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We Have a Debt Limit Deal In Principle, It Doesn’t Do Much

Biden, McCarthy Strike Debt-Ceiling Deal ‘in Principle’

The Wall Street Journal reports Biden, McCarthy Strike Debt-Ceiling Deal ‘in Principle’

Biden, in a statement, said that “the agreement represents a compromise, which means not everyone gets what they want.” He urged both chambers to pass the deal, saying it would prevent “what could have been a catastrophic default and would have led to an economic recession, retirement accounts devastated, and millions of jobs lost.”

But some conservatives said that they had wanted more. Rep. Dan Bishop (R., N.C.) tweeted that House Republicans on the call were “congratulating McCarthy for getting almost zippo” in exchange for what he said was a $4 trillion raise in the federal borrowing limit. The federal debt limit is currently $31.4 trillion.

The proposed deal isn’t likely to substantially alter the nation’s long-term fiscal trajectory, as both sides retreated from their initial positions, with Republicans once demanding steep spending cuts and Democrats proposing tax increases to address the deficit. The deal will only marginally affect spending that makes up less than one-third of the federal budget, with spending on mandatory programs such as Social Security and Medicare, as well as interest on debt, left untouched.

What’s in the Debt-Ceiling Deal?

  • Spending: The deal holds nonmilitary spending roughly flat for the 2024 fiscal year, which begins Oct. 1, and sets a 1% cap on spending increases for the 2025 fiscal year. After that, the deal includes spending targets that aren’t enforceable.
  • Military Spending: Military spending in fiscal 2024 would be roughly at the level of Biden’s fiscal 2024 budget request, according to two people familiar with the matter, which would amount to about a 3% increase. 
  • Work Requirements: The White House agreed to a key GOP demand, tightening work requirements for federal aid, primarily by temporarily raising the top age threshold in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP. But it does not apply to Medicaid. 
  • Permitting of Energy Projects: The deal requires that a single federal agency take charge of a project’s environmental review, assuming responsibility for the review’s timeline. Right now, multiple agencies often perform their own, individual environmental assessments, which extends the review process. Both sides want this, hoping for fast approval of projects they want. I rather doubt it will work that way.

Hold Your Nose

As expected in this corner, we have a deal, and it does not do much but chip around the edges. 

McCarthy sought to roll back spending levels to fiscal 2022 and then cap growth at 1% for a decade. Democrats had called those cuts a nonstarter.

There are no work requirements for Medicaid. There’s a big military spending increase, and the WSJ note that spending caps after fiscal year 2025 are not enforceable.

More accurately, all of these agreements are at the whims of future Congressional actions. 

McCarthy cannot afford to lose more than four Republican votes, so this will likely be a joint hold-your-nose affair that Biden will sign.

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Richardus
Richardus
3 years ago
The meaning of the debt ceiling has always been like the schedule of a railroad that always runs late. If there were no schedule, you would not know.
If there were no debt ceiling, we would lose a reminder of how screwed up things are.https://thelonghillinstitute.substack.com/p/once-again-it-is-time-to-panic-over
Agave
Agave
3 years ago
Dark Brandon, underestimated again, by those who only watch heavily edited clips of him stumbling on a few words now and then. His 50 years of experience are not for nothing.
The MAGA caucus is not happy, and will probably try to remove McCarthy once the dust settles, assuming this passes. But he’ll likely win that vote, as Dems will help out this time if they try to remove him.
Glad I was wrong about Kevin folding to the crazy caucus and taking it to a default, which I thought was a real possibility with them holding a gun to his head over his job. It’s still not passed yet though, so we’ll see what happens next.
bernanke airdrop
bernanke airdrop
3 years ago
Reply to  Agave
It was obviously just grandstanding, I bought some treasury bonds at higher rates.
Mjs357
Mjs357
3 years ago
Reply to  Agave
I think it’s cute you believe FJB has any power, critical thought, or decision-making capability. He’s nothing but a nasty old psychopathic, pathological unapologetic liar.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mjs357
Ah yes, why not append the “anyone with half a brain knows this is a fact” to the end of your nonsense.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Agave

they’re lost without tucker to provide new talking points… they just repeat the old ones

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Like the nightly game of poker to see who gets to change Biden’s depends. And so on. Pull the string!
Greenmountain
Greenmountain
3 years ago
This is just the preview, next step is the bi-annual government shutdown over the budget. I think this one might be very long.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
The man behind McC looks worried almost crying : perhaps because the o/n rates might popup vertically in the next few months.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Who’s the little twerp on his left with the silly grin?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Before reading the article I would like to point out from many recent observations that the Americans no longer have true Principles.
WTFUSA
WTFUSA
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
They are still around. Unfortunately, they want nothing to do with holding office in the national sewer that DC has become and don’t make splashy headlines about outrageous behavior and things of that nature. IOW, quiet lives of doing what they feel is right rather than striving for obscene wealth and/or power. Due to this it seems there are none left.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
“Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them.„ well, I have others.”
–Groucho Marx
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Speak for yourself.
rktbrkr
rktbrkr
3 years ago
Well, we haven’t had a balanced budget since Clinton and a modest cut is preferable to default. Political brinksmanship is not the path to lasting fiscal health. A couple years ago the GOP House was OK with trump rolling up huge deficits and proclaiming “deficits don’t matter” so the political posturing here is transparent. The razor thin GOP house majority has no mandate to send the country into default. McC is enough of a seasoned politician to grasp that. He doesn’t want to unleash a new age wave of Hoovervilles updated to McCarthyvilles.
MikeC711
MikeC711
3 years ago
Reply to  rktbrkr
You do realize that Newt Gingrich strong-armed an unwilling Clinton into a balanced budget right? Clinton did not balance the budget until republicans took over control of congress. That said, were you in support of a spending increase with no commitment whatsoever to any hint of fiscal responsibility going forward?
rktbrkr
rktbrkr
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeC711
No.
We have to get our financial house in order but it requires a thoughtful bi-partisan approach. This current political environment doesn’t lend itself to thoughtful compromise.
jiminy
jiminy
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeC711
Gore’s reinventing government program eliminated 250000 federal jobs. Playing politics doesn’t give credit where credit is due. Contrast the fiscally conservative Clinton administration with the Reagan, Bush, Trump spendthrifts.
Deficit
Deficit
3 years ago
Reply to  jiminy
Please show data from multiple sources that federal jobs were eliminated.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Deficit
Guess you didn’t have two minutes to spare in a quest for knowledge, enjoy your one-time freebie.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
The radicals puked. The clouds over the debt ceiling disappeared. It’s sunshine again. It’s time to plant tomatoes seed in the garden. If
enough is enough of u hide your money under the tomatoes plants, invest in creepto or buy gold to avoid the raiders, sucking money from the banks ==> the want of dollar might rise.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
The SVB bank “event” covering ALL depositors, all IOU, was a warning shot
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“As expected in this corner, we have a deal, and it does not do much but chip around the edges.”
In other words, virtue signalling.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“The proposed deal isn’t likely to substantially alter the nation’s long-term fiscal trajectory”
It is commonly called a parabolic arc. Such, are unsustainable. Math ALWAYS wins. They say raise the debt ceiling or it is catastrophic. Catastrophic is already built into the parabolic math. It is unavoidable.
Pi Pi, Miss American Pie. Martin Armstrong announced it is now one Pi cycle (8.6 years) to 2032.
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
I think Martin is quite optimistic. Hard to see how the debt spiral crisis and the leadership crisis of our gerontocracy lasts past 2027-2028.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Assuming this gets passed, and McCarthy survives the outrage from the fanatics in his party, it doesn’t mean much. Steady as she goes.
Of course, once the Republicans are returned to power, they can bring in all the spending cuts they desire; just like they always do; LOL!
In the meantime, the story continues; 3-5% inflation going forward; interest rates remaining roughly where they are for some time; very slow economic growth; increasing demand for energy (worldwide); tighter oil supplies and higher prices; continued gusher of cash flow for oil companies.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Spending, schmending… there are drag queens flouncing about like they own the place!!1!
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
All this political drama for nothing? I’m shocked! The interesting news is the giant sucking sound of bank deposits fleeing savings accounts into T-bills or notes once Treasury issues new bonds. I have been holding cash and oil & gas stocks until this debt fiasco gets solved then going right back into T-bills to score 5% or 6% while I wait for equities to correct. Fed hikes again in June/July. Get ready for banking crisis part II.
Meanwhile social security released their April enrollments and there are 161,000 brand spanking new socialists added to the program which means there are, at a minimum, 161,000 less workers contributing to productivity. More inflation coming again and again.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
The continuing banking crisis is probably going to be the prime thing for the rest of this year and for as long as the Fed has to keep rates high (years it seems because inflation is not abating in any meaningful way).
All those treasuries and other debt issued at 1-2% is going to be worthless soon.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
“All those treasuries and other debt issued at 1-2% is going to be worthless soon.”
Not when the paper is discounted to provide a competitive yield.
Billy
Billy
3 years ago

The worst thing I see is the forcing of energy control by the feds only.

Ultracrepidarian
Ultracrepidarian
3 years ago
Looks like all the Federal employees (and SS and medicare recipients) will be getting another 5% cost of living increase come January, 2024. that will bust the new budget all by itself. Same old show, new day.
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
That plus refinancing .5% treasuries at 5%.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
anyone in pax dumbphuckistan who still thinks there are differences between D and R on anything besides sex and drugs, are wildly naive. the middlebrows still fall for the theatre of it all, for the most part. oh. this ain’t deflationary. the raging cumulative inflation shall continue. ignore GDP, it’s a bogus number. rates will continue being raised, so the FED owners, have their bazookas re loaded.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
you left out abortion and energy but otherwise essentially yes
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Intriguingly, Trump seems to be moving left on the abortion issue. Don’t forget a few republican controlled states blocked abortion law changes so it’s not exactly a unified view which is perhaps why Trump is being pragmatic about the whole thing.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
Something tells me that at some point in the past one of his many girlfriends or mistresses has had an abortion with his blessing. If he took a hard line on abortion it would likely come out (may yet come out) and make him look hypocritical.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
You do not get pregnant with golden showers or grabbing genitalia lol
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Like that matters to his simps.
rktbrkr
rktbrkr
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
How far left is his “10 new cities”?
trump has also spoken up for social security and medicare, he may not be the self described stable genius but he is a smart enough pol to bend with the wind when it’s politically advantageous.
He was a registered Dem most of his life and jumping to GOP was mostly political opportunism. He isn’t driven by traditional political dogma or understanding or support of our constitution and favors strong man type rule (at least if it’s him) over (small d) democratic ideals.
A lot of his positions (and the current GOP) have to be anethma to true libertarians.
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
It’s hard trying be pro-life, with any integrity, when the US is drone bombing sheep herders in countries we are not war with. Biden murdered another one last week. Have not heard the Republicans call for investigations into that
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
i shortened abortion to be under the rubric of sex. repugs are uptight pious men, who are as phoney as any mullah in mideast when it comes to sex and drugs behind the curtain. there is no difference. energy too. take away or give all the free stuff gas and oil get……..to wind and solar………just as an example. don’t forget when tax code was put into play the oil industry was just getting large in east texas, so those boys wrote so many great welfare credits. don’t blame em, just pointing out the idiocy of R v D kabucki.

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