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Was the Crypto Bubble the Worst of Its Kind?

Worst of Its Kind?

Bloomberg writer Merryn Somerset Webb says FTX Crypto Bubble Really Is the Worst of Its Kind.

Investment bubbles tend to leave behind something useful when they pop. Unfortunately, crypto looks like an outlier.

Webb compares the crypto bubble to the bicycle bubble of 1896 that left us with better bicycles, automobiles that were initially so slow people mocked them with “get a horse”, and the DotCom bust that left us with far better technology.

Crypto Bubble Was Contained

For starters, the crypto bubble was contained. Several trillion dollars of wealth collapsing to nothing counting the plunge in Bitcoin and Ethereum. However, little if anything happened outside crypto.

There were no bank failures, no bailouts, no taxpayer money spent. If you invested in FTX or LUNA or any other such tokens you lost it all, but otherwise life went on. 

The fact that the bubble was contained to crypto is a good thing in and of itself that’s worth exploring.

In the housing bubble and collapse, then Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke called the Lehman bankruptcy his biggest mistake. I propose it was his only success (accidentally of course). 

When you continually bail out financial institutions and set interest rates too low, you foster if not outright encourage speculative manias. 

What about the knowledge gained?

We have learned something from this, even if it’s nothing more than let bubbles collapse. The Fed failed to do that in 2002 and 2008 and before that in the Long Term Capital Management bailout.

As for Bitcoin and Ethereum, eventually that technology will come into play somehow, even if those coins ultimately prove to be worthless. 

The fact that we have seen no financial intuition failures over the crypto collapse is a good thing. Down the road, I am positive some good will come from these ideas, even if we do not see it now.

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RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“The whole miserable FTX debacle should remind us of the fragility of the case for crypto in general”
The DOW crashed 89%, from Sep. 1929-July, 1932.
Orange County went bankrupt on bonds. What happened to the GM bond holders in 2009?
I have read a claim that the U.S. dollar is the only currency that has not been cancelled.
The U.S. dollar is currently the world’s reserve currency, but no currency has ever been the permanent reserve currency.
Fragility.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“What about the knowledge gained?”
Those in power ignore it. The SEC considered leverage above 12 to 1 to be dangerous, yet gave the Big Five investment banks leverage waivers.
All five crashed, so why did the SEC ignore that which it knew would happen?
Greenspan praised bankers for getting people into houses they could not otherwise afford. The truth was known in advance, that they couldn’t afford them, as the math didn’t work. I read about one person who’s job was figuring out which loans should be approved. She was overruled on rejections. Think Greenspan didn’t have a clue about what was going on? There is a bridge For Sale in Brooklyn, to those who think he didn’t.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Don’t attribute too much wisdom to Greenspan. After the crash-and-burn he oversaw, he admitted to believe banks would moderate their behaviour out of self-interest . WTF? For once, he didn’t speak his usual gobbledygook.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
3 years ago
The FTX debacle was about as much as a crypto bubble as the Enron collapse was an energy bubble. In both there was fraud and manipulation of the markets. The “bubble” wasn’t much about the underlying commodity. I am not saying that crypto is NOT in a bubble just that the FTX episode didn’t cause a bubble. I think that a more likely cause of a crypto bubble is USDT (Tether) being issued at a tremendous discount and that token being used to buy Bitcoin, which runs up the price. This is similar to low rate loans being used by uncreditworthy buyers running up the price of housing, causing a bubble in real estate. Other bubbles have no fraud involved just hopes of large profits (e.g. dot com bubble).
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
“Other bubbles have no fraud involved just hopes of large profits (e.g. dot com bubble).”
I read that Corzine was the father of “laddering,” taking a stock that was worth “$5 and IPOing it at $50.” Insiders would get a discount, pre IPO, agreeing to buy some at the IPO price, which of coarse would help goose the price when it opened. it was a manipulation.
Too much BS
Too much BS
3 years ago
Cash is the real Stash. You have it or you don’t. The first crypto ballon just popped, More to come as the smoke clears, Who’s next to pop. https://youtu.be/J9-SXcPGdkg
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
money laundering operation from ukraine billions back to biden and dems. the rest is eyewash. this degenerate will probably walk, like corzine did. i never did have one minute thinking jon corzine would NOT get away with stealing money from customer accounts.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
All operations handled through hangar 18, the truth is out there.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
the lumpenproles and middlebrows are viewed like baby seals by the ruling class for centuries. form of governments is irrelevant. baby seals practically begging to be clubbed. over and over and over again. for generations. the puppy boomers are so dumbed down they don’t even know they live in an evil empire. that’s idiocracy level stuff. it brings me tremendous LOLs
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
The revolutionaries are few and far between, the masses are dumb and easily distracted. The same as ever.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
^^^^^ TRUTH. panem et circenses is all the middlebrows ever needed. since ancient greek/roman times and before.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Ever notice how convenient it was that Epstein committed suicide? Did we ever head what was recovered from Epstein’s houses?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
I got everything I had in MF Global out, a little more than a week before the news hit.
What a crook.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
The crypto crash has not ended. The financial system is over leveraged, so a few more crypto exchanges or lending companies could turn this smoulder into a full inferno. There is a political aspect as well. FTX was the second largest donor to the Democratic Party. As voters learn about names and quid-pro-quo deals from court case discovery of emails, those who do not resign could be charged with bribery or campaign finance violations. Even the G.O.A.T. Tom Brady has been named as a co-defender for promoting an unapproved interest baring instrument. Someone that recognized has connections to other people of that strata of society, and they don’t like to lose.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
The crypto-bubble has not burst, yet. FTX is a minor inconvenience caused by fraudulent business practices .
BlauGloriole
BlauGloriole
3 years ago
The disgusting MSM’s attempt at providing SBF a soft landing speaks volumes. The only benefit is that many more will have their eyes openned.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  BlauGloriole
You’re right… they should be shrieking hysterically and telling everyone it’s the apocalypse!
BlauGloriole
BlauGloriole
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz

“Shrieking hysterically” what are you talking about? The guy used client assets to gamble and then doubled down when he lost. Fraudsters should be labeled as such and treated as such. He was the second largest contributor to the Democrates perhaps this is why MSM is soft peddling him.

johnny
johnny
3 years ago
Reply to  BlauGloriole

Maybe not shrieking yet, but this could be the crack in the damn that breaks. Then, you will hear the true shrieking commence and from those that most deserve to be shrieking. Tom f*cking Brady… what an A$$clown.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Once upon a time, MSM actually did investigative reporting. Nowadays, Jesse Waters does it, and the Left hates it.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
We are going to learn something new every day. China covid pandemic policies are systemic. 400 million poor people are stuck in their buildings with little food and savings. China mercantilism of max export/ min import benefited out “mass flourishing” for decades. But now China export shortages & inflation. If we save more our trade deficit will fall. If we spend less on consumption, that benefit China invisible hands, we can invest in modern industries, including old industries, to be less susceptible to China & the SCO. It’s not zero
sum. It’s more : Export – Import = Saving – Investment.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Chatting with a 28 yr old nephew at Thanksgiving, he agreed when I told him Bitcoin’s toast, but looks at me like I’m an idiot when I refer to all NFT’s or crypto’s…starts on a tangent about Ethereum, or Dogecoin and how they seem promising now.
There’s still enormous residual echo chamber group-think out there with GenZ’ers, but once higher rates start to really take effect and they have to cash out, Capitalist Darwinism should do it’s thing.
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Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Etherium might survive. Something will.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
A crypto’-currency’ redeemable in $US, gold, silver… or something useful ‘might survive.’ Eg. Crypto-Cannabis–redeemable in…
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Thanks Mish. Been thinking about this one.
Any chance for a blockchain voting system?
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
The republicans would immediately deem it fraudulent. They’re already having a hissyfit about ranked choice.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Actually Republicans are most concerned with the loss of the secret ballot, which was a FUNDAMENTAL pillar of democracy until the Democrats destroyed it.
johnny
johnny
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Yeah, because Ranked Choice is not at all confusing & doesn’t in any way disadvantage Conservatives.
Why don’t we get it over with and just go to a One Party State… oh wait.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Something useful may come out of it: digital contract signitures. Not crypto invention, but as distributed technology, got a boost by it. It still requires international legislature and enforcement.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
There’s a company that issues tokens for fractional real estate investment. The tokens are tied to an LLC for each property. Cumbersome, but they’re making it work.
davebarnes2
davebarnes2
3 years ago
I would say: tulips.
dtj
dtj
3 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2
beanie baby bubble far worse
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  dtj
Don’t forget the cabbage patch dolls!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Agree. Blockchain, crypto, and Defi, are all ideas that will be utilized in positive ways. All new tech suffers growing pains, hype and financial opportunities that often go sour.
The internet got started in the 1970s and didn’t gain much traction till the 1990s. The hype and financial bubble (Nasdaq) didn’t occur till 1997-2000. The bubble then burst.
Yet the internet has become indispensable to our world today, in spite of the early financial excess.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Blockchain tech is incredibly useful for proving that parties agreed to things. The problem is, most people won’t be able to understand WHY it proves agreements, so to them it’s just another leap of faith. The first time they saw it, it was basically utilized to perpetrate a swarm of swindles, so there is definitely a hurdle to overcome there. To the average person, a blockchain entry means less than a wet signature.
I also suspect a lot of people don’t WANT things proven. It interferes with the stuff they make up to make them fell good about themselves.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
exactly correct. crypto is just the CIA updating of the ancient hawala system. electronic version of blockchain of hawala. like so many other inventions and updates of old systems. crypto and blockchain will be around for centuries. government or private backed………..
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
“Several trillion dollars of wealth collapsing to nothing counting the plunge in Bitcoin and Ethereum.”
I am not so sure we can call it wealth in this case because there was nothing there except market cap and numbers on a ledger. There was little capital, or anything of substance in this whole thing. Many falling markets will reveal their true value; not just the current prices created by the margin.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
“Market cap is only paper wealth. It’s when people try to cash it in that we see what the real value is.”
-Bernie Madoff (loose paraphrase version).
Jules
Jules
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
You are correct, however a not-insignificant amount of GDP is linked to these endeavours. I fear that a large percent of current GDP in the Western world, perhaps up to as much as 30%, consists of people doing absolutely zero value-add things. For sure crypto consists of this, but I don’t know how much of GDP is linked to it. 0.2%? 0.5%? Enough to set off the chain reaction violently, where it is the spark that sets the dried (by higher rates) hay on fire?
We will see.
This time is different. GDP is simply a function of the banking sector + velocity. We could see both contract, for a never-in-history seen GDP contraction. Watch out below.
There is no scope for bailouts now.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Jules
“I fear that a large percent of current GDP in the Western world, perhaps
up to as much as 30%, consists of people doing absolutely zero
value-add things.” So true!!!!
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Jules
Global market cap for crypto is less than $850 bil, a drop in the bucket, the industry itself doesn’t employ many.
Beyond crypto, yes, there are a lot of useless or redundant equities trading the market, it always gets bad when the market’s frothy, as it was in 2021, 2007 and 1999.
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Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Jules
Those zero-value-add things may have zero value to you, but not zero-value to everyone!
Value, generally, is a personal appraisal based on the person’s beliefs, values, and needs. Market value consolidates individual values. Think of market value as a ‘mean’ of a distribution of individual values. Set the price at the ‘mean’ and those with values at the mean, and above, will buy–the higher the individual value the greater the bargain. Values below the mean will not buy.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
It was wealth for those with the wits to cash out last year.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
correct. just like enron or GE. ride em up. cash out as they tip over. real wealth. we cashed out of crypto and bored apes…………….and the .COM stuff in 2000. trend following is easy once you do it. been at it for many decades.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
You could say the same about our legal tender.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
It has been said that the US Government is a public employee retirement and health benefits company with a war machine and Central Bank attached. Doesn’t get more legal tender than that.

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