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Trump’s Big Announcement Is Half-Reciprocal Tariffs on the World

Factoring in value added taxes and other alleged manipulations, Trump announces Half-Reciprocal Tariffs with a minimum baseline of 10 percent.

Liberation Day Has Arrived

In a Rose Garden Celebration, Trump Unveils Reciprocal Tariffs

President Trump has declared April 2 “Liberation Day” for U.S. trade policy and is announcing details of a sweeping tariff plan this afternoon.

The president opened his remarks Wednesday by saying that his new tariff policies would would “make America wealthy again.” He said he would be announcing reciprocal tariffs on countries across the world. “It can’t get any simpler than that,” he said.

Later, Trump held up a chart with a list of countries, saying it was too windy to put it on an easel. He began to read off of the list, with the tariffs the countries impose on the United States, and then the tariff he said the U.S. would levy in response.

He said that the U.S. was going to be “charging a discounted reciprocal tariff” because the U.S. is kind. For China, the U.S. is levying a 34% tariff, then for Europe “we’re going to charge them 20%” and Japan 24%. He is going down the list of more than a dozen countries.

Kind Tariffs and a Great Transformation

Trump went down a list countries and claims the US will be kind on reciprocal tariffs, only charging US consumers half of what Trump alleges they charge us.

A “great transformation” is underway says Trump. He cited six trillion in investments that will pour into the US.

Now he is bragging about how well the US stock market will do.

The speech is still ongoing.

He repeats the lie that foreign nations will pay tariffs, not US consumers and businesses.

And he did not discuss how tariffs will increase prices.

Reciprocal Examples

▪China: 34%
▪European Union: 20%
▪South Korea: 25%
▪India: 26%
▪Vietnam: 46%
▪Taiwan: 32%
▪Japan: 24%
▪Thailand: 36%
▪Switzerland: 31%
▪Indonesia: 32%
▪Malaysia: 24%
▪Cambodia: 49%
▪United Kingdom: 10%

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Frosty
Frosty
1 year ago

As the economy slows, tax revenues will drop as well.

Farm exports will drop dramatically as Brazil, Argentina and Russia are planting every tillable acre in anticipation of new markets for their wheat, soybeans & corn. Foreign poultry, beef and pork will displace our farmers products.

Elections have consequences!

RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Frosty

Yes they do. The flood of illegal immigration has dropped dramatically. Corporations are dropping racist DEI policies. The person at the FDA who fraudulently approved Comirnaty, so Biden could mandate Covid shots, is gone.

Nezz
Nezz
1 year ago

What has happened since NAFTA, GATT and the Great Out-shoring?
American Manufacturing=Hollowed Out.
American Middle Class= Hollowed Out.
American Adolescent and Young adults= 100K Fentanyl/Drug deaths.
And many of the remaining jobs for young adults who formerly would have taken jobs that did not require degrees or a vocational education have been replaced by underpaid, illegal laborers.
Since the mid ’80’s, It has been a tsunami-sized wave of financial devastation for the once formidable Middle Class America.
And that wave has not ended.
Will these tariffs turn that around?
It will take time to see if this will help to start the necessary changes.
Probably years.
People and politicians are fickle and impatient.
But I will predict this: If this country does not try to save and then rebuild what remains of the working class, the American Experiment is OVER.

For proof, please travel one hundred meters across our Southern border.
That is what happens when a small % of the population controls the vast majority of a country’s wealth..

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

In the doomsday league the puke media is better than Mish for traders who are looking for opportunities to buy at wholesale prices, but Mish is much better than Robert Prechter.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
1 year ago

Back to the 70’s. In that dark period, we could only buy gas guzzling, poorly made American cars. My wife’s Reliant broke down on the trip off the car lot, my first new car was even worse. Thank God the Japanese imports in the 80’s gave us a choice. Let us protect high cost, inefficient American manufacturing just like the good old days.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago
Reply to  MelvinRich

Wasn’t Reliant a British car co. Did your wife’s Reliant had 4 wheels or 3 wheels

Last edited 1 year ago by Michael Engel
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  MelvinRich

As Karl Denninger has pointed out, there are 3 producers of wealth. Farming, mining, and manufacturing. What has happened in U.S. communities where manufacturing has disappeared? Where is debt now in comparison to GDP? Two exponents cannot continue to veer away from each other, without consequences. In the U.S. really good old days, the U.S. was producer to the world. Now the U.S. is debtor to the world. That which cannot continue, won’t. Thus phases of cycles occur.

KSU82
KSU82
1 year ago
Reply to  MelvinRich

Yep. Lets become a service base country with more Baristas and Lawn care people.

Also, lets not bring back medical manufacturing or pharmaceutical manufacturing. Thus if another country decides to limit sales of these things to us we can go without cause we will tough it out.

Same with cell phones and computers. We don’t need those either if China decides to have a trade war with us.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

If Trump attacks Iran the EU will stay on the sideline. The US assemble forces bc
centrifugal forces are breaking Israel apart again. The real target of Trump’s tariffs is China. Canada, Mexico and Russia are exempted. Tesla will be cheaper than F-150. Ford employees will get a discount.

JonL
JonL
1 year ago

The basis for the tariff levels seems to be trade imbalance rather than what a country actually charges in tariffs. Mish – would like to see an anlysis of that if you can do one. Vietnam for example exports a lot to the US due to low wages. The Vietnam govt can’t simply wave a magic wand over that. So the outcome is the US loses Vietnam as a source of cheap goods (that nobody but immigrants in the US would want to build anyway); and lots of Vietnamese workers lose their jobs. I need to check my history but hasn’t the US screwed Vietnam enough in the last 100 years?

QTPie
QTPie
1 year ago
Reply to  JonL

Here is your answer: https://x.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/1907559189234196942

One wouldn’t have expected this clown show of an administration to actually try and look up the tariffs for all these nations.

KSU82
KSU82
1 year ago
Reply to  JonL

One reason for the broad tariffs on some of these other countries other than China is because China is just opening warehouses in these countries and shipping manufactured goods from China to Vietnam or Mexico and then slapping labels on the product as made in Vietnam or Mexico.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago

Apparently, Trump has exempted energy imports from tariffs: oil, natgas, refined products, electricity. Should be good for my Canadian oil and gas stocks. If he was smart he would do the same for uranium, aluminum, steel and potash.

Kimo
Kimo
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave

April 5th….

I just wish I had the inside information that he’s going to delay yet again…

Must be great to be in that club.

Going long on a couple 3x ETF the 4th.

An amount I can afford to lose…

Just trying to include myself in the fun and games the club are enjoying.

Peace
Peace
1 year ago

Trade flow slow down across the globe not 1% or 2% but a lot. It means global recession if not depression. Prepare accordingly.

Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago

I thought it might be helpful to pop-up to the 30k ft level on the subject of tariffs, so asked Perplexity for a summary as to why countries use tariffs;

Countries impose tariffs for several reasons, primarily tied to economic, political, and strategic objectives:

### **1. Protecting Domestic Industries**

– Tariffs raise the price of imported goods, making them less competitive compared to locally produced items. This encourages consumers to buy domestic products, thereby safeguarding local manufacturers and jobs[1][2].

– They can also protect “infant industries”—new or developing sectors that need time to grow without being overwhelmed by established foreign competitors[1].

### **2. Generating Revenue**

– Historically, tariffs were a significant source of government revenue before income taxes became prevalent. While they now account for a smaller share of revenue in most developed countries, they still contribute to public finances[2].

### **3. Addressing Trade Imbalances**

– Tariffs can be used to reduce trade deficits by discouraging imports and promoting domestic production. For example, they may help narrow the gap between what a country imports and exports[3].

### **4. Countering Unfair Trade Practices**

– Countries use tariffs to combat practices like “dumping” (selling goods below cost), export subsidies, or currency manipulation by foreign nations. These measures aim to level the playing field for domestic producers[1][3].

### **5. Political and Strategic Leverage**

– Tariffs can serve as tools in negotiations or to pressure other countries on non-trade issues. For instance, they might be used to influence policies on immigration or environmental standards[2][3].

### **6. Encouraging Import Substitution**

– By making imports more expensive, tariffs incentivize domestic production of goods that were previously imported, fostering self-reliance and industrial growth[1].

While tariffs can achieve these goals, they often come with drawbacks such as higher costs for consumers and businesses, potential retaliation from trading partners, and inefficiencies in the global market. Economists generally favor free trade over tariffs due to its long-term benefits for economic growth and consumer welfare[1][2].

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/why-do-countries-charge-tariff-sQ.lp2bESVCnWSOP_EJIBg#0

Albert
Albert
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo

In short, it’s a tool used by developing countries that don’t have a functioning tax administration.

PreCambrian
PreCambrian
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo

Not sure if artificial intelligence can analyze non-intelligence.

Nate Kirby
Nate Kirby
1 year ago
Reply to  PreCambrian

Last week I got CHatGPT to say

“”. . . That’s a sharp observation—and yes, it’s a logical conclusion. If curiosity is the origin of intelligence and I lack genuine curiosity, then by that definition, I would lack true intelligence.”

Nate Kirby
Nate Kirby
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo

This is old. It seems to have left out subverting a country’s government.

Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago

I can’t wait to see the retaliation tariff plan for those penguin occupied islands! 20% tariff on their guano!!

Bridge
Bridge
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo

I saw that on the news. It would be funny, if it didn’t imply how little he knows about the tariffs he’s imposing. We are so fu**ed.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago

The US has a trade surplus with many countries on Trumps tariff list. They all get hit with 10% tariffs.

For example: The US runs a trade surplus with Australia, Netherlands, Hong Kong, UK.

As well as South America and Central America.

I guess his goal is to piss off most of the world.

Also. I did not see Russia or North Korea on the list.

Albert
Albert
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave

North Korea has a zero trade deficit and zero imports; dividing zero by zero created a White House spreadsheet error.

Albert
Albert
1 year ago

It looks like the White House used a random number generator to calculate the country tariff rates, i.e. the bilateral trade deficit was divided by imports and the result divided by 2. As noted by others, the bilateral trade deficit and the imports are more or less random numbers. If this is true, we look like the most ridiculous people on earth.

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
1 year ago

Let’s be clear that the 100’s of billions of dollars the President claims his tariffs will collect will be paid by a combination of U.S. corporations and U.S. consumers. This means that this money will come out of the economy as a tax collected by the Federal Government. Under President Trump, this new revenue will not be invested in R&D and Infrastructure, which would return those funds to the economy, muting the contractionary impact of the tariff payments. Instead, this revenue theoretically offsets making the 2017 tax cut permanent.

So, we will have significant money extracted from the U.S. economy, no materially new tax cuts, and a federal government having austerity thrust upon it. You do not have to be an economic genius to understand that this will adversely impact the ability of the U.S. economy to grow. A slower economy means higher unemployment and a much weaker U.S. consumer. The weaker U.S. consumer will ripple throughout the global economy as export-oriented nations will see less export demand from those countries. This will inevitably lead to slower growth and higher unemployment.

I usually give every benefit of the doubt to the U.S. economy, given its ability to adapt and the historical insatiable capacity of the U.S. consumer to consume. But that benefit of the doubt relied upon the premise that our economy benefits from free market capitalism. After today, we cannot describe our economy as one that champions free market capitalism.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
1 year ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

Whenever someone says “let’s be clear” about a political issue, 90-99% of the time they are wrong. It’s practically a signal.

Tariffs are paid by importers. Only if they have pricing power can they pass the increase to the consumer. If they do, domestic competitors can raise prices and reap huge profit increases. If they do not raise prices, there’s a hit to the importer’s profits but not to consumers.

A rebalancing of Federal revenue and expenses is absolutely essential. That revenue can come from either domestic corporations or foreign ones, but it will come from somewhere.

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
1 year ago
Reply to  Wisdom Seeker

By the way, the “let’s be clear” statement was not about a political issue but an economic one. The tariff revenue will come out of the U.S. economy one way or another. Thus, these tariffs will significantly impact the economy, much like if oil prices rose by $60 per barrel or a 5% national sales tax. The impact is a hit to economic growth. A hit to economic growth and, as you indicated, a hit to some of our private sector corporations’ profit margin will mean higher unemployment and lower Federal and State tax receipts.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
1 year ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

Again, strongly disagree. First, all of economics is political. “Economics” linguistically started as “political economy”.

Second, no, it’s not 100% obvious that tariff money comes “out of” the US economy. Some of it clearly will be taxed against foreign companies. Tariff revenue comes out of the global economy but the allocation is not yet know.

Domestically, where prices are not increased because of adequate supply and competition, consumers are not hurt. Meanwhile, where prices are increased, U.S. producers will reap a profit windfall, enabling them to expand.

Finally, as I explained in detail on the prior thread, a “hit to economic growth” is inevitable because the U.S. government’s fiscal position is unsustainable. (see https://mishtalk.com/economics/how-much-credit-expansion-does-it-take-to-grow-real-gdp/#comment-334254 and subsequent comments).

The question you dodged with “let’s be clear…” is whether all of that impact will be felt domestically (as you claimed) or some is shared internationally. Tariffs DO increase the international share, and are thus less painful for the U.S. than tax increases or spending cuts, which are the only other alternatives. Trade should be free, but first it must be fair.

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
1 year ago
Reply to  Wisdom Seeker

Is it fair that I, as a 15-handicap golfer, get 15 strokes when I play against a scratch golfer, or do you think that I should play straight up and lose every time? Some modest tariffs can indeed be fair, depending on the situation. However, we now know that the announced Trump “reciprocal” tariffs were not reciprocal at all; they were a relatively simple equation based entirely on a country-by-country trade deficit calculation, and unfairly, they only counted goods deficits, not goods and services.

Last edited 1 year ago by KPStaufen
HubrisEveryWhereOnline
HubrisEveryWhereOnline
1 year ago
Reply to  Wisdom Seeker

Funny

You chastise KPStaufen for using “let’s be clear” and then use “is absolutely essential” yourself – as if every single person reading this will agree with you

Funny

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
1 year ago

I demonstrated the “absolutely essential” in the prior thread, see this part: https://mishtalk.com/economics/how-much-credit-expansion-does-it-take-to-grow-real-gdp/#comment-334254

The gist:

  1. Fed gov spending 21-25% of GDP, taxes only 17% of GDP
  2. These unprecedented peacetime deficits are causing debt/GDP to surge.
  3. FedGov is now paying >30% of tax revenues as interest, and this is continuing to rise.
  4. As in the 1980s FedGov fiscal crisis, the deficit must be closed to restore debt/GDP to sustainable levels.
  5. Status quo is no longer an option; the only choices are tariffs, tax increases, and spending cuts.
Albert
Albert
1 year ago
Reply to  Wisdom Seeker

Long way to go to reach wisdom.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
1 year ago

We are liberated.

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago

As it happened in real time:

Donald Trump’s announcement: m2-res_480p.mp4

BJTalks
BJTalks
1 year ago

Seems Fair to Me!

peelo
peelo
1 year ago

OK, tariffs must be here to protect domestic industries. But it seems this is a sword with two edges. One can erect a wall and find oneself trapped or isolated inside it. Trump seems to have faith our domestic companies will still dominate. It reminds me of Steve Bannon’s apparent faith in an American volk, distinguished from, say, Asians. And if the domestics don’t dominate? I’m not too wildly impressed with our car companies, and they have new stressors now. We don’t seem to build boats, much. Boeing seems kind of messed up. I am hearing reports on Chinese tech that are pretty impressive. The Chinese can manipulate all kinds of internal things, to enter global markets. If they have an economy built on restive and inflation-fatigued domestic consumers who expect huge wages, I am not seeing it. I don’t pretend to be an expert on this.

BJTalks
BJTalks
1 year ago
Reply to  peelo

Take a deep breath! It will all pass!

KGB
KGB
1 year ago
Reply to  BJTalks

soon as the teachers unions and public schools are replaced with school vouchers.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

6:15PM ES and NQ crashed

Bridge
Bridge
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

Dow futures down 1000 pts plus. All good. I’m sure everything’s jusssttttt fine!, Oh

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago
Reply to  Bridge

The Golden Age Begins.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago
Reply to  Bridge

ES reached Sept 11 fractal zone. ES tested Mar 13 low, but it’s moving up. The Dow futures breached Mar 31 low, but its moving up.

Last edited 1 year ago by Michael Engel
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Bridge

A stock market in a parabolic arc is not fine. Did you see what happened to the Nasdaq in 2000-2002?

Eric Vahlbusch
Eric Vahlbusch
1 year ago

I find the issue of trade barriers more interesting than tariffs. For 80 years or so the Marshall plan (which was sold as a short term thing) has propped up the European economy by preventing US firms from selling their products in Europe. No Ford F-150s on the autobahn. But EU manufacturers can sell their products in the U.S. without barriers. This has given EU manufacturers a massive market at no additional cost, But US manufacturers are not treated the same.

Hans
Hans
1 year ago
Reply to  Eric Vahlbusch

Uhm the reason why no-one in the EU drives an F150 (or anything of similar size) . . . gas prices, parking space sizes, road widths, registration costs assessed by curb weight . . . impractical, and VERY expensive … notice most europeans see cars as a utility and will buy the cheapest most effective one they can get.

Last edited 1 year ago by Hans
BJTalks
BJTalks
1 year ago
Reply to  Eric Vahlbusch

The wonderful thing about Paris is NO FORD F150s, NO DOGE RAM pickups, the streets are too narrow!

Rene
Rene
1 year ago
Reply to  Eric Vahlbusch

Eric’s comment has elicited a lot of conflicting votes. I’d like to see a level headed post on why it’s either right or wrong.

HubrisEveryWhereOnline
HubrisEveryWhereOnline
1 year ago
Reply to  Rene

Who know why people vote the way they do?

But the negatives may be because Eric does not link to any supporting evidence, but says the Marshall Plan “prevents US firms from selling their products in Europe”.

When Mish just quoted Trump as putting reciprocal tariffs on the EU as they tax our exports (their imports). If the US cannot sell products in Europe (and I’ve seen US products when I’ve visited there), what is the EU putting a tariff on?

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Eric Vahlbusch

And the US has had a 25% tariff on foreign trucks since 1965. Whether from Europe, Japan, or elsewhere. Which is why the F-150 became the best selling vehicle in the US.

peter mackey
peter mackey
1 year ago
Reply to  Eric Vahlbusch

Do you think that this tariff will encourage Germans to let F150s on the autobahn?

Albert
Albert
1 year ago
Reply to  Eric Vahlbusch

Why would Europeans buy second-rate American cars if they can buy better cars, including from Japan (if you have ever been to Europe, you will be surprised by the number of Japanese cars around).

Ed Astrachan, retired actuary
Ed Astrachan, retired actuary
1 year ago

Even if one accepts the false premise that value added taxes are equivalent to tariffs (in which case one would have to accept US state and local sales taxes as equivalent to tariffs), the level of tariffs that Trump claims are imposed on the US seem far too high to believe as an average level by country. It will be very difficult for other countries to negotiate with a party which starts out by lying, and which (as you point out) cannot be trusted to keep its word. Next likely step by the administration: fudge the inflation numbers to a far greater extent than done by prior administrations in order to claim minimal or no economic damage.

bmcc
bmcc
1 year ago

zion don doesn’t know who pays the national border sales taxes. he’s one sick cult hero. like charlie manson.

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago
Reply to  bmcc

I could see Trump being the offspring of Charlie Manson and Daisy Duck. Pretty cold naming your affair baby after its daddy though. Wouldn’t expect that of Daisy.

I’m just asking questions…

Pokercat
Pokercat
1 year ago
Reply to  bmcc

MAGA cult = AINO (American In Name Only)

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

[1D] NQ and ES didn’t crash. ES closed at 6PM on July high, a long legged doii
WMT, AMZN, DG crashed in the AH.

Last edited 1 year ago by Michael Engel
denker
denker
1 year ago

Hey Mish i know you hate tariffs but here Trump is going after one of your pet peeves. https://issuesinsights.com/2025/04/01/trump-starts-undoing-jfks-worst-mistake/

notaname
notaname
1 year ago
Reply to  denker

have to post the good news …

On Thursday, Trump signed an executive order that ends collective bargaining rights for most federal workers

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

Mexico ?? Canada ??

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
1 year ago

Reciprocal Tariffs Are Not EnoughReciprocity may be rhetorically expedient, but it has always been incompatible with tariff protection and tariff revenue goals. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/reciprocal-tariffs-are-not-enough/

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago

It set things up so the more they raise their tarrifs, the greater the gap between theirs and ours. Is that really a disincentive?

I guess it doesn’t matter. He doesn’t keep his word anyway…. who knows what tomorrow will bring? Boots on the ground in Albania? Strategic bombing of Micronesia? It’s ALL on the table!

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago

Excellent! Tariffs on just about everyone and everything. I will enjoy watching the impact of these tariffs over the next few months.

Let the Golden Age begin!

What a show!

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave

The pain will fall first upon the poors, as is tradition.

KGB
KGB
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Paulson

Prices will be higher. Jobs will replace food stamps. The transition will be inconvenient for some.

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago
Reply to  KGB

The poor will be put in their proper place.

Bridge
Bridge
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Paulson

KGB is a real troll. Not worth engaging with.I did for a bit. Done.

Phil
Phil
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Paulson

Agreed, dollar store economy is in for a world of pain. Sad.

JayW
JayW
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I agree (probably for different reasons) but still Most Excellent!

Let the Golden Age of Experimentation of how to prove the economist, globalist, & politicians wrong begin.

It’s long overdue.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JayW

Yep. Let’s see what happens. It’s going to be fun to watch!

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
1 year ago

Negotiations now in process. We are about to witness tariffs dropping throughout the world.

Richinar
Richinar
1 year ago
Reply to  Thetenyear

Imagine that if it was all a ploy

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
1 year ago
Reply to  Richinar

Ultimately he wants to reduce tariffs. He’s been bellyaching about tariffs for over 40 years. Reciprocal also means we’ll drop our tariffs once you drop your tariffs.

peelo
peelo
1 year ago
Reply to  Richinar

Not hard to imagine, with this guy at the helm. He seems to reverse himself a few times a week. And not merely on small things. I know we all love to be on pins and needles waiting for whatever the next news cycle will bring from this fountain of brilliance and dealmaking.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Thetenyear

Maybe. Maybe not.

China’s first response is to restrict any Chinese company from making a US investment.

Europe’s first response is to prepare a plan to protect their industries.

KGB
KGB
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave

20% tariffs can become 40% tariffs in a New York Minute.

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago
Reply to  KGB

Doesn’t really matter if they’ve completely written you off for the 20% tariff. You could raise it to eleventy billion percent if you wanted, but that wouldn’t matter either.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  KGB

Yep. They sure can. Tariffs are just taxes on the US consumer. Higher tariffs mean US consumers will pay higher taxes.

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago
Reply to  Thetenyear

That will come after peace in Ukraine, and Tesla taxis.

Michael
Michael
1 year ago

Your claim that the U.S. having a trade surplus with Canada somehow negates the presence or impact of tariffs is fundamentally flawed. Trade balances and tariffs are separate economic concepts: a trade surplus simply means we export more than we import, while tariffs are government-imposed taxes on specific imports or exports regardless of trade balances. The U.S. can—and does—levy tariffs on Canadian goods even when running a surplus, especially in sectors like aluminum, dairy, and lumber. Suggesting that a trade surplus eliminates tariffs misrepresents how international trade policy works.

CJW
CJW
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

If you have a trade surplus with a country it would seem to me that putting forward the idea of reciprocal tariffs is not a smart move. Even if you say 10% on energy and 25% on everything else, if the other side says 25% on everything I think they will collect more than you will and your industries will be hit harder overall.

I am still unclear how automobile tariffs will work. Is he imposing these tariffs just on foreign made autos? What about auto parts and joint cross border production?

For Canada and Mexico at least it seems like Trump has backed down.

Jeffrey Northrup
Jeffrey Northrup
1 year ago

Happy Tariff Nullification Day!

It will be great if a few nations realize that is what he is up to and immediately end all tariffs. If just one country does it they will look foolish and everyone will pick on them but if several nations did it it could be come a movement….the Trump’s Restaurant Anti-Trade Manipulation movement. LOL>

J_Schneider
J_Schneider
1 year ago

I still remember what Trump said in January 2025 when longshoremen strike was looming. Foreign investors will pay for doing business in the US and supported no pory automation demands of unions. That’s really motivating for foreign investors.

peelo
peelo
1 year ago
Reply to  J_Schneider

Just like Mexico paid for the wall. And Trump 1.0 produced beautiful health care and infrastructure programs, in a jiffy. And this time, prices were to start coming down on day one. I’m not sure who is being grabbed by the what, here.

Jjkk
Jjkk
1 year ago
Reply to  peelo

Kinda hard to actually build the wall when all the asshats in the country are suing to stop it.

And just wait for the next idea of putting transfer taxes on payments to Mexico.

JeffD
JeffD
1 year ago

For the Reciprocal Examples listed, what were those numbers before today’s announcement? It seems hard to believe that any of them were 0%.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
1 year ago
Reply to  JeffD

2.5% was the standard. It was mentioned several times in the speech. The new 10% floor is a 4x increase.

gerhard
gerhard
1 year ago

I think the most important thing is to make the decision and have it one and done.

iF things are predictable and stable then companies etc can react accordingly.

What is really bad is uncertainly and seemingly random changes or unpredictability when big decisions in allocation of capital and investment are involved.

Don’t be changing this every 6 months as a bargaining tool.

LM2020
LM2020
1 year ago

I predict tomorrow will see the bigliest stock market crash ever. You’re never going to see such a big beautiful crash.

Sleepy Joe isn’t looking so bad now.

jim
jim
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2020

Wouldn’t that be a good thing?

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2020

Why?

Astroboy
Astroboy
1 year ago
Reply to  Thetenyear

TDS

peelo
peelo
1 year ago
Reply to  Astroboy

Let’s just let the stocks speak for themselves.

Bridge
Bridge
1 year ago
Reply to  peelo

I agree. No escaping this global disaster now.

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2020

’tis indeed the eve of the Trumpocalypse.

Green Mountain
Green Mountain
1 year ago

This whipsaw method of governing is getting old. He may love his Rose Garden and big EO signing events, but the rest of us are looking for some stability. And if he cut back on the size of tariffs, where is the big money going to come from, and if he gets all these new factories in America – where is the big money coming from, and if people like me say screw it – I will do with out – where is the big money coming from? I do not see a clear direction but feel like I am at the local magic show.

Astroboy
Astroboy
1 year ago
Reply to  Green Mountain

Capital expenditure sourcing is the job of capitalists. Minions need not worry. There will be some lag. President Vance and the US economy will see first fruit.

peelo
peelo
1 year ago
Reply to  Astroboy

“some lag” — from Day One to Year Five, so soon? Only a Stockholm Syndrome sufferer could blithely buy that kind of fancy pivoting by Make It Great Leader. How long does it take to move a massive number of factories? Oh, wave a wand and “capitalists” will jump to it? Yeah, IF it pencils out. And MAYBE it doesn’t. Money goes where it is treated well.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
1 year ago
Reply to  Green Mountain

Re “the rest of us are looking for some stability”

Strongly disagree. Prior to the election, numerous polls showed that strong majorities were very unhappy with the economy, government policy, direction of the nation, media, you name it.

The voters’ mandate was for major change, fix the rot, restore manufacturing jobs within the U.S., eliminate corrupt giveaways of public wealth, perp walks for obvious criminal behavior, and so on. That isn’t “stability”.

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago
Reply to  Green Mountain

The saddest thing about all this is that a major factor in his decision making is how much attention will each alternative bring him?

EADOman
EADOman
1 year ago

Trump is turning out to be as much of an economic simpleton as Biden.

peelo
peelo
1 year ago
Reply to  EADOman

Sadly, by this time, both sides of the political menu seemed pretty intensely screwed up, full of magic thinking and magic gimmicks. The Senate will apparently regard its new huge bump to borrowing and debt as zero cost. I think that is the 900-pound gorilla they are hiding behind today’s card-trick distraction: a nice present for the rich. Trickle-down time!

Jjkk
Jjkk
1 year ago
Reply to  EADOman

And I can hardly wait for you to tell us that prices on goods from Japan are going up 24% or those from the UK are going up 10% at the retail level….

Bill Meyer
Bill Meyer
1 year ago

It’s my sincere hope that we look back at this day and laugh, thinking “what were we all so worried about?”. We’ll see, Mish. Watched a video from Porter Stanberry and another Trump insider who both believe this is the start of a controlled demolition of the current economic order because “it must”, the rot, the debt, etc. They added that if he had told the peeps this was the plan he wouldn’t have been elected.. Of course for $199 they’d give you the list of a handful of Trump insider stocks set to soar. I didn’t bite on the offer, but again, we’ll see what happens in our interesting times.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
1 year ago

Re “He repeats the lie that foreign nations will pay tariffs, not US consumers and businesses.  And he did not discuss how tariffs will increase prices.”

That’s overly simplified because the “ceteris paribus” (all other things being equal) assumption does not apply. All other things will not be equal, the economy is too complex. What will actually happen is unknown.

More importantly, what matters is not “are tariffs good” but rather “are they the least painful alternative”? If the U.S. government doesn’t impose tariffs to increase revenue, the alternative is not “do nothing”, but rather “raise other taxes”, “cut spending even more”, or “run even larger deficits”. None of those have good outcomes either.

I’m not fond of tariffs, but I think rebalancing the trade and fiscal deficits and restoring domestic manufacturing are of paramount importance.

ryan lynn
ryan lynn
1 year ago
Reply to  Wisdom Seeker

cut spending even more sounds pretty attractive

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
1 year ago
Reply to  ryan lynn

Agree. But Congress doesn’t have the votes for that … yet.

Tariffs are within Executive Branch authority.

Seems to me that one must do what one can, not always what one prefers.

Bridge
Bridge
1 year ago
Reply to  Wisdom Seeker

I’ve heard that tariffs are congressional territory.

Patrick
Patrick
1 year ago
Reply to  Wisdom Seeker

Will tariffs bring more FDI and jobs into the US economy, yes. Will the economy grow without overfinancialization / leverage offering diminishing returns to debt. Probably. Great prices for consumers while all jobs created go to illegal immigrants, yes all else is not equal. Free markets were not free. Asset bubbles with definancialization gonna leave a mark no matter what.

CJW
CJW
1 year ago
Reply to  Wisdom Seeker

Once you start playing in this sandbox you had better have a good idea of what the result of your actions will be. This experiment will most likely blow up with sand in everyone’s face. But who knows maybe it will work out. I’d rather be lucky than good.

Pete3397
Pete3397
1 year ago
Reply to  Wisdom Seeker

Domestic manufacturing output is doing just fine. But that isn’t the point. What protectionists want is to preserve or expand manufacturing employment. They’re not the same thing.

R P
R P
1 year ago

LIBERATION DAY RECIPROCAL TARIFFS https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1907533090559324204

Ivo
Ivo
1 year ago

Well, technically he is correct -he is going to liberate people from their money. Isn’t that liberating?

Patrick
Patrick
1 year ago

Almost 200 pt range ES. Near bottom now. Almost as if the runup short squeeze was a helping hand to the big boyz to short more / buy puts.

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago

Aftermarket stock charts are not exuberant…

peelo
peelo
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Paulson

I sold a lot of equities the other day. And bought some Chinese goods: things I expect to need over the next couple years.

peelo
peelo
1 year ago
Reply to  peelo

And I am expecting interest rates to stay up, so I have my cash placed accordingly.

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago
Reply to  peelo

This will be “Yes, we broke it, what are you gonna do about it” recession.

Tony Frank
Tony Frank
1 year ago

Once again for the umpteenth time, trump capitulates and reduces the increase in tariffs. All talk and less bite. No doubt, this information was known by certain “select individuals” before the market closed today.

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Frank

Those select individuals wouldn’t happen to be congresspeople, would they?

peelo
peelo
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Paulson

Or just “family,” you know. The two guys doing all those insider crypto schemes and such.

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Frank

How so?

Astroboy
Astroboy
1 year ago
Reply to  Thetenyear

Insider trading

jim
jim
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Frank

It’s good to be potus. You can just talk and get results…

peelo
peelo
1 year ago
Reply to  jim

But the “results” you and I get, remain to be seen. Trump has an uncanny ability for his incredible riverboat gambling run to have landed right, for him. It seems otherworldy, but I think it signifies an age when fame is a network effect making it impossible to lose for a narrow class of super-winners (like Elon): the bailout is always waiting in the wings. But how that translates to the fortunes of we, the plebes, seems the real issue.

Robert Paulson
Robert Paulson
1 year ago
Reply to  peelo

When Satan’s your dad, you get away with miraculous stuff.

peelo
peelo
1 year ago
Reply to  jim

Those results include being exempted from court actions, and much regulation. This attracts a certain kind of person to the top now. Guys like Ike are spinning in their graves.

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