Why Sell When You Can Collect Rent? Why Move When Rents Go Up More?

Annualized Rent Turnover from John Burns’ Tweet Below

77% of renters renew their leases now. This is the most since John Burns started  tracking this.

And on the other end of the setup, would be sellers cannot get the absurd prices they want, so they have turned to renting their houses instead.

Why List a Home When You Can Collect Rent?

The Wall Street Journal notes In a Slowing Housing Market, Sellers Ask: Why List a Home When You Can Collect Rent?

After Mark and Melissa Reichert moved from California to Dallas, the couple put their home in the Los Angeles suburbs up for sale this summer. Yet even after they cut the asking price by $10,000, there was hardly any interest.

Instead, they decided to rent out the house. Their monthly payout now covers their ownership costs. If the housing market remains sluggish, they would likely keep the home as a rental once the current two-year lease expires, Mr. Reichert said.

“There’s just not serious buyers out there,” he said.

Talk about absurd expectations. A price cut of $10,000 for a LA suburb is not a cut at all. There may not be buyers for years at the price they want (not disclosed).

Home sellers across the U.S., discouraged by the slowing housing market and able to capitalize on the soaring home-rental market, are increasingly opting to hold on to their houses and lease them out instead.

As prospective sellers shift from selling to renting, that is pulling supply out of the for-sale market, just as the number of homes for sale was starting to rise from near record lows. The tight supply of homes for sale is a big reason why prices continue to climb even as sales decline.

Prices are not climbing. They are falling. Case-Shiller is a very lagging indicator, by at least six months and even it is showing some declines.

Data from John Burns also shows declines.

The number of home listings that were delisted without going under contract rose 58% in August from a year earlier, though the overall number remains a small portion of total listings, according to brokerage HouseCanary.

The phenomenon of delisting and renting out has become noticeable enough that John Burns Real Estate Consulting asked 1,000 real-estate agents about it for the first time. The numbers varied widely by region but were significant in some popular markets. In Southern California, 10% of home sellers switched their listings from for-sale to for-rent due to higher mortgage rates, and 9% in Texas did so, according to the survey.

Demand from renters, however, is still growing. The John Burns Real Estate Consulting survey found that 11% of prospective home buyers nationally switched in July from wanting to buy a home to renting instead. In Texas, the share of buyers switching to renting was 24%, the highest in the nation.

Price Pressures

Landlords are raising prices because they can. 

Q: What can the Fed do about this? 
A: Nothing

Shelter is an inelastic demand. So is food, medical care, medical care commodities, and gasoline (other than leisure travel), 

Shelter (rent and owners equivalent rent) makes up 31 percent of the CPI.

Demand destruction by a Fed-induced recession is a very blunt instrument given so little of the CPI is discretionary spending. 

New Home Sales Crash Accelerates, Sales Down 12.6 Percent in July

On August 23, I noted New Home Sales Crash Accelerates, Sales Down 12.6 Percent in July

Regarding rent, the most pertinent chart is pending rental supply.

There’s a near record low in completed homes for sale. But a near record high in units under construction.

Of the purported 464,000 homes for sale, only 45,000 are actually built. 107,000 new homes for sale have not broken ground yet and may not for a while. 

However, 312,000 have started. In isolation, completion of those homes will pressure rent prices. 

But will it be enough to matter?

Higher interest rates are not constructive for the creation of more units built on spec. 

Rent increases will likely slow later this year. But at 31 percent of the CPI, the Fed desperately needs annual increases to slow at a rate below 2 percent. 

I am not all all confident of that. 

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redcurran
redcurran
3 years ago
SleemoG
SleemoG
3 years ago
Exactly as I predicted, those who don’t need to sell their home won’t. Prices will stabilize but not plummet, inventory will remain tight, and quite frankly interest rates are still historically low.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
The Fed will raise rates. US 1Y is higher than every other rate. The left is beating the right on the yield chart. the 10Y minus 2Y = (-) 0.45.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
How will home prices drop significantly with wages and materials remaining elevated?
Material prices may drop but a lot of cost of homes is wages. Wages are very sticky. Once up, wages just don’t drop and the wages in homes are in the trades. Not sure we are going to have an excess of labor available in trades.
I would think that prices in hot markets will come down but the floor is the cost of new and new has regulatory costs, materials and labor. No one will build new if the cost is more than the market price. This will limit supply.
I still think that the fed will keep real rates negative. Inflation will run in excess of interest rates. It’s the only way to manage the unmanageable debt.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
What really paid off the WW II debt was the inflation that occurred afterwards.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Bernanke bankrupted half the home builders (causing an historic housing shortage)
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
This I gotta hear.
The floor is yours –
hmk
hmk
3 years ago
Perhaps if the wizards at the FED would have included home prices in the CPI like the 70’s it would have prompted to raise rates sooner. I think that would have slowed down the rent increases. Since they are more interested in manipulation of the statistics to report artifically lower inflation it seems to have backfired and bitten the idiots in the a.. Meanwhile the middle class suffers.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Every flavor of mortgage at year to date high.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
That is stunning, we refi’d a 30 to a 20 last November, went from 4.375 on a 30 (2010) to 2.375 on a 20. Now even a 15 is over 5? Unthinkable.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
actually makes a ton of sense to me. Those rates in the 2s will never be seen again unless we are in a depression. 5% to 6% is normal
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Bloomberg: Home-Flipper Opendoor Hit With Losses in Echo of Zillow Collapse
At some point Opendoor’s investors will want their money back.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
This is good news
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
“Instead, they decided to rent out the house. Their monthly payout now covers their ownership costs. If the housing market remains sluggish, they would likely keep the home as a rental once the current two-year lease expires, Mr. Reichert said.”
Good luck … since Mike Tyson (job losses) about to enter the ring.
EASY to talk tough when prices still high. But that will change. Heard same story as GFC unfolded. Back then it was flippers who could no longer flip who decided to become landlords.
Back in 2009 or 2010 I was talking to a property manager. Her phone rang. After a moment she was holding it a good 6 inches away from ear. I could hear the screaming. We went way back, so I had no problem asking ‘what’s up?’ Her reply: A flipper turned landlord just found out their curtains ruined.
techlover
techlover
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
The curtain story cracked me up LOL.
I am on the fence regarding job losses. This time may be different regarding job losses. Mish is of course firmly in minimal job losses camp.
What is your thought process on big job losses in the next year or two?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  techlover
GFC saw 8 million jobs lost. My guess is 3 to 5 million jobs lost by end of 2023.
And, yes, I know job market currently tight.
Small business going under … while big business margins under attack.
Jobs are elastic.
techlover
techlover
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Job market is not tight right now. It is exceptionally tight!
So will 3 million job losses from the current situation be Mike Tyson or PacMan? That is the question.
I agree with you that there will be job losses. The extent of those job losses and their impact on housing market is very uncertain.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  techlover
I know I’m at odds with Mish over job losses.
Not only will business be dealing with reduced profit, but not much loyalty. 2020 saw > 20 million on some sort of UE benefit. Sure, many / most of them have been hired back. But if you are a recent hire (especially if performing quiet quitting) without a lot of experience, business will have no problem dumping.
Earlier this year I was talking to a supervisor at factory near me. Asked about the employee situation. They could hire but couldn’t get them to stick. Recounted a forklift operator only a few days on the job. Policy for them to wear hearing protection. Wasn’t wearing any. Told him to go get some. Instead, he quit.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
The real story might end up being – assuming for a moment your 3-5mm is accurate and why not – how many of those 3-5mm are second jobs and how many are only jobs. The story on low UE rate is lots of folks taking second jobs, so do we see only jobbers harpooned and thrust into dire straits, or will the dual job holders need to close ranks with just one job? The former would seem to portend a much more damaging effect, as they likely have more home owners by % than does the pool of multi-job holders.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
With over 5,400 Baby Boomers a day dying there will be a lot of Real Estate coming on the market. Just as in Biblical times; most siblings who are heirs do not care about each other and can’t wait for everything to be sold and distributed. When these same siblings were kids and heard the Bible story of “A coat of many colors” there is usually one kid in the family who says, “I want to be just like Joseph!!!!” The others smirk and say to themselves, I want to be just like the other 11 brothers. “Many are called but few are chosen.” Such is human nature. There will be tons of Real Estate on the market due to time honored traditions. Death, Divorce, Downsizing, Disaster, Debt, and Default
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
+100
There will be forced selling (as always) … and once those filter in as comparables … down we go.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Sin is what raised Real Estate prices, and Sin will lower Real Estate prices.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Many kids that have good well-paying jobs won’t care much about the house, just get their share of equity out.
The kids that have been living in the basement will continue living in the house – unless they want to move – or party.
Eric89011
Eric89011
3 years ago
Rents in Las Vegas finally starting to come down a little. Home sale prices coming down faster though.
techlover
techlover
3 years ago
Mish,
Love your blog and read it daily.
I don’t agree at all with your statement that demand for housing is inelastic though. The price for rentals, like anything else in a market economy, depends on the marginal demand. A 5% reduction in demand can tank the pricing overall. That demand is dependent on earnings and inflation. Rent is definitely high up there in spending priorities for many, but if there is pressure on the budget from food and other necessities, people will move in together to save on rent or move back in with parents. They might even move from more expensive neighborhood to cheaper localities if necessary. I am already seeing some rent reductions in my neighborhood. My area saw a huge boom in rental prices and pricing is now going back to what it was about a year ago. It might drop further from here.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
As someone who’s rented out a house he owned, I wouldn’t recommend it unless you have a very good reason. I don’t care how good the tenant is, that house will be damaged.
techlover
techlover
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Renting a house is not for everyone for sure. It is generally a bad idea because houses require a lot of maintenance that can’t be shared like apartments or multi-unit properties.
However, if the market starts to tank, it may not be a bad idea to rent a single-family house for a year or two. That keeps the low rate mortgage in place and the owner has the option to move back in if the place where they moved to doesn’t work out as expected.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  techlover
In France a renter with children can easily not pay rent for two years or more if they know the laws and they do. I have heard a lot of horror stories.
techlover
techlover
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Very good point. I guess this will really depend on local laws. This will be much riskier in some localities that have very renter friendly laws (aka landlord hostile laws). In Cook County, IL it is so bad that landlords are calling themselves housing providers. They just don’t want to be called landlords anymore!
Irondoor
Irondoor
3 years ago
Reply to  techlover
Rent it for 2 years and call it investment real estate. Then it qualifies for a 1031. On the other hand, the $500,000 tax exemption on sale is a big deal for most people who need to move on to another home.
Dave_in_CT
Dave_in_CT
3 years ago
Back in the 1970s and 80s, mortgage rates were in the 8 – 11% range. (But CDs paid 13 – 14 percent!) People still bought houses. Today’s buyers have been living in an unusually low-rate environment for so long that they forgot (or never knew) where rates came down from. Lumber prices are way down and smart builders and lumberyards are stockpiling it. The days of paying $40K over asking price are gone. The markets will become more rational and buyers will still buy houses- at rational prices. Maybe Mish can use his computer to tell us the net comparative difference between a 3% mortgage and a 6% mortgage on a $200K loan on a $175K income. What’s the net difference to the homeowner’s bottom line after the tax deduction for mortgage interest is taken? My back-of-the-envelope scribblings show a $1,300 reduction in taxes at the 6% rate. So you’re paying $12,000 in interest instead of $6000, but you’ll pay $1,300 less in taxes. Your net change is +4,700, or about $400 a month for the higher rate. Not the end of the world by a long shot. If that $400 would prevent you from buying a house, maybe you’re not ready to buy a house, and that’s nothing to be ashamed about. Just keep on working for another year or two and save some more for a bigger down payment. And when rates blip down a point, go for it. Mish, can you run the numbers in case I’m totally off base?
dbannist
dbannist
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave_in_CT
Some problems with your reasoning:
1. Most people do not make 175k in income. In fact, almost nobody does. Therefore the reasoning you provided, though sound, doesn’t apply to nearly anyone and will not affect the housing market much.
2. Very few people benefit from the mortgage deduction. I’m a solid middle class person who has never benefitted a single dollar from the mortgage interest deduction, due to maximizing my deductions. I make a good income, but not enough for the mortgage deduction to help. Therefore that 1300 you claim is reduced is a zero for me, and most other Americans.

dbannist
dbannist
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave_in_CT
I’ll add this: I have kids, and only 1200 of the 2000 CTC is refundable, meaning I get another 2400 back for my 3 kids but only if I make enough to pay taxes.
For me that means I have to earn 80k before a single dollar of mortgage tax deductions have any value to me. Most of America doesn’t have a family income of 80k in combined family income therefore most families will not benefit from the mortgage interest deduction.

I do make more than 80k, quite a bit more, but I also have no mortgage now (as of 2 years ago.) I debated getting one back when rates were 2.40 around here in NC and using the proceeds to buy rental property. While that would have been the wise thing to do financially it would have taken a bit of piece of mind away and I decided it wasn’t worth it.

All that to say you are correct in your math, but wrong if you think that any of that matters to 95% of America who don’t even earn half the income you gave as a sample.

techlover
techlover
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave_in_CT
Comparisons with 70s and 80s is not very relevant regarding interest rates. We are in a very different economy structurally. The debt is just too much to support that kind of rate environment.
It is likely that Fed rates north of 5% will break some big things like a major currency or the economy of a major ally or trading partner. The Fed will then need to cut back in a hurry and will lose credibility. So rates are likely to be contained.
If something major breaks and the Fed doesn’t react, it may cause a major depression and rates will likely collapse along with the economy. I don’t see how we can have mortgage rates beyond 7%.
I agree with Mish that we are close to the upper limit on Fed rates. They will continue with QT though so there is a lot of pain for asset prices yet to come.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  techlover
Taylor Rule:
“… a central bank implements a stabilizing monetary
policy when it raises the nominal interest rate by more than an increase
in inflation. In other words, the Taylor rule prescribes a relatively high interest
rate in the situation when actual inflation is higher than targeted.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_rule
techlover
techlover
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The train for sane monitory policy left the station long ago! Good luck with the rules of the past. There are very real limitations on what the Fed can do currently.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Eviction to the rescue : 5M apts/ houses available for rent by Xmas.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
~90 days ’till Christmas.
Unless eviction proceedings are filed this week it’s too late for Christmas.
It usually takes awhile to get folks out of your property.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
The Fed will raise rates to fight inflation like Paul Volcker. The Fed fight o/n hypo clogging to avoid an “event”. FEDRATE minus SOFT = 0.05.
Sentiment at rock bottom, but SOFR don’t care. Landlords don’t care either, tenants do, but where can they go…
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
techlover
techlover
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Aren’t evictions net wash for rental markets though? Those evicted will need to rent too?
Dave_in_CT
Dave_in_CT
3 years ago
The rent in my kid’s NYC apartment, a block from Lincoln Center, is scheduled to increase 24% in a single year, to $3,000. The apartment is in a 4 story 1900-era rabbit warren. The Kitchen-eating area-living room is about 9 feet by 14 feet. The bedroom is 3/4 filled by a full-size bed. Addicts shoot up in the park next door to his building. Vandalized cars line the street. Three hundred feet down the road are gleaming high-rise apartments. Can’t imagine what those are going for. His entire apartment could easily fit in half of my first floor here in CT, with plenty of room left over. And his rent is more than my mortgage. Something is going to break in NYC. Luckily my kid won’t be there when it does- he’s moving out.
dbannist
dbannist
3 years ago
Anyone who wants to move to a new location, upgrade or move closer to work\family must do the math. I suspect most have and have concluded that they just aren’t going to move.

Like money supply liquidity, the liquidity of houses is going to dry up. People with 30 year mortgages (most of the US) at 3% aren’t going to move when interest rates are at 6.5%. Moving to a new home will ruin their finances, since even buying the exact same value home will mean they lose their 3% mortgage and trade it for one more than 2x that.

The result? People stay put. The housing market is going to have very low inventory, not because of a housing shortage but because no one is moving. There may be a housing shortage, but higher interest rates are going to guarantee that people cannot move.

dbannist
dbannist
3 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
And, what does this lack of inventory and houses for sale do to real estate commissions? They dry up.

If you are realtor you are going to have a much worse year than last year, that’s baked in for certain. If I was working on my realtor license, I’d be rethinking my plans.

Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
Realtors are already in recession. In many communities there are more Realtors than listings.
dbannist
dbannist
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Yeah, here too. It’s going to get much worse. I think this will be a rare period where house prices fall and inventory falls as the real estate market seizes up due to no one moving. The only things for sale will be newer homes that few can afford at higher interest rates.

There’s going to be a lot of builders taking haircuts pretty soon methinks.

techlover
techlover
3 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
I agree there will be low inventory because no one wants to pay/close a 3% mortgage to get a 6.5% one. The market will consist of forced sales (death, divorce, health related moves etc) and new homes.
If prices tank, new homes will not be built as the cost of building one is not going down considerably. New homes are rarely built in an environment of declining home prices. It just doesn’t make sense.
So there will be a weird market for some time with very slow declining market prices with a lot lower volume.
billybobjr
billybobjr
3 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
I think I saw that around 40% or so homes do not have a mortgage and are owned out right . The stimulus created due to low rates
is over because the refi is dead and a ton of money was borrowed into existence with cheap loans cash outs for upgrades and other things .
That was a huge stimulus for the economy over last 2 years but is pretty much gone now . I saw tons of of contractor trucks lined up
do remodels on homes a over last 2 years I see none now .
dbannist
dbannist
3 years ago
Reply to  billybobjr
It’s true that there are many homes mortgage free. These are mostly due to retirees or older people, also investors who pay cash.

I suspect that most homes that are put up for sale that aren’t forced sales are from younger people, who keep the market liquid by upgrading, career change to new city, etc. If that ceases then I see the liquidity of real estate, which already isn’t very liquid, tightening by a lot, making it even worse because people will be afraid to move not just because they’d change a 3% mortgage for a 7 percent one, but because they will be afraid they can’t find anything, because nothing is for sale.

It could get ugly, quickly. If the GFC taught us anything is that stuff goes down faster than anyone can imagine or predict.

xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  billybobjr
It also takes a lot of property off the resale market. Still a lot of cash being generated from those low mortgages. Increases cash flow month after month. A gift to those who refi’d and will stay in their homes for a long time.

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