Twitter Spirals Into Decline and a Plague of Bots is Totally Out of Control

Musk’s Ultimatum Results in Mass Exodus

On Thursday , Musk told his employees stay with the company “working long hours at high intensity” or quit with three months’ severance pay.

So many quit that Musk closed the office until Monday.

Please consider Musk’s ‘Hardcore’ Ultimatum Sparks Exodus, Leaving Twitter at Risk

Elon Musk gave Twitter Inc. employees an ultimatum to either commit to the company’s new “hardcore” work environment or leave. Many more workers declined to sign on than he expected, potentially putting Twitter’s operations at risk, according to people familiar with the matter.

So many employees decided to take severance that it created a cloud of confusion over which people should still have access to company property. Twitter closed its offices until Monday, according to a memo viewed by Bloomberg.

Musk tried, in the final hours before his deadline, to convince people to stay. Key staff were brought into meetings as the Thursday evening deadline neared to hear pitches on the social network’s future, according to people familiar with the matter. Musk, who had earlier said he was strictly against remote work, also sent a follow-up email Thursday softening his tone.

It wasn’t enough. Twitter’s internal communications channels filled with employees offering a salute emoji, which has become a symbol for departing the company. Former staff tweeted the salute publicly, too, along with their internal Slack messages.

Twitter Decay Underway

Twitter is increasingly vulnerable to hacks, bugs that can’t be fixed, and of course the bot storm.

Musk’s solution so far is to charge 8 dollars for Twitter Blue, now cancelled, fire half the staff, then annoy many of the rest so much that they quite.

Bloomberg reports Twitter Staff Wipeout Under Musk Spurs Fear Site Will Decay

Twitter Inc.’s mass exodus of employees leaves the platform vulnerable to a broad range of malfunctions. The social network will succumb to a major glitch at some point, technologists predict. It’s just a matter of when.

The social network’s staff has shrunk to a fraction of its size since Elon Musk took over at the end of October, through layoffs and resignations. Musk this week asked employees to sign on to a more “hardcore” version of their jobs or leave; astonishing numbers opted out.

Multiple teams that were critical for keeping the service up and running are completely gone, or borrowing engineers from other groups, according to people familiar with the matter. That includes infrastructure teams to keep the main feed operational and maintain tweet databases. #RIPTwitter trended on the site, as users and departed employees predicted an imminent shutdown and said their goodbyes.

The complexity of these systems means they may require constant tweaking, maintenance and institutional knowledge of the way things are set up. Small bugs spiral into bigger bugs if not fixed — and Twitter’s is a system with more than 1,000 micro-services, said one former Twitter employee, who declined to be named talking about internal matters. Bugs must be patched or they spiral into threats for users’ security and data.

Musk Complains About Bots 

Musk does a poll on reinstating Trump and the bots take over.

Lean Nothing

Is the point that Musk cannot fix the problems? I don’t understand the poll in the first place. This is a decision Musk has to make, not a mass of bots. 

I am plagued by respondent bots like these.

The bots following me seem to post coherent replies but if you click on any links they take you to a crypto scam of some sort. 

I am not the only one. Danielle DiMartino Booth has been hit by a Bot Storm.

Bot Storm

#RIPTwitter

Sad Saga 

This is a sad saga. I like Twitter. I get a lot of ideas of things to write about from Twitter. 

Whatever Musk hoped to accomplish with his purchase of Twitter is in shambles. 

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DaveInArizona
DaveInArizona
1 year ago
Never underestimate the greatest living engineer of the age (software and hardware). He’ll probably need to hire back the 10% of software people who were doing 90% of the work for twice what they were earning before. All he has left now are H1B slaves.
Billy
Billy
1 year ago
I think the worst is on you tube and second would be yahoo finance.
I think it’s strange that Danielle has never shown concern on YouTube even though she averages 2 videos a day. Maybe she just knows that any traditional giant online platform has been taken over. It seems that 1/10th on my comments get blocked and 1/4 don’t show up in my history. Almost as if an algorithm allows bots and removes real posts. Almost as if it was done on purpose.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
I’ve been involved in over 100 software development projects. if what the twitter employees say is true, their source code is complete crap and should probably be rewritten from scratch. Keep the current code running while developing something new. Twitter doesn’t do anything complex. I could probably piece something together that does 75% of what it does in a week.
And good luck to the employees trying to find a comparable position at another company. Anyone who produced that pile of garbage probably won’t be able to answer basic interview questions.
Billy
Billy
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
A friend of mine who did coding for Countrywide then BofA constantly complained about immigrants coming from India competing with her. She said they would overwork and would never claim overtime. It became a new culture that everyone was aware of but no one in upper management would agree it was happening. Shortly after they paid based on tasks completed and reduced their employees. Gig workers took over.
Has this happened in your world and don’t you think Elon could do the same with Twitter?
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy
The industry is full of Indian programmers. Most people I interview have college degrees from schools I’ve never heard of. Their education could be made up. I wouldn’t know. They don’t work any harder than anyone else and many are really hard to understand. I would rather hire eastern bloc programmers than Indian ones. Russians are really good programmers. But they can be difficult to work with.
El_Tedo
El_Tedo
1 year ago
My Twitter experience has immensely better the past week.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
A universal, unavoidable, problem of handing all wealth to idiots; or in Musk’s case: People of, at best, an average understanding of Twitter’s business; is that they have no possible means of differentiating between who is a valuable employe/supplier/contractor, versus who is not. So they end up relying on completely useless metrics: Like attempting to hand out Fields’ Medals to people based on who stores the most sleeping bags in his office.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
Real mathematicians are tough, they don’t use sleeping bags.
spinnaker
spinnaker
1 year ago

twitter was a censored liberal cesspool and echo chamber. the same folks who believed in the RUssia Russia collusion hoax are the same people brainwashed to take the lethal and ineffective death jab.funny part is they think they are following “science”. science does not follow your politics unfortunately for you. you got conned bigly and it damaged not only your health, but that of your family and your kids. not so funny now is it? the downside of bogus fact checks and misinformation.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 year ago
Reply to  spinnaker
Not everyone can see 20-20 that life is a giant scam and big conspiracy, can you teach us your ways?
spinnaker
spinnaker
1 year ago
the myocarditis risk is over 4% for kids.. this is from a well run surveillance study looking at cardiac enzyme blood tests in kids with the second Pfizer death jab only that found an almost 3% incidence. VAERS show 1/2 come from the first death jab that wasn’t tested as the death jab was already mandated. btw this study wasn’t done in the US for I am sure very political reasons.
your fact checks say myocarditis is mild… false. myocarditis is NEVER MILD IN A CHILD. it signifies heart cell death. heart cells don’t regenerate leading to permanent scarring, cardiac arrythmias , cardiac death, heart enlargement… Rep Sean Casten who pushed for death jab mandates own 17 year old daughter died after fully jabbed in her sleep of a cardiac arrythmia. He put out a press release saying that physicians are mystified by why she died.. because it of course could not be of the death jab. Sean Casten will die stupid and his daughter died because of politics. Science does not care if you are a dem and control social media with bogus fact checks and spread misinformation.
do you have any other questions? lolz.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  spinnaker
My next door neighbor has had no heart disease history. Got myocarditis after the first booster, and spent a week in the hospital.
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
1 year ago
Imagine wasting your life burning the midnight oil to keep the Twitter servers running for a megalomaniac sociopath rich schmuck. No wonder people bailed.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
Well, I guess you COULD work at 7-11 instead.
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
What kind of argument is that… not one at all. And if the 7-11 job let me be around to see my kids grow up, or spend time pursuing my hobbies, I would take it over pimping my life for a floating turd like Musk.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
7-11 has project managers and coders and system administrators, just like everyone else.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
You don’t do things for the boss. You do things for yourself.
FastFish3
FastFish3
1 year ago
I disagree with your assessment of the situation at Twitter. By firing 90+% of the staff Elon reduces the burn rate significantly and got rid of most saboteurs. The only people talking about the premature death of Twitter are the left (take CBS who said they are quitting Twitter, but then a few days later were back) and they are speculating without hard numbers (more like wishful thinking). Remember Twitter is all over the world and operates in hundreds of languages. No one else is complaining. If the cost structure is cut by say 80% and $8 blue checks bring in reoccurring revenue (SAS is king) and some advertising continues, it may in fact be in the black next year. ROI for Elon may be very weak next year, but the platform has so much reach that expanding the offering, having so many daily users, may in fact make it for him.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  FastFish3
The $8 blue check got cancelled after 2 days, so that probably won’t save them.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago

It is only the beginning. Give him time to work out the bugs.

FastFish3
FastFish3
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
I don’t see any bugs that were not there before he took over.
But, I do agree that it takes time to make things better.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  FastFish3
It was stagnant before Elon took it over. No finally it will be run like a business and not a playground.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Creatives thrive in a miserable work environment!
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Was it not working right? I don’t use it.
johnny
johnny
1 year ago
Great… just great. The only hope to stop the Goebbelsian Blitzkrieg on our FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS and with real democracy pretty much Kaput. The Fascists have seemingly prevailed.
SIEG HEIL you evil M’fkers.
I wonder what the world will be like without an ‘America’.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  johnny
It isn’t manly to get all hysterical and woe-is-me about twitter. Get ahold of yourself, man!
FastFish3
FastFish3
1 year ago
Reply to  johnny
Have hope johnny.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  johnny
Yikes! Who pizzzed in your cornflakes, anyway? LOL
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
It was Twitter corruption that put it in this position in the first place. Facebook and Youtube are politically corrupt as well.
I have watched some Youtube videos by Dr. Chris Martinson and others, in which the extended version of the program had to be held on a different venue, otherwise it was subject to being removed by Youtube, due to the extended version content.
So-called misinformation has been fine with these entities, as long as the misinformation has come from the government.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Twitter is banned in Russia. To me, that means it must bother Vlad so much that he has people like you try to corrupt it with your lies.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I have no trouble accessing Twitter where i live, up the street from the Walt Disney Studios.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Of course, comrade.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
There is a new restaurant going in at the corner of Burbank and Buena Vista, replacing the one which permanently closed due to the Covid lockdown.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Where you eat potato!
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The new Burbank restaurant hasn’t opened yet. Not sure what the cuisine will be.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Is always potato, with vodka so good it make blind!
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
He uses it to weaponize our morons against us, and doesn’t want us weaponizing HIS morons against HIM.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
And which news sources are not corrupted? Lets have a list.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
People throw the word “corruption” around all too easily these days. I think the word you wanted was mismanagement.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
Corruption is the appropriate word. They interfered in the 2020 election.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Where is my list comrade? Where are you getting your uncorrupted news? From Comrade Putin? He reward you with nice potato, ya?
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
There are a number of journalists who work independently, choosing not to be a member of the various propaganda operations.
The mainstream media are afraid of them, as they want to control the narrative.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Who are these secret journalists? Do you keep them in your shirt pocket with the toad you’ve named Sir Edgar Bigglesby?
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
[ROFLOL] I think Russia, China and lot of other entities did also. So they are all also corrupt actors, yes?
Hiking Light
Hiking Light
1 year ago
I’ve literally noticed no difference with the exception of no longer being shadow banned.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
The one burning question, regarding Musk’s attempt to protect the 1rst amendment – Does Musk feel foreign psy-ops, intelligence and propagandists have a 1rst amendment right inside America?
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Psyop. Safe and effective. I am bombarded with that propaganda all day long. Driving in my car, there are as many as 3 Covid shot ads in one break, in between other ads. The propaganda is rather relentless.
The U.S. government produces propaganda and puts it out to us every day through the various media. I believe it was NDAA 2013 that permitted the government to propagandize to the American people. The government wants a disinformation board, so that their disinformation is not contradicted. Safe and effective.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Bombarded by Covid vaccine commercials?
I always have the radio on when I drive.
I can’t remember seeing or hearing a vaccine commercial, what country are you in?
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
United States of America.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Sorry comrade. Tell Vlad I’m not buying what you are trying to sell. You should leave mother Russia before Vlad closes the borders.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I wasn’t aware you were Russian. Hello from Los Angeles.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
On the Radio here in Florida too. Not as many as RonJ is getting in Cali, but in say 40 minutes of total driving a day (morning and evening plus any errands) I’ll hear at least one ad pushing everyone to get their booster shot now that ‘flu’ season is here.
Also see the local Walgreens/CVS have signs out saying they will cover co-pay if you get booster shot etc.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
OK, this makes some sense then, FLA is replete with anti-vaccers, my area is more purple, I literally cannot recall a single commercial.
While in mention, it also bears repeating that almost 2X the number of Covid deaths have been Republican vs Dem in ’21 & ’22.
If we wanted to go full tin hat, we could imply that a “shadow deep state Liberal outfit” has been promoting vaccine theories to kill Republicans.
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Drs. Fareed & Tyson treated over 10,000 Covid patients with HCQ or IVM and had no hospitalizations or deaths, whether one was Republican or Democrat. They have also had almost no Long Covid patients, either, among them.
What bears repeating MacraD, is that the public health agencies effectively obstructed early treatment for most people, which is what really accounts for most of the Covid death rate, coupled with inappropriate hospital treatment, beginning with the dangerous drug, Remdesivir.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
From what i have read, the government put up a billion dollars for advertising. That is a lot of ads. The state and county health departments chime in as well.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
What stations are you guys listening to? AM Talk radio?
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I can remember them at about that frequency when I was listening to radio at work in the early 90s. On a tangent, what in the HECK are you doing listening to radio in 2022? You’ve got an endless, silent DJ there in your phone. I didn’t know there was even anything left on radio but Mexican stations and Art Bell -style whackos…. though I admit Art and Rush were pretty amazing in their early heyday.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Cloud-kookoo land.
astroboy
astroboy
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I live in the DC area. Radio ads about getting vaxxed are pretty common, seem to be a few more lately, in fact. I guess the word isn’t really “ads”. Propaganda to the effect “let’s all get jabbed and beat this thing, comrades!” is a better description. Whatever else you want to say, the covid horse has pretty much left the barn.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
A kook recounts his imaginary experiences…
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Or, a Russian making an assumed statement without realizing how easy it is to debunk?
“there are as many as 3 Covid shot ads in one break”
I drive every day, listen to both AM and FM, can’t remember the last time I heard a Covid vaccine commercial, if ever.
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Come to Los Angeles. I hear them all the time.
104.3 FM, for one.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Nothing so fancy as that? just a common lackwit with no life beyound Qanon Kookery.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
What imaginary kooky experiences are you having?
FastFish3
FastFish3
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Pretty sure, based on his tweets, that he’d say NO.
Problem with all social platforms available in the West, is that anyone can post. Xi could post with the frequency Trump once did, and as long as he didn’t break the rules, it would be fine. Would that not count as pys-ops. So it is hard to keep foreign influence out. But hey, my comments influence followers in Germany, France, UK, Iran and other places. So it is a two way street.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  FastFish3
True of the U.S., unlike Russia, we allow anyone to speak, however, non Americans aren’t covered by the 1rst amendment.
When Prigozhin buys several thousand fake accounts and uses them to spam false information, it’s perfectly fine for the Feds to shut him down.
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Rbm
Rbm
1 year ago

Ole elon needs to quit smoking that cali weed. I havent seen the cleaning house style in years. The new way say nothings going to change. Then slowly change start changing to give the employees time to adjust. If such a simple platform might to have been cheaper to copy. Maybe the last ceo had it figured out. Twitter has flaws as a business model and is not a money generator. Guess time will tell.

Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Rbm
The people that leave will have the ability to build a better one, having built Twitter and learned what was bad about the design.
One of the reasons high level people cost so much is if you don’t pay them, they become competitors.
Born rich Elon had no clue about any of this.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
It will take billions to build out the infrastructure behind Twitter. If it didn’t, Musk could have started a rival company long ago. The coding part is trivial because the app itself could be mostly built by college kids in a few days.
So to become a competitor, you need billions AND then you need to convince everyone to change platforms to the new one. I wonder how many investors are going to pony up billions to build a competitor given Musk didn’t go that route.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Not just that, but the demographics of Social media is downhill, FB and Twitter are diminishing in popularity with younger users.
I’ll just reiterate what’s repeatedly been said here, I think Musk has lost his mind.
If he opens the gates to the elements (like Trump) that Twitter had already removed, Twitter will drive out users who only want basic social interaction and moderates who don’t want the hostilities, hyperbole and conspiracy theories, Twitter will degrade to a renewed 8Chan.
He could have added useful utilities or services, maybe a gaming platform, instead he’s going to charge a fee atop adding elements that have already fed Twitters decline.
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Most Americans will not pay a fee to listen to rants about “Libtards” and “Dumbocrats”, they won’t stay for free either.
There goes the neighborhood.
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
“If he opens the gates to the elements (like Trump) that Twitter had
already removed, Twitter will drive out users who only want basic social
interaction and moderates who don’t want the hostilities, hyperbole and
conspiracy theories, Twitter will degrade to a renewed 8Chan.”
Why would you say that? I’m not on Twitter at all but my understanding is you pick and choose who you follow and what feeds you want. So if you don’t like Trump or some other fringe group why would you follow or subscribe to them. In that case how would you ever see anything they tweet so how could they offend you?
That argument just seems to say I want certain people/groups de-platformed so they can’t talk to each other. That’s exactly what the 1st amendment is about.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Twitter’s algorithm suggests Topics based on what you like.
Let’s say I include “Republican” in my feed and a foreign adversary claiming to be American opens multiple accounts embarking on an echo-chamber of variations of a false story to sway me and millions of other Republicans to vote a specific way, say, in favor of a candidate that will do my country’s bidding?
Or, worse, what if a foreign adversary posing as an American has the power to convince a large group of American’s to murder targeted public officials, disrupt infrastructure or worse….invade and overtake the capitol?
I’m sure you recall studying the “Group-think” experiments in college, or at least know how effective Goebbels’ “Tell a lie often enough…” strategy worked.
There’s a group of Americans that still actually believe the Democratic party is a secret cabal of cannibal pedophiles.
While the Dems have their faults, is this really freedom of speech?.. Using lies to cajole Americans to harm or kill other Americans, or to invoke insurrection at the behest of foreign adversaries?
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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
OMG!
What if the Devil himself creates a bunch of fake accounts promising to fulfill wishes in return for immortal souls?
I guess you just need to learn to think critically, no matter the sources.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Plato’s allegory of the cave
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
He’ll have a frothing pit of kooks to direct to his purposes at that point. Maybe this the real plan: Assume Control of Trump’s Kook Army
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
They built their own data centers, but they didn’t need to. Any cloud provider could handle it. You start cheap, and buy more capacity as you scale up.
The name is the only thing of real value, and Elon’s trashing that.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I think Twitter suddenly has more traffic than it ever did.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Very good view on what is possible and what is not.
Avery
Avery
1 year ago
The fired twits can apply for strikebreakers at SBUX. They already have the man-buns and neck beards.
xbizo
xbizo
1 year ago
Can’t wait to see Musk’s book on the Tales of Twitter.
If you had a personal objective and the means to establish a beachhead inside the media industry in order to attack bias and censorship, how would you go about it?
If you took over a company of 7,000 employees that might have over 4,000 saboteurs, how would you fix that?
How powerful and influential will the end company be if successful?
How long do you think he has been working on this? I am guessing the plan is well thought out.
I think we have a NYT bestseller coming in 2024…
Denver1
Denver1
1 year ago
Sadly, Mish and millions of others who loved Twitter’s managed truth are in a twitter. Mish, the Great Awakening of twitter will not be achieved in a matter of hours. As Twitter was the primary PR department of President Obama’s Justice and FBI it will be weeks before the turnaround can be achieved, if ever.
I logged in the first time in five years and everything for me seemed just great this AM, especially the extensive reports on the Colorado Springs homicides were much more factual than the Beltway media.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Denver1
A Twitter worshipper. Surreal.
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
1 year ago
Reply to  Denver1
How many lives would have been saved at Uvalde if Texas cops were half as brave as Colorado gays?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Denver1
What did you find there about Colo Springs that wasn’t reported elsewhere?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
IMHO, creating a platform where true freedom of speech exists will be a game-changer in the social media world. An interchange for all ideas might even change society in meaningful ways. However, the transition will not be easy. The left will not give up their monopoly of controlling all thought without a fight. However, the timing could not be better–a world in disarray with potential conflict looming…
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I’m very glad to see this transpire. What I hope Elon does is to make public anything he finds that shows how bad things were. However, I’m guessing his $15B personal stake may make that very unlikely. Like you, I’m cautiously hopeful he succeeds, but it’s going to take a while and may include bankruptcy.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
“IMHO, creating a platform where true freedom of speech exists will be a game-changer in the social media world.”
What about 8chan?
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Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
People will continue to make fun of your kooky ideas.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Twitter is in shambles like the Russia economy is in shambles… (i.e. it’s not)
A big clash between Free Speech Musk and the anti-speech wokerati at Twitter was inevitable. And those leftists are now out of a job. Them’s the breaks. The reality is that the Twitter platform isn’t exactly advanced technology so I don’t expect Musk to have any problem getting equivalent (and likely far cheaper) software engineers from India or somewhere to run the show. Expect an Indian development center to pop up quite quickly.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
Russia is in recession now. You can’t wish that away, but you’ll suddenly get very interested in telling us about Hunter Biden’s laptop.
Russia will be in full blown depression this time next year. Not that you can really tell in that corrupt hellhole.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Hunter Biden didn’t have a laptop.
The only thing with a screen he is capable of using by himself is an Etch-A-Sketch.
General Ripper
General Ripper
1 year ago
My son is a code writer/software engineer. He gets contacted by recruiters all the time. My point is these Twitter employees will be able to get a new job in no time and pocket the 3 month severance. Remote or on site.
Elon, you didn’t think this thru baby!
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  General Ripper
For a lot of these twits, they’re going to find it quite difficult to find a new job. 95% of them are not high-end coders.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  General Ripper
The tech sector has been in a bubble just like everything else. See what happens when the dust settles in a year or so.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  General Ripper

So they get a new job somewhere else? You can hire new ones and use some from his other companies. Twitter is not rocket science.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Exactly right.
Twitter is Big Data science, in some ways more complex than rocketry.
There still aren’t a lot of MapReduce knowledgeable Hadoop developers around.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
With the money saved from payroll reduction he can hire the best developers and give them stock options that have a good chance of getting the hitting the jackpot. Twitter’s stock had been stagnating for years.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  General Ripper
Why do you think Musk cares where they go?
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
In US Nixon I and Nixon II are enemy of the state. Saint LBJ isn’t. Ilan reinstated # II. The other side herd together, imitated each other and gang on Ilan to destroy him and his assets. They flipped from Tesla fans to orders cancellations. If Mish join Twitter they will attack him too. Our democracy was saved on Nov 8. Ilan have bumps on his face, more than Biden, because his homes and offices might be raided any day. He might be handcuffed in front of CNN. Ford and GM will salivate.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
There are random number generators, but you are the first random word generator that I’ve encountered. It’s an art, and quite enertaining! LOL
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
1 year ago
I’m still not going to join Twitter. And it has nothing to do with Musk. I’m not a fan of the concept of social media.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
So, why are you here?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I come for $hits and giggles, a social media term: link to urbandictionary.com
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Antisocial Network
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
I joined for 10 days just before the election. If Facebook is too much coffee, Twitter was a non-stop meth binge. I cancelled the account and removed the password from my Last Pass. I looked into the face of addiction and blinked.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Musk have bumps on his right face. Programmers massacre just started. Twitter will be the only outlet with open jobs, He might get the
best of the unemployed and out of college.
If the Dow will lurch down the Twitter community will have a lot to say
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
I have no doubt that there are plenty of no-b.s. programmers who will be more than happy to work there.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Trump back on Twitter. My suspicion is Musk is hoping that Trump brings back eyeballs to the site and that advertisers follow increased activity.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
That’s exactly what it is. Twitter will start surviving on gerontological supplements and penis pills. It’s a solid business if you can attract that kooky, impotent crowd.
Jackula
Jackula
1 year ago
This is what happens when one buys a company that has been politicized thru and thru and the workers politics don’t align with the new owner’s. It is a bit early yet to see what happens and if/when this mess gets under control. Obviously past leadership/management are doing their best to burn the house down on their way out …
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Jackula
If you were handed the ultimatum they were, you’d just let yourself be exploited, burned out, and laid off?
You Q nuts are serfs.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I would have had my resume updated and out on the street before the second email arrived.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The people there were paid well. They were never promised a lifetime sinecure.
pkk077
pkk077
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
May be it was a test to see who are the employees worth betting on.This is happening all over in the tech industry. Good times are over – shape up or ship out.
zimminy
zimminy
1 year ago
I’m sure Musk would be much happier having every single disgruntled employee leave rather than having them stay around causing division in the company. 3 months Severance pay is nothing if you’ve worked for the company for several years. This is a much cheaper alternative than firing them and having to give out full severance pay. I have no doubt there are allot of people who would love to work for a non politically motivated Twitter.
Starting and running one large world class company is an amazing feat if you do it once in a lifetime, how many times has Musk now done it? I’m sure all of the drama and chaos happening at Twitter is a minor inconvenience in Musks mind. The mountains he had to climb to make both SpaceX and Tesla successful were both Software and Engineering feats. Twitter is just software and probably much less of a challenge for him.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  zimminy
I agree it’s always better to have disgruntled employees leave no matter how bad the short term pain is (the same goes in the sports world when teams get rid of team cancer players).
Actually Twitter may prove to be the biggest challenge of all. Tesla and SpaceX are just engineering feats so once solved, they are essentially done. Twitter on the other hand will require constant attention and innovation. The reason is because it’s based on human emotion in that people can decide tomorrow they like something else better or don’t like Twitter at all and then it’s done. In other words Twitter has to keep hitting it out of the park in the same way a trendy music band has to keep hitting it out of the park with new releases to stay relevant.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
That’s a good analogy. Facebook is starting to look like Bobby Goldsboro. Bobby’s rocking an incredible wig in his Wikipedia picture from 2010, and that wig represents Meta.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Yeah, I shake my head at his Twitter involvement. Makes little sense to me. From what I can tell, I think SpaceX will utterly drawf everything else in Musk’s portfolio. I have fairly deep telecommunications background, and I very strongly think Starlink will become the biggest company the world has ever seen, and will make Musk into a multi-trillionaire.

Dirty little secret: Starlink ain’t about giving Bubba in East Nowhere, Kansas a faster Pornhub connection. Rural broadband is only the first layer of the onion, and there are more layers to come than anyone can count, or even conceive of. And no, I am far from a Musk worshipper. I think this because I know the technology and have observed SpaceX actually getting ‘er done.

Business Man
Business Man
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I would love to hear your insight on this, as I have almost no knowledge in this field. I think the vision here would be very revealing while at the same time incredibly interesting.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Business Man
This is what makes Starlink different:
1. The satellites are 300 miles up, not 22,500 miles up. This eliminates latency and jitter as significant problems. People in less-accessible locations can use the wi-fi calling feature on their smart phones and have very good service.
2. There are now 3,000+ satellites, and the company says there will be 44,000. Starlink will be worldwide. Their satellites will be better and cheaper all the time. Capacity will be enormous.
3. The frequencies work (much to my surprise, by the way).
Rural telecom is the first application, and Starlink is a huge plus there because of the low latency and high bandwidth. This isn’t a matter of Americans in “cell holes,” but will be huge in the developing world where cellphone use is vastly more common than wireline, and cellular coverage is spotty to put it mildly. One-way and two-way video will also be big markets. Various forms of telemetry will be the next big app. Remember Iridium, the satellite network with the sat phones? Starlink actually works. I wonder if there’ll eventually be direct cellphone links.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
I wouldn’t be too worried about Twitter losing software talent. Every other software is so full of bugs and hacks, it’s a surprise it runs most of the time. Apple, Oracle, Microsoft rolling out regular patches as if the whole system was redone.
What can be too complicated about textual tweets with small images?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
The bigger issue is whether Twitter programmers installed Doomsday code before their departure.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Boy that would be fun to see play out.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Nobody builds a doomsday code: they are too lazy to do that, and it would be found in the first week. Elon owns the source code.
Now, NSA monitoring every tweet, that’s a different story.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
We all do it. Just not intentionally… but you still gotta keep us around.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
It’s call job security by other name.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Zardoz, are you still coding in Cobol and RPG?
longjohn119
longjohn119
1 year ago
What makes you think Elon actually knows anything about coding?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  longjohn119
He wrote the code for Zip2, and turned his $9,300 stake into $22 million in four years. I think he knows how to write code, or I will presume so.
LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
Personally, if I were a shareholder in any of his other companies I’d be livid. Let’s face it – Tesla is Musk and Musk is Tesla. How much is this costing shareholders?
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
I’m literally wondering if Musk had head injuries recently, makes no sense.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
We will know Musk is successful when we see excerpts from the Hunter Files on Twitter. If you’ve seen samples, you’ll know that liberal heads will explode.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I absolutely cannot wait for Hunter’s laptop to be revealed, rumor has it there’s some really kinky porn on that bad Larry.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I really do not want to see kinky porn starring Hunter Biden. There’s much better stuff on PornHub.
LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I’ve been waiting to see this Hunter Biden laptop too. They’ve been hyping it for 3 years now? Somebody wake me when the contents are finally released!
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
It’ll be just like the return of JFK !
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
I thought Tesla became ridiculously overvalued, so I made about 60% on an options trade earlier this year. Time will come when TSLA shares are a screaming buy. Not quite yet, but the company is executing well. I say that as someone who doesn’t like the cars. But I don’t have to.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Rocket scientists are stuck with Elon. He doesn’t realize that’s why they let him treat them that way. Software engineers, not so much.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Have been tempted to apply for one of the roles posted for Tesla.
No sir – never will I ever work for this guy.
Narcissist, coke snorting, and full of himself.
This debacle has to start affecting his other companies long term.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
A couple years ago I admired the guy… but it looks like I fell prey to marketing.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The media narrative on Musk has changed from love to hate, now that he challenges their self-appointed authority over what information people see and hear. You loved him when the media told you to love him, and now you hate him when the media tells you to hate him. Why do you, like so many people, allow the media to drag you around by the nose?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
It is remarkable how quickly my liberal acquaintances have switched from worshiping Musk the genius to sticking pins in him, when all he is doing is pursuing freedom of speech/thought.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The hero of the story ends up being the villain if he lives long enough.
20+ years ago before the advent of social media Musk would have flown under the radar forever much like Gates did in the 90s. In other words he’d have been known for being rich and starting a successful company and that’s it.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
He could do that now if he had any sense at all. Looks like another Chauncey Gardner made to the top.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
He WAS making starships and super fast cars. Now he’s groveling for attention like trump. Facts are facts, and there are no alternative facts. You have brain damage from huffing trump
Farts.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Yep, and only your antifa friends are allowed to do that. LOL
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
I think this is why so many of our college-age kids have nose rings.
It’s a public affirmation that they are ready to be lead around by the nose – by anyone.
longjohn119
longjohn119
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I always thought Elon was a flake ….. Phony as a 3 dollar bill
People act as if Elon actually did all the engineering at Tesla and SpaceX when in reality he just oversaw other people doing the actual work.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  longjohn119
To be a bit more specific Elon simply provided the environment, the infrastructure, the payroll and the coordination/management, so other people had a place and the means to do actual work.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  longjohn119
So Henry Ford did the engineering on the Model T?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You admired him until it turned out that he’s not a “progressive.”
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb

Never really thought much of the guy.

He was just the right guy in the right place at the right time.

He could have been many people.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
How long before the loans that were used to buy twitter get called ? Popping my popcorn now.
longjohn119
longjohn119
1 year ago
My guess is he will “Pull a Trump” file bankruptcy and stiff all his creditors
It’s the American Way ……
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
It’s beginning to appear that Musk’s goal in buying twitter was to free people from the liberal control of misinformation and propaganda.
It would be interesting to see Musk run an unofficial 2020 election validation poll after he cuts all these bots out of his personally owned platform. Nobody can get in his way of this goal now. And Musk will not be easily tricked or put off by clever gamesters because he is one.
I would like to see nonbot members of twitter be provided with a ballot just like they should have received in their state election. He could let the results be seen in real time, unlike the completely opaque process we have now. After 5 days, shut it down and then compare the twitterpol results to the liberal democrat run US selection results. IF they are the same within some reasonable statistical margin, say as loose as even 1%, conservatives need to accept that the official elections are essentially valid regardless of the fact that some people are already going to jail right now for election fraud. I don’t care much about a few ballot stuffers if it doesn’t rise to the level of effecting change in the uncheated outcome.
On the other hand, if there is a 5, 10, 20% delta between the twitterpol and the US elections, well, the dem elections will be known by everyone to be completely corrupted and nobody should trust them without some massive reforms.
This suggestion is MORE than fair because, let’s face it, many more liberals hang out on the liberal echo chamber which twitter has been than conservatives. Conservatives who go there have a reason, like politics, business, networking, etc. So they go if there is a need. But the only reasons liberals need to go there is to present their opinions as fact. So these twitterpols *should* easily be controlled by the liberals. And if the liberals can prove that the twitterpol matches the official election results, conservatives just need to accept that the elections are reasonably fair and then STFU up election fraud.
Seems like a pretty fair proposal to me. Hmm. Is $8 per month the new poll tax? Hmmm.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
It’s beginning to be clear that musk is an idiot that got lucky with inherited money.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Exactly how much did he inherit when his parents are still alive? His father did invest $28K inZip2, but that seems to be all.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
As usual, the liberals actually believe that their opinions are the same as facts. Because they don’t like musk’s move away from cray cray haters on the left toward conservatives on the right, all of a sudden he is a lazy rich kid who inherited a fortune instead of the most productive man of the 21st century.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
It’s also beginning to be clear that Musk inherited an extremely stupid and gullible general population.
You can’t fix stupid.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
His father gave a total of $28,000 to him, his brother, and another guy to start inZip2. Elon Musk held 7% of the shares, and got $22 million when Compaq acquired it four years later. The year Compaq avquired inZip2, Musk founded X.com, which turned into PayPal. When PayPal sold out to EBay three years later, Elon Musk got $176 million.
So he turned one-third of $28,000 into $198 million in 7 years. Pretty solid IRR, I’d say. Look, guy, I think Musk is more than a little bit erratic, but if you think he’s not a highly accomplished businessman, the problem is staring you in the face every morning when you shave.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Yep, his father gave him $9,300 to start a software company along with his brother and another guy. Seven years later, Musk was worth $200 million. Face it, you’re just another liberal who hates anyone who isn’t, to the point that you will lie about theml. So typical of your kind.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
Musk does not have enough employees left to delete the accounts of folks who just left on Thursday evening, never mind make improvements
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
I do recall when all the lying liberals said if trump won they would leave the US forever. Never happened. Liberals talk talk talk but it’s all just talk. Anyone leaving twitter because musk took over needs to be gone. Remember, twitter is not a charity that people get up and go to each day. IT pays a good high tech salary. There are always going to be people that want to work hard and get well paid, even in today’s liberal leaning parasitic society.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
I think the big risks are in the techie nuts and bolts. We’re going to learn whether Musk made contingency plans before doing his bull in the china shop thing. If he did, Twitter will make it. If not, Twitter won’t be here in a year. They’ll be able ride out the disapproval of the liberal bedwetters, but only if the machines work.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
It’ll be interesting to see how it works out. I think Musk should have paid the $1 billion non-performance fee and walked away, but I wouldn’t count him out. I find it fascinating that, within only days of his firing half the company, other high-tech California companies announced deep layoffs. It tells me that all of high-tech has had a major overstaffing and self-entitlement problem. If I were backed into a corner and forced to make a bet, I’d bet on Musk fixing Twitter, but I wouldn’t bet the ranch. Only a head or two.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Lots of stories of bloat from the valley. Too much hiring over last 5 years and not much actual company growth.
Am convinced company could survive with cuts but there is core # employees to keep the lights on.
With the growth Musk seem to want though he will need more than to keep the lights on.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
…And Trump was just reinstated to Twitter.
Oh yes, I wanna pay a monthly fee to read how often my neighbor walks her dog, get stalked by Russiabots and read the latest of Trump’s spastic angry insults.
There’s just not enough of that elsewhere on the interwebs.
.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Probably won’t even show up. The last of the barrel scrapings…
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Forget Trump. Musk’s goal is freedom of speech–all speech, not just liberal speech.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Freedom of speech for foreign adversaries as well?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Yes, for all.
Unless you are willing to decide which are adversaries and which are not, and let us all know your decisions in a timely fashion.
Raymond_Flagstaff
Raymond_Flagstaff
1 year ago
Musk just another ticket taker. Hard pass

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