decide on nothing. Hungary is also not full of indoctrinated SJW liberals like America is.
If Trump can order US army to the border to put some barbed wire on the ground then Trump can order US army to build high fences topped with barbed wire on the border.
Somebody is being INCOMPETENT here since that barbed wire on the ground took maybe 15-30 minutes to put there.
Either Mattis is SABOTAGING Trump by putting only minimum effort into this with little bit of flimsy barbed wire on the ground as a photo-op.
OR
The US army commanders below Mattis are INCOMPETENT and are putting only minimum effort into this with little bit of flimsy barbed wire on the ground as a photo-op.
Trump needs to call Mattis into his office and tell Mattis that the army will be making 12 hour days on the border and building fences topped with barbed wire and Mattis needs to make this happen.
If Mattis is either INCOMPETENT and unable to achieve this or simply refuses to do what Hungary did based on Mattis own ideology then Trump needs to FIRE him.
Has nothing to do with incompetence. This is obviously intentional, has been for at least 30 years.
Military is not INCOMPETENT,,, they follow orders..
no telling who decided, ,, could be a bunch of Obama leftovers Lawyers in the State dept, maybe the same bunch that write rules of engagement,, really, rules on how to engage the enemy!!!… Personally I’d recommend 50cals, claymores, snipers, etc…
The migrants walking on Hungary were a transient, one-off, wave. Unprepared.
Look into what Israel has had to on the Gaza border, for a scenario more similar to dealing with entrenched, permanent, well funded, drug and people smugglers along the US-Mexican border. Hint: It takes a lot more than a cheap fence….
And now, despite waves of massively broadening the scope of what was already at the outset much more involved than the cheap fence Trump is waving the price tag of, the Israelis are at it again: Having to rebuild the entire length of the wall, several meters deep, along with some of the most sophisticated seismic sensors ever designed and deployed anywhere, hoping to detect and deter tunneling….
Very different than the one-time event, involving unprepared destitutes, that the Hungarians faced.
The problem, as Milton Friedman stated long ago, is that free benefits and open borders are incompatible. There is no magic solution.
Nassim Taleb also made a very good point with immigration in the world today. He said open borders would only make sense if there was a EQUAL flow of people immigrating both ways. There are millions of migrants coming from latin american to the USA and millions coming from Africa to Europe. But there are very few going the other direction. Its mostly a one way flow.
There weren’t exactly an equal flow of Navajos moving east across the Atlantic, compensating for the westward flow of Europeans back in the civilized era, either…..
Nor an equal number of Texans moving into New Orleans during Katrina….
Nor an equal flow moving into Bikini, as the natives were being evacuated before the nuking started…
Not really sure the lack of enough West Germans risking life and limb by jumping the Berlin Wall backwards, to compensate for East Germans trying to cross into the West; was really proof that the Wall was a good thing, either…
The whole reason people move in the first place, is that the place they move away from, sucks worse than the place they are moving into. It’s kind of naive to believe there will ever be an equal number moving TOWARDS the suckier place.
Suffrage Debate, N.Y. Constitutional Convention of 1821
Chancellor James Kent:
By the report before us, we propose to annihilate, at one stroke, all those property distinctions and to bow before the idol of universal suffrage. That extreme democratic principle, when applied to the legislative and executive departments of government, has been regarded with terror, by the wise men of every age, because in every European republic, ancient and modern, in which it has been tried, it has terminated disastrously, and been productive of corruption, injustice, violence, and tyranny.
The tendency of universal suffrage, is to jeopardize the rights of property, and the principles of liberty. There is a constant tendency in human society, and the history of every age proves it; there is a tendency in the poor to covet and to share the plunder of the rich; in the debtor to relax or avoid the obligation of contracts; in the majority to tyrannize over the minority, and trample down their rights; in the indolent and the profligate, to cast the whole burthens of society upon the industrious and the virtuous; and there is a tendency in ambitious and wicked men, to inftame these combustible materials. It requires a vigilant government, and a firm administration of justice, to counteract that tendency. Thou shalt not covet; thou shalt not steal; are divine injunctions induced by this miserable depravity of our nature.
The notion that every man that works a day on the road, or serves an idle hour in the militia, is entitled as of right to an equal participation in the whole power of the government, is most unreasonable, and has no foundation in justice.
immigrant or emigrant
Both of these words come from the Latin migrare (“to move from one place to another”)
What is the problem if people move from place to place in search of better life ?
For people to move from one culture to another is not easy decision, the reason has to be extreme hardship. Why would some one go to start life on the bottom in another culture with another language and leave his roots and families and memories of his birth place.
In america you have 50 states, in some of the states taxes and laws are cumbersome and people live, vote with their feet for another place. Now why would you give new newcomer right to vote when they arrive to new place. How do you know he believe what you believe ?
all over the west you have problem because of:
welfare state
easy access to citizenship/ voting
warfare state
Solution is to remove this problems.
But many people say sorry nothing I can do to remove this problems because I need to blame myself, my past and present fellow citizen and my politicians.
I am going to blame immigrants, foreigner and I am going to ask for more government and more laws to stop this bad people.
This is the CLASSIC liberal diversion tactic, talking about “immigrant” and “illegal immigrant” in the same breathe. What is wrong with filling out the paperwork and going though the process to immigrate LEGALLY to the USA? When you travel, do you hire a coyote to evade border patrol and customs and sneak in? Or do you follow the law and go through customs and get your passport stamped?
Most people in the USA are in favor of a orderly LEGAL immigration process. The USA takes in a TON of LEGAL immigrants. In fact the USA population today is a higher % foreign born then its been for hundreds of years.
if you want small government and better life than you do not have passports and border checkpoints if you are not in the war.
not everyone should have right to citizenship, why should clintons, or bushes, or mckains… have right to citizenship they do not believe what I believe.
There are what 22 million undocumented migrants in the USA? That all broke the law and sneaked into the US illegally. That is more people then the entire population of New York State! More people then the entire nation of the Netherlands and Ireland combined! And with our ridiculous “birthright citizenship” law, every child of those 22 million who broke the law and sneaked in illegally, is automatically a citizen. Effing brilliant!
When I go to other countries, I don’t sneak in, I go though customs and have my passport stamped. And I obey their visa laws. I honestly do not understand for the life of me, why any American could possibly be against the idea of having better border control for a more orderly immigration process where less people sneak in?
Its because the democrats view them as additional democrat voters and thus can increase their power.
I agree, and they want to pander to hispanic voters to get their votes
Some people think that towering bird-whacking wind turbines are beautiful, and they are a good deal more obvious than a barbed wire fence along a border. Does Barry Obama’s house in Chicago have a wall around his yard? I wonder if Barry thinks his personal wall is beautiful .. or just necessary.
Open borders or tax-payer funded social benefits — one or the other. It is unsustainable to try to do both. Anyone who wants to let the caravan in is basically telling US Citizens that their Social Security and Medicare are going to vanish.
Don’t forget that Tony Rezko the convicted felon helped Obomination purchase his home with a well orchestrated transaction that saved him a ton of money on the house.
Everyone cheering open borders and wanting more immigration is telling that they want to destroy social security and medicare.
Illegal immigrants are a NEGATIVE for the US economy as a whole despite benefiting those employing illegal immigrants since they get cheaper workers.
Low wage legal immigrants are a NEGATIVE for the US economy as a whole despite benefiting those employing low wage legal immigrants since they get cheaper workers.
Immigration should be limited to people earning more than the US median wage and immigration should be only allowed temporarily if there is a shortage of workers from that profession earning more than the US median wage.
Long term shortage of workers from some well paid profession needs to be solved by educating more Americans to do that job.
The federal guarantee on student loans and the fact student loans are not dischargeable in a bankruptcy is leading to many Americans studying worthless college degrees where they have no chance of finding well paid work in the field and this leads to some professions not having enough educated workers.
There should be NO federal guarantee on student loans and student loans should be dischargeable in bankruptcy since this would lead to only those getting loans who have good prospects to get employed in a well paying job for their field of study leading to less students racking up huge student loan burdens studying worthless degrees.
One could still study that worthless degree if they had rich parents or if the colleges dropped the price for the worthless degrees.
Most students would choose productive degrees with good job prospects in well paying jobs and live happier lives instead of wasting their lives on worthless degrees and leftist indoctrination and racking up huge debt burdens that stop many people from starting families.
Mish,
There are 5 billion humans in the world. How many do you think have the “right” to come to America? Either by legal or illegal methods?
How many should get full medical, education, housing, benefits once they get here? Either by legal or illegals methods?
How bankrupt should cities/counties/states/countries be trying to take care of them? How high should your taxes go?
If your answer is nothing less than 100% you are Nazi according to the left.
And as a FYI – If you are an illegal American in Mexico, Guatemala or Honduras – you will be immediately jailed, immediately fined and then immediately deported. You will receive no benefits and you will never be allowed to vote in any election.
How come they are not racists?
why do you think that all 5 billion will come?
“How many should get full medical, education, housing, benefits once they get here? Either by legal or illegals methods?”
none should get all those socialist programs should be eliminated.
How high should your taxes go?
they should be maximum 10%
Serious question for you, 2banana: why do you think we’ve allowed our border to become a sieve for decades? Bear in mind that BOTH parties clearly support this, regardless of rhetoric.
This is a very easy question, curious if you can answer it honestly.
Put Americans in prison for employing illegals and the problem goes away.
Of course, that’s precisely why nobody goes after employers. There’s money to be made from labor arbitrage.
Edit- it’s also disheartening to see all the lengthy posts that followed this one, engaging in all sorts of mental gymnastics to ignore the obvious financial motives involved. This is a big part of why America is going down, we’re a nation of people who desperately try to ignore the reality right in front of us.
People employing illegal immigrants should get 1 million dollar fine per illegal immigrant they employ and there should be regular inspections, this would remove the jobs magnet.
Trump PROMISED mandatory E-verify for new employees and existing employees before the 2016 election but has since stopped talking about this because he is seemingly being handled and controlled by Koch Brothers owned operatives VP Mike Pence (massive funding from Koch Brothers through his political career) and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney (massive funding from Koch Brothers through his political career).
These two geniuses also told Trump to sign the Omnibus budget monstrosity that gave Democrats everything they wanted but that gave NO funds for the Trump wall.
These two geniuses thought tax cuts would be a winning election issue (thank God Trump did not listen to them on that).
Koch Brothers need to be banished, removed and shunned from all Republican circles and all those getting funds from Koch Brothers need to be voted out since Koch Brothers want amnesty and open borders more than Obama and Clinton combined.
Republicans have been sneakily trying to give out amnesty and allowing continuation of open borders BECAUSE they wanted funds from Koch Brothers.
If anybody but Trump would have gotten elected president in 2016 from Republicans they would have been owned by Koch Brothers.
Sadly Trump chose as his VP Mike Pence who is controlled and owned by Koch Brothers.
Mike Pence needs to be sidelined from influence to Trump or then Mike Pence has to publicly attack and repudiate Koch Brothers and turn into a fierce advocate for a wall, for NO amnesty ever, STOP to H1B flows, STOP to birthright citizenship, STOP to allowing migrants claim asylum in USA etc.
Trump is a prick.