Trump Inquiry Coming Up
Adding to Trump’s many woes, the Atlanta Prosecutors Move Closer to Trump Inquiry
Prosecutors in Georgia appear increasingly likely to open a criminal investigation of President Trump over his attempts to overturn the results of the state’s 2020 election, an inquiry into offenses that would be beyond his federal pardon power.
The new Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, is already weighing whether to proceed, and among the options she is considering is the hiring of a special assistant from outside to oversee the investigation, according to people familiar with her office’s deliberations.
At the same time, David Worley, the lone Democrat on Georgia’s five-member election board, said this week that he would ask the board to make a referral to the Fulton County district attorney by next month. Among the matters he will ask prosecutors to investigate is a phone call Mr. Trump made in which he pressured Georgia’s secretary of state to overturn the state’s election results.
Some veteran Georgia prosecutors said they believed Mr. Trump had clearly violated state law.
Clear Attempt to Commit Election Fraud
“If you took the fact out that he is the president of the United States and look at the conduct of the call, it tracks the communication you might see in any drug case or organized crime case,” said Michael J. Moore, the former United States attorney for the Middle District of Georgia. “It’s full of threatening undertone and strong-arm tactics.”
He said he believed there had been “a clear attempt to influence the conduct of the secretary of state, and to commit election fraud, or to solicit the commission of election fraud.”
Three Crimes
George Washington University law professor, John F. Banzhaf III, notes three possible crimes.
- Criminal solicitation to commit election fraud, which can be either a felony or a misdemeanor.
- A related conspiracy charge, which can be prosecuted either as a misdemeanor or a felony.
- A third law, a misdemeanor offense, bars “intentional interference” with another person’s “performance of election duties.”
Futon County Prosecution
The prosecution would happen in Atlanta, part of Fulton County.
This is not Trump-friendly territory.
And given that it is a state-level offense, Trump cannot escape by resigning and having Pence pardon him.
Trump’s Phone Call
- “I just want to find 11,780 votes”
- “There’s nothing wrong with saying that, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.”
Trump is about to find out there is something very wrong with proposing a “recalculation”.
For details please see Trump Sues Georgia Sec of State Over Leaked Phone Call.
If Hillary or any Democrat did anything similar to those phone calls, the Trump hypocrites would howl so loud they could be heard all the way to Pluto.
Manhattan Prosecution
Note that Trump is already facing a criminal fraud inquiry into his finances by the Manhattan district attorney
Difficult to Run When Behind Bars
Every step of the way Trump’s legal team was a mess.
Trump should not have been on that phone call, there are no grounds to sue over a leaked call, and Trump’s legal team lost every court battle.
It will be hard to run for President when you are behind bars. That of course assumes Trump is not convicted by the Senate in his impeachment trial, and don’t count on that either.
The “Law and Order” president may soon make that claim behind bars.
Mish
Trump should just pardon himself because you know the mentally ill liberals will be going after him for foolish BS forever.
Trump wanted the legal ballets counted, you know the ones you can match signatures. He never said I want to over turn an election where someone beat him fair and square. Could have easily put all of this to rest if they just recounted legal votes like in AZ for instance. Sorry Mish I don’t trust the gov or it’s workers like you do. Probably because I don’t turn a blind eye to their corruption like the fake Russian collusion BS. I should go back a year or so to see how much you bashed the liberal dems for lying about that. Not one is in prison or executed for treason. Should have been hundreds of them. But you really don’t care about that do you?
“Rand Paul Warns One Third of Republicans Will Leave Party if GOP Senators Back Impeachment”
We need our leaders to help unify the country. RP is feeding the 1/3, which only serves to perpetuate the divisiveness. Stop making excuses and hold Trump accountable.
It it is time for Republican Senators to show if they are loyal to Trump or not, or if they are loyal to the country.
Typical Rand Paul hyperbole. Not only will this not happen, the more likely scenario is that politicians who continue to shamelessly appeal to the Trump base will find themselves abandoned both by the party and their constituents….ending up high and dry with no campaign money and no prospects.
The MAGA who idolize Trump above all else will leave. That is a good thing for everyone. Those people did not (apparently) vote before, let them go back into their caves. Less Trump/MAGA also reduces the fringe lefties.
Rand Paul is looking backward wistfully. The majority in this country must force the Republican party to decide what it stands for and the 2/3rds of the party that does not agree with the cult must start to stand up for themselves.
If they don’t, the US will continue and accelerate its slide to mediocrity because we’ll have the Democratic Party fringe emboldened by the stupidity on the far right and we’ll have the current Cult Party arguing that you must vote for them to prevent the ‘tyranny’ of the far left. In the middle, we’ll have the meek “can’t we all get along” moderates who – again, if they don’t stand up for themselves – will allow everyone and everything in this country to get flushed down the crapper.
If found guilty, Trump should be strapped in a chair and subjected to 120 hours of CNN, ala, Clockwork Orange [man bad]. It should work well on him, it seems to work well on everyone else.
I heard the tapes. No doubt in my mind but this seems eerily similar to Trump’s call to Ukraine which died in the Senate. Of course huge difference between a court room and a political body but just saying Trump seem to have a coat of teflon.
Yeah the ship was not sinking then. It will be interesting to hear the stories that come out after hes is out of office and his people start to talk.
Fani Willis? LOL. somewhere is this silly shit show, I sense that Democrat Triump-halism is going to fall on its face, perhaps beginning with the Great State of Georgia.
‘I’m facing a prison sentence’: US Capitol rioters plead with Trump for pardons https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/16/us-capitol-rioters-donald-trump-pardons
Bad news for them, D.C. has it’s own District Attorney, Trump’s now publicly disavowing the insurrection to cover his own ass.
Pardon’s are off the table, this is another iteration of “Trump University”, but this time his “customers” get no refund.
Babbit “otherwise normal” : https://youtu.be/akWDORIdsck
I won’t defend her, nor villainize her.
She was a business owner, member of the military, her recent views were obviously incendiary, but I suspect she was drawn in from what was an otherwise normal life.
I sincerely believe Qanon is Russian in origin, to allow myself to hate her is a goal accomplished by Putin’s attempt to divide us.
Sadly, goal accomplished with her, not me….I will not be lured to the extent that I’d harm my fellow American.
PUTIN dunnit ?? LOL , you, are deluded, brainwashed(by CNN) and pathetic ! 50 million people on foodstamps…. is Putin to blame too ?
Who do you think comes up with the ridiculous stuff Q Anon puts out? Does it matter, anyway? Whether it is Putin, Jong-un, or some teenager in his mother’s basement who makes up the lies is irrelevant. It’s a travesty that anyone would be so gullible as to believe their stuff, yet not just one or two people are taken in, large numbers are.
Personally, I give Trump about 60% of the credit, with the media getting the rest of the blame. If you want to destroy freedom, the first step is to get people to distrust the media. So long as people trust the media, they can’t fall for lies. Trump has worked hard for the last four years to get people to distrust the media. The media facilitated it, by moving left in response. In response to Trump’s criticisms, the media should have made every effort to remain independent and to appear as even handed as possible, but they fell into his trap.
Several Items:
I don’t know the solution (especially to that last one), but blaming a group that had no power (obviously) to influence the results we have gotten seems like the wrong way to go about finding one.
You misunderstood my post. I’m not talking about something that happened after the 2020 election, I’m talking about a very long term trend. Trump began to criticize the media, and to drive his supporters to propaganda websites for “alternative news” when? 2015? I have made more comments on my opinion on a more recent thread, the one related to “$500,000 in bitcoin…”
Ok – sorry if I jumped the gun. Will go take a look at the thread.
6 federal charges for the goat guy? A lot of these people, and those watching, could come to the conclusion if you’re going to do something my as well go big instead of stealing a podium and smiling at the camera. The real estate gal did a nice job acting like she didn’t know etc etc. Now that Trump lost you are really upcreek lady.
My problem with Trump is the way his behavior has emboldened his followers right down to the personal level.
I was about to drop one of my biggest clients because of a single individual in this company who had used insinuative/threatening language with me and others to sway us to vote Trump, he has become so vindictive since November with “suspected” non-Trumpsters that the other executives within his co had to intervene.
I only mention this to exemplify the unseen divisions Trump has created, his cultists are emboldened, thoughtlessly and overconfidently carrying on as if his tactics are justified.
I view myself as a demograph, I assume this situation isn’t unusual, and if so, the unseen, continuing, damage to the U.S. is enormous.
First and foremost, Trump has to be made an example, his behavior, his self entitlement, ignorance of ethics and legality CANNOT be a norm that his admirers aspire to.
That is NOT America, it’s a 3rd world Banana Republic.
Both New York and now Georgia’s legal pursuit of Trump is NOT political revenge, it’s absolutely necessary, this divisiveness absolutely must stop now.
Well said Frilton
“Both New York and now Georgia’s legal pursuit of Trump is NOT political revenge, it’s absolutely necessary, this divisiveness absolutely must stop now.”
That is exactly what it is. It’s not Trump who has created these ‘unseen divisions’ but people like you. The hag Pelosi refused to accept that Trump won the 2016 election, a view echoed by Clinton et all. There was not one grain of truth in the Russian Collusion rubbish foisted on the American people by an arrogant, over entitled Democrat Party.
If you think that silencing Conservative voices is the right thing to do then you are a damn fool. By cheering on senile Joe and ‘BigTech’ plus the MSM all you are doing is creating a nightmare future. That nightmare unfolded in Germany in the 30s, and unless you grow up it will unfold in the USA before you even notice.
Me response is pointless, I know this, there is no changing your opinion – if I’m not in complete agreement You’ll then label me a “Liberal” or other indignant name calling.
To that, Hilary conceded in 2016, Trump still hasn’t.
Hilary did not lead her followers to violent insurrection, or to attack members of Congress, nor did Pelosi.
You’ll see that as me endorsing Hilary or Pelosi, vs the point that I’m only responding to your equivalence between them and Trump to rationalize Trump’s behavior.
You will not agree with me, it’s actually a component of “Plato’s allegory of the cave”, interesting read if you have five minutes, it explicitly outlines the adverse reaction most will exhibit when their facts (shadows on the wall) are expose to the source.
In the case of Trump’s supporters, a major source is “Qanon”, an anonymous person accusing one side of pedophilia and cannibalism, this source is also pro-Russian.
Not knowing who that source is, it bears mention the possibility it’s a propagandist push via a foreign adversary to invoke division here in the U.S.
As much as you may hate the “leftists”, do you truly believe they’re pedophile child cannibals?
Does that, maybe, set of some kind of alarm to you?
Man, I wish there were an edit feature, after counting the typo’s above.
Your error was feeding a troll, not your typing.
Reacting in anger, yes, feeding trolls.
I tried reasoning, I fed him salad.
The people you are defending are not conservatives – and you know that. In any case – NO – pursuing justice is not part of the problem.
I know you won’t be swayed. However, conservatives don’t threaten and kill cops. Conservatives don’t try to overturn lawfully, STATE CERTIFIED election results. Conservatives often interpret the Constitution in ways that suit them; but they do not openly flout the laws it embodies. Conservatives have respect for the laws and the courts – that’s why they have been so intent on taking over that branch of government.
And most of all, conservatives do NOT try to overthrow the government that they are intent on ‘conserving’.
There are no conservatives in the group you are defending – they have gotten dragged along in the undertow of the moron movement that you are espousing. It may be their own fault for throwing their lot in with them, but do not conflate the cult with the actual political conservatives of yesteryear. The reason this is important is that conservatives may be savable – the cult is not.
Too late Booben is about to make this a third world country literally. You still don’t get it, this isn’t about Trump it’s about you liberals destroying our country. Open borders, illegals getting benefits, Oligarchs getting their cheap labor dragging down Americans pay, Globalism, sucking up to the virus communist China. I could go on all day, half the country just doesn’t see eye to eye with that BS like you do. But that is just way to much over your head to understand.
Trump didn’t say attack the capital, should he have said don’t, sure. Pelosi and the rest of the liberals went with the fake Russian BS for 3 years, lying every single day about it. They all knew it was fake, not one has been put in jail or executed for treason, not one. Trying to take down a sitting president because you don’t like him is fine with crazy people. What they did to Trump is 100 times worse than anything he’s done. But you don’t care about that for some reason.
I’m thinking it will be hard to get an unbiased jury free of death threats
The more criminal indictments, the better I like it.
Even in that county I’m guessing it will be hard to find 12 jurors without a single trump cultist among them. Maybe with misdemeanors you are not entitled to a jury trial. Otherwise, who would convict someone they believe is the second coming of Jesus?
Actually, according to law the jurors, must be selected of his peers. NOT everyday street thugs. Where will he find these 12 presidents. Oh, I know, the same place democrats found the votes for biden… the grave.
I’m guessing before this is all over Trump will move to some country without an extradition treaty with the US. Saudi Arabia, perhaps? Russia? He and Edward Snowden can be roommates!
Yeah just like Hillary Clinton did in 2016…. Its all show and nothing ever happens. What happened to Nixon and all the other politicians. Headline will change and people move on and nothing is different this time. Just like Bill Clinton’s nonsense impeachment all distractions leaving the people to fight among themselves.
The left sounds like the right in 2016 with Hillary. “Hillary for prison” No different in 2020 both sides are played like fiddles. The same thing will happen to Trump as Hillary in 2016.
Does Georgia have the tools? Looks like one to three years at best