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The US Appears to Be Over the Debt Limit Already. What’s Going On?

The above chart is from the US Debt Clock. It updates every second, in real time. If you have not yet seen seen the Debt Clock, it’s a fascinating look.

What’s Going On?

The debt clock is not really inaccurate. It assumes all bills have been paid.

The US went over the debt ceiling in January, but Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen has not paid all the bills. 

She has been using “extraordinary measures” such as not making regularly scheduled contributions to the federal employment retirement fund.

X-Date

The X-Date is the date after which the US defaults on interest payments or fails to send out Social Security checks.

Estimates range on the X-date from early June to later in July.

The X-date is uncertain because it depends on tax filing receipts.  

In particular, the IRS ruled California storm victims qualify for tax relief; April 18 deadline, other dates extended to May 15

Tuesday Meeting Flop

On Tuesday, President Biden met with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries to discuss the debt ceiling.

The meeting was a big flop as predicted in this corner. 

Biden insists on a clean lift of the debt ceiling and McCarthy insists on doing something about massive deficit spending as part of the lift.

Another Meeting Friday

CNN reports Biden to meet with congressional leadership again on Friday as threat of national debt default looms

The president said he “made it clear” during the meeting “that default is not an option,” adding that he’s “absolutely certain” the US can avoid defaulting on its obligations because an “overwhelming number of members of … Congress know it would be a disaster.”

“I would hope that he’d be willing to negotiate for the next two weeks so we could actually solve this problem and not take America on the brink,” McCarthy said outside the West Wing following the meeting.

The California Republican said he asked the president for areas where he’d engage on spending reductions, but “he wouldn’t give me any.”

However, McCarthy would not offer concrete assurances about preventing default.

“I’m speaker of the House,” he said. “I’m not the leader of the Senate. I’m not the president … I’ve done everything in my power to make sure it will not default. We have passed a bill that raised the debt limit. Now, I haven’t seen that in the Senate.”

“So,” the speaker continued, “I don’t know.”

“There isn’t a single bright line or ‘must have’ that I am married to,” South Dakota GOP Rep. Dusty Johnson, a key McCarthy ally, told CNN. “The totality of the deal has to make real and substantial change to how our country spends and borrows. There are lots of different ways to get there.”

McConnell – known as a Senate deal maker with stronger ties to Biden than McCarthy – has signaled that he won’t come to rescue Democrats in negotiations.

“The solution to this problem lies with two people, the president United States, who can sign a bill and deliver the members of his party to vote for it, and the Speaker of the House,” McConnell told reporters after Tuesday’s meeting. “There is no sentiment in the Senate – certainly not 60 votes – for a clean debt ceiling. So there must be an agreement and the sooner the president and the speaker can reach an agreement, the sooner we can solve the problem.”

Ball in Biden’s Court

the debt ceiling clock is ticking away. And the onus is now on Democrats to so something.

On May 8, I commented Hello President Biden, the Ball Is In Your Court

The meeting on Tuesday confirms that position. 

What McCarthy Wants

  • Claw back unspent Covid-19 funds.
  • Impose tougher work requirements for recipients of food stamps and other government aid.
  • Halt Biden’s plans to forgive up to $20,000 in student loans.
  • End many of the landmark renewable energy tax breaks Biden signed into law last year. It would tack on a sweeping Republican bill to boost oil, gas and coal production.

That’s really not asking for much given The budget deficit is almost double the 12-month rolling deficit from last summer and also nearly double the deficit immediately prior to the pandemic.

For discussion, please see The Budget Deficit Is Nearly $2 Trillion and Rising Fast.

Also note that Biden is a huge hypocrite. 

Let’s review statements made by Senator Biden in 2004 and 2006 when he voted against raising the debt ceiling, also a look at Speaker McCarthy’s Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023.

For discussion, please see President Biden’s Blatant Hypocrisy and McCarthy’s Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023

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Counter
3 years ago
don’t worry about that
blacklisted
blacklisted
3 years ago
Biden and the establishment will do something – use the 14th Amendment to do away with the debt ceiling and spend whatever they want … and whose going to stop them? Separation of Powers no longer exist, and the rule of law does not apply to the masters of the Universe. The only thing that will stop the Global Green Communists is a military coup.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
3 years ago
Reply to  blacklisted
Don’t be surprised if they try to pull off the “Trillion Dollar Coin” scam.
It is right up their alley as grifters and con artists.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
3 years ago
The drunken sailor just keeps on drinking.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
World war 3 will be expensive.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
I would say that this is simply a dance contest.
But it’s apparent that no one knows all the steps.
(Remember that Ginger Rogers did it all backwards and in high heels.)
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
I’ve been in the middle of many of these debt limits. The government has many contracts that have to be paid. I’m not sure where the money comes from, but I’ve been told by people on the inside, they will pay it no matter what. There are also essential personnel that will work and get paid. There will be furloughs, but almost all of them are federal employees. And they eventually get 100% of their back pay. They basically get a free vacation. They publicly complain about how terrible it is for them and always blame republicans.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Perhaps they could be paid extra overtime for a few weeks to catch up?
babelthuap
babelthuap
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
True. Vacation for Fed employees. The sad part many of them live paycheck to paycheck. Missing one check and straight to the food bank. The really sad part for taxpayers is we still get billed with their backpack for doing zero work and don’t forget the contractors. Those are mostly firm fixed so same scenario.
blacklisted
blacklisted
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
They will pay it no matter what, but what will the money buy? Actually, this is how all of the bribery and graft comes to an end, as no one work for a currency that has no purchasing power.
Mjs357
Mjs357
3 years ago
Gentlemen’s bet – Biden wants to use the 14th Amend. Obama perhaps decided against it for an unknown reason as the DoJ refuses to publish their opinions. I bet FJB creates a another Constitutional crisis and uses the 14th to lift the debt ceiling.
It’s what they do…violate, infringe, expand their power and then someone files a suit and the courts get to decide years later. All they do is create more jobs for their friends om law offices.
Rbm
Rbm
3 years ago
Reply to  Mjs357
In stars wars universe there is a planet that is ruled by lawyers. I think that is where we are heading.
Know one wants to cut their own programs. Until then were hosed.
The republicans never seem to have an issue with the debt limit when they are in power.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
Democrats always seem to have a problem with a debt limit when Republicans are in power.
America is ruled by lawyers; China is ruled by engineers.
Choices have consequences.
Bbbbbbb
Bbbbbbb
3 years ago
So, subsidies for oil/gas/coal companies, what will be a cut to food stamps, no relief from “student loans” for inflated tuition and bank profits, and no funds for Long Covid victims. “Not much to ask”. Why not raise taxes on the ultra-rich capitalist class, who’ve been getting tax cuts for decades and creating low-paying jobs that create high profits?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Bbbbbbb
The ultra rich already pay a hugely disproportionate amount of taxes. No matter how much you tax them, it won’t be enough for the Warren cult.
There’s no solution that doesn’t include cutting expenditures.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Oh yes there is! Print money with wild abandon. What harm could that possibly do?
Bbbbbbb
Bbbbbbb
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn

In effective taxes they pay just about the same as you and me. Warren Buffett has said that he pays the same percentage of taxes as his secretary. And the capitalist class can hire lobbyists to get the tax laws they want, loopholes written, and subsidies raised. How many millionaires are in the Senate? And how many workers? They even trade stocks based on insider knowledge and get away with it.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Bbbbbbb
“Bind not the mouths of the Senators that tread the grain,” /sarc
Business Man
Business Man
3 years ago
Reply to  Bbbbbbb
“Why not raise taxes on the ultra-rich capitalist class…”
Gee, what a brilliant idea!
Does anyone who says things like this have any understanding of actual economics?
Bbbbbbb
Bbbbbbb
3 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
I have a very good understanding of how capitalist economics work, and an even better understanding of how capitalist politics work. The bulk of the US deficit comes from paying for profiteering wars, tax cuts for the rich, and bailouts for banks and other capitalist companies that get burned in the crises spawned by their speculative binges. Then the capitalist government comes to the workers and says, “We need to get the budget under control, we’ll have to cut benefits on Social Security and you can’t retire until you’re 70. Oh, and no pensions, that’s reserved for CEOs and Board members.” Investment? Investment rates after the big Trump tax cuts of 2018 actually went down. What did they do with that money? They put it into speculation fueled by the Fed put, if jobs were created they were low-paying, non-union gig jobs as those jobs as a percentage of hiring increased.
Business Man
Business Man
3 years ago
Reply to  Bbbbbbb
Your very answer to my reply betrays that you don’t really understand economics in the way I’m talking about. You have a layman’s view of it, which is fine, but I’m not talking about that.
When you say, “capitalist economics” or “capitalist politics” you are revealing your bias. What you are talking about is almost entirely crony capitalism, not entrepreneurship or wealthy people who add tremendous value to our economy, by risking their wealth and energy to create things that our society mostly desires. Just about everything you consume and live off of started with an entrepreneur who brought it to market and then fine-tuned it to make it viable for ordinary people to have. The capitalist market provides the best framework history has known to do this using the least resources and to create the best product. It’s not perfect, but I challenge anyone to come up with a better system, because it does not yet exist.
You can be bitter about it, but you don’t have to be a “worker.” You are free to start up your own business, and/or do whatever you want on your own. If you don’t want to do that, then you must accept the lot that lies before you. Or, you can choose not to participate at all, but don’t come to me when you need stuff and you want me to pay for it. I am not your economic slave. I would rather spend time with my family and go fishing than work on your behalf because you feel entitled to something that my hands and mind produce.
The reality–whether any of us like it or not–is that the reason many of these larger companies are given special privileges and treatment is because they are laying the golden eggs and because they understand our political system. So, blame the political system, but don’t blame the “capitalists.” They are the ones giving the “workers” the jobs that you are complaining about, but our economy needs. Without these companies the economy would go into a depression. Personally, I’m a supporter of small businesses, but those are just as “capitalist” as the big ones, if not more. I am one of these people, and I will tell you that I work far harder than friends and family that I know and love who just choose to be “workers.” They have free time with their families and take vacations. I have very little of both of those things, but that’s the sacrifice I make. That is fine, but the great thing is that they have that choice, and so do they.
Bbbbbbb
Bbbbbbb
3 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
Yes, I’ve heard all that before: “good” capitalists just have all these wonderful things they want to make for us worker-idiots who are just too lazy or stupid to go out and do it ourselves. It’s a wonder I can do my laundry.
And occasionally a bad “crony” capitalist will come along and break the rules of “good” capitalism and “free” markets and start rigging the game. But the “game” always eventually works out that way, with monopolies, anti-union laws, great speculative booms with “entrepreneurs” making money hand-over-fist followed by recession/depression and the taking away of the economic gains of the middle and working classes. Happens to those small businesses too, their loan gets called in, their assets repossessed by the bank. Wealth concentrates under capital, just as it has been doing for the last four decades as US living standards have declined, family formation has stalled, consumer debt has deepened and become the norm.You’re talking about a myth that has less and less connection to the typical experience of workers and small businesses. I’m talking about the concrete workings of the capitalist system. Damn right we’re talking about different things.
valh
valh
3 years ago
As a monetary issue, the increased debt ceiling is a done deal. In October 2022, Yellen complained there was no liquidity in the Treasury market. She then went on world tour to raise money. China told her to pound sand. The EU is bailing out the EU. And Japan is buying its own bonds. Since October long Treasuries have fallen. If there was no liquidity, the Fed must have provided the fiat. QE explains the dollar’s fall since October. Yellen then toured financial corporations in October, disseminating the policy. This correlates with the rally in equities and their reluctance to fall.
Yellen has been on a Treasury buying spree since, to pay down Biden’s debt ceiling in advance. The Fed has pivoted QT to halt the increase of long-rates, which would have added to the cost of servicing obligations purchased at a higher yield. Yellen needs the head start to acquire $3T. Because in 2024, the cost to repurchase maturing debt becomes more expensive. In 2014 Yellen was elected to Fed Chair and hit the ground spending. Yellen decimated yields on 10-year Notes by 33 percent during her first year in office. These Notes will begin to mature in 2024, which will increase rates or require the Fed to conjure more fiat to stunt yields. If Yellen waited until congress approved the debt ceiling, her acquisitions would become costly, due to her liberal spending 10 years earlier. In a free market it would be justice served, if not for the Fed bailing out her excess. 10 years ago, Yellen screwed middle class savers with low rates. She returns a decade later to fleece them with more inflation.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
What the guy who looked like Orville Redenbacker said in 1980.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
He never heard the really, really giant sucking sound from the Far East, especially China.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
There is a nice chart at the link below that shows where the biggest federal spend is and social security is #1 with 19% and medicare #5 at 12%. These two programs alone eat 31% of the federal budget today and will balloon over the next 10 years to 50%. Logically, if ss/medicare eat 50% of the budget then all the other budgets need to reduce spend or there will be an interesting debt problem.
Until both parties get behind some level of cost control / reduction on the biggest component spend there is no point in playing political games. Playing games will solve nothing but neither party will cut social security or medicare because whoever does will get voted out so it’s check mate, the king tips over, and the board is reset.
It’s a tough choice but I’m willing to gut social security right now for the sake of the country. I am willing to make the sacrifice, anyone else hear onboard?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
What’s your plan then after gutting the program?
Those who rely on it will either be starving or homeless or both. No one starves to death willingly. Millions will then resort to stealing directly from stores or breaking into homes for food and/or shelter.
Incarcerating someone costs WAY more that just paying them social security so that’s a losing plan.
The other option is mass murdering them either via death squads or just letting home owners start shooting en masse. Very few people will remain mentally unscathed (beyond psychos) if they have to regularly kill other human beings so expect PTSD mental disorders to skyrocket (along with the cost of treating it) plus of course the cost of burying all these people and of course sometimes homeowners will be on the losing end of being killed by bands starving people (you personally might be able to defend your home but can your wife if you are away at your job or can your kids when they are at school etc).
In other words, Welfare and Social Security is a social bribe. It says we’ll give you just enough to live on if you promise not to steal and attack from the rest of us who work.
On the other hand, cutting medicare can be a real option. Esp the huge amount wasted in the final months of life trying to prolong a terminal person for another couple months. Huge amounts can be saved there (80% of your lifetime medial costs come in your last 6 months) by cutting back on spending on terminal people and instead offering assisted suicide etc.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Perhaps I should have said reduce social security rather than cut but there needs to be reduction of these programs. But let me flip it the other way, what do you think will happen when only retired boomers have money to spend and do little or no work while the other half of the population works three jobs to just scrape by? Do you think they won’t be rioting? Do you think they won’t decide to just steal rather than work 3 jobs? Perhaps instead of sending out money to social security recipients they should receive vouchers for food, clothing and have their utilities paid by the state. Perhaps retirees should be encourage to retire overseas to lower cost countries or get medical treatment overseas. There are possible solutions and we need to start thinking outside the box.
Keep in mind that crime is already out of control in many places and we don’t have the police, courts, prisons to handle them all which is why many get released right back into the public after committing a crime.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
Here’s my radical solution.
I want to return Social Security to its intended function of being a safety net. So anyone who collects from social security, when they die, they have to pay back what they received from whatever is left of their estate. SO many middle and upper class people are using social security as kind of ‘guaranteed income’ and spending that INSTEAD of their estate so that they can pass something on to their heirs. That’s wrong in my opinion. When you retire you should first exhaust your estate (401k, cash, selling home etc), then get social security (if you live that long) as a safety net. Since the system isn’t setup that way, instead you should pay back anything you got from your estate when you die.
So if you collected say 100K worth at the time of your death, the first 100K of your estate goes back to social security and the remains goes to your heirs. If there is nothing left after paying back social security, then heirs get nothing and if you truly die broke then social security gets nothing back either.
Doing this might also convince a lot more people to not take it at all so that there is no claw back at time of death which is also a good thing too.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I like the idea. Off topic but since you live in Florida, are these videos making the rounds true? Supposedly after Desantis passed new immigration law, all construction jobs and farms are empty.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
I have no idea. Never even seen or read about this.
Then again I live in the West Palm area which is urban and no where near where the massive agricultural farms are (mostly north of Lake Okeechobee).
radar
radar
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
No point in gutting it and trying to re-invent the wheel, just figure out how to tax those who have saved. If they’d just lower the RMD age to when you start drawing SS the folks who have saved in tax deferred accounts could start helping out right away.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
The best thing to go after is medicare and medicade. And the best way to do that is to lower medical costs. Health care costs in the US are way above other countries. And a lot of this is because of the ACA. The ACA wasn’t implemented to fix health care costs. it was implemented to make sure the problem would never be fixed. The problem was never insurance costs. The problem was health care costs. Insurance is expensive because health care is expensive.
One easy thing to do is to give drug companies an option. They can have their patents, but they can’t charge whatever they want. If they want patent protection, they have caps on what they can charge. They opt to charge whatever they want, but then they’ll open the door to competition.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
ACA did nothing. You can review the long term trends using data, rather than political hyperbole, and see that health care costs have been ballooning since the 1970s regardless of which administration was in office or what laws were passed. The real issue is demographics and the top heavy elderly population which requires more and more healthcare to stay alive. Hip surgery, knee surgery, heart stents, etc. are all piling up and will continue to pile up.
It will only get worse as there are less and less workers and more and more ill people.
The charts at the link below show smooth curves always going up matching the rise of the elderly population.
Greenmountain
Greenmountain
3 years ago
While R’s are complaining about the spending, please note that earmarks are back and many R’s got their share of those expensive earmarks. Games and more games. Bottom line – pass the debt celling and lets go back to governing. Negotiate a budget. But R’s cant do that because like everyone else they can not agree what pork to give up. I am happy to give up the ethanol subsidies but of course I am not from Iowa and might also be willing to give up the peanut subsidy but not from Georgia. And then there is the cat fish….
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Greenmountain
The republicans in the house have presented their proposal. What have the democrats in the senate done? Seems all they do is complain about republicans,
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
3 years ago
Again I will say never vote for anyone who wants the job. The Greeks, in their Golden Age, used a lottery of landowners (skin in the game) to select the Senate. These landowners (farmers) had to be dragged, kicking, and screaming into the Senate.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
“I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected.”
Business Man
Business Man
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
That’s funny!
Business Man
Business Man
3 years ago
I never knew this. I’m not challenging, but curious on this history — do you have a source for this?
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
3 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
Google.
LM2022
LM2022
3 years ago
Counterpoint: This is money that’s already been spent, spending which was authorized by congress, both R’s and D’s. So all this is just political theater. It’s absurd to think Biden would negotiate away what he considers to be his legislative achievements to a gang of hillbilly clowns like Kevin McQ and Marjorie Taylor Greene. Regardless, Biden is probably hoping for a default so as the upcoming recession kicks in he has someone to blame.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
Stiffing contractors… wonder where they got that idea…
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Contractors will be paid no matter what. They have contracts.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I see you’ve never been a contractor… and all dogs go to heaven.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
For most contracts the money for the contracts has already been appropriated.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Not true for many, many defense prime contracts which are in phases.
And the cost-plus contracts make it even more interesting.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Do they actually have the appropriated money? (not quite sure what appropriated means)
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
And the contractor’s non-payment lawsuit will hit the courts in 5-7 years.
Business Man
Business Man
3 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
If it is money that has “already been spent” then why didn’t they raise the debt ceiling in conjunction with the bills that spent it?
Oh, I know why — because they lied and said that these bills “would not raise the deficit one iota! Not one bit, Jack!”
“True story”
LM2022
LM2022
3 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
So you’re saying the US debt isn’t money that’s already been spent? Then what is it?
Business Man
Business Man
3 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
A person familiar with accounting will tell you that “authorization for an expenditure” is very different from an actual expenditure. One is a “budget” and the other is an accounts payable, or a liability.
In the government world, which runs on a cash basis of accounting, the same laws you are giving deference to require a separate authorization for the Treasury to spend beyond actual cash-basis limits. If the Congress was honest with the People who elect them, they would have increased the debt ceiling in conjunction with the authorization bill. But they did not, because they chose to lie about it.
My support for this is that is one of the few things that will draw attention to the constant dishonesty that these bills that Democrats cook up “do not increase deficits one bit! Not one bit!” The lie is proven by the fact that the debt ceiling continues to be obliterated by the spending that they claim is “revenue neutral.” At least this forces attention to it, and makes them push another “yea” button in their quest to destroy the Republic with their greedy pork bills.
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
Why no clawback of the funds committed to Ukraine? If anyone was serious, the defense budget could be cut in half.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
The State Department is also beavering away to get the war with China started as soon as possible. I can’t imagine how they think they will pay for all this. Actually, I don’t believe that they do think about such things as costs.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Yesterday was a good example of the mass moron media, and the dumb-as-$hit voters who support it. Bidum, the dementia president, unilaterally increased airfares while pretending it was to ‘protect passengers for cancellations, delays, blah blah blah etc during air travel.’
I suspect the real agenda has more to do with reducing air travel by making it more expensive; thereby moving toward some ‘GREEN’…. goal to save the planet. Of course, people would never pay more for that… hence the deception.
You want to reduce air travel,save the planet, and make people healthier? Price air tickets based on passenger pounds per mile
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
it’s a joke. soap opera with ugly people. Rs gave sleepy joe more money than he requested for the con men at pentagon.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
it’s just soap opera theatrics without the hawt ladies. the middle brows fall for this non sense. don’t worry kids, the FEDRESNY can conjure up any amount of electric money with the stroke of a computer cursor. isn’t it obvious it’s a game, when Repugs gave sleepy joe more money then he requested for the whores at pentagon………
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
You’d think the rest of the world would be laughing its collective a$$ off, not supporting this nonsense by buying US debt. That a large part of the world continues to do so indicates what a hell of mess we have globally.
When you consistently spend more than you take in, bankruptcy is inevitable. It would seem highly likely that a reckoning will occur sooner rather than later. I am long guillotines.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Global mess is a 100% true statement. Beam me up, Elon!
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
As of yesterday, the Treasury’s General Account balance was just a tad under $185B.
Early June sounds about right, and I fully expect Biden to direct Yellen to use the 14th Amendment to print more money.
The guy & his entire administration are trash and anyone who voted for him should be 100X more embarrassed than those who voted for Trump.
DT most def had his down sides to some policy upsides, but Biden is so far on the downlow that it’s mind-blowing.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
‘Trash’ is generous. And ’embarrassed’ is a gross understatement. Voting for Biden speaks to one’s intelligence–the lack of it. Sadly, Trump is not much better. This from a nation that leads the world…. LMAO
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Leads the world in worst presidents, certainly.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Ya’ll like your candidates rapey…
cloudybiz
cloudybiz
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
We have the best candidates money can buy.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
3 years ago
Republicans should have been so concerned with the deficit when Trump was in office. Perhaps they would have not passed the TCJA, at least the last two initials weren’t true. I believe that we (the USA) have spent too much and if the LSG Act is what Republicans want, they should pass it or hold out on the budget until they get it passed. The debt limit authorization is the wrong place to accomplish this. If taxes were increased back to what they were during Bush 2 years, then I would even support some type of balanced budget law (I believe that we should have surpluses in good years and deficits in bad years).
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
It’s an out of control a spending problem.
Last year Federal revenue was over 4.9 Trillion (scroll down to see 2015-2022)
As recently as 2018 that would have been a surplus (scroll down to see spending from 2015-2022)!
This year the government expects to bring in 5 trillion plus in revenue and that’s STILL going to leave a deficit of 1.4 trillion and this is probably going to be on the low side deficit wise!
There is plenty of revenue being taken in. It’s just that Biden has let spending get out of control because his solution to everything is more money. Reign in the spending (by both sides).
Business Man
Business Man
3 years ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
I’m tired of people bringing this up. The tax cuts stimulated the economy the right way — by leaving scarce capital in the hands of producers who have earned it and would thus reinvest it — not by spending money on worthless rabbit holes of tyrannical government engineering.
I would say that it is good to starve The Beast, but it didn’t — we are at record revenues.
The spending has to come down first, before I, as a voter, will even consider anyone who wants to raise my or anyone else’s taxes. This government is too powerful and it has taken on too much scope of power by an absolute long shot.
When I see my tax bill on my return, I think of how the Founding Fathers would have been astonished at how much even average people are turning over to the federal, state and local governments.
Remember, the income tax started at 1% of the very top levels of income to finance a war. Now, taxes are consuming roughly half of my income after all taxes are included — in peacetime. This will never end until spending is reined in.
So please stop bringing up the 2017 tax cuts. It’s a ridiculous assertion backed by zero evidence of actually being problematic for our revenues.
LawrenceBird
LawrenceBird
3 years ago
14th amendment. Let the House sue and administration counter that debt limit bill is unconstitutional.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Reply to  LawrenceBird
The other constitutional argument made in a lawsuit filed by the federal employees union is something like the debt limit would force the Treasury Department to make decisions on spending, which would be unconstitutional because only congress can authorize spending, or something like that.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Discretionary spending rose 9 or 10% in 2023 right? So returning to 2022 levels would required a 9 or 10% cut. But excluding defense from the cuts, which is 60% of the discretionary budget, would mean a 20% cut in the rest. Does McCarthy have a plan for that? That’s fine with me but it’s way past time to put it on the table.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
So funny! I’m reminded of a joke I heard years ago. This guy was watching a movie for the second time and was surprised that the hero got ambushed and beat up. His friend asked him why he was surprised? He’d already seen it before. He responded with, I didn’t think he’d fall for it again.
Bad joke, but no worse than believing this is anything other than bad theater.
Irondoor
Irondoor
3 years ago
If Biden plays chicken with it, default is the best option.

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