Virginia opted to go along with California’s effort to get rid of gasoline-powered vehicles. Glenn Youngkin, a Republican, wants to undo the damage of the his predecessor. 
Glenn Youngkin’s Plan to Save Gas Cars
Voters in the Virginia elections will decide if the GOP can repeal an EV mandate dictated by California.
The Wall Street Journal comments on Glenn Youngkin’s Plan to Save Gas Cars
Virginia’s odd-year statehouse elections are now less than three weeks away, and Democrats want to make the argument all about abortion. That’s because Gov. Glenn Youngkin has a strong approval rating, and they’d prefer not to talk about the popular things he could do if Republicans win unified control of Richmond.
Two years ago Democrats in the General Assembly passed a law to adopt California’s vehicle-emissions standards. Signed by then-Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam, it essentially lets progressive regulators on the California Air Resources Board (CARB) dictate the kinds of cars Virginians can drive.
Under the federal Clean Air Act, California is allowed to set its own standards for tailpipe pollutants, which other states may follow. The Environmental Protection Agency under Presidents Obama and Biden has interpreted this authority broadly, and last year CARB declared sales of new internal-combustion engine cars would be banned in the Golden State by 2035. EVs must make up 35% of auto makers’ sales by 2026 and 68% by 2030. Under Mr. Northam’s law, Virginia is obligated to follow its mandates.
Electric vehicles are less than 0.5% of cars on Virginia’s roads, though they were about 10% of the state’s sales for the first quarter of this year. Here’s the rub: Tesla currently makes up most EV sales. If this trend continues, other auto makers may soon have to reduce deliveries of gas-powered cars to meet the mandate.
Democrats say the policy will increase consumer choice, but unsold EVs are already piling up on dealer lots. The mandate will limit choices for Virginians who want gas cars, and they may pay higher prices due to restricted supply. Mr. Youngkin, who understands economics, is pushing to undo the 2021 law.
This year the House of Delegates passed a repeal bill, but Democratic state Sen. Monty Mason blocked it from getting out of his committee. At the moment Democrats hold a narrow majority in the Senate, and Mr. Mason is running for re-election in a competitive district around Williamsburg. Mr. Youngkin carried the district by 3.4 points in 2021.
Hoping for a Republican Renaissance in Virginia Led by Governor Glenn Youngkin
On August 11, 2023, I wrote Hoping for a Republican Renaissance in Virginia Led by Governor Glenn Youngkin
What Happened?
At a September 28 2021 Gubnatorial debate, Democrat Terry McAuliffe bluntly declared: “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”
Youngkin took that pitch and hit a home run. Youngkin promised more accountability, more charter schools, and an end to critical-race indoctrination.
espite Biden and Kamala Harris traversing the state in support of McAuliffe, Youngkin went on to win the election.
I know little of Youngkin other than he won Virginia with a good message on education. Also, he is young, smart, doesn’t strive to belittle people, and is working hard in Virginia to get out the early vote instead of Trump’s preferred tactic of complaining about it.
It is beyond stupid for any state to cede policy to nut cases in California.
I have now seen enough to know that I support Glenn Youngkin for President.
The country could easily unite around Youngkin.
Glenn Youngkin for President
To repeat, Youngkin is young, smart, doesn’t strive to belittle people, and is working hard in Virginia to get out the early vote instead of Trump’s preferred tactic of complaining about it.
He also has a sensible policies on energy and education.
That’s an excellent start. It wont happen, but I prefer Youngkin over any of the Republican candidates running.
Honestly if we are getting serious about anything, it should start with reducing the population base. The only way to do that is to do what China did with 1 child policy. This is why India passed China years sooner than expected in population. This is nothing to be proud of. Growth is not the answer to humankind’s problems. We need to focus on improving quality of life for the living and reduce the number of people born per capita.
Already happening in most Advanced Economies. China’s plan was a massive failure and will cause catastrophic collapse of their economy if they don’t fix it.
As economies advance, their birth rate slows. Stop burning everything in sight for energy and that will help out tremendously.
Japan, S. Korea and others are already declining birth rates and will have economic struggles in the near future because of it.
From an economics point of view, this is where stranded assets come in. The FF economy will go into a shock state at some point from the decrease in use of FFs. We protect ourselves by pulling our money out before this happens.
The World Has Already Crossed a ‘Tipping Point’ on Solar Power
Solar is set to overpower fossil fuels as the dominant electricity source globally by 2050, according to a new study. It’s also getting cheaper.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-19/solar-energy-has-crossed-a-global-tipping-point-study-finds
Solar power is set to dominate global electricity markets within the next few decades, and may have already reached an “irreversible tipping point,” according to a study published this week in Nature Communications. The study finds that solar adoption will continue apace barring any major policy shifts geared at disrupting it.
“If you don’t put any additional policy in your system, you still get a switch or a flip,” says Femke Nijsse, a lecturer at the University of Exeter who focuses on energy-systems modeling and was lead author on the study. “We currently have a fossil fuel-dominated system and without additional policies, we arrive at a state that’s dominated mostly by solar.”
Yes. Solar will dominate electricity generation by 2050. Agreed.
However, electricity consumption is currently just 20% of global energy consumption. Renewables produce almost one third of that, or less than 7% of global energy.
Optimistically, lets say that electricity consumption grows from 20% to 30% of all energy consumed by 2050 and that renewables provide 80% of that energy. Which means renewables will grow from 7% to 24% of all energy generation. Still a small number. After 27 more years of build out.
Fossil fuels currently provide 80% of global energy, the same percentage as 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago etc. This percentage will eventually decline. Lets be optimistic again and say from 80% to 60% by 2050. But overall energy demand will be 50% higher by then. So we will still be using a lot of fossil fuel; in particular natural gas. Probably more fossil fuel overall than today.
Your optimism is misplaced. We are not going to slow, let alone stop global warming. No matter how hard we try.
I do agree that we have to try though. Slowing the problem gives us time to maybe come up with some miracle solutions. But stop believing that renewables and EVs are the solution. They are not going to make much difference. At least not in our lifetimes.
In my lifetime, my focus, like almost everyone else, is on how to improve my own personal life. And for my investments, that means oil and gas stocks. Because the demand for oil and gas continues to grow.
AGW is a driving force behind a lot of gov policies. As the FF influence wains, Repubs will have less incentive to get behind FFs. Young Repubs like RE and will be another driver of RE expansion. Economically solar is getting cheaper and FF will lose gov support. Its a tipping point coming soon to a theater near you.
Sorry. I am not willing to wait 30 years for solar to dominate anything. I have to invest today, with a 10 year horizon at most.
I don’t care about the politics much. They have been talking about this for decades. And will keep talking for many more decades.
You are way too optimistic.
It is the necessary thing needed right now in society. I’ll let someone else take care of my money in the market. I have work to do.
That Math is horrendously off. Transportation, especially Ground Transportation is a massive amount of the Global use of Energy. EVa are replacing ICE at a rapidly accelerating rate. The numbers you’re pulling out of your behind are not even close.
It’s not just EVs and Renewables but also Battery Storage and Energy Use Reduction. (LEDs, Tankless Water Heaters, Solar Panels Powering Homes and Residences and the rapid adoption of those new technologies. It’s why ALL of the largest producers with excess Capital are deploying their Profits into anything OTHER than FFs.
They’ll milk OIL for all it’s worth by switching to EVs and Electricity and sell their FFs to the suckers who are dragging their arses on the transition.
Regarding “stranded assets”.
First, your beloved Norway. Norway is still “expanding” its production of fossil fuels. Oil production grew from 4 mbpd last year to 4.2 mbpd this year. And with planned investments will grow to as much as 5 mbpd in a few years. They are not worried about stranded assets based on their investments. They see the growing demand and they are attempting to cash in on it.
Second; Canada and US oil companies. Yes. They are somewhat worried about “stranded assets”. Particularly if they have many decades of reserves. But with demand for oil and gas still growing, they know that they should be good for the next decade. Which is why US companies, are focusing on shale oil and gas, and the Permian in particular. The Permian reserves are good for the next decade or so, are low cost, and a quick return on investment.
US companies are less interested in deep water, off shore, traditional oil reserves. Too expensive, and too long to pay back on investment. And the possibility that in the future these assets could be stranded. Also, more readily subject to sabotage in a messed up world.
In addition, these companies are laser focused on cash flow and profits today, vs production as in the past. Which is why they remain such a good investment.
Canadian oils are my favorite. The biggest companies are focused on the oil sands. Forty years of reserves, or more. No need to spend a lot looking for more. Low cost of production, at $30 per barrel. Some of their reserves could be stranded eventually, but that is why they don’t need to spend much to find more.
Canada has a lot of smaller companies doing shale, but they don’t need to frack much, so it is much lower cost than in the US. Some wells pay back in 6 months or less and can produce for years. Very lucrative. And again, shorter lived, so no worries about stranded assets.
In addition, as I mentioned in my previous posts; the world demand for oil and gas is going to be growing for a long time, so stranded assets are not a high likelihood anyway.
Norway is only increasing because Europeans can’t trust Russia for OIL or Gas.
They are making minor changes but that will drop off rapidly as more and more EVs take out the highest usage ICE vehicles. Especially fleets like Rental Cars, Government Vehicles and Taxis / Rideshare. Those are replaced rapidly, every couple of years and will make a major difference in usage of Electricity vs Gasoline.
The IEA has basically had to adjust UP the numbers of EVs every year.
Localizing Production again, instead of shipping everything to China and back will also mean more new factories, with more friendly energy footprints will replace the older and more environmentally destructive ones.
Norway, Saudi Arabia, Etc. Are INCREASING their Investments in Renewables and other Non- OIL related investments…they know that the Problems are coming sooner than most understand. They own Lucid Stock and are now making them build a plant to build EVs and Batteries in Saudi Arabia. They know they need to get to way less of their economy based on OIL and Gas by 2030. That is why both Norway and Saudis Sovereign Wealth Funds are investing in NON-FF things at the fastest rate in their country’s histories.
This is where we are headed. It will just take longer than what Norway has accomplised.
Cratering motor fuel sales in Norway show the death spiral that can end oil
It’s common knowledge that Norway is the land of electric cars and that the country keeps breaking EV sales records with virtually no new fossil vehicle sales. But what’s really important is the effect those EVs are having on oil sales, which are in steep decline in the country as a result – and the same thing could happen elsewhere.
Norwegian statistics agency SSB released its latest numbers on motor fuel sales today, showing a whopping 9% decline in motor fuel sales year-over-year for the month of September.
This is a result of Norway’s world-leading EV sales, with over 90% of new vehicles in the country having some sort of plug and vanishingly few having no electrification at all. The country has exceeded its own high expectations, virtually ending fossil vehicle sales years ahead of schedule.
Hi Jeff. I agree with much of what you say on this topic. We will continue to transition from fossil fuels to renewables and from ICE vehicles to EVs. But the transition is happening too slowly to make much of a difference. The “death spiral” for oil is not going to happen for a long, long time. The world is not going to duplicate Norway.
One of the many problems that we still cannot overcome is the increasing worldwide demand for more energy every year. And since we cannot meet this demand with renewables, we continue to use more fossil fuel each year. Demand for oil is up from 100 mbpd last year to 102 mbpd this year and is projected to grow to 108 mbpd by 2030. Even the rosiest projections don’t show a drop in oil use till around 2035. And projections show us still using 80+ mbpd in 2050.
And demand for natural gas keeps growing till 2050.
Global warming and climate change are going to get a lot worse by then.
It appears to be this decade for new car sales. Soon the scrap rate of ICE cars will exceed the new car purchase rate.
https://cleantechnica.com › 2023 › 03 › 31 › 2027-the-year-it-is-over-for-ice-vehicles
2027 The Year It Is Over For ICE Vehicles – CleanTechnica
Mar 31, 2023Photo by Majella Waterworth. In 2020, 3.2 million plugin vehicles were sold. In 2021, this increased to approximately 6 million. Last year, it was over 10 million. So, we would expect 16 million …
https://www.hotcars.com › ice-cars-inferior-to-evs-by-2030
8 Reasons Why ICE Cars Will Be Inferior To EVs By 2030
Published Apr 12, 2021 Electric cars are taking over the automotive landscape, and it’s now happening at a pace no one saw coming. via Porsche The internal combustion engine (ICE) is cool! It’s provided us with the V8 and V12 turbocharged sports cars we all love. Who doesn’t love the low hum or the
Interestingly Norwegians are paying for the electrification of their vehicles by selling oil to the rest of the world.
I’ve noticed too.
They’ve been doing so for decades but now they’ve stopped investing in new Exploration and drilling companies with their Sovereign Wealth Fund. They know what’s going on better than most.
People dragging their butts are at the mercy of OPEC+ and will see escalating prices as the number of refineries isn’t growing as much and the OIL Barons will be happy to squeeze maximum profits from lower production.
Humanity is already losing the battle against global warming and climate change. And the costs are going to be enormous.
The energy “transition” of the last few decades has been a failure so far. Emissions and atmospheric CO2 levels are still rising, and will continue to rise for decades.
It took a hundred years to raise global temperatures by 1C, which was breached in 2015. We are already hitting 1.5C for a portion of 2023 and will likely pass that level, on average, before this decade ends. 2023 will be the warmest year since mankind started recording temperatures. 2024 will probably be warmer yet (thanks El Nino).
In spite of renewables, EVs, improved efficiency, etc; we are still losing the battle. Winning requires worldwide cooperation and a herculean effort. Which simply isn’t going to happen. The world is a mess. Too busy fighting each other to ever cooperate on something like global warming.
I blame no one for this problem. It is what it is. A problem that will not get solved this century.
It is important to recognize reality. For those who are making the effort to reduce their carbon footprint; good for you. Just don’t expect it to make a difference. At best, with all your efforts, we can slow the progression and the pain. But we cannot stop it.
As always, I end with this: at least I can take advantage of the problem and make crap loads of money from oil and gas investments for a few years since the demand for oil and gas is still growing. This is the third year of great returns on those stocks and I expect several more years of great returns.
If everyone everywhere would simply focus on greater and greater profits everything would take care of itself. Or — maybe not.
Not a bad time to pick up a good used pickup truck if you don’t already have one. It needs to be a V8, or V6 if it’s a compact, no turbos or hybrid, and definitely not electric. These things will be worth a fortune in a few years due to the towing capacity alone, but they are also handy if you need to bug out.
Anything that can tow 3,500 lbs or more is going to go up in value as they try and build cars and trucks with less and less engine in them. Go get one. Don’t worry about the gas consumption, the turbo models aren’t much better and the first time you have to replace the turbo or rebuild the engine all the extra gas is paid for.
Obviously buy a Ram 5.7 first, then Ford F150, and lastly Chev. Or if diesel by Ram, Chev, then Ford, due to the engine. Diesel is a little much for most people, but they will hold their value even more than they already did due to the outstanding towing capacity and the huge $$$$ it takes to buy a new one.
Youngkin didn’t win Virginia as much as Mcallaufe lost it with his idiotic parent in education comment. Youngkin trailed in the polls by 12 points prior to that and by election day it was down to 2 points. He lucked out. In 2 years since there has been no legislation of note.
Bring back the real working horses my 59 chevy truck took all the beatings I gave it and just kept on truckin.
Not like todays Pussy EV wanna be a truck.
EVs could pull your old arse truck up a hill and down again. WAY more Torque and don’t need to shift..the Torque is ALWAYS there at ANY speed.
Learn Physics pal.
This is what is needed for the House Republicans.
https://www.thefarside.com/2023/10/20/4
It really doesn’t matter because you can’t legislate pipe dreams. Despite $Trillions invested in wind and solar it has barely made a dent in energy landscape. Furthermore, the infrastructure is not in place and will require vast new investments. Expect California to have more rolling blackouts with increasing EV usage. Besides the grid, where will the increase in electricity come from? It’s easy for a bunch of boneheads to pass legislation. It’s quite another to finance, design and construct this fairytale. Also it is pretty clear that much of this green energy policy was funded using cheap money. As the federal budget explodes and intrest rates rise, practicality will set in. Then we can thank all the boneheads for squandering $ trillions on useless green energy projects and senseless war.
As an afterthought, I wonder what the carbon footprint was of all the US wars in the past twenty years?
Don’t worry, Biden said the US military is spending billions to make military vehicles “climate friendly.” Thank goodness. When we kill and destroy, we want to be mindful of our carbon footprint.
Phew! Here I thought wars weren’t green. Couldn’t have that!
https://energycentral.com/news/invenergy%E2%80%99s-grain-belt-express-transmission-line-secures-last-its-state-approvals
Grain belt transmision line will be going in sometime soon. 5 gigawatts capacity for clean energy.
I have friend that bought a Kia hybrid. Loves it. Gas engine and self charging. He’s gettting over 50 miles per gallon. Roomy car too. I see no problems with this, but the Davos crowd demands you do as they say, have less, and eat bugs.
I’m a Tesla stock owner (getting beat up currently) and wish Elon would have come out with a hybrid too. Could have done a joint venture with Toyota to supply the engine. Anyway, I’d consider a Tesla for local driving, but not for any long driving. Forget it. I don’t want to stand around waiting for my car to charge nor stress out about charging stations.
I doubt you own much Tesla stock because if you did you would know that Hybrids are mostly hot garbage in the long run.
ALL the problems of Gasoline Engines and nearly all the issues of batteries combined. 50 mpg is good but about half of what a EV gets comparably speaking. Teslas rarely sweat getting charged because they start each day fully charged. They cars guide you to the Best Chargers when you’re on trips and optimize charging time based on your trip using Tech. Every person I know that owns significant Tesla stock is aware of these things…which is why they own and continue to own the stock.
Cheers!
And if you buy a Tesla Saint Peter will let you in immediately without any questions.
I also own a Tesla and have no problem with slightly longer wait times to charge up. Walk into the grocery store, go the bathroom, buy a snack, possibly wait listening to music or reading a book. I’m amazed at how many new charging stations are going in around my area.
40 minutes is slightly longer than 5? And that’s if the charger works.
The time varies depending on the distance i need to go. To my mothers place, i only need to charge 20 minutes and have plenty to arrive at her place later. Once or twice a year I may need to do 40 minutes. What makes up for it is 30 seconds a day for full range every day. I actually save time compared to a gas car.
While you’re spinning fairy tales, why not throw in a reference to your increased manhood (“almost 3 inches now!”) or your ability to wish yourself into flight?
I am not short on manhood as I define it. But others as they define themselves are coming up way short. How is your manliness doing? Are you ok?
Charged full EVERY single morning. Never need to waste time “gassing up”.
Youngkin is fine although at 56 I wouldn’t call him young. I like DeSantis also. Both are very competent which is refreshing in a politician these days. This younger generation of Republicans look promising and the sooner they take over from the dinosaurs the better. On the Democrat side I see no talent in the younger generation. Some like Newsome and they say he is a good orator but competent he isn’t.
Compared to Biden and Trump he’s practically a kid.
But yeah by historical standards he’s probably the average age of a president.
There is no place in the GOP for “normies”. You are either a worshiper of Fat Donnie from Queens or you are gone.
For 2024. By 2028 Trump will be way too old to run and might not even be alive.
Youngkin has time to wait till the next election cycle.
You are a typical Democrat moron. You guys just have no common sense. Most likely your brains got smushed thru your Momma’s birth canal when the Dr. pulled you out.
Seriously, I voted for Trump both times, but see no one of any value. I’m an independent. I was trending towards RFK jr., but not any longer. He’s pushing reparations, kisses Israel’s butt (they all do, but it’s discouraging to see him do it considering he’s supposed to be an “outsider”) and now fired Kucinich and hired his daughter-in-law to manage his campaign and she worked for the CIA for 10 years. Please. Tell me this makes sense. It doesn’t.
We are leaderless. You’ve got old codgers that want to get us into a world war amongst other domestic issues that are so important. I don’t see too many leaders, but I approve of Matt Gaetz questions Republican leadership because you can’t keep having status quo as the ship sinks-our country.
I don’t want to vote for Trump, but I certainly am not voting for Biden and RFK has lost his way and mind with this reparations nonsense.
Write in somebody ho is quality.
Gaetz is a scumbag.
Trump makes him look like a choir boy.
Time for the Republicans to stop F-ing up and pick a QUALITY Candidate. Haven’t had one since Reagan. It’s absolutely embarrassing. I’m an Independent but used to be a Republican. Saw how dirty it was from the inside of the Rep Party and left.
70% of the country wants a QUALITY leader who can bring people together and get shite done.
70% of the population does NOT want Biden or Trump.
It’s not rocket science people.
Reagan was garbage, for the amnesty alone.
Everything you post convinces me you’re patient zero for Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.
No response to nonsense…
Except that Reagan makes ALL the Reps since him look like crap on toast. Don’t really care what you think if you can’t see that the Reps haven’t put forth an effective president since then.
I’ll give ol’ Ronnie a Pass for Taking out the Soviet Union and setting the stage for making the US the only remaining Superpower.
Now spew your silly misdiagnosis somewhere else little man.
The repubs and the public have picked QUALITY all along the way. Unfortunately, it’s POOR quality.
I like Youngkin too. He’ll be a great candidate in 28. Unlike DeSantis, hope he is smart enough to sit out his cycle to avoid getting run over by the Trump juggernaut. The republican stage is littered with people who thought they could take on Trump. We don’t need another casualty.
If trump wins there won’t be an election in 28.
With 5000 trump loving boomers expiring every day, I doubt any republican gets the white house moving forward. If it happens in 2024 that will likely be the last republican. Millenials are 80% democrat voters and they now outnumber the boomers.
It’s all a numbers game and the repub base is shrinking dramatically and the party antagonizes everyone that isn’t exactly like them so it won’t grow.
Not so fast, Practically every Baby Boomer I know is an infected Democrat Liberal.
You don’t live anywhere in the South then. Plenty of “You Kids Get Off My Lawn” Reps down here!! 😂
The speed will depend upon how the illegal immigrants become thankful.
Jim Jordan just clowned again, posed to lose third vote. Cue the circus music.
Global warming is costing us 16 million dollars per hour. Our gas cars are a really big reason for that. Its time to move on away from the failed past of FFs.
Global is the key word here. Without China and India, US efforts to screw things up are just a drop in the bucket.
China’s the LARGEST producer and user of EVs.
They KNOW it’s the end for ICE vehicles and they’re moving faster than anyone except Norway, Scandinavia, etc.
Cry all ya want…the end of ICE vehicles has already arrived, it’s merely a matter of time. And as the % of New Vehicles grows rapidly to EVs, the end of ICE vehicles accelerates.
Cheers!
China leads in EV adoption and RE installation.
Actually Norway and other countries in Scandinavia lead, by far in % of EVs and use of Renewables…90%-ish adoption.
But China is the largest by far in # of Total EVs and Total installed amount. But I get your points.
Why stop there? Let’s eliminate humanity from the planet to save it!
Change comes hard for some people. You would rather die than go RE and electric?
I bought an EV. Now, I am immortal.
That’s nothing. I scheduled an appointment with my doctor to have all the EVOL carbon removed from my body, so I am immortal-er.
Jeff, you have achieved the dubious distinction for being the lowest intellect on the Mish Totem Pole. Everyone above you are pissing on your head.
OH, well, you needed a shower.
There is no failed past of fossil fuels. We wouldn’t be the modern world we are today, without them.
Every time they spill oil as in Peugent Sound, that is a failure in many parts too many to mention. The health of babies near fracking wells is a failure for the larger society. We good things at a price. That price is having stronger consequences every year.
And ICE vehicles decapitate babies too!
Ohhhhh noooooo. Gas cars are going to be eliminated. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
AGW (anthropogenic global warming). The more we pollute GHGs into the atmosphere, the more damage to life on earth, the more damage to our economy. You would think someone so proud of himself on economics would understand this. Instead we are hearing very short sightesness on small segments of the total picture. The total picture of global warming from of point of view of social stupidity pretty much makes for a miserable future.
Global warming is costing us 16 million dollars per hour. Is there such a thing any more as any decency of thought about our human future rather than cherry picked pin pricks of pain.
https://www.weforum.org › agenda › 2023 › 10 › climate-loss-and-damage-cost-16-million-per-hour
Climate change is costing the world $16 million per hour: study
Oct 12, 2023Over the past 20 years, extreme weather events globally, like hurricanes, floods and heat waves, have cost an estimated $2.8 trillion, according to a new study. The study authors estimate the cost of the extreme weather damages from 2000 to 2019 to average around $143 billion, which breaks down to around $16.3 million per hour.
https://phys.org › news › 2019-11-climate-impacts-world-trillion.html
Climate impacts ‘to cost world $7.9 trillion’ by 2050 – Phys.org
Citation: Climate impacts ‘to cost world $7.9 trillion’ by 2050 (2019, November 20) … Global warming eclipses nuclear war as top concern: Nobel laureate. Oct 21, 2019.
https://www.nytimes.com › 2021 › 04 › 22 › climate › climate-change-economy.html
Climate Change Could Cut World Economy by $23 Trillion in 2050 …
Apr 22, 2021The effects of climate change can be expected to shave 11 percent to 14 percent off global economic output by 2050 compared with growth levels without climate change, according to a report from …
“Climate change is costing the world $16 million per hour: study”
“Climate Change Could Cut World Economy by $23 Trillion in 2050 …”
What total bullshit
Hold on there Mish! If you consider all the dumb government programs funding “The energy transformation” it might be close to that. Of course these are all government boondoggles much like their senseless wars.
Most of their senseless Wars are over Fossil Fuels. Get rid of more than half of the need them, many of the reasons for Wars go away.
So naive! “Gosh, because EV’s are powered by the sun!”
“Dan Deuel
October 20, 2023
So naive! “Gosh, because EV’s are powered by the sun!””
Yeah, little Danny boy…
If you have Solar Panels and battery storage…
Your EV is 100% “powered by the Sun”.
Thanks for pointing that out!!
The wars aren’t over oil.
“Most of their senseless Wars are over Fossil Fuels. Get rid of more than half of the need them, many of the reasons for Wars go away”
Yeah! And as more and more wars are over water, we should get rid of water as well!
Not to mention wars having been fought over women…..
Get rid of them all, I say….!
The laws of thermodynamics are not suggestions, dummy Davey.
ANd that is your weakness. There is a huge amount of peer reviewed science supporting AGW economic damage.
Do you think invoking the magic spell “peer-reviewed” makes everything you bleat true and wins any argument, you utter cretin?
Peer review is a strong effort to study reality. Far stronger than wishful thinking and idealism. There is a vast graveyard of idealism at the hands of peer reviewed reality study.
Jeff, you are smoking the Government Narrative Pipe, full of whacky stems and seeds. It is not the good shit.
The really good shit is reality. You ought to get some. Great high.
8 billion people are constantly exhaling carbon dioxide.
The ones that really care will stop immediately.
“There is a huge amount of peer reviewed science supporting AGW economic damage.”
Given that economics never were, never will be anything even resembling a “science,” That says an awful lot more about the morons publishing such drivel, than it does about anything to do with reality.
Its the predicted disruptions studied from the effects of earth’s increasing temperature. You look at covid disruption to supply chains. Countries shutting down their businesses and effecting other countries around the world doing so. Supply chain issues can go bad without AGW. With higher temperatures from AGW issues of taking care of ourselves will get rocky with the differing events. There are 100s of studies just on issues in detail that just really be done justice in the comment sections. This is a lot bigger than you think.
Oh no! This makes me want to put on a mask and get another booster.
If one mask if GOOD, ten masks would be superlative.
Plant trees, not EVs
Do both. Get Rid of ICE fossil fuels polluters and you decrease healthcare costs, decrease lung and respiratory diseases, which also causes heart disease and heart problems.
Time to stop sucking in pollution from your tailpipe. Cigarettes were banned on planes and public restaurants, bars, etc. for similar reasons.
Cheers!
They replaced those smokers on board to on the ground smoking enclaves. You CANNOT wean addicts off of the good dope by using rules. Those do not work.
Replacing Gas Cars with EV’s means MORE diesel used to mine the Copper and Lithium to provide the materials for EV’s.
What is so hard for that message to not climb into the EV steel trap minds? EV’s CAUSE MORE POLLUTION.
Those are absolutely ridiculous. EVs are one and done. Once they’re made they’re made.
OIL Burners (Gasoline, Diesel, etc.) NEVER stop needing massive amounts of OIL and diesel.
They never stop needing Diesel Equipment to drill, to ship the OIL to Truck the OIL to Gas Stations, etc., etc., etc.
Fossil Fuels are the dirtiest and most destructive industry on the planet. It’s not even close.
They’re already creating massive EV powered Mining Trucks. They’re already replacing Semi’s with EV Semi’s, this is already a done deal in the rest of the major vehicle markets in the world. The US will catch up in 7 years.
Do the Math, it’s not even remotely close.
Burn trees to feed EVs and it makes no difference to Me and Thee.
Not how most EVs are fed. Do math and that statement makes Zero sense.
The problem with EV’s is that the mining needed to procure the needed parts and metals for the batteries is extremely energy-intensive, and of course electricity must be generated for recharging all these millions of batteries.
There’s a lot of questions whether EV’s, once all steps in the process are considered, save any energy (and thus combat global warming) AT ALL.
Furthermore, I am MOST DEFINITELY NOT a candidate for an EV. I sometimes drive more than 500 miles in one day, and I can imagine the horrors of waiting multiple times in one day to recharge my battery, and there are a lot of horror stories about charging stations not working. I will not, EVEN KICKING AND SCREAMING ALONG THE WAY, ever accept a full-EV.
However, a hybrid? BRING IT ON!!!!! I can go for that.
FFs is 15 billion tons a year and RE metals are 7 million tons a year now. By 2040 it is projected out to 28 million tons a year RE metals. 545 times more mining for RE than for FFs. When the RE system is built, the mining for RE metals calms down a great deal to replacement and recycling. No can do with FFs.
I have tried to Convince Elon to make a MINI-VAN, capable of carrying luggage and four adults, using HYBRID tech but his Washington Donations EASILY overcame that notion.
So, NO, a Tesla Hybrid is not coming and I stopped dropping by Elon’s place with the Good Scotch.
“The problem with EV’s is that the mining needed to procure the needed parts and metals for the batteries is extremely energy-intensive..”
Not EVs in general. Just the BEV subset. Big difference.
Currently, only the latter is realistically for sale. Since the former is a somewhat harder problems and; as anyone sentient realises; the sole reason BEVs are being pushed in the first place, is simply to transfer wealth: From productive people, to connected dilettantes far to stupid and incompetent to undertake anything even remotely “hard”, including competitively building real cars.
But direct infrastructure-powered EVs, are a tantalising prospect. With the potential to provide massive increases in efficiency and utility, over and above any vehicle limited by being effectively an island onto itself.
For now, the only place with the resources to even consider it on any sort of scale, China, is not one with much of a culture of mobility extending beyond what public transportation provides. So they’re focusing on trains instead. In the process missing out on a barrage of increased efficiency from (near-)autonomous point-to-point transport of both goods and people at a much tighter-than-trainload granularity.
While the rest, are either too small and hence worried that even if they could make something work, it will be rendered outdated overnight by China deciding on a different standard for their BRI. Or they simply lack the resources to “develop” anything more than elevator pitches anymore. So it’s pretty much a China-gotta-go-first story now.
But, be that as it may: Until, effectively, China does so move: EVs, in this case BEVs(in “car” shape at least), will forever remain pretty much nothing more than silly toys, “look-at-me” statements and yet another program for robbing the productive for the benefit of the connected; for all beyond the tiny-to-small-sized niche of urban/suburban secondary cars. No different from increasingly all other nonsense hyped as “developments;” by the less-than-literates enriched and empowered by nothing other than crass wealth transfers; in the unlimited-Fed era.
No. Those are made up “questions” from Fossil Fuels FUDsters.
The ICE vehicles NEVER stop needing more poisonous fuel, burning and releasing more poisonous fumes and particulates.
Time to stop pretending that the math is somehow in doubt.
I don’t really care about someone that pretends to drive 500 miles per day…Uphill BOTH Ways In a BLIZZARD and hauls 100,000 TONS of horse manure every day, so they can spread it on these forums.
My Dad told me horse manure like that back in the day. Didn’t buy it then. Don’t buy it now.
We live on 10 acres, have horses and chickens and other stuff. Have to haul Hay Bales, etc. AND we have Solar and an EV is no problem, even though we live dozens of miles from a major town. Cheap power, renewable and battery storage means the vehicle is charged every day, if needed.
For the 12 people in the entire country that actually (vs pretends to drive) 500 miles they will be the last people to get an EV. The rest of the world will be buying EVs at scale before the end of the Decade.
Have fun with your Kerosene and Whale Oil Lamps and Horse and Carriage too. They’re much better to use an abacus and slide rule. No computers needed there! Cheers!
“Oct 12, 2023Over the past 20 years, extreme weather events globally, like hurricanes, floods and heat waves, have cost an estimated $2.8 trillion”
There was a new record 12 year period with no major hurricanes hitting the U.S., after Katrina. Of coarse, that gets ignored by the climate alarmists. Major tornadoes dropped off as well. Also ignored.
There are 8 billion people on the planet now, so weather events are going to be more costly now.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/global-ocean-heat-content/
Ocean heat goes up and keeps on going up. Hurricane droughts have nothing to do with whether AGW is valid or not.. The ocean heat build up is huge though. That is what is makes hurricanes stronger.
https://co2coalition.org/publications/climate-assessment-is-merely-government-opinion-not-science-and-our-recommendations-for-the-usgcrp-decadal-strategic-plan-2022-2031/
That’s propaganda.
Can you refute their claims with a scientific rationale?
Climate models work well enough. This is something deniers are blind to.
[[[[[[[The International Panel on Climate Change (“IPCC”) and other models used to predict temperatures and scenarios fail the key test of science: they do not work with observations. They therefore must be rejected and not relied on as science in any USGCRP Strategic Plan or National Climate Assessment (“NCA”).]]]]]]]
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-well-have-climate-models-projected-global-warming/
Conclusion
Climate models published since 1973 have generally been quite skillful in projecting future warming. While some were too low and some too high, they all show outcomes reasonably close to what has actually occurred, especially when discrepancies between predicted and actual CO2 concentrations and other climate forcings are taken into account.
Models are far from perfect and will continue to be improved over time. They also show a fairly large range of future warming that cannot easily be narrowed using just the changes in climate that we have observed.
Nevertheless, the close match between projected and observed warming since 1970 suggests that estimates of future warming may prove similarly accurate.
Climate models are theories that can be validated in two ways: empirical testing or observations. Since climate is very complex and has many known and unknown variables (it is a chaotic system), it cannot be validated empirically. Chaotic systems cannot, by definition, be modeled.
” all (?) show outcomes reasonably close to what has actually occurred” Correlation is not causation. Increase of ice cream sales are almost perfectly correlated with an increase in shark attacks, but one doesn’t cause the other.
For starters, climate models are tested with hindcasting. Interesting note about hindcasting, you can take human co2 out of the model to see what happens. Every model fails to show warming. Put it back in and you get warming in every one of them.
The IPPC hindcast vs observations is very good.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100322194954/http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/models-2/
“Hindcasting” is a type of numeral modeling and still needs to be validated.
I can structure any “model” to produce any result my benefactor desires.
The consolidation of a large number of models doesn’t scientifically prove anything.
I do not deny that the climate changes but believing that one molecule, CO2, at a concentration of 420ppm, is disastrous, is scientifically invalid especially since the concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere is already at its “radiative forcing” saturation point.
There is a difference from your assumption on this. The source is open for all to see and use. Other scientists will run the same runs to see if the results are reproducible. Your assumption is that the scientists will cheat if they can. Anyone can go in use the same tools and write their own paper on it agreeing or disagreeing. Possibly even approving. Science has tremendous scrutiny already from within their own ranks.
Yes. But HOT weather during the Summer causes BOTH people to want to eat more Ice Cream to cool down…AND HOT weather causes people to want to get in the Ocean to cool down.
The Ocean is where the Sharks are…and that leads to higher numbers of Shark attacks during the summer.
So HOT weather causes BOTH people to Eat More Ice Cream AND higher Incidence of Shark Attacks.
THAT is CAUSATION and Correlation.
Cheers!
The people made a CHOICE to eat more ice cream and/or a CHOICE to go into the ocean. Even though hot weather was the impetus to eat ice cream and/or go into the ocean, hot weather was not the cause it was the individuals choice.
Let’s pose this questions:
Did all people who ate ice cream get attacked by a shark?
Did all people who got attacked by a shark ate ice cream?
Even though hot weather was the impetus to either eat ice cream and/or go into the water, it was the individual’s CHOICE to do either. The CAUSE was the individual’s CHOICE, not the hot weather.
Nonsense. Hot weather CAUSES more people to Eat Ice Cream. Not ALL people…just Many MORE people.
Hot weather also CAUSES more people to get in the Ocean to avoid the heat.
In Winter BOTH Ice Cream Sales AND Swimming in the Ocean are decreased beCAUSE the weather is not as HOT.
It’s called CAUSality as in CAUSE. Hot weather CAUSES many people to do things. Eat More Ice Cream, Swim / Go in the Ocean, Wear Less / Lighter Clothes, Turn on Air Conditioning. NOT everyone…and NOT everything, just a significant and VERY statistically SIGNIFICANT increase.
Which was the entire point of the OP comment.
It’s NOT called CHOICE-ality It’s called Causality.
HOT weather CAUSES more people to choose to go in the OCEAN. COLD weather CAUSES people to NOT go in the OCEAN.
(Except for one day a year for the Polar Bear Plunge. The CAUSE of that is Insanity! I lived in Chicago for years…I KNOW some of those people! 😂 They definitely went insane being stuck inside in Winter 🥶 . 😉
The hot weather was the impetus for the individual to make a CHOICE, not a CAUSE to go into the ocean.
As you stated, the individual had many CHOICES to relieve himself from the hot weather. The hot weather did not force him to go into the water, the hot weather compelled him to make a CHOICE.
Youngkin should focus his efforts on the traffic jams of gaso powered cars on I95.
Are EV’s somehow exempt from traffic jams?
It is one of the benefits of signaling virtuosity in a blatantly obvious manner.
Quit your bellyaching and stop driving, then….
Good pick Mish.
The Eternal Combustion Engine will be with us always.
Speaking of which……War is probably the most Environmentally Damaging activity of Man.
State Dept. Official Josh Paul Resigns Over Arms to Israel
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/state-dept-official-josh-paul-resigns-over-arms-to-israel/ar-AA1iuint?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ASTS&cvid=c4fd5034774b4b19bfdb5b3b0fd2233f&ei=47
It is good when people in Government take a stand.
As I have said before….. The United Sates is a Public Employee Pension and Health Benefits Company with a War Machine attached.