Twitter Permanently Suspends House Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene Over Covid Lies

Personal Account Permanently Suspended 

https://twitter.com/daveyalba/status/1477646895849877504

MTG is US House of Representatives member from Georgia, a QAnon supporter, and an outspoken antivaxx proponent. 

The QAnon Movement was originally based on a pro-Trump conspiracy theory that a group of global liberal elites run a child sex ring that Mr. Trump would stop.

She was suspended in August after Tweeting the Food and Drug Administration shouldn’t approve the Covid vaccines because they were “failing” to mitigate the spread of the disease.

Absurd Cancer Analogy

In December, Greene made this absurd analogy:

“Every single year more than 600,000 people in the US die from cancer. The country has never once shut down. Not a single school has closed. And every year, over 600,000 people, of all ages and all races will continue to die from cancer,” Greene Tweeted.

She was widely mocked and rightfully so because cancer is not contagious. Her ridiculous comments on cancer were not part of the suspension process. 

5-Step Twitter Escalation

  • Strike 1: Warning – No Account Level Action
  • Strike 2: 12-Hour Account Lock
  • Strike 3: 12-Hour Account Lock
  • Strike 4: 7-Day Account Lock
  • Strike 5: Permanent Suspension

Rolling Stone reports Marjorie Taylor Greene’s Personal Account Permanently Suspended From Twitter for Pushing Covid Lies

Greene on Saturday afternoon [News Years Day] tweeted that prior to the Covid outbreak deaths from vaccines were taken seriously, but now an “extremely high amount of covid vaccine deaths are ignored and government forced vaccine mandates are increased.”

Greene lashed out at Twitter following the suspension. “Twitter is an enemy to America and can’t handle the truth,” she wrote as part of a lengthy statement posted on Telegram and to her Gettr account. “That’s fine, I’ll show America we don’t need them and it’s time to defeat our enemies. They can’t successfully complete a Communist revolution when people tell the truth. Social media platforms can’t stop the truth from being spread far and wide. Big Tech can’t stop the truth. Communist Democrats can’t stop the truth.”

Rolling Stone says, and I wholeheartedly agree, “There is no evidence that Covid-19 vaccines are causing a rash of deaths that are being ignored.”

Not a Freedom of Speech Issue

Like it or not, this isn’t a Freedom of speech issue. Belief otherwise is belief that governments can force private companies to post opinions they disagree with!

Bowen is 100% correct. Freedom  of speech allows people to speak out against government suppression. 

It certainly does not force, nor should it force private businesses to post every point of view. Imagine if Fox News was forced to give equal time to Biden.

There are differences between social media and news organizations, but for good reason. Regardless, the issue has nothing at all to do with constitutional rights of free speech.

OK What Did She Do?

Twitter suspended the account after she Tweeted, falsely, about “extremely high amounts of Covid vaccine deaths”. The Tweet posted a misleading chart that posted unverified raw data from a government database on Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, VAERS, 

That’s Right Libs!

Both sides want it both ways (but only when it their view being represented).

Why Did MTG Make That Tweet?

  • She either wanted to to be banned or did not care if she was banned. 
  • It’s highly likely she views herself as a freedom of speech martyr. 

Should She Be Banned? 

We are finally, at long last getting to the real issue and the first one that’s actually reasonably debatable.    

It’s really amazing that the political faction obsessed with deploying a union of state and corporate power to silence their political opponents has somehow convinced itself that they’re the ones fighting — rather than constructing — a fascist order.

Curiously, Greenwald’s comments can be construed either way. 

Slippery Slope?

https://twitter.com/HelmMatthews/status/1477653527304359939

The Left would like to rein in Fox News and would if they could.

The Right says corporations must have the right to set their own rules, cheering the Supreme Court ruling that a baker did not have to bake a cake for a Gay couple.

Now the Right says corporations cannot set their own rules even though the escalation process and warning system is certainly reasonable.

The slippery slope is demanding governments tell private corporations what they can and cannot do under alleged freedom of speech rules even though the case in question constitutionally has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

Good or Bad Policy? 

Twitter’s policy is inherently neither good nor bad. The Left sees it one way and the Right the other. Regardless, it’s their call whether we like it or not. 

I support their right to conduct their business as they see fit. And I would say exactly the same thing if it was the Left that was howling.     

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CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Take a look at how serious adverse effects evolved in the last six months.
From 1300 in 4.3 mil to 4000 in 6 mil. From 1 in 3000 to 1 in 1500 vaccinees.
Denying these statistics are real is insanity. You are insane, you are lying to yourself that there are no side effects and that many are fake.
The only question to be responded by each person is if this risk is worth taking based on your specific medical context. That is all.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
If only the CDC turned the work they do to obfuscate the issues into clear reporting like these links, we would be much better informed!
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago

I wonder if these politicians actually believe what they are saying or if just trying to motivate their base.  Also which is more dangerous. 

Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
You kooks need to up your game if you want to demonstrate your convictions.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Locally, government mask kooks are telling people not to wear cloth masks. I have said for some time that common masks that people have been wearing, do little to nothing to stop Covid.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I think you just looked at the picture.
The illiterates like you read newsweek.
KyleW
KyleW
4 years ago
The red line is blocking out the number on her chart. Have there been some 18,000 deaths related to the covid vaccine? I have heard of people having heart issues and I do think the adverse reactions are under-reported. 
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Reply to  KyleW
From the info ive seen.  Yes there is the chance of heart issues.  But a lot less than if you actually get covid. 
The podcast twiv is a good source of info.  A bunch of studies are starting to come in.  These retired virologist sort through and sum up the data. Most of the time in terms an average person understand. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  KyleW
There have been a lot more than 18k deaths related to the CoVax shots.  For example, how about close to 400,000?  Keep taking those blue pills.
——-
Latest VAERS estimate: 388,000 Americans killed by the COVID vaccines
An independent derivation of the VAERS URF using the CMS death data leads to a URF of 44.64 which then leads to a 388K excess death estimate.
Steve Kirsch
Dec 14, 2021
strataland
strataland
4 years ago

Much like telephone companies, Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act offers broad protection for Facebook, Twitter and
other social media from legal liability for the content posted by their users. This protection should come at the expense of their unmitigated right to cancel or sensor
opinions with which they disagree. How is this different than telephone companies,
who are also protected under Section 230, from canceling or censoring their users
simply because they disagree with what is being spoken over their telephone
lines? Curious mind wants to know??

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  strataland
Write your Congressperson.  Let us know their reply.
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
4 years ago
So now what fellow citizens? 
Do we have a reasonable, rational strategy to exit this situation?
Or do we keep going with the same strategy and hope for a different outcome?
Over 95 percent of reported cases of the Omicron COVID-19 variant in Germany occurred in fully vaccinated individuals, according to a new https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Wochenbericht/Wochenbericht_2021-12-30 from the German federal government.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Today on Zero Hedge: “The scientists also postulated that the new variant was probably of “Cameroonian” origin. Readers can find the complete report below. The variant has been given
the name B.1.640.2, and was first detected by experts at the IHU
Mediterranee Infection Foundation in Marseille.

According to the paper, the scientists’ analysis of the variant’s genome revealed 46 mutations and “37 deletions resulting in 30 amino acid substitutions and 12 deletions. Fourteen 43 amino acid substitutions, including N501Y and E484K, and 9 deletions are located in the 44 spike protein.”

Where is the exit ramp?
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Not a panacea, but a robust immunity from a recovery is the best route. That way, at least your immune system has more viral targets and immunity options available than what a vacc can offer.
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey

I would say its hard to have a strategy on any kind of level. More like a general direction. .    328 million people in the country with just as many situations.    Were gonna wallow out slowly and do the best we can.   Hopefully not only for ourselves but others also.  I hope omicron is the next step in covid becoming an average cold.    From what i gather.   The vax is better at  protecting the lungs for some reason.  While the omicron like the upper respiratory.  The vax will most likely keep you out of the hospital.   Either way Sick is sick.  Your not supposed to go to work/ be around your elderly grand parents etc when your sick doesnt matter if its covid the flu or anything else.      

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
But you are neglecting the longer-term damage being done inside the bodies of everyone who has taken the CoVax shots.  This recent story claims that an insurance company is seeing an unexplained 40% increase in deaths in workers 18-64 YO.  You can run but uou can’t hide.  The CoVax shots are going to cripple/kill a lot more people than they purportedly save.
———–
Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64
By Margaret Menge | The Center Square contributor
Jan 1, 2022
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

Did i miss something.   I did not see where it said vaxed people were having issues.   Just there were more issues.   Could go a long with other articles saying people are not taking as good of care of their conditions or put off treatment for one reason or another.    

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
Unsure what “conditions” or “treatments” you are referring to.  People have been fat, overweight, out of shape and generally, abusers of drugs and alcohol for decades/centuries.
The executive said specifically that the deaths WEREN’T FROM COVID.  A sudden 40% increase in anything is huge and must have some underlying cause.  Many are saying that the only possible cause was the CoVax shots.  Or maybe they are all OD deaths?
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
It is funny the number of people who fail to see this is a private property rights issue and has nothing to do with free speech. When you decide to play on the Twitter playground you agree to play by their rules. Her dumb butt did agree to their terms of service…
Bbbbbbb
Bbbbbbb
4 years ago
Who was suspended for posting, amplifying, and stating as fact the now completely discredited claims of the “Russiagate” saga?
It is, indeed, a wedge into greater, arbitrary, selective censorship on powerful, broadly used methods of communication. Not covered under the rights in the Constitution, but nonetheless, censorship, and we should go carefully in supporting (yes, supporting) censorship in a time when we need the greatest political space we can find to debate the roots and outcomes of the crisis we’ve been experiencing for several decades.
And I have ABSOLUTELY NO AGREEMENT with the reactionary politics and statements by Greene on politics and Covid.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  Bbbbbbb
Censorship used to be informal, but effective. Civil culture would chastise, denigrate, ignore the crazies before social media. Newspapers and TV had editors. Those who spewed Greene’s crap would be drowned out and usually would realize their own crap.
Now, literally anyone could come up with a “movement” online among a billion or so private, anonymous opinions no matter how crazy.
Maybe everyone should be assigned a crypto coin to uniquely identify who says what so they’re held accountable for what they say publicly, like in pre-internet days.
Billy
Billy
4 years ago
If you think the Vaccine doesn’t work you might be a conspiracy theorist.
If you think the major news outlets are biased you might be a conspiracy theorist.
If you think there are large international human trafficking and child sex rings involving politicians, movie stars, and other famous people you might be a conspiracy theorist.
If you think the top internet companies are working together to filter the results that benefit them you might be a conspiracy theorist.
If you think you our politicians are working with them you might be a conspiracy theorist.
If you think hospitals benefited from reporting regular deaths as covid related you might be a conspiracy theorist.
If you think Jeffrey Epstein’s death wasn’t covered up you might be a conspiracy theorist.
If you think major banks like JPMorgan,  HSBC, and Deutsche Bank worked directly with Mexican drug cartels in money laundering schemes and our government didn’t even bother to shut them down, you might be a conspiracy theorist.
If you think most major universities accept bribes for admissions, grades, and degrees you might be a conspiracy theorist.
If you think universities accept people based on the color of their skin you might be a conspiracy theorist.
If you think major companies hire people based on the color of their skin you might be a conspiracy theorist.
If you think TV shows and commercials cast people based on the color of their skin you might be a conspiracy theorist.
Denver1
Denver1
4 years ago
Mish loses the whole argument by leaving out the fact that Twitter, Google, facebook and the other private websites hide under the federal law that they can’t be sued… like anyone else in US.
With this exemption, they operate as the DNC parrots without shame.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“Twitter’s policy is inherently neither good nor bad.”
If Twitter’s policy was uniformly and honestly applied, that would be the case. However, anything that does not parrot the public health agencies narrative is falsely labeled disinformation/misinformation, regardless of the high credentials of the person saying it.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Glenn Greenwald: “…deploying a union of state and corporate power to silence their political opponents…”
That is the real issue here.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
…and Mussolini would be so proud. State and corporate power don’t have a political party.

Funny, though, the right has a religious belief in corporations until the left gains control of the corporate office. Being in banking now, wow, has that proved itself evident over the past 5 yrs.

Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ

You’ll be fine with me putting a sign that says “kooks live here” on your lawn then? It’s my speech, and it’s free.

RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You may put up any sign you like on your lawn, including that you are a kook, if you like.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“She was suspended in August after Tweeting the Food and Drug
Administration shouldn’t approve the Covid vaccines because they were
“failing” to mitigate the spread of the disease.”
 “A CNN “hero”: Triple vaxxed, wears masks & shields, tests obsessively, locks herself in bathroomstill gets Covid.”
The issue with me is safety. The Covax is not proven safe. Pfizer hid the fact that Maddie De Garay was paralyzed soon after her second shot. There is also now a whistleblower that brought up irregularities during the Pfizer testing.
The 450,000 pages of Pfizer data is being withheld not just from the public, but from independent SCIENTISTS, who need that data for study purposes.
Safe and effective is a Madison Avenue marketing slogan, not medical science. The standard of treatment is informed consent. The patient is informed of the benefits and risks of a particular treatment, so the patient can make an informed decision. The public is participating in a mass Stanley Milgram experiment. Will the patient submit to a marketing slogan from a person of authority, or will they demand informed consent?
There was a video of a customer asking the pharmacist for the information sheet packaged with vaccine vials. The information sheet was blank, except for “this page intentionally left blank.” The pharmacist was left uninformed.
The medical industrial complex/public health agencies have destroyed their credibility. The truth is slowly coming out. The Joe Rogan show with Dr. McCullough had 40 million downloads. Maybe the interview with Dr. Malone will break that record.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Good morning, Dr Kookenstein! Typing nonsense vigorously as usual I see.
Hoping to get cancelled so you can be a martyr like Margie?
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I see you couldn’t wait to Gaslight, this morning.
I notice you can’t dispute anything i said.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
I don’t even read much of what you say, any more than I’d have an in depth discussion about semiconductor physics with a late stage crackhead. It’s the same kookery, over and over. 
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Once again you demonstrate that you can’t refute a word i said.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ

It’s part of the conspiracy. Study it out!

Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Safety used to be identified and classified as:
Occurrence of treatment-emergent adverse events (TEAEs) [ Time Frame: up to 24 months ]
mRNA tech for prostate cancer, for example, has a high rate of adverse events over the past decade while mRNA has been developed and is generally good only for advanced cancer. The tech has shown positive results against dangerous cells internally (like cancer) where the mRNA can teach your body to attack a “bad” marker on a cell, but not converting good cells into “bad” by transforming your cells into a pathogen, thereby generating an immune response – ie, convincing your body to attack itself. This has been researched for many years without an acceptable solution.
At least concerned with safety, researchers do have a 2 yr window they look for in adverse events, and we’re not even 1 year along. This isn’t kook science, but what real researchers need to do for safety. My lifelong friend is project lead using mRNA tech at U of M for a decade being published at the NIH at least 3 dozen times, and I’m a chem eng with a focus on biochem, so I’m not some uninformed keyboard surfer. If you want to tout safety, this simply does not meet traditional standards of safety, but was approved on the balance of risk/rewards including those factor NOT related to the vacc like impact on economy, social impacts of not having a vacc, etc..
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
“…this simply does not meet traditional standards of safety, but was approved on the balance of risk/rewards.”
Remdesivir failed on safety and is of no real benefit to the hospital patient, as they are in the inflammation stage at that time. However, there is high risk, 23% of liver damage. There is no balance of risk/reward.
It is a benefit for Gilead, not the patient, at 3K a pop.
There was no effort to keep people out of the hospital with antiviral therapies. There has been a one way street of mass vaccination being the only solution. It never was the only solution. It was the solution enforced, however. Hundreds of thousands died that could have been saved.
As far as impact on the economy, Covid-19 was largely treatable, once Dr. Zelenko figured out that HCQ+zinc had efficacy against it in March 2020. Unfortunately, Dr. Bright and Janet Woodcock worked to prevent HCQ being used to treat Covid-19.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
agreed, and to your point, the greasing by Big Pharma to those industry appointees at the FDA… just like that Alzheimer’s drug recently approved.
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
MJT is part if this group of reality TV republicans who fly the MAGA banner. They have accomplished little in any type of real leadership other than jump in front of the camera to produce YouTube videos that sing to their choir. One of these videos is of her chasing down the teenager David Hogg, who I don’t support, and calling him out for supporting red flag gun laws. When her hero Donald Trump looked at Dianne Feinstein and toldthe meeting he addressed that he supported walking all over due process rights to “take the guns” MJT and her fellow idiots in crime like Mike Gaetz dared not call out Trump for his readiness to trample due process rights in order to give the federal government gun confiscation power.

She is a fake phony fraud who doesn’t stand by principles. 

CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
I cannot believe how relaxed is Mish that his “charts” are not misinformation, but the correct chart of plotting all the records from VAERS per vaccine is “misleading” because it would take “unverified” reports from VAERS.
I guess Mish never tried to fill a VAERS report and assumes many are lies. This is what it is written after each step.
Warning: Knowingly filing a false VAERS report with the intent to mislead the Department of Health and Human Services is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment.”
Charting raw official data and proposing a meaning, an interpretation, is free speech. It is government data to verify the data that is collected and observe the law. That Mish is okay with others’ view to be called misinformation, just like his charts and economic views are to others, is ironic. Of course he must know that his hosting is also in danger of being shut down.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
Inconvenient facts have become disinformation to the left. And lies have become scientific fact.
The chart is only misleading in the scale of the bottom axis. While 18,000 is a large number it’s a small pct of all vaccinated. What I find amazing is how safe other vaccines are.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
Warning: Knowingly filing a false VAERS report with the intent to mislead the Department of Health and Human Services is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment.”
yeah, well … has anyone ever been indicted – let alone convicted – based on this speed bump?
I’ve read the disclaimers and VAERS data pretty much Wild Wild West and neither side should make claims based on it.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Read them from elsewhere…. Take Switzerland.
Did you know that serious adverse events occur now in 1 in 1500 vaccinees? And it used to be 1 in 2600 in the Aug report?
Stop lying to you that the SAE reports are untrue.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
Kooks like you are funny, not upsetting.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You are comic relief.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
You can’t compare twitter, who’s policy seems largely based on political viewpoint and has far reaching consequences, from a baker who made a decision not to bake a cake because of religious beliefs. There’s no alternative to twitter while there are countless bakeries. Parlor tried to create an alternative platform but the left had them squashed.
Having said that, I don’t agree with much of what Greene posts, but I think it’s important that she says what she thinks is true. People aren’t skipping vaccines because of what she posts and much of what’s been censored on twitter as disinformation was later found to be true.
What’s happening with censorship in social media is clearly a fascist attempt to silence opposing political viewpoints.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Oh you poor persecuted kooks. It’s the Kookacaust!
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Your comedy is Kookie.
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
Remember folks, only about ONE PERCENT of adverse vaccine reactions get reported on the VOLUNTARY VAERS system (according to a Harvard study). That means that the number of vaccine injuries and deaths is likely ONE HUNDRED TIMES higher than reported in VAERS. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
A hundred times? It’s eleventy bajillion times! I literally burst into flame and exploded, taking out a city block, each of the 3 times I got the vaccine!!1!!!
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Who writes your comedy routines for you?
The Lazarus, Harvard Patriot HMO study determined that less than 1% of cases were reported to VAERS.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Kooks studying kooks, it’s kooks all the way down.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Dr. Collins and Dr. Fauci sit at the top of them. The whole system is kooky. Thanks for acknowledging that.
GaryL
GaryL
4 years ago
Biden spread misinformation when he unequivocally asserted that those who take the vaccine would not get sick, get hospitalized, or die. Are those lies? Should he be banned? Of course he won’t be since Twitter, social media and big tech/pharma are all part of the fascist propaganda construct of the US Government. Just because Twitter, et al, are private companies doesn’t mean they have moral high ground to ban OPINIONS, which both MTG and Biden expressed based upon their beliefs, even though it may be legal. Green is probably closer to the truth since VAERS reported over 18,000 COVID vax deaths in the US as of July 2021! I’m old enough to remember vaccines being stopped over a handful of deaths. With the explosion of tyranny, anything not “illegal” will continue to proliferate. Ask the Nazis. At the least, Twitter, Facebook, and the rest should be splintered into a million pieces so real competition can develop.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  GaryL
“Just because Twitter, et al, are private companies doesn’t mean they have moral high ground to ban OPINIONS”
They have no moral high ground, period. It’s not their job, not their purpose, not their anything. Caring even one iota about whether Twitter exists or not, much less what they ban or not, is what falling for the propaganda looks like in real life.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  GaryL
There is nothing about having to let kooks patronize your business in the constitution. Study it out.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  GaryL
Biden probably didn’t even know where he was when he said that. He gets confused when they wheel him out into the light.
jiminy
jiminy
4 years ago
I liked the old internet, with zero censorship.  I could say what I wanted and suffer the consequences.  However, I could say what I wanted.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  jiminy
And here you are, on the internet, saying what you want to.
zimminy
zimminy
4 years ago
Covid Vaccine injuries and deaths seem to be grossly under reported, I have seen video after video of nurses and doctors state the injuries they have witnessed immediately or shortly after vaccination. My friends father who was in perfect health died one week after his 2nd shot from an aneurysm, a friends mother became wheelchair bound for several months immediately after her 2nd shot. It’s almost like she had a stroke, she became extremely weak and had trouble walking and took months to recover. A coworkers wife after the first shot had her glands all swell up and stayed in this very painful state also for several months. None of this would have been reported as Vaccine injuries, just “coincidences”. Heart attacks, thrombosis etc that occurs days, weeks or months after vaccination are never linked to vaccination by Healthcare workers, they are just considered natural occurances or due to lockdown stress but the common factor is it is happening among the vaccinated.
A couple of the many that would get banned by YouTube and Twitter as misinformation, what do they regard as misinformation? Any information that dares to question the Covid vaccine safety. We have no idea either about the longterm safety, it could be fine but the fact is there is no longterm. We are still years away from that.
jfpersona1
jfpersona1
4 years ago
Reply to  zimminy
Please look up the definition of ‘anecdote’ and then look look up the definition of ‘datum’ and THEN extrapolate that while looking up the definition of ‘data’.  For extra credit, you can look up real studies that USE ‘data’ and don’t end up on hole-in-the-wall sites that have nothing to do with real studies and science as a profession.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago

It really
doesn’t matter anymore because Twitter is no longer necessary for a political
career and being banned especially for medical dissent is not a black mark. Twitter
is a private company but it cannot do what it wants in everything because it
does have to cater to its clientele which tends Democrat and who also tend
toward the Left wing of the Democrats to boot. Twitter’s choice of who gets
banned reflects what that demographic wants and since 80% of tweets are
generated by 10% tweeters that segment rules. Check out their market here:

https://blog.hootsuite.com/twitter-demographics/#:~:text=More%20Twitter%20age%20demographics%20to%20note%3A%201%20More,in%20the%20U.S.%20%28%207%25%20vs%208%25%20%29.

Being
banned from Twitter or Facebook is a non-event. Being banned for covid dissent
is not a sign of scientific depravity but more a sign that Twitter is not a
platform for discussion but a private company whose goal is profits like any
other company and you can’t blame them for that. Today Twitter and Facebook are
no longer the inescapable means of message diffusion that they once were as
alternative media companies have been financed and set up and have a ready
market of dissatisfied legacy media users. A negative consequence that they cannot escape is that their former strategy of buying out potential competitors will be much more difficult now because governments can and will apply ant-trust and other anti-competition laws. Because of their behavior they have birthed a bipartisan movement against them. 

One under
looked consequence of Twitters’ behavior or more exactly the behavior Tweeter’s
most important segment is that scientists have learned that they have to be
careful what they say and that Twitter is not the best way to diffuse ideas as
it once was for them. They will exchange ideas by email or other private
networks now as they did before.

CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Let’s not forget that Twitter and Facebook started this censorship only after being seriously threatened by the Congress.
The political majority put pressure on these tools to obey the state narrative or else pay huge fines.
Same censorship that was forced onto RT several years ago it happens how to ordinary people. This is the slippery slope many are still denying, Mish being one of them.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
Definately they are screwed no matter what now. They are responsible for what people put on their platforms even if they can’t control it. They are going to piss off someone in any case. The problem for them is that they are percieved as being monopolies which they were at a time. now that there are viable and large alternatives those objections will become less revelent.
denker
denker
4 years ago
The problem is most of your internet giants are bay area/Silicon Valley or west coast (MSN Seattle) and are leftist. The Left was never about free debate and speech. 
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  denker
Leftist?!   How many of them endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2016/2020 or Jill Stein, in 2016?    No, they are all socially moderate right-wingers.  
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
I would guess Bernie had a lot if supporters and no one supported Stein.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  denker
The tech companies are run by smart people, who’s tolerance for dangerous kooks spreading made up kookery is wearing thin.
Stand up your own servers to spread your kookery. Too goddamn stupid to do that?  Thought so.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Assuming you really run a gaming rig for mining (as I do) and so may be more familiar with the industry, I would hope you understand this isn’t true. Their business model runs on traffic and user contributions, and Kooks drive traffic more than anyone else. I agree politics of twitter as a company are contrary to Trump (for example), but they made a lot of money on the traffic it produced. They got rid of him once he was on the way out and could be used as an example that they’re trying to stop misinformation.
Something else is driving this political purge (not that I necessarily disagree that one shouldn’t give voice to the likes of Trump and Greene). Pre-social media, at least there were social norms and shaming that shut down crazies (for the most part) because it was hard to find support. Now, anyone could say anything and get people following them from somewhere. It’s certainly NOT some kind of social duty of the platforms at the expense of growth, but more likely taking high profile action due to a fear of government regulation.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
Kookiness is a mental disease spread by the internet connect to a population composed primarily of really dumb people.  Normally it’s fine, but in this case, that kookery causes people to die unnecessarily in fairly large numbers with significant collateral damage.
Personally I think its wrong to deny people their hard-won Darwin Award, but tech leaders seem to have a softer side…. Or maybe they are worried about litigious ‘conservatives’ running up their legal bills with moronic lawsuits like their Dear Leader showed them.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Joining the crowd:
Permanently suspended on Twitter and how to find me
Robert W Malone MD, MS
Dec 29, 2021
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
4 years ago

Rolling Stone says, and I wholeheartedly agree, “There is no evidence that Covid-19 vaccines are causing a rash of deaths that are being ignored.”

Then what could be causing the deaths?
The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
The article is interesting but lacking in detail.  He seems to be implying that there are more Covid deaths than are being recorded.  An insurer who has to pay out death benefits should have all the requisite info at hand to give a detailed accounting of what is happening.  The fact that he doesn’t makes me suspicious.  
On the same site there is an interesting article that states: 
———-
Indiana’s top doc: More people hospitalized now than before the vaccine
By Margaret Menge | The Center Square contributor
Dec 30, 2021
———-
They blame this increase on the unvaxxed but after a year, you would think that the susceptible unvaxxed have mostly gotten Covid, been to the hospital if necessary, recovered or died.  Yet, there seems to be a never ending supply of unvaxxed sick enough to get into the hospital yet the overall incidence of people with Covid winding up in the hospital is less than 1% of all infections!  The numbers don’t match.
Then there is this section:
Holcomb, Box and Weaver all urged Hoosiers to get the vaccine.
“More than 80% of people we’re seeing in the hospital with Covid have not been vaccinated,” said Weaver.
But the vaccine is not preventing the spread of the illness, or preventing people from getting sick, Weaver acknowledged.
“We do continue to see breakthrough cases, and they have been increasing,” she said.
She said the state has recorded more than 101,000 breakthrough cases, in which someone who was vaccinated still got COVID-19. She said even so, the vaccinations “continue to be extremely effective at preventing severe illness or death from COVID.”
“Of those breakthrough cases, just over 2,000 people have been hospitalized,” she said. “That is approximately .05% of all fully vaccinated individuals.”
The state’s CMO tries to string together this mess of data into something meaningful and fails royally.
They’ve got 101,000 breakthrough cases (that’s people already vaxxed up who were hoping not to get sick at all!) and 2000 of them are in the hospital but as usual she (they) always, always, always state that vaccinations “continue to be extremely effective at preventing severe illness or death from COVID”.  But she can’t claim this because she has no idea how many of those 101k cases might have wound up in the hospital.  Maybe it’s only 50  people?
As fo the 80% of hospital patients are unvaxxed, she doesn’t tell how many people that percentage represents nor if they went to the hospital FOR Covid or it was discovered when they were there.  You would think that even lowly journalists would know to ask these questions by now! 
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” Carl Sagan.
Early Days Jojo.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“They blame this increase on the unvaxxed but after a year, you would think that the susceptible unvaxxed have mostly gotten Covid, been to the hospital if necessary, recovered or died.”
Well said. This is the thing that makes no sense with the argument about the unvaxxed being the ones hospitalized. There should be a marked drop off of hospitalizations over time if this were true. The unvaxxed would have died off or acquired natural immunity. The pool of living unvaxxed with no natural immunity would have substantially dried up by now.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Some interesting things going on here.
1) The 1st Amendment is broader than the US Constitution. It’s a culture. Or. It was a culture. 🙂
2) The guardians of the 1st Amendment are fielding a new team of late. The old team was from media and academia. Now? Good question. New guardians have neither label nor megaphone.
3) Mish is right that both US political cheer leading squads are not supportive of a 1st amendment culture. There is nothing new about this. It’s human instinct.
With regard to the 1st item, it used to be taught in US schools that speech was “free”. And that, to be a good citizen, you must override your instinct to suppress your opponent’s speech. “Say what you want. It’s a free country.” Anyway, in a republic or democracy, you are the government! So it behooves you, as a citizen, to abide by the 1st Amendment.
Over the last few decades, schools stopped teaching such a counter-instinctual culture and switched to “free speech zones”, criminalized speech, and so on. This is important because most people in high tech and an increasing number of people in media are recently and heavily schooled. They’ve grown up with the idea that speech is only narrowly free-ish from official and direct government force but that, so long as speech is OK with teachers and administrators, it’s fully “free”.
Until recently, I was, and would guess others are, ignorant of 19th century US supreme court rulings that the US government could not end-around the 1st Amendment by using private entities to do the dirty work. Note: This is something that didn’t need to be known to someone of a 1st Amendment culture. End-around tricks may be clever and amusing, but they are cheating. And we all know it.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Private business?
The Tech companies and the State are completely intertwined, via contracts, information sharing, etc.
Remember private company Parler?
It is also not misinformation.
The statistics on other vaccines in VAERS are also raw unverified information.
(By the way it is a felony to misreport to VAERS. While it is a duty to report, there are no sanctions, and the underreporting factor has been calculated in numerous ways to be around 41×).
A PCR positive does not prove you died of Covid instead of a motorcycle accident.
Proving causation with vaccines in individual cases is well nigh impossible, but statistics and timing go a long way.
Even life insurance companies are starting to bitch about accelerating disbursements for working age deaths in 2021.

Disclosure. No fan of MTG.

Esclaro
Esclaro
4 years ago

The US will be a fascist dictatorship in less than ten years. Fundamentalist Christianity will be the state religion and all individual freedoms will be outlawed. The right to vote will be restricted to white male landowners and slavery reinstated. Is this a great country or what?

KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Everything points to the left as being the real fascists.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
1. Define fascism
2. Describe how the left in power is fascist.
“I know you are, but what am   I” is not a valid response outside Pee Wee’s playhouse.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
For example, the content of this article.
Lip
Lip
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Fascism was basically the Italian flavour of communism.
Fasci -> Italian for bundle of sticks. Used to represent the idea that “Individually weak, strong together”.
The fasci were primitive trade unions [emph added] and mutual-benefit
societies aimed at helping workers get better contracts and helping
villagers protect their lands from enclosure. Conservative [emph added] resistance to their demands led to an outbreak of violence. https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascio-siciliano
Mussolini, Marxist originally, advocated for national Marxism instead of international Marxism. Was kicked out by his original party and then basically started the fascists which focused on national Marxism.
Fascism, according to the guy that basically wrote its philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile, has compulsory state corporatism.
“Corporatism is a collectivist political ideology [emph added] which advocates the organization of society by corporate groups, such as agriculture, labour, military, business, scientific or guild associations, on the basis of their common interests.”
“The hypothesis that society will reach a peak of harmonious functioning
when each of its divisions efficiently performs its designated function,
such as a body’s organs individually contributing its general health
and functionality, lies at the center of corporatist theory.
Corporatism
does not refer to a political system dominated by large business
interests
, even though the latter are commonly referred to as
“corporations” in modern American legal and pop cultural parlance;
instead, the correct term for this theoretical system would be corporatocracy.” (emph added) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism
Fascism was characterised by:
  • Totalitarianism
  • Absolute subservience to the state
  • Large syndicates, or unions, in control of the sectors of the economy.
  • Nationalistic
  • In contrast to Nazism, not fundamentally racist. Fascism was for all Italians. “Italy was to be fascist, and Fascism was to be Italy.”
  • Anti-parliamentarian
  • Anti-individual
  • Belief that the state is a “moral and spiritual reality”
  • Belief that “the interests of each were the interests of all”.
…elements of Fascism gradually matured out of the disintegration of positivism and orthodox Marxism.
That sounds more “left” than “right”.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
4 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
The US is ALREADY a fascist dictatorship.
The “politicians” are nothing but second-rate actors & grifters performing at the behest of their/our Oligarch Overlords.
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
Robert Malone has his account suspended on twitter.
You have a line of possible positions about covid vaccines, from one extreme to the other. MTG is on one of the extreme sides.
To appreciate the policy of twitter, I think one should not consider only the extreme cases, but rather to find where exactly is the limit on the line (for which amount of extremism you get suspended).
This is why I think that the case of Robert Malone is more interesting.
Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Problem solved before he got banned.  https://www.rwmalonemd.com/
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
I don’t know about you bit I certainly have gone toe-to-toe with people who always bring out “So why do you think you know more than a trained virologist/epidemiologist, etc.?”.
Why isn’t the same question being asked by people like Malone against whomever is making the decision on Twitter, FB, etc. to permanently ban someone?
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Because one is about epidemiology and one is about a loud mouthed moron getting 86ed from a social platform.  The distinction is subtle, but if you look reeeeeeeely close…
Its like logical fallacy bingo in here…. Almost 100% kooks.  Thanks to Mish for allowing this rich vein of idiocy to flourish… usually a forum with this many morons will ban me for hurting their fee fees. You guys are truly Special people and I love you.
Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago
If all social media posted one disclaimer, “We reserve the right to remove any content or user for any reason”,  instead of a lengthy and vague user agreement, the argument would be resolved I guess.   Can you tell I have no horse in the race?
Harley44
Harley44
4 years ago
Yes, it is a freedom of speech issue, even though I am no fan of Marjorie Taylor Greene. Try reading Marsh v. Alabama, the old “company town” case — the fact that the land in question was privately owned by the corporation did not stop the Supreme Court from finding that the First Amendment applied to the corporation’s attempts to restrict free speech. There are many other similar cases as well.
Also, remember that Facebook and other media sites prevented statements arguing the much more plausible theory that the virus originated in the Wuhan lab. It is definitely a slippery slope from wacky comments like Greenes’, to more plausible arguments that might be correct, but the liberal media find them inconvenient and want to suppress them. 
davebarnes2
davebarnes2
4 years ago
I am waiting for her government account to be nuked.
She is a crazy, evil loon out to destroy ‘Murica.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Wrong again MIsh.  I am no fan of MTG. 
But at this stage, much of the MSM and social media companies have proven themselves to be tools of a  government whose dictates they must follow or risk repercussions for not doing so, which might include any of:
  • Possible future law changes such as loss of section 230 protections
  • Loss of government contracts
  • Antitrust investigations
  • Consumer boycotts
  • Surpious investigations by government agencies
  • Elimination of journalist protections
  • And all the other leverage that a modern day government can bring to bare should they choose to do so.
The MSM, Twitter, FB, YouTube, Instagram, et al, refuse to allow or entertain any Covid thoughts that do not comport with what is being disseminated as truth by the CDC, FDA and slimeball Fauci.
What are they afraid of?  Obviously it is fewer people accepting the CoVax shots.  The question is WHY?
After all, they allow people to promote flat Earth theories, that the Holocaust never occurred, that the Apollo Moon landing was fake and so much more.  Why are they especially afraid of what people may say about the CoVax shots?  Might it be because there are so many researchers and MD’s with plenty of bonafides to support their statements that clown circuses like the CDC and fools like Fauci cannot stand up to with equal evidence?  I say yes. 
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Yes. It is perfectly acceptable to argue that the sky is pink or green. Nobody will think it is a misinformation conspiracy to poison the minds of simple people. Erroneous speech should be corrected by more speech. Censorship adds fuel to suspicions: The suspicion that reasonable debate cannot adjudicate the matter because the truth will come out.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
You can’t argue with an idiot. STFU or mockery is the only
valid response to obvious stupidity.
Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Interstingly, flat Earth theories, Holocaust denial, and Apollo moon landing/NASA conspiracies often go hand-in-hand with the antivax movement. All of these things are solidly under the QAnon umbrella, for example.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Tengen
Or not.  Still posting dumb I see.
Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
How is what I said not true, and how did this dopey reply get 6 likes?
FlyNavy1
FlyNavy1
4 years ago
Meanwhile the Ayatollah of Iran is NOT banned from Twitter (800,00 followers) after publicly calling for the destruction of Israel.  Fauci was not banned after originally stating masks were ineffective against COVID.  This is a pure political agenda by the MSM which becomes more obvious by the day.
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Reply to  FlyNavy1
True dat.  It’s no wonder why the jabs don’t work, masks don’t work, nothing works, brandons brain don’t work, 
Think we are doomed
Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago
Reply to  FlyNavy1
Oh great, an anti-Iran warmonger. Imagine if an Israeli (or US) general had gotten the Soleimani treatment. The crying would never stop and calls for destroying Iran would be deafening. Or going back a bit, imagine if someone regime changed the US or Israel because they wanted their own people to be the beneficiaries of their own natural resources.
I’d say Iran is surprisingly civil given what they’ve endured from a corrupt West.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Tengen
But it did happen in 2014 when a man posing as an Afghan soldier shot and killed Gen. Harold Greene in 2014 and wounded 14 others  in Afghanistan. Was he an Iranian agent? Could be and if that were the case you can guess what the reaction would be. Tit for Tat I would expect. Aren’t you the one crying now?
Ziad
Ziad
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Or, maybe Iran had nothing to do with it and he was killed by Afghans unhappy with foreign soldiers occupying their country.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Ziad
Possible too but also possible Iran’s General Soleimani used an Afghan to kill the US general expecting that the tie would remain hidden but it didn’t.
Freebees2me
Freebees2me
4 years ago
We are ALL!!!! on the “woke” list.  Some are further up the list than others, but it’s just a matter of time before they get to each of us – you included MISH!!!
You may disagree?  But would you ever have imagined that we’d be here???
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
4 years ago
The baker did not refuse service, he refused TO CREATE CONTENT!
No one is asking Twitter to create content. Only to respect free speech or at least apply their policies equally regardless of politics.
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike 2112
The baker did not want to be part of a unholy so called wedding.  He wanted no part of it.  Run like hell I say, don’t want to be any part of the devil’s work.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
OMG! Teh Debil was among us! The supernatural bogeyman craves Cake with human soul frosting!
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike 2112

And todays prize for the kookiest thing I’ve read all day goes to you!

Kudos for originally, most kooks just regurgitating Ignorami talking points.
OUdaveguy
OUdaveguy
4 years ago
There’s plenty of morons in Congress, but only one side gets banned from social media for being conspiracy theorists.  Meanwhile, the mainstream media perpetrated utter and complete nonsense about Russia stealing the 2016 election for four years, with zero repercussions or social media bans.  The same media wouldn’t touch the exceptionally grave damage to our national security by Hillary Clinton’s willful circumvention of government servers to conceal her illegal slush-fund, pay-to-play schemes.  And the same media won’t touch Hunter Biden’s laptop from hell, despite overwhelming evidence of crimes and influence peddling.  Social media is following the same, “Rules for thee, but not for me,” that legacy media has lost all its credibility over.  Hopefully these legacy media and social media platforms are abandoned en masse for better service providers that choose not to destroy free speech, welcome everyone but terrorists and felons, make some attempt at objectivity, and value truth/  The price will be a lot of ignorance and unwelcome commentary, but that free speech is worth it.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  OUdaveguy
There’s still morons propagating Russian bounties for American soldiers in Afghanistan, or Russian troops massing within 400 km (50 km from Moscow) from the Ukrainian border. Even though it is obvious knowing and conniving misinformation by the intel and MIC community to sway political sentiments, nobody thinks their tweets should be taken down.
Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago
Reply to  OUdaveguy
Both sides are terrible and sticking up for one side is a complete and utter waste of time. I don’t know what to say for anyone who still believes in the red/blue game.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Tengen
Most people can’t accept that there are no Good Guys, the only rule is
Chaos, and when they die, that’s the end of it.  Generates all manner of
Psychotic behavior.
km72
km72
4 years ago
The comparison in that tweet between a mom and pop bakery in Colorado and a giant communications platform like Twitter or Facebook is absurd.  You believe that it is a private business’s right to do whatever they please but where does it end?  Mish, if tomorrow AT&T (or whoever your internet service provider is) decided that you are posting hate speech online and cut off your service I suppose you would be okay with that because they are a private business?  Like it or not, platforms like Twitter have become essential to modern communication in society today.  You should need a court order to remove someone.  Like you, I’m a libertarian but there are limits and I don’t think you’ve thought this one through.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  km72
Twitter is essential to modern communication?
ATT has the right to monitor my calls?
Are you drunk?
km72
km72
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
C’mon Mish, you’re dodging my question and where did I say anything about AT&T monitoring your calls???  Are you okay with AT&T deciding to cut off your internet service because they don’t agree with something you posted online?  They are a private business after all.  If not, where do you draw the line?
Yes, in the 2020’s social media is the primary mode of communication for many, especially the younger generation.  For example, removing Trump certainly has been effective at preventing him from reaching most of the country/world.  I haven’t heard anything from him in close to a year (not complaining just pointing out that it has become an important form of communication).
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Mish, phone companies have always had the right to monitor calls. You would not believe the amount of blood that can come out of your ears when you monitor a call. Monitoring calls is beyond boring. Here go:
“You going up to uh this weekend?”
“Yeah, with the three.”
“OK. ‘Bout time to see …”
“Right”
“Taking the things?”
“The kid has em”
And so on and on and on and on and on and on and on ….
Hey, consider the cruelty of having to listen to both sides of airport-cell-phone-guy’s conversation.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
AT&T ‘could’ monitor your calls if they were instructed to do so via subpoena.  But the point is moot because all trunk traffic is also copied and routed to the NSA/CIA/Homeland Security, etc.  Are you unfamiliar with room 641A?
km72
km72
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
This all misses the point.  The question I asked Mish was whether or not he would be okay with his internet service provider deciding that they didn’t like what he posted online and cutting off his internet service.  Either Mish misread what I wrote, which would be funny considering he sarcastically asked if I was drunk.  Or, this was a cowardly way of deflecting and trying to avoid the question.  Either way he is not answering the question and it seems pretty clear that he has not really thought this issue through.
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Free speech….lol.  There is no free speech in amerika anymore.  Wake up people, debating about something that left the country years ago.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
Yet here you are, running your stupid mouth on the internet. How can this be?
EGW
EGW
4 years ago
So she tweeted some government kept stats and the establishment didn’t like it so she got banned. Sounds like just another day in social media land.
Greenmountain
Greenmountain
4 years ago
Capitalism – Conservatives love it. Businesses make their own decisions.  The left – rein these money hungry b%^&….  companies in.  Maybe in the real world common sense actually prevails regardless of whether you are left or right.  Gross misinformation is simply not good business as those traveling hucksters found a century ago.  
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
I don’t suffer fools gladly, and Marjorie Taylor Greene is an utter fool, and proof that such people can elected to high office. She’s also trying hard to say whatever the Trump core wants to hear. Maybe kicking her off twitter is anti-free speech, but I take the Oliver Wendell Holmes view on that. No right to shout fire in a crowded Reichstag.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
The problem with all the bans is that they just add fuel to the fire for more conspiracy theorists and other nut cases (both parties).
I don’t know anyone who takes anything on twitter all that seriously. People should be free to post and read whatever they chose. It’s not like any of us are forced to read her postings (ie it’s not like it’s a TV commercial in the 70s and 80s that you could not avoid seeing if you watched TV).
Only the worst offenders should be banned (people who are inciting or attempting to incite violence, race wars etc).
Ignoring them is the best way to get them to go away. Otherwise they just get 10 minutes of fame and a lot of free publicity and more followers.
FWIW, I’m not on any social media platform at all so I have no dog in the fight.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The nutjobs don’t need fuel for conspiracy.  In the absence of knowledge, they can gin them up out of thin air.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
But what if there really is a fire?
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I don’t agree with much of what she believes, but there are comparable politicians on the left who aren’t banned. Maybe twitter needs to have a banner on every post that states only political viewpoints they agree with are allowed instead of stating the posts are disinformation.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Which ones are contributing to an epidemic with their nonsense?
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Non-Sequitor
Mcklaipm
Mcklaipm
4 years ago
Since Covid is now a political event along with receiving a vax that has no long term studies, it will never be accepted.  Go back to the Vice Presidential debates and Harris stated she would never take.  Now if you say anything against the tyrant you will be banned.  If you want to take the vax that should be your decision.  You should not force everyone else to take it.  You should be able to get informed consent before you take any drug.  This requires research and discussions not censorship.
With Fauci the dictator of fake science, you will find ever increasing hesitancy to the vax. 
As a libertarian, you should understand the problem of mandating the vax.
denker
denker
4 years ago
I liked Mish better when he was lambasting Illinois/Chi corruption and profligacy.  Lately i try not to click on his stuff. He moved to Colorado and his politics also turned bluer. The fact is the deaths and injuries from the hastily approved and inadequately tested vaccines are under-reported and hushed up. There is no informed consent if the risks of a medicine or vaccine are not clearly explained to the recipient beforehand. We know this is not only not happening but the rush to inoculate ignores the obligation intentionally.  The noble lie it is dubbed. Get the masses jabbed and the collateral damage is a small price to pay.  I read the above piece with true revulsion. You love your vax Mish. Fine. I have heard too many friends tell me of relatives or acquaintances who keeled over shortly after the jab. This is the crux of Robert Malone’s critique. Informed consent is impossible with what the FDA/CDC/big pharma/govt are doing to gloss over the downside (deaths/injuries).  
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  denker
Mish moved to Utah.
And Illinois is FAR Bluer than Colorado or Utah ever will be.
RoyaleWCheese
RoyaleWCheese
4 years ago
  • Mish wrote:
“Regardless, the issue has nothing at all to do with constitutional rights of free speech.”
I would agree with you if it weren’t for the fact that social media companies have been coerced by the government to do something about misinformation, hate speech (whatever that is) etc. FB, Twitter, Reddit et al were pretty free-wheeling enterprises where anyone could post anything on any topic, no matter how hateful, untruthful or nonsensical. Zuckerberg, to his credit, resisted calls for censorship for quite some time. He succumbed after he was hauled before Congress. The other social media companies got the hint and now censor eagerly. This is a slippery slope. The government has effectively outsourced its censorship desires to the social media companies. Going on about how they are private companies who can restrict content as they see fit completely misses the point. I’m no fan of MTG, but shouldn’t people be allowed to determine for themselves whether her commentary is true or not?
Greenmountain
Greenmountain
4 years ago
Reply to  RoyaleWCheese
Given the amount of right wing entries I read on all social media I think the right is doing just fine.  Stop whining and keep posting.  Another court ruled today – no mandatory vaxes.  You are winning.    Mandatory vaxes are not coming.
RoyaleWCheese
RoyaleWCheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Greenmountain
You are clearly missing the point. It is not a question of the amount of right-wing or left-wing content allowed on social media platforms like Facebook, but rather what constitutes acceptable content and what entity is empowered to bless that content. As km72 pointed out, if a communication company like AT&T decides it doesn’t like you, it could refuse you phone and internet service. You could go to another communication provider, if you weren’t well known, but what if you were well known and your views were deemed unacceptable and ALL communication companies denied you service. Ditto for banking services. Perhaps even medical services. Where does it all end? This is the slippery slope Greenwald was talking about.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  RoyaleWCheese
Actually, ATT has no right to monitor my calls and thus no reason to ban me for anything I say over the phone. That would be illegal wiretapping.
RoyaleWCheese
RoyaleWCheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
You are still missing the point. This has nothing to do with monitoring your calls. They can refuse you service for any reason. If you make an offensive post on FB, they can refuse you service simply because you have shown that you espouse views they find offensive. The same thing holds for banking services. Heck, the same would hold for any service. That is the problem. The government has encouraged this behavior. The media companies are censoring people at the behest of the government. The government isn’t asking the companies to do the censorship directly, but their desires have been made  very clear as Zuckerberg’s testimony before Congress has shown. This is one terrifying slippery slope.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
4 years ago
Reply to  RoyaleWCheese
All you need to fear is the public demanding communism. They silenced Trump because 1) it isn’t bad for business and 2) they think it’s good for the country and therefore them as well. Did they silence Trump so they can next silence you for disagreeing with them? That is awfully paranoid. I get the slippery slope argument, but it isn’t true 100% of the time.

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