For fiscal year 2025, the deficit is $1.8 trillion, similar to 2024.
Please note the US Treasury Confirms $1.8 Trillion Deficit in FY 2025
The United States borrowed $1.8 trillion in Fiscal Year (FY) 2025 according to the latest Monthly Treasury Statement from the Treasury Department. This deficit is similar to last year’s, despite an additional $118 billion of tariff revenue and roughly $200 billion of lower deficits from recorded changes in the expected future cost of the student loan portfolio.
The monthly statement showed a surplus of $198 billion in the month of September – $118 billion more than the surplus logged in September of 2024. Roughly $130 billion of this surplus represents one-time savings from reforms that reduce the expected cost of the student loan portfolio. Another roughly $88 billion represents a timing shift of some payments due in September to August, as September 1 fell on a weekend. Without the one-time savings and timing shift, the government would have posted a modest deficit in September 2025.
The Treasury Department also showed that interest on the national debt continues to be one of the largest line-items in the federal budget – larger than defense spending and behind just Medicare and Social Security spending.
The following is a statement from Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget:
The federal government continues to borrow $5 billion per day. Despite significant tariff revenue and large one-time student loan savings, our deficit is just as large as last year’s and shows no sign of decline.
Driving home the message that Washington has traded fiscal responsibility for total dysfunction, these deficit totals came to us while the federal government is in its second week of a shutdown. Our debt is headed for a record share of the economy and we’re posting nearly $2 trillion deficits outside of an emergency or recession – how do our leaders expect to deal with any of that when they can’t agree on keeping the lights on?
Here’s the Treasury Report.
Looking ahead, don’t forget to tack on Obamacare subsides because there will be a deal. Also factor in Trump’s “Golden Dome Defense Shield for America”.
And who the hell knows what Trump is going to get us into in Venezuela, Afghanistan, or Gaza.
Finally, none of these long-term budget projections factor in a recession, ever.
So, if you believe a $1.8 trillion deficit is likely as good as it gets for a while, you are thinking correctly.
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They will never cut spending. They will inflate their way out.
Please call it what it is, an import tax.
How this INEVITABLY evolves into a two party system with both parties being the same on key issues and 3rd parties acting only as spoilers. Once established, there is very little chance of change. I no longer play this game of “lesser of two evils.”
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The future of America wholly depends on our military power and the complicity of the human race to accept our unlawful and unconstitutional money (aka FRNs) as payment for their goods and services.
That we are passing tariffs on stuff that we essentially get for free (against worthless fake dollars created out of nothing) PROVES that not just us but the entire human race has gone INSANE.
=taxing rich
The total net worth of the 400 wealthiest people in the U.S. is a record-setting $6.6 trillion
USA gov spends 7 trln per year!
Trump is trying to hold off spending so calendar year and fiscal year 2025’s deficit is not greater than Birdbrain Biden regime’s deficit in 2024.
I think Trump would view this as a symbolic victory if the deficit is not increased (at least when adjusted for inflation) given he inherited Birdbrain Biden’s 2025 budget.
But it seems the Secretary Bessant and President Trump view this as pushing the limits or a stress test as far as cutting spending and laying off government workers as long as they can.
Perhaps this exposes that a lot of government workers are not needed in order for government to effectively operate.
=Given he inherited Birdbrain Biden’s 2025 budget.!
MOR11ON.. US CONGRESS VOTES ON BUDGET IN USA!
repubs had majority in lower chamber last 2 years, and voted yes!
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YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN , ARE YOU???
Your a normal Partisan dem/ Rep………. It’s a mess due to the last 30 years
of forever wars………… The cost is unmeasurable.
Activist judges making it hard for Trump to cut federal spending, and Congress is hopelessly infested with the uni party cockroaches to so anything. So yeah it is hopeless! Smoke em if you got em…
I think there has to be strong reason to not spend the budgeted money since it was approved via appropriation law. That is why Trump wants to make the fiscal year 2026 appropriation law about reducing the deficit.
they’re not activist judges. Congress said the money is sot be spent for spmething, and Trump can’t just override that.
Trumps advisors are leading him to failure. Mish, please contact this man and offer up your advice. Do it for this nation, do it for the world. He’s surrounded by idiots.
Trump has surrounded himself with yes men (and women) who are simply there to praise him and do his bidding. He is the one leading them to failure, not the other way around.
Right, because everyone around Joe Biden told him hell no all the time.
Why should I care about that now? Joe isn’t president anymore. I focus on the here and now. You, on the other hand can drag your political baggage around for the rest of your life. Good luck with that.
Joe Biden is irrelevant. I don’t even know what your point is. Are you saying its ok for Trump to surround himself with yes men because Biden did? That makes no sense.
Wake up ! OMG you must live in LA , Hollywood area……..
Nope. And if one is thinking clearly, it should not make any difference where they live because they will ignore location bias.
Which means I don’t care where you live. I will evaluate your statements based on their sensibility.
Only dumb f*cks would take location into consideration.
If Trump is surrounded by idiots, then how would you describe Biden’s advisors?
Single-cell amoeba’s?
I think most people here on Mish’s site didn’t like Biden so your point doesn’t make sense. There is not “gotcha” here. “Yes men” make terrible advisors regardless if you’re Trump or Biden.
But to answer your question, how would I rate Biden’s advisors? I guess his doctors are doing ok, he seemed lucid the last time I saw him in front of a camera a few weeks ago.
“If Trump is surrounded by idiots, then how would you describe Biden’s advisors?”
What difference does it make?
Who is running the country now?
Comments like the above may be accurate but they are irrelevant and evidence of your efforts to defend Trump by any means, deflecting blame.
All of the idiots left in Jan 2025, Followed Joe and gang to the ice cream shop.
A $trillion here, a $trillion there…
There isn’t a serious fiscal responsible individual among the dc mafia. Spend, spend, spend and kick the can down the road as far as you can. Let future generations deal with this malfeasance and greed.
Which grade did they used to teach about exponents in math class?
Grade 5 and up.
The US debt position is >700% of revenue.
Very few countries are in that deep; Greece isn’t even close.
I agree. Debt is a function of revenue, or the lack thereof. The debt to GDP comparison is misleading. We can’t tax all of GDP to close the deficit.
President Trump has publicly claimed that his administration has already collected “trillions of dollars” in tariffs. On Truth Social, he wrote:
“Without tariffs, and all of the TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS we have already taken in, our Country would be completely destroyed…”
Then why are we still running deficits close to $2 trillion? Did he take those trillions for himself?
Schrodinger Trump – we have deficits and surpluses at the same time. lol
Good day PapaDave. I consider your opinion here above everyone, well except Trumpedo(that was a joke)
So awhile back you had responded to a question of mine that said America just cannot compete with China, and globally without our government subsidizing certain industries.
So, could we go down the road of subsidizing certain industries for National Security, just like China has been doing from day 1 and subsidize those industries with the tariff revenue?
Thanks for the compliment!
In my opinion, we CAN compete with China in some areas. But we are very far behind in many areas that matter. And sadly, we are falling further behind.
Take manufacturing. Here are the top 3 manufacturing countries.
China 28% of worldwide manufacturing
USA 16%
Germany 6%
We are still a significant player. But we are losing ground each year and China is still accelerating.
Why? Chinese Central Planning. I know. All central planning countries in the past century were disasters. But China is making it work. That’s because they aren’t trying to control everything. Just trying to direct everything. I won’t go into detail because that would take too long.
The way for the US to respond is to identify what is truly strategic and then create a plan to deal with it. Tariffs may be appropriate in some instances, but I strongly disagree with Trump’s tariffs on almost everything. That is counter productive. It also pisses off all our trading partners whom we need to be working with (not against) on strategic imperatives.
One example. Rare earth’s. China planned 20 years ago to become dominant in both production (60% market share) and processing (90%). They identified this as a strategic imperative (one of many that they have). They subsidized their production and processing to get to where they are today. And they have invested heavily in production in other countries, developing trade partnerships, to the exclusion of other countries like the US. Now that they dominate this industry worldwide they can dictate terms and prices.
Mish has been warning about rare earth’s for years and I’m sure many in the military, tech and manufacturing have been sounding warning bells as well. Yet here we are, caught flat footed as we literally watched China work this for 2 decades. There is plenty of blame to go around.
The question is what to do about it now? The answer is to do what China did. Subsidize production and processing of rare earth’s in the US because the private sector won’t do it, as there is no profit in it. Subsidize domestic manufacturing of magnets and other products that use rare earths.
Strike deals with our trading partners to help them produce and process rare earths’s as well.
Purchase as many rare earth’s from anyone in the world who is willing to sell them to us and stockpile them while we build processing facilities.
The best time to do all this was 20 years ago. The second best time is now. And until this happens, we will be at China’s mercy in trade negotiations. It was asinine to start a trade war with China when we are in such a weak position.
Eventually, if we are successful, rare earths will become plentiful and cheap and critics will complain about how much the government overspent on subsidies for this industry that now produces an abundance of these cheap materials. Such is the price of successful strategic planning.
The same goes for anything else considered strategic. Steel, aluminum, copper, uranium, potash, energy etc.
I fail to understand why we are putting tariffs on strategic things we must import.
While you might not like parts of his plans for different strategic goods, you have to give Trump credit for trying to move America in the right direction with REM.
The Nippon Steel acquisition of US Steel will turn out to be a great for America. Trump got that done, not Biden.
Trump is starting to make moves with pharma.
You say central planning is good for China. Trump is definitely taking a few plays from the CCP in terms of making important government investments. He pushed Nvidia to invest in Intel which should turn out to be a good investment.
As I’ve said before, we both agree that his tariffs on steel, al, cu etc seems overdone.
Finally, Biden was owned by China & took America so off track that it’s incredible the amount that Trump’s getting done so fast from resetting the military to securing the border, etc.
Let me give you a time-saving tip. Don’t bother wasting your time talking about past Presidents and assigning blame to them. I really don’t care. That’s ancient history.
The only President that matters is the current one and what he is doing.
And while you seem to like that he “wants” to move America in the “right” direction, that is what every President says. The key is what actions they take.
Here are the actions I would like to see.
Working together with our friends, allies and trading partners to counter China. Instead,Trump has been ignorantly attacking our allies, putting tariffs on them, and pissing them off.
Doing everything possible to lower costs and increase production for all our strategic industries. Instead Trump placed tariffs on many of their imported inputs, raising their costs.
Lowering electricity prices because many strategic industries, like aluminum smelters, are uncompetitive due to high electricity prices. Instead Trump is actively trying to reduce electricity production from renewables, which add more new electricity each year than all other sources combined. This will result in much higher electricity prices.
We need to subsidize strategic industries to encourage production (like aluminum, copper and steel). Instead, Trump placed tariffs on these imported metals, hoping to encourage more domestic production by forcing prices higher and making them profitable. This does not guarantee more domestic production, because companies are reluctant to build new production facilities that take 5-10 years to build, if there is no guarantee tariffs will remain in place in 10 years. Meanwhile, those higher prices will hurt all domestic manufacturing that uses those metals.
Unlike you, I don’t see many positive actions by Trump. In fact, I see most of his actions as counter productive to what he says his goal is.
Much appreciated PapaDave. I think you nailed it. Now if we can only get those in power to implement your plan.
Are you listening Mr President?
You are welcome David. I keep my expectations low. And I am well aware that no one in power is listening to me. Which is why most of my time is spent taking advantage of whatever the situation happens to be,
rather than trying to change the situation. The only “pontificating” I do is here, on Mish’s blog. But it isn’t a complete waste of my time as I also gain valuable insights from many here. There is always more for each of us to learn.
Thanks to short term profit seeking being inherent in Wall Street behavior, China has proved the great truth of the old commie adage which is the fundamental message of a much longer Lenin quote, “Capitalists will sell you the rope you hang them with,” which in this case is “will effectively finance the construction of your rope factories, provide rope making intellectual property as a required part of the deal or ignore its outright theft, and then BUY the rope you hang them with.” As a result we’ve become dangerously dependent on a political and military adversary. Since “our” politicians are corporate owned, they made no attempt to stop that. On the contrary, they encouraged it.
That has led to the profitable situation for our Military, Industrial, Congressional Complex (MICC) as Eisenhower was originally going to call it, but for political reasons dropped “Congressional,” where an enemy has been created primarily with our help and we’ve become so dependent on the products of the industries we’ve exported to them that we are doomed to continue to support the growth of their military strength by buying their products which are no longer made here.
In other words, it’s a self-licking MICC ice cream cone.
TACO is WAY better @ hyperbole than he is at math.
Yes. Yet many of his cult followers believe everything he says. Without question.
he lied. trump is moron!
When are you going to get over taking everything that comes out of TACO’s mouth as gospel? He’s been mouthing off, pontificating, making hyperbole his entire life.
You know the answer to the question. You’re just trying to make it seem like it has something to do with Trump’s big mouth.
Lol! I do not take Trump’s word as gospel. I rarely believe anything he says. All I am doing is pointing out that his actions rarely match his words. And I will continue to do that, in spite of your protests.
It is his dumb f*ck cult supporters who seem to believe every word is gospel.
Hahahaha!
Yes. If you have a grocery store, you might have a turnover of M$2/year.
You have K$40K working capital which you turn over 50×/year.
Let’s say you have K$100 net earnings (5% margin).
You also have K$100 debt (K$40 working capital + shelves, carts, pos-machines, refrigerators).
Obviously you have to service that debt from your K$100 earnings/revenue, not from the M$2 in sales/year (your GDP).
Down is better than up. Just sayin. Let’s see what happens over the next three years. That’s what’s going to matter, when it comes to grading Trump as it relates to the deficit.
Trump / GOP can’t make a meaningful dent in the deficit, since most of them are part of the UniParty. Also, the 60-vote limit in the Senate is the immovable object. And Congress isn’t going to do meaningful austerity until they are absolutely forced into it.
Projections for the federal debt by the end of Trump’s 4 years are around $46 T. I will take the OVER.
I’m not taking the under that’s for sure. Like any president, Trump is only half of the problem.
From an economic standpoint, what will most define Trump’s 2nd term is whether or not he skirts a recession.
If he does, then that means his tariffs will be largely successful. If not, then his tariffs will likely get blamed, whether they’re truly at the nexus or not.
=he does, then that means his tariffs will be largely successful. I
blah blah blah!
buddy again, EACH YEAR UNDER TRUMP DEBT WILL GROW AT LEAST 2 TRLN$
ARE YOU SOME KIND OF slow, or mother dropped you as toddler??
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those couple hundred billions per year wont make any diff.
again, USA GOV spends already 25% of all revenues on servicing
debt, 40 tln * 3%..
if somehow rates goes up-to 5%, it will be 50% of all revenues!
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AND LAST ONE.
nobody in right mind would invest 1 $ into trump tariffs (building something) unless he-she got money guarantees from fed gov.
alx
=hat happens over the next three years.
BUDDY no offense ,it seems you dont much grasp w/ reality
NOTHING WILL CHANGE. AT BEST trump tariffs will bring couple hundred billions, which trump w/ happy face send to Israel , or Ukraine, or start new wars : china or Venezuela, or russia!
it is big club called UNI-PARTY and you aint in it.
alx
“Driving home the message that Washington has traded fiscal responsibility for total dysfunction…”
Voters will be getting upset, when they see fiscal responsibility is negatively affecting them. Imagine if the 2026 budget had completely eliminated a deficit.
What is happening is human nature. It is nothing new under the Sun. It is all through the history books.
Ben Bernanke said the FED kept gold because, “tradition.” Gold was recently monetized again- as it has been before. Central banks are ravenously accumulating gold. Why? History. Humans have been here before. There was a reset in the early 1930’s.
It coincided with the rise of the pigs, just like this time.
Trump fired Elizabeth Yusi and her deputy bc they refused to charge Fatma NY DA.
My wife and I SUDDENLY came to realize that 4 motorcycles, a Jeep, a Diesel RV, 2 mountain bikes, a Generator, 6 RV batteries, A sports Car, a Luxury car: ALL at the same time, was getting to be lookin’ like US Government.
No, we ain’t broke, but we down-sized. That entire list was chiseled down to two vehicles and the Home went.
Our Monthly expenses, adjusted for inflation even, went down by half. NOW, we are flying a bit better, better rooms and an RV and a Car and that is it.
If The Government wants to REALLY cut back, 95% of it has to GO! It is just reality.
I am old now and got sick 4 years ago and I am more clear than ever: SHIT IS JUST JUNK, and JUNK made us MAD!
The U.S. government is shut down, but Kristi Noem is on a taxpayer-funded shopping spree. The former South Dakota governor, who impressed Trump with her stupefying cruelty by killing a puppy because she hated it, just spent $172 million on two private jets for herself using taxpayer money
Kristin uses homeland security jets, not United or American Airlines.
$1.8T/ $37.5T 2025 debt= 4.8%. $1.8T/ $34.8T 2024 debt= 5.2%. Most boomers were born between1958/60. They are beyond peak. JP will cut rates to ease gov payments.2026 and 2027 Real COLA might be negative. OMB Vough cut pet projects
especially in healthcare. Gov size: down. Trump to Erdogan: stop bitching around. If u want to stop the “genocide” force Hamas leaders to sign a ceasefire. Soon the end of Ukraine war. The tariffs tsunami is rising, especially on China. Relentless onshore investing. Higher realized gains and payroll taxes, lower rates, no student loans jubilee, tariffs…will fill gov coffer. Mish chart: receipts will rise. Outlays will be down. They will cross each other first, before becoming positive. The positive spread will rise ==> debt will fall.
Lol! And golden butterflies will come out of Trump’s ass.
But that’s okay. As you always say; don’t worry about the deficit. Focus on the debt.
Hahahaha!
Republicans describe it as a spending issue while giving tax breaks the wealthy and corporations.
Look at the bbb as an example.
You cant pay down the debt while raising the debt at the same time. Look at the bbb
When the average household cant handle an unexpected 500 bill we have issues as a nation. More than just bad personal choice. You can only squeeze so much juice from the turnip.
Trumps tariff income will go to repair the damage done just like the first term did. Its a wash at best. But looking at loss of jobs and tax streams its prob a lot worse.
You can cut federal programs but citizens are still gonna end up paying. The cost will get push to state local gov. If its something really needed. Private sector in some cases.
The poorer people are the more they rely the gov for hand outs. The poor they take from the system.
For the budget i would like to see each department get a base amount of money to operate on for the year. Any additions get added to each persons taxes next year itemized. Stated on your tax bill. Maybe adjusted to income level. 20 million to Argentina divided by 328 million your share for tax bracket x will be ——. 800 million to Ukraine divided by 328 million. Your cost for tax bracket x will be —- etc. its easy for politicians to spend our money when they are not held accountable and we do not see how it affect us. .
Its all a big mess i would like to see some sort of planning for a strategic default. Its coming like it or not. Would be nice to do it like corporations. Maybe trump is the right president for that.
“Republicans describe it as a spending issue while giving tax breaks the wealthy and corporations.”
What about the tax breaks given to others who pay little or no federal taxes? Wealthy and corporations are not the only ones getting tax breaks.
I agree everyone has their hand out to the government. And complains about everyone else. If the republicans were serious about the debt they would not have cut the wealthy taxes while also cutting the average persons perks.
You mean the people that don’t have enough money to live on?
And if there is no deal, the howls will be so loud you can hear them from the moons of Jupiter. You reap what you sow.
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/health/idaho-woman-shares-uncertain-future-rising-medicare-costs-2026/277-540f2b9e-64ff-40b9-bba5-c891ead4d98d
“They used to be a zero-premium plan,” she said. “Then it went to $4, then $13, then $37—and now it’s $91.”
Living on a fixed income, with Social Security as her only source of support, Gilliland said the increase raises serious concerns about her ability to afford critical medications.
“I take 17 different medications, which is a lot,” she said. “I don’t know what would happen if I had to give up on one of them.”
Gilliland’s story echoes a growing number of concerns across Idaho. In 2026, the standard monthly Medicare Part B premium is expected to rise by 11.6%. Part D premiums will also increase, with the annual out-of-pocket maximum for drug coverage jumping to $2100.
Don’t worry Idaho, as soon as Trump changes your state’s name to Idahostan and gets that Qatar base built, you’ll be all set under Sharia law.
Lol.
what is Sharia law? here you go: https://youtu.be/iYL-UuNE_9w?si=f44wKKtiSpQH9pRI
Johnson was the President who signed Medicare into law. Democrats ran the House for 40 years until 1995. Medicare is in worse condition than Social Security. Johnson and congressional Democrats are now reaping what they sowed.
California had a huge budget surplus rainy day fund, then squandered it away, creating new benefits the state couldn’t afford. MediCal is now in a budgetary hole. Reaping what they sowed.
The U.S. is doing the same sort of thing the Roman Empire did, as well as other empires and the end result is always the same, because of human nature.
Even I had a breathtaking sense of the obvious from the start. Save a dollar here and spend 2 there. Still marching steadfastly toward the debt cliff.
Ain’t a cliff. More like gradually sliding down a ditch into the mud.
The best aside by Mish here is this little snippet: “Looking ahead, don’t forget to tack on Obamacare subsides because there will be a deal.”
You know the R’s will roll over. As a Marketplace participant I jokingly tell my friends that I’m not even worried as I’m convinced of their fecklessness.
One humorous point is by the time they get to approving the House-passed bill to get the government back open (for more deficit spending) we’ll be at the end of the deadline in the House-passed bill.
We run one helluva loose ship over there in DC.
Subsidies won’t matter if you don’t have a hospital around. You reap what you sow suckers.
https://newrepublic.com/post/201546/donald-trump-budget-gop-rep-rural-hospitals
During an interview on MSNBC’s Morning Joe Thursday, Nebraska Representative Mike Flood didn’t deny co-host Joe Scarborough, who told him that six rural hospitals would likely shutter as a result of the massive cuts to Medicaid he voted for. In fact, Flood didn’t seem the least bit concerned.
Flood claimed that the Senate’s supplementary $50 billion fund for a rural health transformation program would offset some of the squeeze, but admitted that many rural hospitals would need to prepare to be stripped of essential services.
“Here’s the deal: Some hospitals in America, that are rural hospitals, are going to eventually have to transition from being acute bed hospitals into, like, an emergency room model,” Flood said.
Because more people receive and rely on Medicaid coverage in rural communities than in urban areas, cuts to Medicaid would force rural hospitals, which already operate on razor thin margins, to absorb skyrocketing rates of uncompensated care, according to the National Rural Health Association. The continued strain will force them to cut services and personnel, and eventually close. More than 45 percent of rural hospitals in the United States operate with negative margins, and more than 300 rural hospitals are at risk of closing as a result of Trump’s “one big, beautiful bill.”
Obesity and overweight are down in the US. 17 medications will kill u. Replace pharma with healthy food and move your big fat ass. 17/7 for for ketones instead of pills.
Are recommending to individuals or the population?
Might be easier to balance the budget than have balanced diets.
My rural home town was down to a barely functional hospital long before Trump.
What is the math, MPO45v2? A $37 trillion national debt, soon to be $38 trillion.
A reset is coming. That which can’t continue, won’t.
It’s more like a pair of clown cars.
If not for the tariffs, the 2025 deficit would be much higher.
“Much” as a grain in a cup of sand. Save billions and spend several hundred times that. At this point it doesn’t even matter.
It does matter. So far, the tariffs have kept the debt level from rising above 2024 levels.
=e kept the debt level from rising above 2024 levels.
what ?? m11oron debt grew 2.2 trln in 2025
each month debt grew about $ 200 bil!
get lost , idi11ot
here it is mo11ron!
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debt .. reporting
2024-10-17 = 35.769 trln
2025-10-16 = 37.966 trln
Who knows what the tariffs will even end up being worth once Trump bails out all the farmers and industries being damaged by them, or tax remittances drop from businesses harmed by them? If they help push us into a damaging recession, how will you balance them out as measured against damage to the broad economy?
debt grew 2.2 trln
tariffs will bring 200*300 bil. tops!
what is much higher? at best it will reduce by 15%
did you skip ratios and division in 4th grade?
If the deficit is actually balanced by treasuries which is a GIFT of interest for the private sector, that is, mostly the banks and the wealthiest then why are you not recognizing that bait and switch?…If you think inflation is the problem then why is a strategic GIFT of price at retail sale that enables one to buy $100 worth of groceries for $50, a $60k EV for $30k and a $500k house for $250k not the answer to inflation?…If you detest paying high rates of taxation and the above GIFTS were sovereignly created simply as money NOT AS DEBT and so most of your taxes could be greatly reduced or eliminated, then why are you as a libertarian opposing the idea of Monetary Gifting???????
The whole point to the financial plumbing is to confuse the public about what’s going on. Your scheme is not obscure enough and doesn’t serve the interest of the people who hire economists and economy professors.
Correct. But the benefits of the policies I advocate here if broadcast widely would awaken the general populace and every enterprise except finance’s self interests…and that would make all the difference in the world. I’m the only one recognizing the exact concept if applied in the same way as finance and the government create money…will resolve the problems everyone agrees we have. Dare I say it, that makes me an historical figure not unlike Copernicus. Even very intelligent guys like Steve Keen and Michael Hudson miss this solution simply because they do not analyze CONCEPTUALLY. Paradigms are APPLIED concepts that create new mental and temporal universe realities. They are where the real power exists…so think conceptually and how to apply the new concept…and incredible change is possible.
Back in the 1970s I knew someone, with regard to the “war on inflation”, who said that if inflation is such a problem, we should just change the value of the $1 bill to $1,06 and apply the same to balances. During the thirties, there were many successful experiments with municipal money, and even in the 1980s I noticed travelling around Europe that there were still alternative currencies (grocery chains, post office tokens, as well as municipal). These have all been rooted out. In the US in the 1970/1980s there were even anti-counterfeiting actions against baby-sitting co-ops (where everybody has a floor and ceiling of so many chips worth 15 mins of baby-sitting), basically in a closed loop where you can only earn credits by baby-sitting another kid).
Throughout history, almost all transactions have been credit, not actual money, and accounts were settled whenever possible. During millennia of bronze age empires, barley was money (hence “grains” of gold), but transactions were expressed as an amount of barley. People ran up a tab at the local inn for beer, and would settle accounts annually on the threshing floor.
Incidentally, in periods with hyper-inflation the reason they print so much money is not because they are ignorant about money/prices, but because there is not enough money in the economy to enable transactions (in virtually all cases caused by an external foreign balance of payments crisis, sucking the money out of the economy).
What is “money”?
As opposed to bartering when exchanging goods and services.
If the debt (not just the deficit), never gets solved, like ever, and it just grow forever, WHEN does this clusterbomb blow up and start really destroying a once great nation?
And now do we punish these SOB who watch and make it happen in slow motion?
It already is, by corrupting all incentives and gradually eroding the rule of law.
It is the counterfeiting that funds all the government sponsored grifts, as well as quite a lot of other grift. It isn’t just an economic matter; once you scuttle accounting integrity you are collectively moving into grift.
If there are 200 million federal taxpayers, the deficit spending amounts to $9125 per year per taxpayer.
You can’t have inflation unless there are dollars available to match higher asking prices. That $1.8 trillion per year helps keep the inflation train going.
Milton Friedman observed that the spending of the deficit is what causes inflation.
=For fiscal year 2025, the deficit is $1.8 trillion, similar to 2024.
see this bullshit by yourself.
debt .. reporting
2024-10-17 = 35.769 trln
2025-10-16 = 37.966 trln
SO OVERALL DEBT INCREASED $+2.2 TRLN , NOT 1.8 TRLN
it is called on/off budget reporting.. see my post below
alx
ps you can check out yourself
url https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/datasets/debt-to-the-penny/debt-to-the-penny
setup dates, download csv, or json
$1.8T/ 2025 $38T debt = 4.7%. $1.8T/ 2024 $34.8T debt = 5.2%
and ?
This is because Congress cannot do anything but use Continuing Resolutions with automatic increases which are even above inflation so we are stuck with Nancy Pelosis illegal budget level that she unprecedently passed AFTER the Democrats were voted out of Power in 2022 but BEFORE they actually left office in 2023.
So why cant they get anything done? Because the House is so evenly split, which, if you believe Tom Luongo is because the Blob stole 30 to 40 House seats in the last election, and several Senate seats as well.
So hopefully the mechanisms for such electoral theft are being dismantled now
=For fiscal year 2025, the deficit is $1.8 trillion, similar to 2024.
Small reflection on deficit and on/off reporting in monthly budget reports by USA gov!!
basically US gov steal surplus of SS funds each month/year, reports those as current revenues, spend it, to balance figures USA gov issues special term bonds instead and report it as debt !
THAT figures YOU SEE IN DEBT by penny UNDER INTRA GOV HOLDINGs ITEM!
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so real deficit can be only calculated by comparing overall GOV debt month over month , year over year! public + intra gov holdings
so , anyone WHO SAYS INTRA GOV DEBT IS NOT DEBT EITHER MORON OR LIAR!
alx
That surplus of SS funds is history. Now SS is running a deficit and is redeeming those special term bonds for money to pay SS benefits.
how can deficit be reduced with 60 senate votes and lawfare to fight any reductions in programs
Increase taxes on the very wealthy. Make their effective tax rates the same as ours.
End citizen united
What’s the very wealthy in your definition?
Even if you taxed at 100% the wealth (ie took everything they had) of the top 50 billionaires you wouldn’t even balance the budget (1.7 trillion) for even 1 year. Then what’s the plan for year 2 when there are no more billionaires and the deficit is still 1.7 trillion?
Everyone has to pay more taxes or get less benefits or some combo to get 1.7 trillion down to 0 and that’s before trying to lower the deficit itself.
Any person with a billion dollars or more.
They aren’t a large voting bloc.
The total net worth of the 400 wealthiest people in the U.S. is a record-setting $6.6 trillion
USA gov spends 7 trln per year!
mo11ron???
=Increase taxes on the very wealthy. Make their effective tax rates the same as ours.
The total net worth of the 400 wealthiest people in the U.S. is a record-setting $6.6 trillion
USA gov spends 7 trln per year!
mo11ron???
Trump claims that tariffs can make an outsize fiscal contribution. This claim can be put in perspective by comparing actual tariff revenues with the size of the projected budget deficit (figure 3). The Congressional Budget Office projected the federal budget deficit in fiscal year 2025 will be $1.9 trillion. As of July 2025, tariff revenues since January 2025 totaled $122 billion, contributing just 6.5 percent of the projected deficit. It is worth noting that federal revenues collected during the fiscal year-to-date (October 2024 to July 2025) are $262 billion higher than the same period in the previous fiscal year, while the federal deficit is $112 billion larger. But tariff revenues since January 2025 are still only 2.4 percent of the projected total federal revenue in fiscal year 2025 of $5.2 trillion.
2026 economy may be weak economy and budget income will slip.
you really think a guy who relies on bankruptcy to solve his bad choices cares about the deficit?
the same guy who is closing in on $200mil spent on golf trips in his two terms?
the same guy who is covering his office in “real 24K gold’?
it’s all just more money to funnel into his political and doner base
$20 to $40bil to Argentina to bail out the wall street tycoons who bet that Milei could squeeze the littles in Argentina without problems as a test run for the US future
Dumbya admitted his only mistake was trading Sammy Sofa.
I’ll give you a thumbs up if you reply to this reply that you said the same, but with different reasons, about Biden, Obama, Dubya, etc because we didn’t get to 37+ Trillion just due to “the guy that relies on bankruptcy…”
Because I agree that the largesse under DJT goes to the same debt dung pile.
$1.8 trillion deficit for 2025?? Yeah right! Try $2.5 Trillion & rising in 2026. The US is bankrupt, that’s before the depression that’s coming & baked in the cake.
What to know about Trump’s pitch for $2,000 stimulus checks from tariff revenue
https://www.axios.com/2025/10/03/trump-stimulus-check-tariffs