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NAHB National Housing Market Index Declines for the 9th Consecutive Month

NAHB data, chart by Mish

“Home builder confidence declined for the ninth straight month in September, according to the NAHB/@WellsFargo  Housing Market Index (HMI). This month’s reading of 46 is the lowest since 2014 (excepting the COVID crash).”

Please consider the National Association of Homebuilders (NAHB) HMI Data for September. 

The NAHB/Wells Fargo HMI is a weighted average of three separate component indices: Present Single-Family Sales, Single-Family Sales for the Next Six Months, and Traffic of Prospective Buyers. Each month, a panel of builders rates the first two on a scale of “good,” “fair” or “poor” and the last on a scale of “high to very high,” “average” or “low to very low”. An index is calculated for each series by applying the formula “(good – poor + 100)/2” or, for Traffic, “(high/very high – low/very low + 100)/2”.

Each resulting index is first seasonally adjusted, then weighted to produce the HMI. The weights are .5920 for Present Sales, .1358 for Sales for the Next Six Months, and .2722 for Traffic. The weights were chosen to maximize the correlation with starts through the following six months. The HMI can range between 0 and 100.

NAHB HMI Components 

NAHB HMI Component Details

Amusing Look Ahead

  • The red line (what homebuilders think will happen looking 6 months ahead) is amusing. 
  • In March, looking 6 months ahead, the index was 70. 
  • Fast forward to September and the actual traffic was 31 and present conditions 54.

Acceleration to the downside happened in May with a 9-point drop in present conditions and an 8-point drop in traffic.

 The overall HMI also dropped 8 points in May. 

Real Consumer Spending 

Real consumer spending also plunged in May and has generally fallen since. 

For discussion, please see Factoring in Revisions and Inflation, Retail Sales Remain Very Weak

I made a point of falling retail sales in May noting warnings from Walmart and repeat warnings from Target.

Based on expectations of a housing crash I forecast a recession starting in May, and still see things that way.

If consumer spending and housing remain weak, as I expect, we will have a third quarter of negative GDP.

Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

Label it how you like, but the net result is a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

Stocks are not priced for any of this.

Meanwhile, please ponder my question What’s the Likelihood of a Fed Policy Error in the Opposite Direction?

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Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago

Stupid is as
stupid does. Vi, the income velocity of funds, falls (reflecting money demand)
while Vt accelerates, the transaction’s velocity of funds (reflecting an
increase in money flows). Vt was used in American Yale Professor Irving
Fisher’s truistic “equation of exchange”. N-gDp is a subset of money
flows.
It’s exactly as Lawrence K. Roos, Past President,
Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis and past member of the FOMC (the policy arm
of the Fed) as cited in the WSJ April 10, 1986:
“…I do not believe that the control of
money growth ever became the primary priority of the Fed. I think that there
was always and still is, a preoccupation with stabilization of interest
rates”.
Not so liberated, Chairman Paul Volcker, in a 1982
WSJ article was quoted as saying that he “believes in principle the Fed should
pay interest on reserves held against deposits on rounds of equity” and “as a
matter of principle favors payment of interest on all reserve balances”.
” as income velocity that cannot but impress
anyone who works extensively with monetary data” (Friedman, 1956, p. 21).
Or (WSJ, Sept. 1, 1983)
Friedman bastardized the equation of exchange that
he had printed on his car license plate. The transactions’ velocity of money
has sometimes moved in the opposite direction as income velocity, as in
1974-1975 or 1978.
re: “the ‘mystery of the missing money’ (Goldfeld
et al., 1976).
The transactions velocity of money was a
statistical stepchild. I.e., virtually all the demand drafts that were drawn on
DFIs, the CUs, S&Ls, etc., cleared through DDs – except those drawn on
MSBs, interbank & the U.S. government. That is all “new payment
methods” clear through transactions’ deposits, i.e., thru the payment’s
system…
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago

Economists are
nuts. We have Karl Marx’s rentier capitalism. Why do you think murder rates are
rising? Social behavior is pre-programmed.

George
Bailey’s “Its a Wonderful Life” was derived by putting savings back to work,
where velocity was 2/3 and money was 1/3. The banksters seeking to gain a
larger portion of the loan pie, drove up Reg. Q ceilings, inducing nonbank
disintermediation. The economic engine is now being run in reverse.

“The 30-year Bankrate.com mortgage rate has more than double since last summer, spiking by 3.32%. Far more than the corporate bond index yield (which moved 3.14% higher) or the 10-year treasury yield which is “only” 2.25% more than it was. This is a reasonable comparison, given all three of these have similar duration.”
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
“Why do you think murder rates are
rising? Social behavior is pre-programmed.”
No cash bail. In Illinois, the Safe-T Act takes place in January. 100 of 102 Illinois states attorneys are opposed to it. Charged with second degree murder and out on the street again, free to commit another before trial. Apparently, Harris County Texas has a similar problem. Something like 135 people have been murdered since 2018, after people who should have been retained after a previous crime, were allowed back out in public before trial.
A number of cities in L.A. County, including Beverly Hills, where rich liberals live, gave a vote of no confidence in Soros D.A. Gascon. There have been 2 failed recall attempts against him already. The second would have gotten on the ballot, except that too many signatures were ruled invalid.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
I truly don’t like riots, to put it mildly, but I might turn a blind eye if Compton terrorized the hills above Malibu where the Hollyweirdos live.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
See: US Building Permits Crash In August, Multi-Family Starts Hit Record High
What we have is an acceleration in rentier capitalism. Karl Marx nailed it. It axiomatic that the smaller the degree of price
competition in a market and the greater the degree of private unregulated
monopoly power over prices and output, then the higher the amount of unit
prices, the greater the tendency for restricted output and employment and the
smaller the degree of downward price flexibility.

Under these conditions, unless money expands at least at the
rate prices are being pushed up, output cannot be sold and hence the workforce
will be cut back.

The
actual or “administered” prices (oligopoly, monopsony, and monopoly
elements) would not be the “asked” prices, were they not “validated”
by M*Vt (money Xs velocity), i.e., “validated” by the world’s Central Banks.

We necessarily
have regulated capitalism. That’s why we have the Sherman and Clayton Acts.
“Section 7 of the Clayton Act prohibits mergers and acquisitions when the
effect “may be substantially to lessen competition, or to tend to create a
monopoly.”

Antitrust actions
should be conducted on the basis of the most economical size of plant. That is,
limit corporations to a size that would achieve minimum unit costs at optimum
rates of output. Outlaw the conglomerate and holding companies beyond the first
degree, and severely restrict vertical as well as horizontal corporate
aggregations. That is to say, prohibit corporations from conducting unrelated
activities under a single corporate roof, from expanding in order to broaden
their share of the market or from controlling their suppliers through ownership
or legal devices.

Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
I don’t think housing prices will crash. They will come down some – maybe 15%. Supply will dry up as no one is going to build a house that costs more than the market will pay. Labor is a big part of home costs and it isn’t going to go down. Trades labor costs are more likely to rise. Materials will drop some but not enough to crater home values. Rents will be sticky and that will also support home prices.
Northeaster
Northeaster
3 years ago
In MA/NH (I run a brokerage), desirable communities (aka upper/wealthy), people are still buying, many in cash or investors, or a unicorn, a 20-something organized crime member pays cash for a $4-plus million property in cash (probably laundering money).

We’re down about 12% in sold listings across both states for the past six months, and fewer listings in general. A partner mortgage broker just this week said she’s never been LESS busy since 2008. After tomorrow, give it a month lag, going in to slow season, the number will only increase in days on market/not sold. Price “adjustments” won’t matter, especially in middle class communities where most are sitting on 2.5%-3% refi’s.

Real Estate usually makes up 15%-20% of your states economy (YMMV) when you figure all the people involved. Here it comes…

Mish if you want a report run from either state, let me know.
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
7% 30 year mortgage rates by November. I have friends buying houses right now as FOMO still persists. I continue to wonder how those $3,000+ monthly mortgages will be paid consistantly. They won’t.
The millenials will be so paycheck to paycheck bound, due to their mortgage and car payments, that savings, let alone investments, will be non-existant for them. Debt to income ratio north of 50%, on average, for this generation?
The only hope is a decade of deflation, but the FED cares only for those with means which benefit by inflation. Fully expect QE by next year. The FED knows nothing else.
Mish is right. A decade of slow growth is ahead of us.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Sunriver
The millenials expect to be “BAILED” out by the Gov’t!!!!
Dean_70
Dean_70
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Chances are high that they will. Socialism is very much alive and thriving and it seeps deeply into our dependencies.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Dean_70
Phase of the cycle. FDR was very popular in the 1930’s. What was old, becomes new again.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Sunriver
Here’s an example of how crazy real estate still is in my area, Woodstock GA: 2,665 SF, .1 acres and no garage, street parking.
I means it’s just utter madness.
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
A great FOMO example. Somehow, I just don’t feel like I’m missing out.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
At least that’s in a city where you might have a job to pay it.
Check these out in Rural Canada near my parents. When I say rural, I mean the nearest town has only 2500 people in it and the nearest city has only 40K and that’s more than 30 minutes away. How can anyone make enough to pay for this?
There are tons more just like it. There is no way people in towns with 2500 people and the nearest city having only 40K people can afford this.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago

Until we get to 100% of builders cutting prices, then we’re not in a “real” real estate recession. Rather, it’s just builders still trying to maximize profit rather than trying to stay in business. MND shows the 30YFRM at 6.42% today and there’s still not broad price declines after four months of above 5% 30YFRM.

That should remind us all how much money is still chasing real estate. It’s like the broader economy. We’re not in a real recession until there’s broad job losses. At this point, there’s no telling if or when we’ll get to that point just like having 100% of builders cutting prices.

We are no where near a real recession. It’ll take a lot longer to counter act $11T in stimulus plus the $2T FJN has enacted this year alone.

We’re at 3.5M new mouths to feed, cloth, shelter / rent, give free health care to & employ since FJB took the helm. That’s a lot of upward pressure on inflation that nobody wants to address.
Fantastic interview last night, FJB. Pelley was gushing all over you.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Inflation bacwardation : the current inflation is higher than future inflation. The front end is lower than the current inflation, but the 10Y is higher than the future inflation. Inflation is sticky. Higher mortgage rates and millions evictions might dislodge owner rent. The black market and dislodge tenants might reduce wages
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
What you’re looking at is a gradual deceleration in inflation, and a big deceleration in real output (stagflation).
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Any more bad news like this and I’m gonna have a housing crashgasm. Been sitting on a mountain of cash waiting for the right time to buy and now I have the pick of the litter with Treasury bonds yielding 4%, dividend stocks on massive discount, real estate crashing to pick up pennies on the dollar. I’m like a kid in a candy store. More! more! more! And as a bonus USD super strong to make my overseas vacations dirt cheap.
I’m in heaven!
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
It’s still too early to buy. One of MISH’s recent posts shows most housing cycles do not bottom before a recession is called. Wait for sales volumes to drop below the COVID low. Mainstream media is still optimistic about housing, so wait for them to report lots of carnage.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
MPO45/Realist/Imgreen/Papadave was already touting everyone to buy housing when it was at its peak, well over a year ago. Called anyone a idiot who mentioned recession and said no recession. Also could not understand why anyone wasnt 100% invested claiming anyone holding cash was an idiot.
Now claims to have cash to buy housing and stocks. Realist plays this blog like a penny stock bullboard always claiming to be making money and uses multiple aliases to support himself. Oh yeah, will tell anyone bashing his democratics to stop wasting time stopping talking politics but has no issue relentlessly bashing republicans.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Oh really? Why don’t you post some links, a SINGLE ONE, where I was telling people to buy housing at its peak. You won’t do it because it doesn’t exist. I have been buying dividend stocks on companies I will hold forever and I will buy more as they drop over the next 18 months. I haven’t been wrong about my strategy.
I can easily discredit you with links to my comments:
Mish wasn’t wrong, he just calls recessions too early.
As for housing, I have repeatedly stated I am in the MARKET for housing, particularly in Chicago area but the cap rates aren’t worth it yet. As soon as I buy something i will let you know.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
There is nothing in your links that discredits anything I have said. The one problem that I have with this blog even though I enjoy Mishes viewpoints is that I am not able to view posters history. If I could you would look like a bumbling idiot. I can only access my own history. Remember we already had this discussion already when you were Realist and you were recommending buying housing and I was saying that housing is at a peak and repeatedly asked you for your opinion on whether housing was at a peak or not. Oh yeah, I forgot you also refused to answer whether or not the stock market was in a bubble?
Roadrunner12 7 months ago
“Own a house and participate in the increase in value of this asset class.”
“Invest in the stocks of oil and gas companies. “
“Buy gold? I wouldn’t recommend that.”
We are in a major housing bubble. I expect many are gonna get burned just like in 2008.
Oil and gas has done well and the easy money has been made. Although oil and gas outlook looks to be good for oil companies, I believe there is still a major recession/depression to play out.
Im not sure why if you are so against gold why you own some. Your saying you own gold but dont recommend people have gold is a confusing stance.
I am quite happy making 8.5% in my gold stash over the last 15 years and expect that to continue.
Meanwhile I do admit buy the dip has played out well, I do expect that to change and I expect the Buy the Dippers to lose their shirt at some point.
Do you think we are in a housing or stock market bubble?
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
” If I could you would look like a bumbling idiot. I can only access my own history. Remember we already had this discussion already when you were Realist and you were recommending buying housing and I was saying that housing is at a peak and repeatedly asked you for your opinion on whether housing was at a peak or not. Oh yeah, I forgot you also refused to answer whether or not the stock market was in a bubble?”
Well now you have outed yourself as a trumper or boomer, probably both. You make an accusation and then can’t back it up with any links just your vague memory. I’ll get to your improperly phrased question at the bottom.
“Im not sure why if you are so against gold why you own some. Your saying you own gold but dont recommend people have gold is a confusing stance.”
7 months ago Gold was at $1800, today it’s at $1664, how’s that investment working out for you with 8% inflation?
“I am quite happy making 8.5% in my gold stash over the last 15 years and expect that to continue.
And during that time frame, the S&P was up 20% year over year. Again, you’re not good at investing and I wouldn’t expect it with unary thinking.
“Do you think we are in a housing or stock market bubble?”
And here is the second “tell” that you are a boomer or a trumper. You only deal in absolutes, “you are either with me or against me” or “you are either with gold or against it.” Stocks and housing are either in a bubble or not.
Here is the properly way to phrase the question since it is a market of stocks and houses not a “stock market” or “housing market” but I know an absolutist will have difficult with these concepts.
1. Are all stocks in the known universe overpriced? No
2. Are the S&P and QQQ index overpriced? Yes
3. Are some stocks overpriced? Yes
4. Are some stocks underpriced? Yes
5. Are some stocks properly priced? Yes
The same for housing:
1. Is all housing in the known universe overpriced? No
2. Is some housing in some areas over priced? Yes
3. Is some housing in some areas under priced? Yes
4. Have i found a rental property that meets my price cap? No
5. Will I eventually find a rental property that meets my price cap? Yes
It has been my experience in dealing with people that people who deal in absolutes will eventually go broke because they are unwilling to adopt their strategy. Some people buy gold then double down then triple down unwilling or unable to admit a mistake because they are “absolutists” and can only make binary decisions.
You can save a link to this post and here is EXACTLY what I think will happen to gold. The Fed will keep raising interest rates and money will flow from gold, stocks, and real estate into BONDS because they are paying high yields and are guaranteed by the tax payer. When the FED stops raising rates and everyone is sure rates won’t be going up anymore, money will flow OUT of bonds and into other investments. I have a data driven, research and analysis dynamic investment style that figures out the optimum returns.
If you like buying gold, keep doing it, no one is stopping you from foolishness.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
The severity of this top can’t be made any louder. The index was higher in the post-COVID recovery than at the peak of the housing bubble ~15 years ago. It would not surprise me if the index falls below the 20 level and takes 5+ years to form a bottom.

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