A lot of well paying factory jobs in the US have disappeared since 1973.
StukiMoi
2 years ago
That’s where the wealth handed out, in exchange for them creating no value whatsoever, to “home owners” and “stock/bond owners” and the rest of the leechocracy come from.
That wealth has to come from somewhere. It ain’t from mold in the walls of the leeches’ “homes.” Nor from dustmites on stock certificates. Nor from printing Washington’s face on paper pieces. Instead, it has to be created: By someone doing productive, value adding, hence wealth creating, work. Who then has to have the wealth he created taken away from him. Primarily, in financialized dystopias, by way of debasement. So that it can be handed to a Friend of The Fed sitting in his “home” creating nothing. Which leaves the worker with; surprise, surprise: Nothing!
Weird how arithmetic works, ain’t it?
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Larry Elder. Lol. The margin of defeat is a bad sign for Republicants everywhere.
I think there was a story recently about graduates coming out of college and starting at $400,000 a year at Wall Street financial companies. I think they are making more than 8 cents an hour more than in 1973, inflation adjusted.
Eddie_T
2 years ago
In Tyler Texas, my birthplace, people are about as religious and conservative as any place you could name….but they are getting frustrated with Governor Abbott and his attacks on schools trying to encourage masking.
I would be if I knew how much Western banks / investors were exposed.
I’m hoping it’s 90+% contained within China and they can just paper it over (with all the US treasuries they have) since they are a quasi communist country still.
China seems to hell bent against a bailout of Evergrande. We’ll see if they bailout the debt holders to contain collateral damage. My guess is they let all the bad investments go bad. Teach a valuable lesson about bubbles to prevent future bubbles. The opposite of what the FED did after lehman and bear.
There are many causes such as financialization, globalization, reliance on the “trickle down” theory, a political system which gives “corporations” constitutional Bill of Rights protections (freedom of speech, corporations are people). People can blame China but China didn’t force the USA to buy products from them. The results are a feature of unrestrained capitalism. Proper and enforced rules for private industry and trade would go a long ways towards mitigating the problem of declining wages.
Bungalow Bill
2 years ago
I always laughed when someone told me to look at the stock market as a symbol of the most amazing economy ever. With the endless printing of dollars the past dozen plus years, it doesn’t take a genius to figure it takes more money to buy stock. The housing boom is the same. People are so excited their houses jumped in value tens of thousands of dollars almost magically overnight. Yet, when you sell your house, you aren’t going to get any real upgrade from the money you got from your old house unless you sink a lot more money into the house.People clearly aren’t thinking. The inflation is here just like the smart economist predicted when this endless easing cycle began.
whirlaway
2 years ago
Only 8 cents more per hour??!! Well, if only we abolish the minimum wage, everyone’s wages will rise! *
* sarcasm obviously, but only the all-knowing libertarians can say it with a straight face!
Obviously, if you abolish minimum wage, it will not cause wages to rise. It will, however cause some other things, some of which you might consider beneficial, and some not:
1. More people will have jobs, particularly people who are handicapped, and teens. Obvious, anyone unable to produce $15/hr of output will be unemployable with a $15 minimum wage.
2. Inflation will be lower
3. Small business will fare better
4. Big businesses will fare worse
5. Automation businesses (Robotics, Kiosks) will fare much worse.
Yes, if minimum wage is 10 cents, then it will be cheaper than buying robots and kiosks. Obviously. Or maybe not! Hey, maybe everyone can work for free, huh? What a great idea! LOL
Well, they can work for a $.10/hour, and have something to do, and their life can have meaning, and their wages can be supplemented $14.90/hour, or we can put in kiosks, and they can stay home and do drugs and we can supplement them $15. We obviously disagree about which is better.
anoop
2 years ago
if you adjust for real inflation then it’s way negative.
“John Steinbeck once said that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
That’s okay, fortunately housing, child care, P/E ratios, deficits, MIC spending, and other metrics have also stayed flat since the beginning of 1973. As Leslie NIelsen would say, “nothing to see here”.
Carl_R
2 years ago
What you’re missing here is a breakdown by group. My suspicion is that wages are up dramatically for government workers, teachers, and employees of big business, but down substantially for small business employees and owners. Idk on medical workers.
A GS-12 made $6,400 in 1949 – in 2021 they make $66,829. Using some on-line inflation calculator $6,400 in 1949 equates to $69,172. So no, not even government employees wages kept up with inflation. (Just to check lower grade workers, A GS-6 made $3,450; today they make $33,903 vs the inflation calculator value of $37,288)
Update – throw in locality adjustment introduced in 1994, feds pull in slightly more than inflation rate (GS-12 wage is $77,488, GS-6 is $39,311)
Reason everyone thinks government employees are overpaid is that they fought to get pay raises equal to government calculated inflation. Private sector didn’t keep pace as rewards generally went to owners and shareholders.
Nevermind the true inflation rate – Home in 1949 went for $7,500, today the median home price is $330,000. An acre of farmland went for $66, now it’s over $3,200. (in IA, farmland went for $158 in 1949, now it is over $7,200)
Does that include benefits such as healthcare and pensions? For small business, many used to have healthcare, and some had 401k programs, but most no longer do, so besides losing ground in wages, they have lost benefits as well. Running a small business was once a path to the middle class or better, but now most are lower middle class at best.
dbannist
2 years ago
It’s important to note that this data means that the average American worker is most definitely worse off than in 1973.I’m tired of the old argument that jobs used to pay more and you only needed one income earner to pay the bills.That’s totally untrue. IF you adopted the lifestyle of a 1973 worker you’d be better of than a 1973 worker (barely).What has happened is lifestyle creep. People live in bigger houses, have more stuff than ever and eat better food. Life is much much better today than in 1973, thanks to Capitalism.So thank you Capitalism!
Nonsense. There is no way you can buy a house in the suburbs, a car, have a stay@home wife, and 4 kids with a (unionized) job.
That was not uncommon when I grew up, early sixties.
Yes, there was less produce, people still made preserves for the pantry, kids had way less toys and stuff (their mother kicked them out to play outdoors, without oversight[!]), houses and bathrooms were smaller, lots of kids slept two to a room, no day time TV, many people without TV. But then, nobody was excluded from society by not having a smartPhone or suffered any shame for not having it all. O, and the kids didn’t wear clothes with labels or compete at looking slutty on little screens.
And the stock market was in the news only when it crashed.
I make 40k a year from my job. I own a 2000 sf home, fully renovated, in the country with acreage. Stay at home wife with 3 kids, one on the way. I get no benefits but I save half my salary to invest in rental homes. I know dozens of people who do this. It’s nonsense that you cannot.
I do have a smartphone (15 a month with Republic Wireless) that gets me all the data, calls and texts I want. I also take a very nice vacation, paid for my Chase points every year, so totally free.
O, I also have 4 paid for cars (used cars) and have 50k in the bank and I’m actively hunting for another rental. Sure, it involved some very tight living for a few years at the start of our marriage but now things are humming along with my buying 2 rentals a year now and adding 10k a year to my income.
davebarnes2
2 years ago
So, $20/hr should be the new minimum wage?
I am OK with that—as long as the employee os vaccinated against Covid.
Well, that first chart shows a very handy thing: Since 1964 you didn’t need to compute CPI! You can just use “real earnings” as a measure of ??flation.
A question that comes up: Was the same true before 1964? If yes, then great, let’s take it back until it was not the case. If not, why not? What changed in 1964?
Say, given the massive changes that have happened to the nature of “workers” over the last 60 years, isn’t it weird that these two, seemingly un-ish related economic measures are so closely matched? Makes you wonder what the deal is with these two measures. Are they what they purport to be?
And, if housing takes more of those flat earnings, what takes less? Gotta be something. Sure hasn’t been taxes. Hasn’t been education. And who’d guess medical?
shamrock
2 years ago
Fresh on the heals of raising their minimum wage to $15/hour, Amazon raises it once again to $18/hour. Others will have to follow to compete for the employees.
From experience, I don’t recommend a life spent working for wages.
The number of males in the workforce has been steadily declining since 1950. From 1950 to 2000 the number of female workers rose to make up the difference and a bit more. Since 2000 the numbers of male and female workers both has steadily been in decline. I expect it to keep slowly declining….no reason to think it won’t. I think it’s just another long term deflationary trend.
What we have are a certain number of very good jobs, with good benefits. Then we have many, many more that are maybe compatible with subsistence living…..barely. If you want more than subsistence, then you need to make your own job. Nobody is going to pay you well to work for wages. Worse yet if you’re salaried.
There is room for skilled tradesmen….but you won’t get those jobs with your liberal arts degree from State U.
We have an educational system that prepares people for jobs that no longer exist….there are no more high income/low skill union shops where you get good benefits….for showing up with a lunch pail and running the widget machine.
I feel for young people…..it looks pretty tough these days. And it isn’t going to get better.
My dad always told me that ‘you’ll never get rich working for someone else’. That’s why he started his own company at age 30 and why I worked as a contractor for most of my years.
Not sure the educational system was ever meant to prepare people for jobs. It was meant to prepare people for regular life. It used to teach practical life skills rather than preparation for jobs.
The reality is that most jobs only require high school education at best. Then on the job training in what ever profession/job you decide to take. The few exceptions are Engineering/Law/Medical etc where you need a specific degree to practice and so need a university degree plus potentially post grad work depending on the profession.
The young people that I know (from playing beer league sports with 20 somethings) that are doing well are those who have invested in themselves in a way that allows them to bring value to their employer or have struck out on their own (contractors, tradesmen and now internet influencers etc).
True to a large extent unless you have the chops to get into technology. Google starts its programmers at around $200k now with excellent benefits including free meals. Not bad for someone 21-23 yo! Many other companies will start new grads at a minimum of $100k.
Those who can get these nice salaries and live cheaply are driving the Financial Independence, Retire Early (FIRE) movement, which PBS has done a few stories on.
Longer term, automation & robots will replace many jobs on an accelerating time basis, leading to a much steeper decline of the labor participation rate.
It boils down to getting a degree in an in demand field. I’ve been interviewing for high paying programming positions for years and everyone is from a foreign country with a technical degree from there. Rarely do I see someone born in the US.
shamrock
2 years ago
Fringe benefits. Now they get $5-25k more in employer paid health insurance for one example.
You mean to tell me with all the productivity improvement and technology we’ve gained since 1973 we’re making about the same? Oh yeah, it’s the benefits, like current health insurance policies with hundreds of dollars of copays and deductibles and exceptions versus the insurance plans that were offered with no copays or deductibles back in 1973.
Since2008
2 years ago
Isn’t 1973 when Joseph Robinette Biden was first elected to public office?
Karlmarx
2 years ago
Mish – this is a bit disingenuous. Cash wages are only one part of the compensation equation and have been falling as a percent of total compensation for years as workers demand more benefits like paid family leave, more sick time, and ergonomic chairs (at least that is what their voting record says). The ECI is a much better indicator of compensation. In fact, the cost of labor has skyrocketed since the beginning of the
century, growing at a compound annual rate of about 2.6 percent per year. At the same time, the CAGR for wages has
risen by only 0.6 percent.
How many benefits do those at the lowest rungs really get – not much. The A+ benie – is health insuranceand at the lowest end that is simply a pipe dream. I am sure some employers offer something – $200 per month $2k deductible. When you are on min wage that is basically unaffordable and by the way that is the absolute best deal – most far worst.
You have to provide all employees with disability, unemployment, virtually unlimited sick time, family leave, vacation even if you don’t provide health insurance. You also have about a thousand OSHA regulations to deal with. There is also SSI, overtime, and forced training for all sorts of woke stuff. Wages are a tiny part of the cost of an employee
“Wages are a tiny part of the cost of an employee”
And yet, if the wages are raised even a few percent, McD’s , WalMart and other big employers will come crashing down??!! Mmmmkayyy! LOL
Christoball
2 years ago
All the productivity gains and longer commute times only add up to less than 2 cents per hour a decade in higher wages. Never underestimate the power of currency debasement.
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I always laughed when someone told me to look at the stock market as a symbol of the most amazing economy ever. With the endless printing of dollars the past dozen plus years, it doesn’t take a genius to figure it takes more money to buy stock. The housing boom is the same. People are so excited their houses jumped in value tens of thousands of dollars almost magically overnight. Yet, when you sell your house, you aren’t going to get any real upgrade from the money you got from your old house unless you sink a lot more money into the house.People clearly aren’t thinking. The inflation is here just like the smart economist predicted when this endless easing cycle began.
It’s important to note that this data means that the average American worker is most definitely worse off than in 1973.I’m tired of the old argument that jobs used to pay more and you only needed one income earner to pay the bills.That’s totally untrue. IF you adopted the lifestyle of a 1973 worker you’d be better of than a 1973 worker (barely).What has happened is lifestyle creep. People live in bigger houses, have more stuff than ever and eat better food. Life is much much better today than in 1973, thanks to Capitalism.So thank you Capitalism!
I do have a smartphone (15 a month with Republic Wireless) that gets me all the data, calls and texts I want. I also take a very nice vacation, paid for my Chase points every year, so totally free.
century, growing at a compound annual rate of about 2.6 percent per year. At the same time, the CAGR for wages has
risen by only 0.6 percent.
And yet, if the wages are raised even a few percent, McD’s , WalMart and other big employers will come crashing down??!! Mmmmkayyy! LOL