Inquiring minds are digging into the Michigan Statewide COVID-19 Poll for economic and political impacts.
President Trump COVID-19 Approval at 44%
- Republicans approve of his handling by a margin of 88%-9%.
- Democrats disapprove of his handling by a margin of 6%-86%.
- Independent voters disapprove of his handling by a margin of 40%-52%.
- Men approve of his handling 49%-46%.
- But women disapprove of his handling by a margin of 39%-54%.
Governor Whitmer COVID-19 Approval at 57%
- Democrats approve of her handling by a margin of 89%-8%.
- Republicans disapprove of her handling by a margin of 22%-70%.
- But Independent voters approve of her handing by a margin of 56%-35%.
- Men approve of her handling 49%-42%.
- Women strongly approve of her handling by a margin of 64%-32%.
This poll is interesting in light of Trump Tweets encouraging uprisings.
Liberate Michigan
Liberate Minnesota
Liberate Virginia
I discussed the above Tweets in Huge Battle Over Covid-19 Tests and Trump’s Liberation Tweets.
Once again Trump plays to his base with such tactics. But his base is going nowhere.
Nearly everyone except those who would always vote for Trump anyway is at least somewhat uncomfortable with such divisive tactics.
All Trump had to do to win in 2020 was act like a President instead of a partisan clown.
He cannot do it because he thrives on the adulation he gets from rabid supporters who will always vote for him anyway.
This message comes from someone who voted for Trump in 2016.
Neither the extreme Left who believes the Democrats need a Progressive candidate to win, nor the Ever-Trump Right, understands what I just said.
The swing voters, independents, and anti-Hillary voters are why Trump won in 2016 and they are why Trump will lose in 2020, assuming Biden makes a sensible choice for VP that independents can back.
35% Face Major Loss in Michigan Poll
The results of the poll are all the more interesting because the same poll shows 35% Face Major Loss in Michigan Poll
Highlights
- 29% of respondents are furloughed, laid off, or unable to work.
- 27.3% of respondents that were working prior to the outbreak have been forced to file for unemployment.
- 42.6% of respondents that were working prior to the outbreak, are now furloughed, laid off, or unable to work.
- 69% of furloughed or laid-off workers face catastrophic to major financial impact.
- 28% of respondents are worried about putting food on the table.
- The majority of respondents, 50%, believe Michigan is already in a recession.
I calculate Michigan’s unemployment rate close to 30% as discussed in the above link.
Yet, despite the layoffs, furloughs, and Trump mischief, Michigan voters prefer the Governor over Trump, and dramatically so.
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Mish
The entire Democratic party has been bought lock, stock, and barrel, by the Chinese.
They need to change the name of the party to the Chinese Democratic Party….
Mish has always advocated sending our jobs overseas! Thank you!! You are part of the problem. I don’t trust any mainstream media CNN MSNBC , what I see is people angry at that democrat named half whit. Get real mish!
I’m wondering if that poll was taken from mostly people in Detroit? I know many people in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and every one of them thinks their governor must be nuts.
yeah all detroiters on welfare and enmeshed in the corrupt democrat political machine
Polls?
We’ll be citing MSNBC & America’s Voice here soon…
Our communist governor, Gretchen, is a terrible governor. Screw the lying poll, what about the +300,000 on-line votes to impeach her? Trump is right, the old bag is wrong.
not an old bag a lipstick lesbian wicked witch of the midwest playing hercards for the vp slot. you cant even go next door or to fisit close family living elsewher or go to your vacation home in the norty of michigan
I believe Mish may be right about Trump losing 2020, and it will be followed fairly immediately by all out WAR.
They did look like idiots with most not even wearing masks and many walking around with guns. However, Whitmer looks just as stupid as Trump. Whitmer said she would punish any doctor prescribing the drug that Trump said he had hope for…then literally 4 days later she was blaming the federal government for not giving Michigan enough of that drug as a possible treatment for Covid-19. She is as dumb as Trump, just more refined than him.
And everyone protesting against police brutality should be required to sign a statement declining police protection?
You want people to sign waivers now before exercising their 1st amendment rights?
I am from Michigan and I don’t see how people can agree with either of them. Trump for obvious reasons that have been pointed out on this site over and over. Slow start, blames others, insults people, makes jokes about doing models during an important somber moment discussing deaths, etc..
Whitmer took 3 weeks to make up her mind what teachers can do, after issuing contradictory orders in the same day, and her final executive order to the schools still needed lawyers to interpret. She blatantly lied about what Trump said. Her shelter in place laws are a bit silly.
As I see the slowing infection rates everywhere, yet exploding infection rates in meat packing plants, it is becoming increasingly clear that this it going to be just like every other flu, albeit with more casualties. The normal flu cycle is for a strain of virus to start up in January-February, and spread some in March-April, then stop for the summer, before exploding in the fall. It is during November to March that the regular flu does the bulk of it’s killing.
Covid19 is now widespread everywhere. It is slowing everywhere, except in the cold, dry climates inside meat packing plants. Within a month, the spread rate should be minimal. Unfortunately, when cold weather returns, the experience in the meat packing plants tells us what will happen. For the last 250 years, it’s always the second wave that is the worst. Expect this to peak in November-March. It should be an interesting backdrop for the election, and I’m sure that how bad it is on election day will affect the popularity of the various candidate, and I don’t know how bad that will be.
Restrictive measures slowed it also, it is hard to tell one from the other. Definitely weather and temperature has an effect, I’m just not sure it is enough. Even with measures in place, places like Spain just see lower level but continuing infection.
Background infection ratio is anything from a fraction to multiple times tested infection numbers. The recent data is no way conclusive on that, but it might be 1% to 10 % depending on country or region etc. as far as I make out. That is not high enough for herd immunity.
There are questions about persistence and immunity.
All of that has me reserving judgement for now.
I agree that there will be a background spread regardless of the weather. Yet what we are seeing in the cold, dry food processing plants is a reminder that it is capable of spreading much, much faster than the 6-15% a day we are seeing throughout the world. I agree that social distancing is partially responsible, but I’m skeptical that all countries of the world are being equally effective at controlling the spread, yet the rate of spread seems to be falling almost everywhere.
I’ll be watching what happens in the Southern Hemisphere over the next few months, as they enter winter.
One exception is Singapore
Said to be in poorer quarters ( though no slums there I think ) . Temperature now 29 centigrade.
South Africa is taking off also apparently, but not sure of their data. Maybe in slums. There it is around 20 centigrade if I remember, not cold anyway.
Not saying to prove anything, just that cold alone is not decisive.
It’s worse than slums.
It’s huge internment dormitories for “foreign workers” where people are stacked 10 or more to a room.
Yet another example of the costs of maintaining what has become the favorite illusion of every illiterate idiot anywhere on the planet: That “my home” “going up” creates wealth.
Even otherwise comparatively competently ran Singapore, has become beholden to this idiocy. All manners of illiterates running around “making money off” and “investing in” “a home.”
Which is, of course and obviously to anyone more intelligent than a dishrag, trivially nonsensical.
But in order to maintain this illusion, and the redistribution of wealth to the incompetent but connected idiots who benefit from it; it becomes necessary to ensure ever larger numbers of people, are either de facto forced into homelessness, as in the US; or into straight up slave camps, as in Singapore.
40 Acres and a Mule. And the same guns as the standing army. That’s what made the Greatest Country in History just that. For as long as those two lasted.
Once those were replaced with abject idiots making money off of poppeti propped up by keeping their neighbors homeless, bye-bye went any redeeming quality of what is now just another progressive bunghole.
Such that now, Afghanistan has taken over the top spot. While perhaps not quite as ambitious as the once-were US version; a Khyber Pass AK, a goat and a cave, still trumps, by a wide margin, anything any other country is currently able to offer it’s residents in the way of basic building blocks of a free society.
I didn’t know those conditions for Singapore
which seems like Diamond Princess on steroids, and without a view.
That brings to mind Dubai, and other richer countries in the middle-east, their dorms are (or were at least, been a while since I read on them) considered much worse than those described above.
The troubling thing is, that many slums anywhere are not much better in terms of distancing (rats and sanitation, lack of space) , and if it spreads at that temperature.
Caves used to be highly sought after in times of plague in some regions.
Caves are great. With modern, forced ventilation, sealants, and non-noxious means of heating and cooking, their traditional issues are largely solved. A favorite town of mine, Artenara on Gran Canaria, still has a lot of cave houses and businesses. Which supposedly was fairly common on the Canaries pre colonization.
Cave dwellings don’t really scale to accommodate Singapore like population densities, though….. But it’s not as if Singapore lacks competent builders of high quality dwellings even at very high density. Instead, like almost everywhere else, there is a national policy to prevent competent builders from providing quality dwellings to their fellow man in exchange for competitively constrained profit. Simply to ensure those not competent enough to provide anything of value to anyone, gets to sit on something made artificially “scarce,” which they can hence collect unearned usury rent for.
In Spain I used to explore inland from my village (which is now devoted to tourism, correction was devoted to tourism). Neatly laid out over tens of square kilometers are old fincas, all now in ruins. Some were small, most maybe a thousand sqft, built from stone and barely cemented mud that doesn’t stand once the roof is removed. I visited many of these, each had a unique layout and feel to it. After the repartition of land following the conquest, they eventually settled the region this way. It stayed like that up to industrialisation in the late 19th century saw the whole model abandoned for work in the cities. Its strange, because the cities really did not offer anything great except maybe some facility… but all the datable objects left around these ruins just end around that time. It’s like a change of mood swept everything another direction, maybe the youth left to the cities or something.
I’m all for protesters having every right to do this. But I have some thoughts that don’t ever seem to come up.
Let’s say we open more business up. The virus continues spreading. If the business does not provide PPE, doesn’t that open up litigation and insurance issues in the event their employees start dying?
I know Smithfield and Tyson are looking at this issue pending and Carnival will be owned by the class-action lawyers when that’s finished.
Seems like a big risk to take before there’s a supply of “insurance approved” PPE readily available.
Also, I like the Chinese reopening model. Go 50% production first, half the staff to increase distancing, then after 3 weeks of success bump it up to 75%. Then 3 more weeks up to 100% or whatever that means now.
Seems a better approach vs. open all of whatever.
Interesting thought. I think the problem is believing the employer is liable at all. Would an employer be liable for an outbreak of flu, or bunch of bad colds? Why would you, as a customer, be expected to handle your own protection as you see fit? Stores in NY won’t allow you in without masks any more. In a factory setting, I could see some responsibility being the employers during a pandemic; but that’s a tough one to work out. In a reply to Mathgame I mentioned I’d not heard anything about using UV lighting as a disinfectant. I think it’s at least worth looking at that.
This is not a bad flu!!!
It may be true that a clerk at Walmart can’t prove where he/she got the virus that killed him/her, but what about the situation in a meat packing plant, where suddenly 500 people are simultaneously infected?
The only difference, in a liability situation, is that there are proven treatments, CDC & HHS guidelines in place.
I’d equate this more to a bacterial outbreak right now. Say you’re employed at a food processing plant where a Listeria outbreak is found to of originated due to poor cleaning practices, like those peanut plants years ago, employees that die of Listeria would have grounds for wrongful death lawsuit against the company.
Once there’s more knowledge and guidelines in place, then liability falls on the individual
This 2020 election year is shaping up to be interesting. In this corner, we have senile, hair sniffing weirdo Joe Biden. In the other corner, the defending champion, the bigliest, most tremendous carnival barker ever, Donald Trump.
If Americans still can’t figure out how pointless the red/blue game has become, they richly deserve everything that’s coming to them.
I’m SO excited to cast my vote! Who will it be?
There’s a Southpark episode, douche & turd….it applies perfectly to politics
In a month, Michiganders and geese may feel quit a bit different. Oil, entertainment and retail are just the beginning. This will work its way back the supply chain and stop literally everything but taxes and debt payments.
I find this one sided.
Trump tweeted that he supported protesters. I support protesting on anything. I may not support the message but I support the right.
Do states have the authority to lock people in there homes? Does the state own the public areas?
Could they do it forever? Might be a conversation worth having.
If the orange man should have said something or not seems pointless at this juncture.
The orange man should have done his job and got tests into production 2 months ago. We could probably open up now. Instead we got “it’ll go away” and “buh but China”.
Did Trump pee pee into the CDC COVID-19 test kits?
2 months ago even Fauci was saying we don’t have a problem. Your criticisms are misplaced. Most of Washington downplayed this. I would also point out that a President is not a king. Just ask Cuomo 🙂 From Feb. 17th., which is about 2 months ago.
Excuses for the biggest failure in modern history. Keep em comin, because trumpty’s failboat has set sail!
Not intended as an excuse, nor as condemnation. It’s very easy to armchair quarterback. There is plenty of blame to go around. No one in power really saw this coming. As a people, I believe we expect too much from our supposed leaders. Not only would Trump have to have pushed for the testing; which we weren’t set up for, he would have had to push against any political pushback. I doubt even you would expect there to be no pushback, regardless of Trumps course of action. Hate whoever you want, I doubt any one else, least of all Hillary, would really have done any better. Don’t worry, I know better than to think I’ll make a dent in your world view. 😉
The CDC screwed up the tests.
I totally agree with this. There’s no lockdown in both South Korea and Hong Kong. And don’t give me crap about South Korea being a small country. They have 50 MILLION people, and their density is HIGHER than ours.
This country had to shut down because of lack of PPE and Testing. WTF.
There is no lockdown in Sweden or Holland, either. At this point “Trump bad” is not a worthwhile reaction,IMO. As Wildbull points out, the asymptomatic cases are large; how large we don’t know. We may never know which course of action was best to take. I am certain of one thing, though; the level of fear induced in the general public is detrimental to our society.
The Netherlands is locked down, but is looking to reopen various activities in May. They were slow to lock down, but did so fast enough to avoid the high death rates Belgium is experiencing. Though their death rate is still quite a bit higher than the US.
Yeah, there’s no lockdown in those two countries, but LOOK at the death rate. Also those two are smaller countries than South Korea. Look, everyone got the same Coronavirus exam. Was it all Trump’s fault. No, but you can blame a lot of it on him.
But Singapore and Japan are now having to (or deciding to), and Russia which was strict at first still has a large outbreak occuring now (I think from Europe and not directly from China).
I didn’t mention Singapore and Japan. It’s obvious the Japanese were fooling themselves in order for the Olympic to happen at any cost.
The US had to implement lockdowns because of lack of preparedness and too much delay in responding. You don’t get the luxury of sitting around for several weeks figuring out the optimal tailored approaches when you face a new virus with many unknown characteristics other than high as well as long-term asymptomatic infectiousness resulting in exponential spread.
Also, lockdowns will go on longer than desired because of initial and continued foot-dragging on the things necessary for re-opening i.e. sufficient supplies of PPE / especially masks for all and testing for all who intend to return to their workplace.
There is a problem with the testing idea. First off, the rtPCR test used to detect live infections (current infections) takes at least 2 days in and of itself. It also has around a 15% false negative rate, IIRC. This info comes from one of the Medcram.com updates they post on YouTube. They only recently have developed an antibody test ( a few actually, but still only about 2 weeks old all told), and the false positive/negative rate is still a bit high; somewhere around 5%, I think it was. If you wait for masks for all, what type of masks, and when would you require them? PPE for all is foolish, I believe. Just in terms of disposal you create a logistics nightmare; and most people don’t know how to use them properly anyway. I see gloves and masks on the sidewalk all the time.
I agree that the authorities had to do at least a partial shut down; schools bars and restaurants, gyms as well, I suppose. Having everyone wear simple masks in store settings would work as well. One thing I’ve never seen mentioned is UVC lights (ultra-violet type c, short wavelength) as disinfectant light fixtures in factories, warehouses and stores.
Iceland went the testing route and has done relatively well. It isn’t an absolute though as outbreaks can take hold. It depends on setting, how many people does someone cross in a day. In a big city, a lot and barely traceable. In towns, say like Iceland has, they managed. Rural would be even better.
So I guess it will be combinations of approaches, depending on setting.
My phrasing “sufficient supplies of PPE / especially masks for all” was confusing … I meant full PPE for healthcare workers and only masks for all (perhaps gloves as well if the situation calls for them)
Exactly how does testing stop the spread when the asymptomatic carriers outnumber the symptomatic by 5 to 1? And, yes I think that there are those that would very much like to make this permanent. Trump is far from the only narcissistic sociopath in office, or high in the bureaucracy. Power draws them like moths to the flame.
RE: “Trump tweeted that he supported protesters. I support protesting on anything. I may not support the message but I support the right.”
The first statement is false. Trump both incited and supported the message. He did not merely support the protesters right to protest.
go protest all you want first fill this out.
OK, now make a form for gang members, criminals, people with Tinder/Grinder, and drug users. They ALL put an enormous strain on our healthcare system via disease, overdoses, and injuries.
That knife cuts both ways.
That’s absurd. Assumes all the states’ lockdown restrictions have been flawless. They are a mixed bag, some in ways too lenient, some in ways too strict. Lots of simplistic thinking going on here. The mind’s capacity for nuance and distinction is a feature, use it.
You must be confused … I am by no means a “lockdown protester” … just someone who believes they were absolutely necessary to start with for reasons I presented but have to now be re-structured to be more specific and targeted to the locale and its population and the rates of infection and deaths and the nature of jobs and many other factors … because the simple fact is they cannot go on for an indefinite period of time in a “one size fits all” configuration.
I also believe it’s likely lockdowns will have to be ramped up and scaled back for subsequent “waves”, should they occur as many people think they will.
If he keeps dog whistling, one of those chubby rifle toters is gonna pop off and kill somebody.
Kill some one like the Chinese Virus has killed 40,000 people in the US or dare you not speak against you dear leader Xi?
There’s one now….
LIBERATE AMERICA from the tyranny of tRump!
People are increasingly [at the margin] coming to see The Dumpster® as an incoherent, inarticulate, incompetent, incontinent, morbidly obese, narcissistic sociopath. It will only take 6000 voters changing to flip Michigan back to blue.
Bust a deal, face the wheel!