October 15 or ‘Move On’
The UK left the EU on January 31. The terms of Brexit allowed for a temporary deal, a complete package with a framework, or a WTO fallback deal frequently described as “hard Brexit”.
The UK and EU have until the end of this year to do something or a WTO hard Brexit kicks in.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson is fed up with EU demands on fishing rights, immigration, and state aid.
Today, Johnson laid it on the line. His latest stance is October 15 or ‘Move On’
“If we can’t agree by then, then I do not see that there will be a free trade agreement between us, and we should both accept that and move on,” he will say, according to comments released by his office.
If no deal is agreed, Britain would have a trading relationship with the bloc like Australia’s, which would be “a good outcome”, Johnson will say.
“As a government we are preparing, at our borders and at our ports, to be ready for it,” he will say. “We will have full control over our laws, our rules, and our fishing waters.”
EU Overestimates Its Hand, Again and Again
Once again the EU overestimated its hand.
The EU never thought the referendum would pass. When it did pass the EU never thought that the UK would actually leave or if it did, then leaving would be EU terms.
Even after the landslide election, the EU was sure Johnson would not walk away, because it was 27 nations vs. 1 and supposedly 27 nations have the advantage.
Lesson of the Day
When 27 nations have to agree to something to get it done, guess what? It doesn’t get done.
Either the EU bends on fishing rights and other rule changes or the UK walks.
The UK needs to get as far away from the EU nannycrats as possible.
There is still time for a deal, but but it will not be the one-sided affair envisioned by the EU.
Kudos to Boris Johnson for his stance.
Mish
Seriously Mish, I like you a lot and have been reading you for years but on Europe, like most american folks, you have no clue at all. We can’t care less about what Britain will decide, we have already moved on. I can’t wait to pick the 2nd homes Brits will resell at a cheap price.
True on what various “europeans” think and very funny at the same time. Not long ago it was all about building and selling as much as possible, in some countries mostly to brits… and now you cannot wait to buy the property at discount from those who feel unwelcome, in spite of large backlogs of unsold property in some countries. A lesson in how to sell a country and then re-conquer it, without ever wondering how corrupt your own manners are. Carry on, but one country will not have your back when the shafters appear, not that some on the continent would mind that.
Actually though I think your view represents a small minority, even if most people are just not all that concerned in europe. How it should be, because they might get round eventually to scrutinising what should concern them, their own countries and EU.
WHY would they sell in the first place ?? We all had a life BEFORE the EU, ‘exits’ (the more the better) won t change that, despite vultures like you hoping for bargains to produce ….
Many people here seem to think that the only option is a fairweather PARASITIC INSTITUTE composed of worthless, grossly overpaid, mostly failed national politicians, pedantically making decisions based upon equally grossly overpaid crony’s consulting firms taking into account well paying multinationals’ interests…..PATHETIC …and yes I know similar things happen on a national level too, but that doesn t mean we need a motley umbrella organisation on top op that, does it ?
I live in the USA.
I thought Brexit was idiotic and I still think so.
But, some Brits (old, white) think they are special.
I think the eventual fallout will be: united Ireland, Scotland exit.
But, then, England will be able to sell bananas in pounds and not be forced to price in kilos.
Many thought the same about America’s desire to leave the British Empire.
Some people don’t value sovereignty and freedom, for others it is “give me liberty or give me death”.
I can see Scotland leaving the UK in order to suck at the EU teat, but you are wrong about Ireland, Ulster has the option to leave the UK but only by reuniting with the Republic of Ireland, and that would mean being back in the EU but not independent. I would like to see the nation reunited after almost 1000 years of English occupation, but I do wish Ireland were not part of the EU, it is no longer a place I wish to live in.
Boris Johnson is drawing up legislation that will override the Brexit withdrawal agreement on Northern Ireland, a move that threatens the collapse of crunch talks which the prime minister has said must be completed within five weeks.
Johnson will put an ultimatum to negotiators this week, saying the UK and Europe must agree a post-Brexit trade deal by 15 October or Britain will walk away for good.
But progress on the already fragile talks will be threatened by plans revealed on Sunday for the UK government to publish a controversial section of the internal market bill on Wednesday that will intentionally try to unpick parts of the withdrawal agreement signed in January. It will include elements of the special arrangements for Northern Ireland that are legally binding.
The majority of people of British descent live somewhere else. Big hint. The few that remain in that grey and decrepit class ridden place delude themselves that they are still important.
Not important, just adeventurist and outward looking, hence so many abroad.
A lot were “exported for the good of England” , others fled famine, others were looking for new opportunity. That so many now choose to leave or not return, that there is such a large influx of foreign nationals that fill the country in their place and then some, is disconcerting though. It’s a very plural and friendly country in spite of the headline themes, very beautiful as well at times, when its not both cold and raining 🙂 .
I’m sorry Mish but the coverage of this issue on this site is exceedingly poor. The Boris is leading the UK into are deep deep hole.
Don’t take my word on it. http://eureferendum.com/
A half decade long blog from somebody wanted UK independence and then has been completely dismayed at the result. Sort of like your support for Trump and then realisation that he was not the leader you had hoped him to be.
You will get a different slant on proceedings depending on what news media you read. Boris has made it clear since the beginning of the year the UK do not want an extension to the end of year deadline. The EU do want an extension and said as much at the outset. It takes both sides to agree a way forward and I suspect the UK government have got the vibes that no agreement is likely as things stand. Hence the forthright stance being put forward by Boris.
Clearly an agreement of some sorts is better than no agreement, but we have a good history of getting nowhere negotiating with the EU, which is why we ended up having a referendum in the first place.
Of course the current World Depression will make it impossible to assess the impact of leaving on WO terms or not. Both the EU & the UK are going to have many problems to deal with.
It depends what you expected from leaving EU. Personally, not a lot except that British legislature would return to full sovereignty, which is actually pivotal to just about everything else.
Spoken like a true nannycrat who wants the UK to be under the thumbs of the EU permanently.
According to a Bloomberg guest today, the Johnson stance is much ado about nothing, that will negatively impact the UK, and in a couple of years time the UK will come crawling back to the EU begging for a deal. We’ll see. The UK is becoming more and more irrelevant everyday anyway.
UK exit is intended to have no way back. One reason the EU is acting as it is is to maintain an easy path back. UK doesn’t need to be relevant – 60M people in 6.8Bn says it all. Just need to prioritise the country over giving away controls that have 400M other people they prioritise.
The future is small and decentralised.
Well said. And this: “Small Is Beautiful: A Study of Economics As If People Mattered is a collection of essays by German-born British economist E. F. Schumacher. The phrase “Small Is Beautiful” came from a principle espoused by Schumacher’s teacher Leopold Kohr The concept is often used to champion small, appropriate technologies or polities that are believed to empower people more, in contrast with phrases such as “bigger is better”.
I personally, as an American living overseas, prefer bigger is better, but even Americans are thinking small these days.
Time to update your population estimate C-A, current global population is 7.8 billion and rising.
Not too sure about small and decentralized, seems like Balkanization always led to problems in the past, but then so have large and central like the USSR, and we know the EU is a blob of nothing good at all, a pointless goal free enforcer of hyper liberal policy which clearly does not fit all. Some nations just do not feel secure on their own and want to be part of a mothering union, Scotland comes to mind, joined with the UK in 1707 and now wants to break away to rejoin the EU. I read last week that for the first time a majority of Scots wants to leave to return to the EU.
They should be free to do as they wish, I mean I think the EU is a horror and failure and will end in tears, but if that is what the people want let them go. To me the entire idea of the EU is summed up in the architecture of the Scottish parliament building. Absolute vandalism of the land it sits upon.
As routinely pointed out there is a huge gap in ‘values and standards’ between northern EU and southern. Which is partially mirrored in the southern US; particularly with reference to race.
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Most obvious in the south Europe being the gap between the elite who, being of ex-Fascist and Islamic origin make the decisions and the oiks who, as for centuries, must accept these decisions or emigrate.
It seems incredible that the retarded southern EU can sign up to EU workplace rules and regulations based upon the evolved EU’s two centuries (such as the UK’s) development in workers Rights yet, even today tens of millions of lifetime employees are not even, and never have been, “on the books”. They still have no workers Rights! Never having existed in the workplace they still have no pension, no sickness benefit – nothing to get them through Covid19.
Brexit is in part is about the British getting pig sick of this endless pretence to follow Fundamental Rights and Freedoms – particularly obvious in the stunningly retarded “Contra os Bretoes” Portugal.
The Portuguese ? The Portuguese are in their own realm, they are much less fond (in terms of nation) of the Spanish, the French, the Americans (assassinating presidents) . The Brits gave the Portuguese the excuse or reason to rebuff them with the British ultimatum, which was also part of the reason of overthrow of the Portuguese monarchy. The oldest standing treaty of friendship is between the British and Portuguese.
“Para Inglês ver” ? For the brits to see, and very amusingly the previous vice consul here wrote that they liked the brits so much they even had a phrase to celebrate that… as in saving the best for the brits… when the phrase actually goes back to hiding slavery in Brasil to make it look like they were fitting in with British demands of abolition…i.e. hoodwink . The Portuguese are cunning that way (not to cheat but to protect their own).
French bureaucracy, elements in Spain, are much more hostile to the british, including from the left and “EU” .
Not sure how the EU thinks Barnier is doing a good job. They will learn the hard way.
Barnier is getting pushed aside as we speak.
I miss Avidremainer.
He went into a cave to cry after Brexit went into effect and never came out
You’re probably right. For his sake, I hope the cave is in Scotland and used to age Scotch.
…..or his “influencer” contract expired on election night.
It’s refreshing to see the leader of a country stand up for its citizens and it’s sovereignty, but that automatically makes him a racist, right?
Don’t particularly trust him but he’s no racist, no homophobe etc. A bit too Liberal perhaps but not evil. Yet to see what balls he really has.
Let the smear campaign commence.
Yes he is everything that is wrong with your life.