White House Sets OSHA January 4 Deadline Requiring Shots or Tests

Vaccination Deadline Sure to Backfire

In yet another maneuver that is sure not to go over well with voters, White House Sets Jan. 4 Shots-or-Tests Deadline for Workers.

OSHA has issued a federal rule mandating Covid-19 vaccinations or at least weekly testing for workers at U.S. companies with 100 or more employees.

The requirement made public by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration on Thursday will take effect Friday when it’s published in the Federal Register. The first compliance deadline for employers—providing time off for workers to get inoculated and ensuring those who aren’t vaccinated are wearing masks—is Dec. 5. Workers must be fully vaccinated by Jan. 4 or submit to testing.

The emergency temporary standard, which OSHA justified by citing the “grave danger” posed by the lingering Coronavirus pandemic, requires covered employers to develop, implement, and enforce a mandatory Covid-19 vaccination policy or a policy requiring employees to choose either to get vaccinated or to undergo regular Covid-19 testing and wear a face covering at work.

It’s one thing for private employers to make rules for their employees and a totally different thing for government to cram down its requirements on businesses. 

And I am a firm supporter of the right of companies to set work rules for their employees.

But I am not in favor of government cramming its rules down the throats of every company with 100 employees.

Midtem Disaster

Democrats are already headed for a midterm election disaster. 

I fully expect this decision will add to their misery in the House and it may easily cost Democrats the Senate as well.

Finally, there is a very good chance the Supreme Court will strike this OSHA play down further adding to the pain.

Biden is hugely out of touch with political reality as noted in Democrats Take 180 Degree Wrong Message From Elections.

Regardless of what the Supreme Court does, this is a voluntary kick your own ass move.

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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Excellent charts from https://twitter.com/calculatedrisk showing real-time state of US economy. Some stats:
– Air travel now 82% of normal (2019)
– Restaurants, hotels, gas ~90% of normal
– Movies now 75% of normal
– NYC subway use now 40% of normal
Reminder that this has been a blisteringly fast labor market recovery by any standard. To the extent that demand is contributing to elevated inflation right now, it should be understood in the context of how many millions of people have gotten their jobs back over the last year.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
This got auto moderated last night and hasn’t cleared, so let’s try again.
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Official translation of the Halachic delineation
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
So how are those vaccines working? Germany: nearly 70% vaccination rate… and now having the highest number of Covid cases EVER. Singapore: 80% vaccination rate… now having the highest number of cases EVER.  UK: 88% vaccination rate… highest number of Covid cases EVER (October 2021). Israel: 80% vaccination rate… highest number of Covid cases EVER (Sept 2021).
Overall the vaccines have been a gigantic failure… but we all have to pretend that they work. That’s the game now.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
“Overall the vaccines have been a gigantic failure”
Or an overwhelming success?
Perhaps we were all fooled into believing it would stop infections with the real end-goal to intentionally allow everyone to get infected and build up a real immunity without overwhelming the hospitals and morgues? Future vaccine side effects a TBD?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
There was a recent article that stated those who have received the vax shots will never be able to achieve immunity equivalent to that acquired naturally when you get the virus, EVEN if you sdo get a breakthrough infection.
BDR45
BDR45
4 years ago
These mRNA vaccines may well turn out to be our “Thalidomide” events of the 21st century. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Letter #136, 2021, Wed, Oct 27: Viganò to Gomez
    Letter #136, 2021, Wed, Oct 27: Archbishop Viganò’s Open Letter to Archbishop Gomez
    Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, 80, has written an open letter to America’s bishops expressing concern about various issues concerning the Coronavirus, and the vaccinations against the virus.
    The central concern of the former Vatican nuncio to the United States (2011-2016) is that the testing of the various vaccines has not yet been completed, and will not be completed in many cases until 2023 or 2024.
    Since there are already after nine months of vaccinations a number of reported cases of negative reactions to the vaccines, Viganò says that he, and other bishops, ought to be concerned about the announced plan of US President Joseph Biden (link) to vaccinate in the near future 28 million American children between the ages of 5 and 11.
    Since these children have, statistically, faced little danger from the Coronavirus, but might face some type of negative side effect from the untested vaccines, Viganò argues that it would be more prudent to postpone such massive vaccinations plans for such young children until the testing is complete.
    To persist in carrying out the plan would be a crime, Viganò maintains.
    The letter contains many footnotes to scientific articles — some little noted by the mainstream media — which the archbishop believes support his arguments.
    “I realize that it may be extremely unpopular to take a position against the so-called vaccines,” Viganò writes to Gomez, “but as Shepherds of the flock of the Lord we have the duty to denounce the horrible crime that is being carried out.”
    Here is Viganò’s text, when he sent to me yesterday, October 26, though the text is dated October 23, four days ago. —RM
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
If you are a Hasidic Jew, you now have a valid religious exemption from the Covid vaccine via the following.
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Official translation of the Halachic delineation
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
The hospitals in Australia are being overrun. Not from Covid. And no one can explain why.
Alex Berenson
4 Nov 2021
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
In this crowded field of wrongness, one voice stands out. The voice of Alex Berenson: the former New York Times reporter, Yale-educated novelist, avid tweeter, online essayist, and all-around pandemic gadfly. Berenson has been serving up COVID-19 hot takes for the past year, blithely https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1320112428869365767 that the United States would not reach 500,000 deaths (we’ve surpassed 550,000) and https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1336035776887402497?lang=en that cloth and surgical masks can’t protect against the coronavirus (https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72798-7 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8).

Berenson has a big megaphone. He has more than 200,000 followers on Twitter and millions of viewers for his frequent appearances on Fox News’ most-watched shows. On Laura Ingraham’s show, he https://video.foxnews.com/v/6238761250001#sp=show-clips the vaccines, suggesting that Israel’s experience proved they were considerably less effective than initially claimed. On Tucker Carlson Tonight, he https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/tucker-carlson-guest-falsely-claims-israels-vaccine-rollout-hasnt-worked-fact that the vaccines would cause an uptick in cases of COVID-related illness and death in the U.S.

The vaccines have inspired his most troubling comments. For the past few weeks on Twitter, Berenson has mischaracterized just about every detail regarding the vaccines to make the dubious case that most people would be better off avoiding them. As his conspiratorial nonsense accelerates toward the pandemic’s finish line, he has proved himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfCMtaNiMDM:

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
And your megaphone is how big?  10 people on this blog? [lol]
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The KHN link below explains why. 

But now, they’re too full. Even in parts of the country where covid isn’t overwhelming the health system, patients are showing up to the ER sicker than before the pandemic, their diseases more advanced and in need of more complicated care.

Months of treatment delays have exacerbated chronic conditions and worsened symptoms. Doctors and nurses say the severity of illness ranges widely and includes abdominal pain, respiratory problems, blood clots, heart conditions and suicide attempts, among other conditions.

But they can hardly be accommodated. Emergency departments, ideally, are meant to be brief ports in a storm, with patients staying just long enough to be sent home with instructions to follow up with primary care physicians, or sufficiently stabilized to be transferred “upstairs” to inpatient or intensive care units.

Except now those long-term care floors are full too, with a mix of covid and non-covid patients. People coming to the ER get warehoused for hours, even days, forcing ER staffers to perform long-term care roles they weren’t trained to do.

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
A PBS report:
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ERs Are Swamped With Seriously Ill Patients, Although Many Don’t Have Covid
By Kate Wells, Michigan Radio
October 29, 2021
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

But now, they’re too full. Even in parts of the country where covid isn’t overwhelming the health system, patients are showing up to the ER sicker than before the pandemic, their diseases more advanced and in need of more complicated care.

Months of treatment delays have exacerbated chronic conditions and worsened symptoms. Doctors and nurses say the severity of illness ranges widely and includes abdominal pain, respiratory problems, blood clots, heart conditions and suicide attempts, among other conditions.

But they can hardly be accommodated. Emergency departments, ideally, are meant to be brief ports in a storm, with patients staying just long enough to be sent home with instructions to follow up with primary care physicians, or sufficiently stabilized to be transferred “upstairs” to inpatient or intensive care units.

Except now those long-term care floors are full too, with a mix of covid and non-covid patients. People coming to the ER get warehoused for hours, even days, forcing ER staffers to perform long-term care roles they weren’t trained to do.

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Unsure what you wanted to communicate with this post.  Looks like all you did was quote the original article w/o using formal quotes or blockquotes.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago

“Comprehensive investigations revealed consistent pathophysiological alterations after vaccination with COVID-19 vaccines”

“Here, we report, besides generation of neutralizing antibodies, consistent alterations in hemoglobin A1c, serum sodium and potassium levels, coagulation profiles, and renal functions in healthy volunteers after vaccination with an inactivated SARS-CoV-2 vaccine.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-021-00329-3?fbclid=IwAR2dmg6t6ARwJn_w3JpF1TOmWCEK6mfKBe4pZE78yvVXLmXr8o9Ng8aZzfk

Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
This was with an inactivated Covid vaccine from China. Not he mRNA vaccines or the J&J vaccine.   It turned out inactivated Covid can make you very unhealthy. This is why the mRNA vaccines were necessary compared to a traditional vaccine. The volunteers for the inactivated vaccine in the study above will probably end up with symptoms of long covid for some time. 
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
By the way, this study also asymmetrically explains why the J&J vaccine had worse side effects. Any inactivated virus-based vaccine has worse chance of giving you longer term issues than the mRNA vaccines.  Russia, which used an inactivated virus-based vaccine, is reporting high rates of illness these days. This could be due to a newer variant but it could also be due to people just becoming unhealthier because of the vaccine altering baseline health due to the alterations in levels referred to by the study above. If it turned out that the inactivated virus-based vaccines make your longer term health more at risk, then this will show further evidence that the mRNA vaccines are superior.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Republican-led states begin legal fight over Biden vaccine mandate
Oriana Gonzalez
5 Nov 2021
More than 15 states across the U.S. have filed lawsuits against the Biden administration over its federal vaccine mandate for companies with at least 100 employees.
Driving the news: Attorneys general in 11 states filed a lawsuit on Friday against the administration, calling the mandate “unconstitutional, unlawful and unwise.”
–    The states participating in the lawsuit are Missouri, Arizona, Montana, Nebraska, Arkansas, Iowa, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, New Hampshire and Wyoming.
–    The lawsuit was primarily brought by 10 Republican attorneys general. Iowa’s Democratic attorney general, Tom Miller, also joined in the suit.
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Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Of course not surprised there is no post on infrastructure passing in a bipartisan fashion and without any help of the 5 or wingnuts on the left that didn’t vote for it. Biden had a great weekend with the jobs numbers and an actual infrastructure bill passing. He basically told the left wingers to forget about getting their $3T package. The nuts on the right wing equate infrastructure to communism. They should be prevented from using the highways.  Now we will get to the bottom of January 6th before January 2023. 
ajc1970
ajc1970
4 years ago
Scroll down the list. He posted it on Friday, when it passed.

You were in top form last night, a great advocate for not mixing alcohol with meds.

honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
nope, not going to happen, its been pushed off 3x already, now court of appeals sees huge constitutional overreach……
Nuremberg Code breakers can only be Nazis…..Biden the Fuhrer!
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
4 years ago
Why not require people on welfare to be vaccinated?  Why target workers?  Something doesn’t add up.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
exactly…they could cut off welfare payments in a jiffy…..this is a psyche op of epic proportions and the sheep of America ate it up….
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
Why not require people who make investment income or capital gains to be vaccinated?  Why target workers?  Something doesn’t add up.
astroboy
astroboy
4 years ago
I wonder what the legal ramifications are of the 100 person threshold. Am I or my company discriminated against (or getting a break) because there are 99 employees as opposed to 101? Considering that the putative reason for the action is to prevent spread of covid I don’t see how this is defensible, or even legal. 
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
I love the words “Grave Danger”. Always makes me picture the classic courtroom scene between Cruise and Nicholson:
Kaffee : Grave danger?
Col. Jessup : [sarcastically] Is there another kind?
If we were all really in grave danger then why wait till January to pass this temporary standard (sic). Shouldn’t it have been passed the minute the first vax became available?
There is no limit to the amount of government over reach that the Democrats seem to want to resort to regarding Covid. They’ve literally abandoned every principle that they’ve stood for. This article sums it up nicely.
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Right on the money with this post!
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
I don’t understand why the first 20 vaccines mandated are ok, but the 21st is an outrage.  Or why the first 50,000 or so laws requiring or prohibiting something but requiring a mask is a bridge too far.  I mean I like it, but lets go back over the 50,000 other things and start tossing them out. 
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
I fully believe people would be lining up around the block 24×7 if the death rate was something like 5% instead of .01%. Similarly I believe people would get the vax in much higher numbers if it was a lifetime immunity (like Polio or Smallpox for example).
But it’s neither of those things. It’s no different than getting a yearly flu shot since you’ll need one every year. Those are not mandated nor is wearing masks during flu season. So why do we need a mandate on this instead of letting people make their own choices?
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
It’s even worse. mRNA tech aside, immunity only lasts 2-5 months until it drops to that of the unvacc’d. Imagine re-defining “fully vaccinated” as having a shot every quarter? and tracking it all too? and being coerced by your employer to do so?
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
dang, should have looked next message, you covered it..
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
A disease that has already killed .022% of the population of the United States has a death rate of .01%?  That’s quite a trick.  But hey I’m sure you’ve “done research” or something like that.
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Correction, covid-19 has killed 0.23% of the usa population to date, that 23x the death rate texas tim thinks it has.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Across all age groups it has indeed.
But for people who are working age (ie 18-65) it’s far less than .22%. And for younger workers (under 40) the numbers look even smaller. 80% of all deaths are age 65+.
It’s working age people that get affected by this mandate.
So yeah, I have done the research 🙂
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
first off, its not a vaccine, the CDC changed definition in September. Its fact. Animal reservoir virus’s can never be eliminated. Unless you vaccinate every bat, cat, dog, sheep, tiger etc…. Second it does not stop transmission, does not provide immunity and is not FDA approved per protocol. Lots of folks don’t get yearly flu shots and no issues. Covid is the flu, now we have haters who target folks who don’t do flu shots….its the directive of the liberals to divide, drown out opposition and create serfs….
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
You are correct, it does not stop transmission or provide immunity.  It only reduces those things by 90%.  So why bother right? 
People who work in hospitals and in health care are in fact generally required to get flu vaccines.
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Making an argument for its benefit is fine.
Mandating that people take something that hasn’t been in existence for more than a year by coercion of government order is entirely another.  Informed Consent is a real thing, and if you throw it out for this, then there is no such thing.  That’s not the kind of decision that we will allow just a few people to make on our behalf.  At least I won’t.
Just because you are convinced that the vaccines are awesome, and you can’t get enough of them doesn’t mean that the rest of us agree with you.  We have inalienable rights, and this country historically has respected rights in regard to what we do with our bodies.  It hasn’t always been perfect, but we generally lean on the side of freedom of choice over mandates with these types of things.  We use reason here, not fascism.
And, for the record, I am vaccinated.  But I am getting concerned about effects I am reading about in some research and articles.  It’s hard to sort through what is trustworthy and what is propaganda.  Frankly, we wouldn’t have this problem if everybody generally  trusted the corporate media to not be partisan activists on behalf of the Democrat party.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
It reduces by 90% in a specially selected group of people used for their testing and that 90% drops off quickly. 
But then there is all the internal damage that is being done to your vascular system by the released spike proteins, including your heart that will come back to bite you, your wife and your kids in years going forward.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Because you don’t understand science or what a vaccine is.  You get all your info from listening to the MSM or the people you hang out with, who get their info from the MSM.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
CDC Emails: Our Definition of Vaccine is “Problematic”
CDC: Problematic Vaccine? No, Problematic Definition of Vaccine.
Nov 2, 2021
The CDC caused an uproar in early September 2021, after it changed its definitions of “vaccination” and “vaccine.” For years, the CDC had set definitions for vaccination/vaccine that discussed immunity. This all changed on September 1, 2021.
The prior CDC Definitions of Vaccine and Vaccination (August 26, 2021):
–    Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
–    Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.
The CDC Definitions of Vaccine and Vaccination since September 1, 2021:
–    Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
–    Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.
People noticed. Representative Thomas Massie was among the first to discuss the change, noting the definition went from “immunity” to “protection”.
To many observers, it appeared the CDC changed the definitions because of the waning effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines. For example, the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine falls over time, with an Israeli study reported in August 2021 as showing the vaccine being “only 16% effective against symptomatic infection for those individuals who had two doses of the shot back in January.”  The CDC recognizes the waning effectiveness, thus explaining their promotion of booster shots.
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RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“Before Jones, Duncan, and Engelhardt, Circuit Judges.
Per Curiam: *
Before the court is the petitioners’ 1 emergency motion to stay
enforcement of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration’s
November 5, 2021 Emergency Temporary Standard2 (the “Mandate”)
pending expedited judicial review.
Because the petitions give cause to believe there are grave statutor y
and constitutional issues with the Mandate, the Mandate is hereby STAYED
pending further action by this court.”
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
So interesting, so many want to run back to 1905 for a USSC ruling on mandates. you know, when they knew NOTHING about human viruses, epidemiology, and things like that.
Wonder how many other rulings we should “go back to 1905” to stand behind…
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
What date would satisfy you?
And after you pick the year, please explain your actual legal reasoning, not just the ridiculously typical Millennial argument that “it’s not valid if you weren’t around.”
The world didn’t begin when Millennials were born.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
“please explain your actual legal reasoning, not just the ridiculously typical Millennial argument”
The current lazy support based on this 1905 ruling was made clearly without a complete scientific picture of the underpinnings of vaccines and pandemics. No only that, “the greater good” had a different meaning back then – especially when you weight pros and cons and rule in favor of mandates. They were far more likely, say, to accept higher death rates from treatments as we do now out of fear of the unknown.
Sitting on a ruling from 1905 based on antiquated science with a vaccine today that doesn’t even apply to the one in 1905 is pure mental laziness.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
Not getting into the fact that the Covid shots aren’t real vaccines, everyone discussing the 1905 Supreme Court ruling on Smallpox vaccination neglect to mention that the court also allowed the option of paying a $5 fine in lieu of getting the vaccine.  I’m good with doing that now.  After inflation, that would be about $155 now.  So we will get a valid vaccine card that is stamped “fine paid” and then everyone can get on with their lives.
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
I am a Covid survivor. I was one of the first to get it. I have been taking care of myself nutritionally and with moderate exercising my whole life. I spend some time outdoors in the sun to get some vitamin D. I always seek fresh air and water, and as my grandma taught me “eat your gristle”  These are all positive for optimum immunity.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
I am so glad that President Cluster Fudge has a plan for Covid… redefining ‘vaccine’ from preventing infection to reducing some symptoms.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I think it was changed to inducing an immune response. You know, like a bee sting inducing an immune response apparently fits.
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The fact that liberals thought Biden had a plan was just a mountain of wishful thinking.
Biden and his people had no idea what they were going to do, but would say anything to get the power to do it.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
It will create another lever arm for populists, who will be happy to be the “people’s  champion” against forced vaccination. Trump, or one of his many copycats, will run on this issue, as well as all the retread issues of 2016…like building the wall, and bringing back smokestack industry jobs.
That’s all pure BS, but it sells very well in fly-over country, where people really, really want larger-than-life heroes to save them from “globalism” and “the Great Reset”.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Actually, people are saving themselves, by refusing to take the Covid shot.
What IS pure BS, is that these Covid shots are safe and effective. People are denied informed consent. They are afraid that when people see the list of adverse reactions, they won’t take the shot. They are right, not to. One only has to look at the number of VAERS reports. These injections would have been pulled off the market already, under normal circumstances.
Instead of admitting a mistake, they double down and attempt to force everyone to get a Covid shot.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
I mentioned it elsewhere, but India would be interesting as Israel was. J Hopkins data – A 3rd world country basically stopped the spread with 1.4 billion people, then started a vaccination campaign, on top of their other public policies for COVID started last spring, infections continue to drop, but deaths are rising?
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Same old tired misinformation. VAERS reports are not evidence of anything. 
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
You, on the other hand, are evidence of everything. What is Biden if not a populist for liberal land, forcing vaccination because he “has a plan.”
Sorry, but I much prefer Trump’s border wall, and clear messaging to illegals, than President Cluster Fudge’s plan for mass border screw-ups.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
typical uniformed and ignorant liberal reply
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
“What IS pure BS, is that these Covid shots are safe and effective.”
They sure seem a lot more so, that not getting them….. For far and away most people in most situations. Of course, nothing is 100% safe, nor 100% effective. Biology and medicine aren’t math. Or at least not math simple enough to be deterministic. Unfortunately, more relevant probabilistic reasoning, seem a logical leap too far, for many…..
“They are afraid that when people see the list of adverse reactions, they won’t take the shot.”
The very people who are most likely to see these “adverse reactions”; and conversely the adverse reactions of bimbling about their job unvaccinated; front line medical personnel; are the ones most willing to take all the shots they can get…… While the ones most likely to resist, are the ones who only ever “see” “adverse reactions” on Youtube or in conspiracy blogs.. As far as “stuff still developed and made in America” go, covid vaccines is definitely a bright spot. We may suck at making pretty much everything else by now, but the covid vaccine world is still largely one of Pax Americana. At least for now, Xis five year planners are still at least another five year plan from beating us at that stuff.
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I normally respect your posts, but this one’s got a bunch of elitist warts on it.  It smells.
Do you really want to talk down to people who just want the opportunity to work at a steady job making things for the rest of us in “flyover country?”
Are you aware of how you sound?
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
You fail to accept that some people in fact are smarter than others and the Eddie’s of the US are the 20% carrying the other 80% along. Without scientists, doctors, engineers and similar professions who literally are responsible for modern life, the other 80% would be dead of pandemics, not healthy and still be hunters and gatherers. 
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
And without non scientists and non doctors ad non engineers, even Goedel managed to, of all things, starve to death……
In practice, the most fundamental measure of brain function, energy consumption, don’t differ all that much between people. People really are mostly the same. Some are “better” at some stuff than others at the margins, but just as wrt physical abilities (Kipchoge may outrun the rest in more Marathons than not, but from a practical POV,  they all pretty much move across terrain at the same speed…), evolutionary competition didn’t keep genuine laggards around for long. Of course, fat chance those clueless enough to pride themselves on “believing in evolution” ever figuring that one, nor much else, out……
As disappointed as it may make some dilettante with a “degree” in something, de facto paid for by daddy-whose-house-mold-worked-hard-for-him coastal zipcode, feel; none of them are really all that necessary (heck, even incompletleteness would have been backed into sans Goedel, given at most a few more years). Given a large enough number of slightly-above-average outliers, over enough time, it matters. Over enough time, it even starts mattering a lot. Standing on the shoulders of giants and all…… But the important ingredients are shoulders, large enough numbers, and enough time. Not “I’ve got a random degree in something which sounds vaguely like something some guy my teacher said was smart, did! Wow!!!!!” Faith in the latter, only leads to Chavez, Musk, Trump and illiterate “billionaires” dragging humanity back to the stone age.
purple squish
purple squish
4 years ago
Just got done hearing someone say the equivalent of “if we just get this mandate enacted, we can finally end this pandemic.” I should have asked if they still believe in Santa Claus. COVID going away is just not in the cards (with these vaccines, anyway, which were never tested in trials for limiting spread as an endpoint, because they don’t). The options we actually have in the real world are endemic COVID on the one hand, and endemic COVID plus mass unemployment and a trucker’s strike and further supply chain disruption on the other. 
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  purple squish
My thoughts too. All this damn virtue signalling – “get the vacc and all goes back to normal”. If it doesn’t keep you from getting infected longer than 2-3 months, then it’s not a vaccine. NOT TO SAY there aren’t people who can benefit, but the medical evidence does not align with public policy if the goal is to control the spread.
How is it 1.4 billion people in India can magically control the virus before the vacc, but we can’t? In fact, JHopkins shows a single delta peak, then the big vacc campaign, infection still dropping into nothing-ness, but deaths are rising?
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  purple squish
you can never create a vaccine to eliminate covid, its carried in animal reservoirs worldwide…..
small pox, measles are human only  viruses….as are the rest…..
you would not get a cold or flu if their was a vaccine
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
4 years ago
Can somebody say Nuremburg Laws.  Im getting ready for my tatoo 
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Got the notice from my employer. Good riddance to those who refuse to get vaccinated. This means more job security and opportunities for the vaccinated. Now unemployment benefits should be cut off if your job loss was due to refusal to comply. 
Roto1711
Roto1711
4 years ago
Keep drinking the Cool Aid like a good soldier.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Roto1711
Keep being anti-everything. I am sure it will get you somewhere in life beyond the cave your in. The TV is your window cage, The view won’t let you down. 
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Karl Denninger: “Unfortunately what this study shows is that a material number of these bad effects from infection come from vaccination as well.  That’s unexpected and hideous, especially some of the markers that showed up — including most-specifically A1c. It is of particular note that A1c did not return to baseline over 90 days post jab.  In fact, it remained elevated with some formerly-healthy people now being in the “pre-diabetic” category.”
800,000+ VAERS reports. That does not include the under reporting multiplier, whatever that should actually be.
If you want to take one of these unsafe injections, go right ahead. I will not risk my health or my life on them. Some of those who have been injured, now regret having got the Covid shot. Maddie De Garay  may have to pay with paralysis the rest of her life.
Time will tell. 
Democrat Steve Kirsch bought into the whole Covax thing, even getting one himself, then he got an Email saying that 3 of someones relatives died within weeks after the Covid shot. Kirsch has done a total 180 after investigating the data. It is why he is so passionately opposed to the Covid shots, now.
The spike protein is a pathogen. It causes disease. See the Denninger  comment above. The FDA had a list of  some 20 adverse reaction caused diseases. No one who gets injected is offered informed consent. They are simply told, “safe and effective.”
No one should be forced to take an unsafe injection.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Link?
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Really need to re-think your faith… Major UPMC office in Pittsburgh (largest employer in PA), all fully vaccinated, and half the staff are now infected over the past week including my wife now – all who are tested are symptomatic. If the vacc doesn’t stop the spread (longer than 2 months) then why the mandate? We’ll wait for next week, but a majority of those still standing already had it last spring.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
You clearly did your research and know how vaccines work. 
 
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
I do, thank you, and if this was a true vaccine, you wouldn’t have 50% of the people getting sick – not just test positive, but getting sick…
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
If your vaccine really protected you against Covid infection, why would you care if people are not vaccinated?
Interestingly, the definition was changed on the CDC website some months ago. The ‘vaccine’ does not prevent Covid infection. It might minimize the symptoms. Recent research in Israel backs this up.
This has all the markings of a major government screw-up, sure to be blamed on Trump by 2022.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Thanks. Captain Obvious. You clearly know how vaccines work. Did you know there is a reason you get boosters for other vaccines every 10 or so years ? It turns out nothing is preventable forever with a single shot. Like many others you forget the whole point was of this Covid vaccine was to prevent the system from seizing up again to the point it did in 2020.  You may be relying on the idiocy of others to forget, but that doesn’t work on everyone. 
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
“Good riddance to those who refuse to get vaccinated. This means more job security and opportunities for the vaccinated. Now unemployment benefits should be cut off if your job loss was due to refusal to comply. “
Like a good little Progressive.
Has anyone noticed how mean spirited Progressives are?  For people whose only motive is to “save just one life” or “do it for the children” or “help all people” they sure are nasty about it, aren’t they?
Why, it’s almost as if they aren’t nice people at all!  Perhaps this is why most Progressives don’t have children, but replace compassion for human beings in their lives with pets that they can control and “own” as their masters.
Progressives are controlling mental misfits who enjoy other’s misery and cannot function normally within a society of a diverse group of people.  They feel an insatiable need to control everything we do, eat, see, say, enjoy, feel, touch and hear.
Always remember that.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
I voted for Trump in 2016. I must not be the progressive you are thinking of. Stop it. You are making yourself look silly. You will think about this every time you look in the mirror.
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
Yeah, I don’t think so.  But if it makes you feel better.  🙂
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
“I voted for Trump in 2016. I must not be the progressive you are thinking of. “
Wy not? Nation building, subsidies, targeted tariffs, non-specie mandated currencies, income taxes, gun bans, central banks, standing armies, anti trust “laws”, women’s suffrage…. It’s all nothing but progressive gibberish. Pretending “progressive” is nothing more than shorthand for black and lesbian, leaves 99.9% of the putrid garbage unopposed. Hence effectively supported.

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