Biden’s Democratic Coalition is Splintering Over Israel and the Economy

Joe Biden has a huge problem. Many problems actually, and two of them are Democrat Reps.

@POTUS, the majority of the American people are not with you on this one. #CeasefireNow

https://twitter.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1720520713226908144?s=20
Joe Biden supported the genocide of the Palestinian people. The American people won’t forget. Biden, support a ceasefire now or don’t count on us in 2024.

Play the video. It is well presented and shockingly candid.

Pro-Israel Democratic Group Releases Ad Criticizing Rashida Tlaib

In response to the Tweet Politico reports Pro-Israel Democratic group Releases Ad Criticizing Rashida Tlaib.

A pro-Israel Democratic group released an ad in Detroit on Thursday attacking Rep. Rashida Tlaib for her calls for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war and her criticism of the Israeli government.

The six-figure TV ad bought by the Democratic Majority for Israel airs in Tlaib’s district in Michigan and points to her vote against a bill to replenish Israel’s Iron Dome missile defense system in 2021 and against a resolution to stand with Israel amid the war last week.

Not Just Talaib

Biden is being challenged from his right and his left, as fissures deepen in the Democratic coalition.

Please consider Joe Biden Has A Dean Phillips-Rashida Tlaib Problem

From the far left, Tlaib has denounced Biden in scathing language for his unbending support of Israel and accused him in a video of supporting the “genocide” of Palestinians. A Palestinian American herself, Tlaib is threatening to undermine Biden with Muslim and Arab Americans who make up a crucial bloc in swing states like her own Michigan.

Phillips, from the restless middle, has gone further, launching a challenge to Biden in New Hampshire’s ornamental primary. The Minnesota centrist has called for generational change and argued that Biden cannot be counted on to beat former President Donald Trump. Evoking discontent with the economy, he has promised to “make America affordable again.”

These two Gen X Midwesterners are not coordinating their activities. The convergence of their attacks on Biden is purely coincidental.

Yet in another sense it is hardly happenstance that they are battering Biden in these terms and at this moment. Both represent versions of the Democratic Party’s Trump-era new guard: the radical progressive movement embodied by Tlaib and her fellow members of the Squad, and the anti-partisan, suburban Problem Solvers Caucus set of which Phillips is an outspoken member.

Dean Phillips On the Election

“Joe Biden is going to lose the next election.”

Reflections on the Election

A reader commented “give me a break, democrats won’t vote for Trump”

True enough, but the same applies to Republicans and their extremely counterproductive stances on abortion. Republicans would never vote for Biden.

Independents will decide the election once again. Right now polls suggest that Biden would lose if the election were held today.

For discussion, please see Five Alarm Bell – Biden Trails Trump in Five of Six Battleground States

Both Parties are trying desperately to lose the election. One of them will succeed.

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Steve in TN
Steve in TN
6 months ago

What should bother Democrats & independents is that if Joe is reelected & he can’t physically finish his term then Kamala Harris is the president. I’m not sure what this woman is capable of accomplishing – and I’m being charitable.

Omicron
Omicron
6 months ago

“Both Parties are trying desperately to lose the election.”

That is the political generalization of the week. Maybe of the year. I’m a life-long (85 yo) Democrat. I will *never* vote Republican for *anyone* for *any* office *ever*. But sweet Jesus, Biden needs to meet people where they are, not where macroeconomic statistics say they are. And he needs to take on Trump frontally. Trump is a fraud and a criminal. Biden needs to say so. Repeatedly. Again and again and again. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

Last edited 6 months ago by Omicron
Paul
Paul
6 months ago
Reply to  Omicron

Biden picked KBJ for the supreme Court ,she gave all 8 child predators she ever sentenced the legal minimum sentence
Have fun in Hades
I’m sure eternity isn’t as long as it seems

Webej
Webej
6 months ago

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Greatest-Democracy-Ever [Trump | Biden ] (* Again)
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
6 months ago

….Bidens democratic coalition should in fact have splintered last year already, particularly over its war against a Russian military superpower that according to US News and World Report is even the world’s n° 1 superpower,… and practically debtless on top of that ! Biden is not merely senile he s fc kn CRAZY and so is the corrupt criminal gang that surrounds him, dominates him rather !

BrianC
BrianC
6 months ago

*enjoying popcorn*

Billy
Billy
6 months ago

I could never vote for an Anti-Semitism party that supports terrorism and criminals.
BTW, almost everyone I know pretends to be independent.

Last edited 6 months ago by Billy
Jojo
Jojo
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy

You are speaking of the Dems?

Billy
Billy
6 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

Democrats support criminals by defunding the police, decriminalizing, reducing categories of crimes from felonies to misdemeanors, forcing DAs not to prosecute criminals.
The politicians who support the terrorist attacks on Israel and refuse to denounce attacks on Jews in Israel are all Democrats.
I know these facts may seem obvious but they aren’t to half of our country.

Jojo
Jojo
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy

The politicians who support the terrorist attacks on Israel and refuse to denounce attacks on Jews in Israel are all Democrats.”

But there are just a few of them. You know that every group has its disagreements and dissenters. Now go lay down for your nap Billy.

Billy
Billy
6 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

I find it pathetic that you, and Democrats as a whole, are making excuses for these actions.

Paul
Paul
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy

Israel gives right of return to pedos,attacked the USS Liberty,tears Jonathan Pollard as a national hero ,stole fissile material from Apollo PA, stole Palestine,funded Epstein to blackmail Clinton,blackmails the entire country through the ADL,did 9/11, committed the Ringworm scandal, refuses to sign a mutual defense agreement with the US,treats ISIS medically, controls US foreign policy through neocons , discriminates incredibly against Asians and Whites in elite college admissions, cooperated incredibly with Nazis through the Haavara agreement etc etc

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”
— David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech

RonJ
RonJ
6 months ago

Last week the mayor of Burbank CA, said he would not endorse Adam Schiff for US. senator, as he had not supported peace in the current Gaza conflict. Said he would support Schiff, if he changed his stance.

Micheal Engel
Micheal Engel
6 months ago

US envoy Amos Hochstein in Lebanon.

Micheal Engel
Micheal Engel
6 months ago

Taliban, Rashida Talib…will rule the country along with Michelle

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
6 months ago
Reply to  Micheal Engel

Taliban..”

If only….

Micheal Engel
Micheal Engel
6 months ago

Mark Levine and James Comer are more stupid than Hakeem. If they impeach Biden, Michelle will take over and beat Trump.

Micheal Engel
Micheal Engel
6 months ago

Pro Palestinian protest this Sat on armistice day in UK. Muslim Vikings might clash
with old marching veterans, b/c Israel crushed Hamas. Shame on Israel, Shame
on the British Empire, Shame on France and Belgium colonialism. The Muslim Vikings took over. Only their protest might save Hamas fighter, eating dates and drinking olive oil in the tunnels, while their 3 billionaire leaders live in 7 star hotels in Lebanon, Turkey and Qatar. Nasrallah might change his mind this Sat. I stopped watching EPL fanatic Muslim fans.

Alson Taylor
Alson Taylor
6 months ago

Talib said that Biden helped the Israelis to genocide the Palestinians, but she won’t vote for him unless he now calls for a cease fire. So, if he does call for a cease fire, she will vote for a genocidal president.

Alex
Alex
6 months ago

The problem is, every political candidate from either Party, and even RFK Jr., has stated their unconditional support for Israel. If one wants to see the power and scope of the Israel Lobby, it is on full display. It is doubtful that any who oppose Israel will get re-elected. It’s OK for the nutty left to tear down our culture, allow mass migration and sexulize our children, but God forbid you don’t support Israel’s lust for revenge.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
6 months ago
Reply to  Alex

Of course they are all going to affirm it.

But that doesn’t mean the general population supports it. More importantly, it sets up as an easy victory lap for Trump. All he has to do is come out and make one of his famous ‘I can negotiate peace in 5 minutes’ tweets to earn votes from people who want to see an end to the conflict. Doesn’t matter that he can’t do that, it just matters that he says he can. Biden is on the wrong side simply because he’s in power when this is happening (if Trump was in Power, the Dems would make the exact same claim that they would get peace negotiated if elected).

Regardless of who wins, the population is turning against Israel the longer it drags on. Eventually protests, unrest and general anger toward the government will force the US support (Western support) to end at a certain point. That’s why Israel needs to hurry up and finish their intervention ASAP.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
6 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Sure.
As the great general said “If you kill enough of them eventually they stop fighting.”

Don jones
Don jones
6 months ago

As I read this, a Virus is creeping into the Presidency: it is known as the “Newsome-24 Worm Virus” – – and they hopefully have Vaccines for it. And, I am counting on it to be an mRNA version.

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  Don jones

He’ll do for the US what he did for California: turn it into a lawless, homeless shelter with human fecal stained sidewalks

vboring
vboring
6 months ago

If the Hamas attacks had been made against a US city, Palestine would be in much worse shape. And Iran’s infrastructure would mostly be rubble.

The Israeli response has been extremely measured and careful.

Frederick
Frederick
6 months ago
Reply to  vboring

It was a false flag Why can’t you see that Just like 911 All bullshit

jeco
jeco
6 months ago

Locally gas is down to $3.05, and US oil prod is at a record, if GOP was in office they’d be crowing about these things non-stop, instead GOP is trying to whip voters into a frenzy about EVs.

Don jones
Don jones
6 months ago
Reply to  jeco

No one needs to whip anyone about EV’s. They are self-cancelling.

Dennis Campbell
Dennis Campbell
6 months ago
Reply to  jeco

We were energy independent under Trump, and gas prices were lower.

jeco
jeco
6 months ago

This meme of a bad economy simply isn’t true but credit to GOP for creating it

Stu
Stu
6 months ago

“Both Parties are trying desperately to lose the election. One of them will succeed”

Doesn’t that just say it all! Try as they may, neither party seems to be able to come together, as a cohesive Unit. Splintered is the word that come to mind.

Not picking sides, I feel as though the Republicans have a very consistent message and for the longest period of time. They just can’t seem to get galvanized. I guess one could conclude that their party is simply too far apart on a “National Agenda” to get anything on a large scale accomplished. Sad, because I do believe that they have some great ideas, and a message that resonates with the majority of Citizens.

The RINO’s have managed to get into spots of Leadership and destroyed the messaging quite nicely. Unless or Until the likes of this behavior (Ex. McConnell) is curtailed dramatically, they are just fighting amongst themselves, and hurts them both and America!

Not picking sides, I feel as though the Democrats have the most inconsistent messaging. It appears to change like the weather. They seem to run with something until it’s exhausted, and then simply drop it and move onto the next topic of the day. They just can’t seem to get on point and on message very well.
I guess one could conclude that their party is simply too far apart on any issue at all, but rather “Talking Points” of the day, or “Messaging” some would say.

Sad, because I do believe that they have some right ideas as well, and a message that resonates, at times, with the majority of Citizens too.

The Woke Culture has managed to get into spots of Leadership and destroyed the messaging quite nicely. Unless or Until the likes of this behavior (Top of the Party) is curtailed dramatically, they are just fighting amongst themselves, and hurts them both and America!

Let’s hope one of the two parties can get there collective shit together, and start getting this Country put back together and on a path to restoration of American Values, and Way of Life!!!

Dennis Campbell
Dennis Campbell
6 months ago
Reply to  Stu

There is no way the Domocrat party can put the country on a path to a restoration of American values. In fact, it opposes them.

JDaveF
JDaveF
6 months ago

Re: Middle East vs economy, I believe there’s an old fellow who once said “It’s the economy, stupid” before hopping on the Lolita Express.

Doug78
Doug78
6 months ago

Hamas is the best anti-woke recruiting tool we have seen in a long time and perhaps ever. The woke end of the Democrat Party has had way too much power within the party and because of Hamas their true intentions have been uncovered. I am glad that the majority of the party made the correct decision to support Israel, but the damage has already been done to the Democrat Party. Trump or whomever runs for the Republicans will win.

I often run into people who say that support for Israel is a generational thing and that few of the younger ones do support Israel. When I was young I was like them but then I grew a brain and my opinions changed and that happens to most people so it is not a generational thing. It’s an intelligence and experience thing so I wouldn’t count on support for Israel ending soon.

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

I am very anti woke and decidedly right wing. I am very much against what Israel is doing and against the tremendous power the Israel Lobby has over this country. Our policies should consider the US’s interests first and not some belligerent little foriegn country that was founded on terrorism and continues to terrorize its neighbors to this day.

Doug78
Doug78
6 months ago
Reply to  Alex

You are not woke but since Russia is against Israel and for Hamas, you follow their line. Has nothing to do with woke or not but just is your political preference.

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

It has nothing to do with Russia. It has everything to do with the power and influence of the Israeli Lobby and being against our country enabling the mass murder of innocent civilians. WI th out out military and financial support Israel wouldn’t be able to do what it does.

Frederick
Frederick
6 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Hey little Dougie Go to your room

Ge No
Ge No
6 months ago
Reply to  Alex

“I am very much against what Israel is doing”: Nazi criminals were against what US was doing in Germany in 1945. But the Nuremberg court rejected their claim. You seem to support Nazi demagoguery.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
6 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

I’m not sure the younger generation is going to change it’s mind. No one knows for sure since each generation is different than the one proceeding it. Remember, schools these days are teaching that white man colonization is bad (essentially what founded the US/Canada was bad). My daughter used this when affirming her support for Hamas saying that Israel were simply colonizers (because of the West Bank and the settlements) and that it needed to stop and that Hamas are freedom fighters.

That’s definitely not the teaching we got when we were young. Hence I am not sure the next generation supports Israel at all. Especially when combined with the fact there are increasingly large Muslim populations in the Western countries.

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Then it’s a nice little boomerang effect. It was the Jewish dominated Frankfurt School which introduced the idea of tearing down the culture by factionalizing society into group and setting them against the dominant group (white Christians). Nice to know that Karma is still in play.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
6 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Israel has been driving itself right off a cliff for at least the past decade or two. They’d be lucky as heck, to even be able to cling on to the offer of a two state solution, the way things are currently going.

It’s simply not tenable to be dependent on bombing every airport and other infrastructure of all and any neighbouring country indefinitely; constantly being at ever escalating war with everyone else in the neighbourhood; and making themselves wholly reliant on nothing less than a full-scale internmement and Holocaust against millions, simply to keep up pretences that they are somehow “safe” and “in control” for another few months to years. All while clinging to the nonsense that narrowly courting support and “normalisation” from already despised regional dictators they can supply with a few guns and other perks; will somehow make their future any safer. When they do NOTHING to give anyone around them any reason to like them, they simply won’t ever be liked. Nor even accepted. They’re clinging on today, but only by digging themselves an ever deeper hole.

At the same time, they’re also being torn apart internally. By degenerating into an ever more invasive and paranoid police state; on account of the above belligerence. Bright people, which enabled Israel to be what it is today, have other options. And are increasingly leaving. They can live better lives elsewhere, without having to feel ashamed of horrors some belligerent freakshow claiming to “represent” them are perpetrating. Israel no doubt resonated with jews post WW2, but there are limits to what people with better options are willing to put up with, when it is becoming ever more blatantly obvious that the whole idea has been turned into little more than license for self promoting belligerents to abuse for their own, personal, narrow benefits. It’s becoming a land of loudmouth middlebrows now. Not something anyone more advanced want to associate with. At least not for any more than strictly historical, and hence waning, reasons.

Fewer and fewer outside countries will want to have anything to do with them, either; the way things are going. Why put up with these nuisances and troublemakers? They are technologically advanced, in a region near devoid of that. But with China so completely taking over as preferred supplier of nearly anything industrial and technological; why would anyone continue to put up with the baggage of dealing with comparatively lilliputian Israel?

As before, they’ll again be driven out of their promised land. You’d think they’d learn, but it sure doesn’t look that way.

Neal
Neal
6 months ago

If they wanted genocide they would just drop a grid pattern of MOABs .
As for war crimes claims surely all the protestors are attacking Hamas for using human shields? Or is that crickets I hear between their anti Jew screaming.
LGBTQ* for Hamas and unicorns.

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  Neal

You sound like a lunk headed neocon, cheering for a team because you were trained by the boobtube to respond that way.

Neal
Neal
6 months ago
Reply to  Alex

I don’t have a boob tube. I have my main home in Cairo Egypt. I’ve been to Israel once to get documents for a Palestinian friend and I stayed with his family in Jabaliya in the northern end of the Gaza Strip.
Like I said, if Israel wanted to exterminate the Palestinians there are more efficient ways than trying to blow up groups of Hamas hiding in civilian areas.

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  Neal

They clearly don’t care how many people they kill. They want revenge. They want to send a strong signal not to mess with Israel or else, and they want to grab Gaza to expand Israel and have full control over the offshore gas fields.

Jojo
Jojo
6 months ago

This is interesting! I never watch Fox but based on this article I tuned into the channel recently and have found their coverage of Israel/Gaza to be well done.

This could help the right and Republican’s grab some Jewish votes and campaign contributions. Sorry Joe.
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Jewish Viewers Find a Refuge in Fox News
The network’s unflinching support for Israel in its fight against Hamas has put the conservative network in the good graces of many Jews who see other coverage of Israel as biased.
Jeremy W. Peters
Nov. 3, 2023

Ross Abramson, a software engineer and recent New York University graduate, had a fairly conventional news diet until recently. He regularly checked his phone for The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal. And as a Jew with an interest in Israel, he would browse a handful of outlets like The Times of Israel.

Then the brutal Hamas-led attack on Israel happened on Oct. 7, and Mr. Abramson found himself turning to an outlet he said he didn’t rely on much before: Fox News.

“Did I watch it religiously before? No,” he said, adding that he found Fox’s reporting and commentary on Israel’s military campaign in Gaza “less antagonistic for sure” than that of other news organizations. “You don’t feel as attacked,” Mr. Abramson said.

Fox News, long a preferred source of news for the right, has lately become an information refuge for American Jews who believe that the mainstream media has been too hostile to Israel.

It’s somewhat of an improbable alliance. Jews overwhelmingly identify as Democrats. And as the Republican Party came to embrace a more populist brand of politics that vilifies “globalist” corporate interests and wealthy liberal businessmen like George Soros — something many see as coded antisemitism — Fox News hosts and guests promoted those views.

But more than any of the major cable news channels — and perhaps more than any other major American media outlet — Fox News has wrapped itself in the Israeli flag in the weeks since the Hamas attack. Its coverage tends to emphasize the radical and antisemitic elements of the pro-Palestinian opposition, particularly on college campuses, while playing down the civilian casualties from Israeli strikes.

link to nytimes.com

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

Fox is neocon central. There is never a war they don’t support and cheer for. According to Scott Ritter when he was asked to be a commentator on Fox, a senior producer at the network was a card carrying AIPAC member and let him know how he should respond to anything related to Israel.

Beside, there are many Jews who are against what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people. And yes they are people. They have hopes, and dreams, feel love and pain. They bleed and suffer when bombed, just as you and your family would. To you it’s a sporting event where you cheering for a side to win without comprehending the human toll. The path Israel has chosen may end up destroying Israel. One of the most fatal mistakes you can make is to under estimate your enemy.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
6 months ago
Reply to  Alex

Fox news is an organ of the Republicans. As a vet I marvel at all the draft dodgers on the network, now and through the years. Larry Kudlow was an officer in SDS, the Commie front organization, responsible for spitting on soldiers at the airports. Now Larry is the grand old man od Fox Business. Viewing Fox is viewing a bunch of phonies.

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  MelvinRich

The only person worth watching on Fox (or any cable news) was Tucker. Now that he is gone I ignore it completely.

Frederick
Frederick
6 months ago
Reply to  Alex

Same here I never watched it anyway but I watch Tucker in X

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  Frederick

As I said before, you have excellent taste!

Jojo
Jojo
6 months ago

One thing I worry about is bleeding heart Joe opening our doors to a large influx of Palestinian “refugees”. Any now homeless Palestinians should be shipped to the West Bank or to other Arab countries, where they would better integrate.

Democritus
Democritus
6 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

Or better: Jews should be shipped to the USA, where they would better integrate. It seems the majority of Americans is happy to die for the chosen ones so what can possibly go wrong?

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  Democritus

Jewish oligarchs pretty much control the US. I personally find Jewish political power a big problem. Not only do they corrupt US foreign policy, they denigrate Christian culture, support and fund mass immigration, lead the charge against free speech, and require every city in the US have a taxpayer funded shrine to Jewish suffering.

Jojo
Jojo
6 months ago

“Joe Biden supported the genocide of the Palestinian people. The American people won’t forget. Biden, support a ceasefire now or don’t count on us in 2024.“

Words have meaning and impact. Even educated people seem to forget this.

First, only 10k, give or take have been been killed in Gaza so far. That is far too low a number to qualify as “genocide” and not anywhere near the proper definition of the word’”.

Some may contend that 10k (or whatever the actual number is a large number. They would be wrong. It isn’t. Gaza had 2.1 million population in 2021. Dividing it out using 10k, it comes to less than 1/2 of 1%. This is the same problem we had with Covid death numbers. Most people don’t understand large numbers.

Second, Israel/IDF is not wantonly killing Gazans with the aim of destroying all Palestinians. This is just collateral damage because Hamas uses its citizens as human shields.

gen·o·cide
/’jen??sid/
noun
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

I can see a slogan can pay big dividends when applied to a simple mind. It’s not like a few citizens are being killed to kill many combatants. The number killed is now north of 10,000. Of those how many were combatants? Six one thousand pound bombs were dropped on a refuge camp to kill one combatant. That doesn’t sound like a policy designed to minimize civilian casualties.

What is happening now is quite clear. It is collective punishment that they hope will traumatize the Palestinians to not allow future attacks on Israel. But, it may just have the opposite effect. Perhaps the Arab world should traumatize Israel so it never decides to act out in such a vile manner.

Jojo
Jojo
6 months ago
Reply to  Alex

If Hamas hides behind its citizens, stores ammo and rockets in their homes, builds command and control centers under their apartment, under hospitals, under retail, how do you propose that Israel IDF achieve their goal of rooting out Hamas?

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
6 months ago

It’s shocking to me how fast the support for Israel is disappearing world wide.

Canada has had multiple marches on Parliament protesting the invasion. There are Nazi symbols being drawn on Jewish businesses and the Prime Minister is not exactly condemning these actions as newspaper columnists are aghast. A similar march has happened in Washington already. Not sure about Europe, maybe people there can chime in on what’s going on there.

My teenage daughter the other night over dinner told us that she and her friends support Hamas since they are ‘oppressed people who deserve their own country’. We were shocked and tried to explain the difference between Hamas and Palestinians. What’s being taught in high school (or what kids watch online) clearly doesn’t differentiate between the two. It’s mostly young people at these rallies in Canada and the US.

In the 08-09 conflict support was decidedly for Israel as I don’t recall anything like what we are seeing now. Now in 2023 support is drying up among the youth of Canada and the US. It may last through the end of this conflict depending on whether Israel continues to indiscriminately bomb civilians and how long it lasts (at this rate I expect Western support to be all but over by the end of the year due to internal political pressures in multiple countries). It’s possible by the time the next batch of kids grows up in 15 years for the next Hamas uprising that there is no support at all the older generation dies off and more and more youth support the Palestinians. That’s on top of the elephant in the room that is that Muslim populations in the Western countries has risen dramatically since 08 and is showing no signs of abating. Very soon those Muslims + Youth will simply outvote the old guard on support for Israel.

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

As an older guy wiith a rightward leaning, I have long regretted the power and influence the Israeli Lobby and wealthy Jewish donors have on US policies, both domestic and foriegn.

People like Pat Buchanan and Paul Gottfried represent an older, more sane Republican party. They referred to themselves as paleoconservatives. Unfortunately, the neocons which is dominated by Jews and Jewish money pushed out the paleocons. Many neocons were ex-Trotskyites. You can see how many swung over to support Hillary when Trump ran for office. Trump committed the ultimate sin. He pounded Jeb Bush for the senseless Iraq war.

In case you are unaware, the Iraq war was started and fought for the benefit of Israel. Richard Perle was the architect of that war in the Bush Administration. He developed the “Clean Break Plan” for Netanyahu in 1996. It call for Israel adopt a more aggressive policy with its neighbors: develop key strategic alliances with some while fomenting civil wars in others.

link to original.antiwar.com

9-11 provided the perfect way to use the US to implement his plan. Israel knew about
9-11 beforehand but didn’t dint notify us. They knew it would benefit them and be exploited by the American agents.

link to rumble.com

Anyone who cheerleads for Israel has Stockholm Syndrome.

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Tex,
I’d ask you one thing. What has neoconservatives conserved?

I’d argue the paleo conservatives are the true conservatives who want to preserve our culture. The neocons started in New York by Ex-Trotskyite Jews who didn’t like it when the Soviet Union purged many Jews from the Communist leadership. They are on a holy crusade to remake the world instead of letting nations decide their own course of development.

Here is a Wikipedia entry on the difference

link to en.m.wikipedia.org

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
6 months ago
Reply to  Alex

I’ll be honest, I wasn’t really aware of the difference in terms until you just mentioned it and provided a link.

After reading the 2 definitions, I’m clearly in the Paleo Conservative camp because I want small government and isolationism foreign policy like the US had prior to the 2nd world war.

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

I think most are, but media like fox is dominated by neocons and the paleocons have been marginalized. Thus you are given the false choice of neocon Ben Shapiro of Rachel Maddow. Of course Shapiro is better than the mad cow, but, he’s for open borders and us subservience to Israel.

J.M.Keynes
J.M.Keynes
6 months ago

– Biden has another problem. The socalled “Trump tax cuts” (which were for e.g. California NOT a tax cut but a tax increase) are expiring in 2024. US cititzens will see their tax bill go up for 2024 and the voters won’t like it one bit.
– There is a similar problem in the UK. Over there there are tensions growing over UK support for Israel in the Labour party.

LC
LC
6 months ago

A reader commented “give me a break, democrats won’t vote for Trump”

Trump was Obamas legacy.

Sunriver
Sunriver
6 months ago

Republican or Democrat, matters not. were broke. Debt s the defining political issue of our time and will be ignored by these two parties.

Ryan
Ryan
6 months ago
Reply to  Sunriver

I’d argue debt is the symptom. Reckless spending is the disease, but you are right. Neither party will address it.

Jojo
Jojo
6 months ago
Reply to  Ryan

If anyone tries to address it, they will have to cut spending, which will make voters and campaign contributors unhappy. This is why nothing involving cutting spending ever gets implemented.

Ajc
Ajc
6 months ago
Reply to  Ryan

Our debt is the enabler, not a symptom

Without it, we’d need to stop most the stupid Sh@* we’re doing around the world

It’s also the root cause of some of our economic issues

Alex
Alex
6 months ago
Reply to  Ajc

I generally concur. However I’d modify

“It’s also the root cause of some of our economic issues”

to

“It’s also the root cause of most of our economic issues”

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