Trump’s running mate, J.D. Vance is on the defensive over his views about the childless.
A friend emailed an article this week with a headline I couldn’t wait to read: Kamala Harris Distances Herself From Kamala Harris
It turns out that the article is from the Babylon Bee, a satirical site.
Harris is doing that of course, but so is Vance.
J.D. Vance’s Basket of Deplorables
The Wall Street comments on J.D. Vance’s Basket of Deplorables
Donald Trump’s choice of 39-year-old J.D. Vance as his running mate was supposed to present the GOP ticket as modern and looking to the future. Instead the campaign has found itself playing defense against Mr. Vance’s censorious views about women who don’t have children.
As it always does, the press has been digging up the VP choice’s comments over the years for political scrutiny, and the Ohio Senator turns out to be a target-rich environment. As a Senate candidate in 2021 he told Tucker Carlson, then a Fox News host, that the U.S. is being run by “a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made, and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable, too.”
That sounds like he was referring to Vice President Kamala Harris, who has two stepchildren but none of her own. The comment is the sort of smart-aleck crack that gets laughs in certain right-wing male precincts. But it doesn’t play well with the millions of female voters, many of them Republican, who will decide the presidential race.
The remark has gone viral on social media and is being portrayed as an example of chauvinist views. They’re mocking it on TMZ, a sure sign that this is Mr. Vance’s first big cultural impression, and not a good one.
Mr. Vance went on “The Megyn Kelly Show” on Friday to repair the damage, calling the cat-lady line a “sarcastic comment” that didn’t mean to denigrate single or childless women. But he wasn’t at all apologetic.
“I know the media wants to attack me and wants me to back down on this, Megyn, but the simple point that I made is that having children, becoming a father, becoming a mother, I really do think it changes your perspective in a pretty profound way,” Mr. Vance said.
He’s right about that, but then why didn’t he say it in 2021? One possibility is that at some level Mr. Vance really doesn’t respect people who make different life choices. Politicians often reveal their true beliefs when talking to supporters, as Hillary Clinton did when she sneered at the “basket of deplorables” who supported Mr. Trump in 2016.
Mr. Vance has also put some policy substance behind his cultural views by saying in the past that the childless should pay higher taxes than other Americans. “If you are making $100,000, $400,000 a year and you’ve got three kids, you should pay a different, lower tax rate than if you are making the same amount of money and you don’t have any kids. It’s that simple,” he told the Charlie Kirk Show podcast in 2021. The podcast with Mr. Vance has vanished from the show’s website but has been quoted widely in the press.
Bad Policy and Bad Politics
It’s bad policy to use the tax code for social policy because it creates complications that add distortions. Pro-natalist tax policies haven’t worked where they’ve been tried.
It’s also bad politics. Conservatives used to believe in a neutral tax code that didn’t play favorites, but Mr. Vance is suggesting the code should be used as a political and cultural weapon against people who don’t share his values. “Raise taxes on the childless” isn’t a winning campaign slogan.
RINOs Galore
Trump and the MAGA crowd like to call everyone who disagrees with them a RINO (Republicans In Name Only).
But there’s much more RINOism at the top of the ticket than you might imagine. I will do a follow-up on this idea, sure to get panned by the MAGAists who don’t recognize the RINOs in the room.
Such stuff rates to make this a much closer election than most think. This election is not in the bag.
Also consider In the Wake Biden’s Campaign Exit, Trump Steps Down to the Occasion
In a balanced attempt to offend everyone, as I often do, let’s discuss Kamala.
If You Thought Biden Was Bad
Kamala Harris is off and running with a mind meld of the most progressive policies of Biden, AOC, and California governor Gavin Newsom.
For discussion, please consider If You Thought Biden Was Bad, Look at the Promises of Kamala
I have on four occasions been accused of being extreme Right and Extreme Left in the same day.
Mentally split this post in two pieces and you will understand how that happens.
This election is a nightmare for Libertarians and independents who both wanted a better choice than what we have.
Low birth rates are primarily due to prosperity. It’s happening all over the world. Remember when China was limiting reproduction and aborting girls ? Well their birth rates have now also dropped below the replacement rate.
Per the US for nearly twenty years… the media including above use only the negative ads 24/7 to manipulate their favorite and trash the dissidents 24/7 without a thought to objectivity or policy differences and execution. So many still believe in the 24/7 for years trashing of the evidence in the Hunter laptop that cemented Biden’s win. It worked.
The cost of living..water, electricity, gas, cable tv, housing, food, insurance, phone plans, internet, property taxes..everything is less expensive when there is more than one individual in the household to amortize those costs.
Health insurance is particularly instructive. Look at your employer’s health plan rates. You could have a family with 10 children and you will pay just slightly more than twice the amount a single coworker will pay for health insurance coverage for a family of 12 ! The cost of living for a single individual is significantly higher, yet the individual personal exemption is the same whether you are married or not. The tax code is already tilted in favor of families.
We don’t reproduce and that is how cultures die.
Yes child tax credits favor families, thats obvious, but maybe its to incentify us to reproduce.
I have no problem investing in our children’s future its just we are going about it the wrong way.
Young people are not having kids as a lifestyle choice. The usual suspects continue to have children out of wedlock, the same as they always have. The political class really has no problem with the status quo. They want to import workers from other countries because they are more compliant, and will continue to do so regardless of whether native born have children. They’ve been doing so since the 1960’s when there was no demographic imperative. The US population continues to increase despite the reduced replacement rate of American citizens.
It is more the illegal immigrants that are the ones bringing there new borns and soon to be new borns.
Dude, African American women have more abortion’s than anyone in the DisUnited States of America. That is a sytistical fact, so it is not the usual suspects anymore that you are referring to
The population increase is all foreign born
You say that like it is a good thing.
I see more young American women walking dogs instead of pushing baby carriages. But this is the Northeast. And the West Coast. Both think the rest of the world is just like them.
Its not. And thank God for that.
Young women are choosing to go childless because young men can no longer afford to provide for them. A long time ago, we had national policies designed to ensure the mass employment of young white men. We ended that in the 1980s.
Those young women supporting themselves, is that a bad thing? Should we deny employment to young non-white men and women in general so that young white men can have jobs?
“This election is a nightmare for Libertarians…”
Because it’s a nightmare for liberty. As well as for freedom and anything else of value. Hence a nightmre for America. As well as the world. Period. No different from every other election since at least 1870.
Government has done NOTHING but grow, hence liberty has been nothing but trampled on, to an ever increasing degree, by every.single.administration for at least 150 years. To an ever accelerating degree. Triply so, since all constraints on completely unconstrained totalitarianism was removed in 1971.
There is no such thing as a “conservative” American who champions higher taxes for people who don’t have children. Since there is no such thing as conservative American who champions any an income tax at all.
Income taxes were a purely progressive invention from the get go. They simply can not ever be part of American conservatism, any more than fiat money and restrictions on either speech or guns or trade, ever can. Anyone championing any of those delusional pathologies, is a progressive, not a conservative, and hence a de facto RINO, by definition.
I suppose it is possible to claim conservatism in, say, Spain, is compatible with whatever the Inquisition over there was up to back when. But not in America. The Founders very well laid down the blueprint for what true American, non-RINO, conservatism, must forever refer to. Progressive income tax schemes simply never were, hence never can be, any part of that.
Government is like the old movie “The Blob”. It will continue growing until it is shocked into slower growth.
I’m having a hard time with JD’s comments. Doesn’t he even have a basic understanding of the Catholic Saints? Mother Teresa, yes singe, no children, but she dedicated her life to helping others. Doesn’t JD know that 1 out of 4 families are without a father? LOCK HER UP, that he and others say about women (and that will include miscarriage), and call women all kinds of names. Now Trump has blamed election fraud, NO its your name calling, RHINO,llocking up mom, aunts, daughters, and cousins. Women work to feed families with little help, and alpha types want to take away birth control. YIKES….so men can buy $80,000 trucks, women have to work 2 jobs, and yes single, childless women are saints and have been for thousands of years. Stick to their record!! Harris has no leadership skills, no empathy, just stick to the narrative!
Your last sentence I agree with. Everything before that I am still wondering is that satire??
Single women today are all about themselves.
There was, and still is election fraud. Part of the problem is their is no uniformity in state election laws. Whats legal in Utah might be illegal in PA.
But you are 100% correct in your last sentence.
Abortion, LGBTQ, infantilization of young adults, fear of a future through the broadcast of propaganda like climate crisis, deadly viruses etc. etc. ad nauseum. What do they all have in common? Limiting human reproduction. Add it all up and globalization is a depopulation strategy. The machines can work, we can depopulate to a point where your masters realize they need human workers and consumers. Especially poignant in high growth demographics like Africa. We set the tone. Hollywood doom porn.
When all the smart, motivated women are NOT having babies, where do the babies (and future generations) come from?
Hint: what happens in the movie, Idiocracy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8s-Xx7aJsg
The babies are produced industrially in vats of bio goo etc. The they are put in pods of goo, where their consciousness is networked into a simulated world, so that the machines and their AIs can use their bodies electrical output as batteries … Wait that’s a movie. But the industrial production of humans is already well on its way.
The only reason we needed more babies on a continued basis was because our economic models depend on more people, working more job and paying more taxes, year over year.
That all goes out the window when AI’s/robots do most of the work humans used to do.
Do you suppose a robot could hold the Stop/Go sign in road construction areas? Hell, why couldn’t ONE person at one end also control the robot so the traffic movement could be coordinated? I’ll tell you the reason why not – UNIONS!
Not sure about cat ladies
But I do not think ANY person who has not had or raised children should be in ANY position of authority or power
Bye Lindsey
I agree with this. Civilization cannot be sustained without reproduction. Those who have not been thru the process of raising children are not fully vested in civilization’s continuance.
It’s the same skin-in-the-game argument for why all levels of leadership ought to send their own children to war, whenever they try to send anyone else’s.
And yet no one in the media is approaching the subject from this perspective. Instead, they are attacking the statement for being made w/o explanation or consideration of any related aspects.
This is why humans must be be replaced by AI.
There’s still time for Trump to dump Vance and name Haley as VP. Were he to do this, I think a lot less people would be worried about someone else taking a shot at Trump.
Women with incredible high expectations stay single and lose the power of motherhood. Divorced mums and shingle mums, seeking a center stage, trashed society for 60 years.
I think Vance’s point was that the left destroys everything that it touches.
Mike/Mish reeeally does not like this guy lol.
Keeping score here on stupid things said to date
JD Vance 1 Kamala Harris 149
That is until the liberals delete all the video and sound evidence which they are doing as I type, so by November it will be a tie.
Google all the radical ideas from Kamala and the radical people that have worked with her over the years. And none last long BTW
She is a train wreck.
If she becomes POTUS thats proof some other one/group is actually running the country. Then again Biden is proof of that for almost 4 years now
God help us
She is laughing like hyena. She will bite Trump and Vance with her hyenas family
and rip them apart.
For the record, I do not agree with the tone of Micheal Engel comment
I dont like the referece to hyenas Michael. Now in the online world, I do not know if you are the liberal trying to make my comment sound racial and hence trying to destroy me, like liberals always do or you are just a borderline racist
I do not like Kamala because of her background, cheating with a married man to work her way up, her policies are not what produces a better outcome in America and she is just not a leader.
It has nothing to do with her race. Bi racial of Jamaican and Indian blood
A hundred years ago women didn’t have the right to vote. Today it’s all about women have the right to choose what to do with her own body, to have no children, to work, to sue for for sexual discriminations, to break a family…Since the sixties the gov empowered the queen of the house and suppressed the men of the house. Women are automatically believed and protected by judges, DAs, tetectives, police and progressive idiocy. They accumulated so much power, bc they are considered the victims and the weaker side. Women Lib : don’t dare to talk about women right to choose, to do what she wants.
Childless people are already contributing property tax to school and park districts.
If they’re renters, it’s a part of their rent.
Parents also already get child tax credits and various discounts on education expenses.
But it’s still too expensive to raise a child compared to median incomes, and this is part of why birthrates are way down.
Vance’s comments are very questionable, but the issue is a legitimate one. It should not be praised as punishing the childless, though. Many people are not childless by choice.
Both sides are “alienators” from particular P’sOV. Kamala (and the Democrats pulling the strings) want to extinguish crypto, for example. Whether crypto has a viable future as an alternative or not, this tyranny doesn’t go over well with the young, either. I’ve never had children of my own, but don’t feel threatened by Vance’s remarks any more than Butker’s. Both, I feel, extol the virtues of parenthood rather than condemn childlessness. All a matter of perspective.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.” (Attributed to various, with various versions.)
The Modern Politician’s Dilemma.
Modern communication demands that you speak every day or even more but if you have to speak every day it is inevitable that you will say something that offends an important group or say something that is just plain stupid.
Cat Lady:
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How would saying something positive about having kids put off young voters? They still have the opportunity to have families. It’s the old cat ladies who it will offended. But, most are already lib-tards who’s number one issue is abortion. The system is using and playing these feckless ladies using identity politics. And these poor, media consuming women sit around wondering why they aren’t happy.
If this election is close, it is an indictment of Democracy and the stupid, easily manipulated voters. Here is some elegant prose from Kamala Harris.
“Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine, so, basically, that’s wrong.”
Sounds like she’s talking to a room full of kindergartners. What politician with two brain cells to rub together would uses such language? And this isn’t a one off. There are tons of other examples.
It’s a combination of the stupid and those who have a vested interest in having these traitors in charge. But mostly stupid.
That’s how you talk to the Democrat base so they can understand a complicated situation.
Kamala (or “QUE’ MALA!” as she is known in the hispanic community) has to be the most painful politician to listen to in my lifetime (I am unable to do it).
While some politicians are long winded and blustery and others are overly didactic in their explication of issues that are of concern to the public, Kamala’s syntax and the morphology of her grammar is beyond comprehension. Listening to her is like watching a horrible accident in slow motion that you are powerless to stop. Her syntax makes no logical sense most of the time but I guess it feels good to her and her followers and that’s all that counts if you’re a liberal.
If Biden was the “Emperor with No Clothes” then Kamala must be the “Empress with No Clue”.
I have a child and grandchildren. I care about the future.
This is why I will be voting on September 23, 2024 for Kamala Harris.
Her orange opponent is an incoherent, inarticulate, incompetent, incontinent, morbidly obese, hebephrenic psychopath.
One child only? When you are gone he/she will be alone. That is almost worse than having none. Two or more is what the kids need.
Who will you voting for on the local school board?
For the one with pink hair.
You won’t have to worry about their future if Harris wins. They won’t have a future because she will be taxing Americans to pay for free housing, food and healthcare for illegals. She will give free transgender surgeries, reparations to blacks, free child care, free healthcare Her regulations for the green new scam will bankrupt companies. Her taxes to pay for all this will be $$$$$$$. You’ll be lucky if you have enough money to buy food for your family when she’s finished. You’ll be lucky if you have a job.
Your orange man bad mantra shows that excessive consumption of the MSM has rotted your brain. It’s appropriate your image is Goofy.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to
speakpost and remove all doubt.”I heard that somewhere, and I’m sure it applies here.
I notice that you don’t list Kamala’s alleged positive traits or the things she will be doing that will secure that future that you’re so concerned about.
He’s young. How many stupid things have you said or believed in during your life time? Nevertheless, I neither like nor trust the guy. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a deep state plant like so many others were during Trump’s first term. Mish was right, he is the worst choice for running mate.
It does not matter who is running. NOTHING.EVER.CHANGES.
The sad truth of the matter is, many women fell for the bullshit being peddled my pop culture. They put their careers first and didn’t have kids. Now they are old, their beauty fading, and they are alone. Thus, they get pets to keep them company and pour their affection upon and they embrace left wing politics to add some meaning to their empty lives. A very sad tale.
A job is how you live but not why you live.
Mish, JD Vance is 100% right People without kids don’t have the same concern about the future as people with kids. Thus. Childless politicians in Europe have opened their borders and destroyed their countries. What do they care? They get the grift and accolades from the twisted left media, but the future generations get the shaft.
People without children don’t understand and can feign having their feelings hurt, but it’s the truth.
Many people without kids have relatives they care about and want a good future for so if they vote, they vote for who they think will promote the best future for all. Unfortunately they and many people with kids vote for the Uniparty Congress Republicans and Democrats plus their administrations including Trump, Vance, Harris and her VP, who cooperate to pass more wasteful spending bills that add to our mountain of debt, which is frequently monetized by the fed, debasing the dollar even further. But, hopefully the tightening will continue and deflate the bubbles and malinvestment fed by Uniparty money printing and rate suppression.
Picking a comment without the whole back round which supports or disproves that comment, in an attempt to define a person is fairly shallow.
How about picking up on who raised JD Vance. A gun holding, mouth filled with F words, woman who took no shit from anyone. Sounds fairly Libertarian type person to me.
Got a fair amount of applause during Vance acceptance speech from the Woman in audience.
He has a following.
On second thought, the way he described her, was a picture of a Female Klingon Warrioress.
A frontier woman.
You forgot to mention JD’s Grandmom never left home without her 44 magnum in her purse. How does he feel about gun control.
A Woman who protected her family. That is truly Old School.
Magnificent.
An appeal for politicans to not speak their minds, but to tell people what they like to hear?
Fatwa on the fat Marie Antoinnete who mocked Jesus.
She was the only fat person I saw during the whole show. The French are not into the body positive movement. If you are fat they aren’t going to humor you.
There are 1.4 million catholic in the world. the French are minority. The drag queen and Marie Antoinnete offended every christian in the world and trashed the olympics.
1.4 million Catholics in the world? That is a minority! I guess you agree with the Muslims and when someone satirizes your religion, they should get the death sentence because sniff, sniff you are offended.
Someone is off by 3 decimal places, or the ‘new math’ from the 70s.
The pope and Cardinal Blaise Supich fancy themselves as climate change experts.
Marie Antoinette’s detached head was featured very briefly in front of the Conciergerie, a beautiful building, where she was imprisoned.
The horseman which some saw as relating to the Apocalypse is more related to Joan of Arc who saved France from invasion in the French mind.
The guy all blue did an interview today where he explained what happened. He wrote a song about how originally the athletes were nude and the organizers wanted him to sing it on a platter painted blue and almost nude.
He said if that is your phantasm ok as long as I get paid and anyway if we go into ex-growth, we will all end up nude. Then he alluded that all performers are exhibitionists by nature and by singing almost nude in front of a couple of billion people fulfilled his exhibitionist need amply.
Marie Antoinnet was the last queen before the French Revolution. Revolution, trashing history, religion and the 2,000 years olympics was the massage.
Massage? Is that a Freudian Slip?
You dismiss too quickly the point Vance was trying to make. See also Fourth Turning.
WWII generation built infrastructure and functioning institutions.
Current generations failed to maintain infrastructure (interstate/airports) and eating seed corn of future generations (34 or is it now 35 trillion in debt). Name an institution that seems to be functioning as intended – recent examples – Secret Service, NASA, military withdrawal in Afghanistan, etc., etc.
When you have children, your view of the world changes. Your concern of the future spans generations.
“A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit.” — Greek Proverb.
Kamala Harris might appeal to women voters as the first black woman president, but not to men and not to millennials and Gen Z who cannot buy a house and raise a family. Right now momentum and money are shifting to her side. She might pull more tricks out of her magician’s bag in the next 100 days. Obama and Michelle lost their magic touch. Forget about Nancy the ripper. In the next few years we might miss Joe Biden. That’s how bad things can be.
You’ll miss President Biden when VP Harris wins the election and the Dems increase their hold on the Senate and take over the house. Up next the Supreme Court.
Trump already misses Pres. Biden.
Keeps talking about him, as if he’s still in the race.
Biden is actually still in the race. Harris covered for him and blatantly lied to the American people about him.
She is running and so is any other Democrat, on the Biden Administration Record.
They all of a second discovered it was a losing platform and now are trying to sanitize it. But when people go in to vote they are not likely to forget.
The ww2 generation were self-promoting windbags. If you like war and welfare, then worship those blowhards. I know, I was born in 1945.
Be careful about that infrastructure thing. I worked in the aviation industry 40 years ago and the airlines (and trucking companies) were screaming about how they had agreed to pay a new tax on jet fuel (also motor fuel) so better airports (and highways) could be built. The tax was to be used for construction and maintenance and nothing else. Money that was not spent that year went into a Trust Fund to be used in future years.
Then the rules got changed and money not spent was declared to be a Surplus* and passed on to the US Treasury, to get spent ASAP.
PS – All that extra money us Boomers sent to the Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds also wound up in the same place.
That $7.16 Trillion is now the part of the National Dept called “Intragovernmental
Holdings”. So, we did pay for Infrastructure, we just got Gaslighted and
robbed.
*Where did you think Bill Clinton’s Budget Surplus came from anyway?
Kamala Harris is a smart politician. She will hammer Trump and Vance. If she wins
she will own the depression.
Smart like in totting knee pads around during her whole career?
Hammer Time @ Pelosi Party
Kamala is being promoted as her name is on the 90+million in fundraising dollars accumulated so far and they (the DNC) cannot separate her from those monies without her consent (never gonna happen).
More importantly Harris’ name is on the original ballot and all the delegates are pledged to her/Biden. She is also being promoted for the sake of appearances and unity in the face of the Democratic Party’s upcoming convention. Remember they (the party leaders and donors that matter) all are behind her but they (the ones that matter) also said they are for an “open convention” too!.
Don’t be surprised when the cracks begin to appear before or as the convention begins. The majority of the polls show that she loses to Trump as her policies are inextricably linked to Biden’s in the mind of the voters as she was full throated supporter of those policies and their failures as well, that’s not going to change from now to November.
Kamala is the sacrificial lamb/ox being offered up at this time and supporting her is a way for the Democrats to show unity while at the same time ridding themselves a self serving and obnoxious subordinate (as they did with Biden) when the time is appropriate.
The fact that as a speaker of the English language (so they say) she cannot put a comprehensive sentence together without horribly mangling the syntax of it is further proof of her confused thinking and unfit ability to lead the executive branch of government.
I can only imagine the party leaders mutual shudder as they contemplate her acceptance speech at the closing of the convention. I’m quite sure they are all having a hard time with this behind closed doors but I am equally sure that they (the Democrats) have contingency plans as well.
It’s going to be a bumpy ride until November.
How to win young minority voters in France : the “Last Supper” by Leonardo Da
Vinci featuring drag queen and a 300 pounds Marie Antoinnete as Jesus.
Satirizing religion has been a French tradition for centuries.
We love France. If you see a person worshiping, it’s probably a tourist from the USA.
My money is on the Kamala cult when it comes to attracting young voters. They’ll vote for her because it’ll be a double first. Her policies will hurt them far more than Trumps but they’ll be told capitalism, corporations and billionaires are responsible for her policy failures.
If only she were openly a lesbian. That would make it a triple.
Perhaps she will pick some confused transgender as a running “mate.”
Admiral Levine!
Let’s see who the Democrats will choose as vice-president first because Vance will be debating against him or her almost certainly on this specific question.
Well, yeah, trash-talking any but an opponent or general policies isn’t the best thing for a politician to do. But Vance does need to solidly nail down his role as assassination insurance.
Anyway, the way to deal with Harris is to let female politicians shred her. Vance can’t do anything but, “Yes, mam. But if we do <Harris-policy>, <specific bad-bad> will happen”. And then let her talk. Let her talk a lot. Never interrupt.
Like you called it Mish, Trump had all this time to screen a Vice President, and the best he can do is A scripted, young , unproven J D Vance!!! First big decision and it’s a Thumbs down
Almost as stupid a pick as Sarah Palin was for McCain. The Dems are smiling.
The rest were neocon warmongers.
Vance may be a plant too
NOBODY should pay a higher tax rate, or even a higher dollar amount in taxes. That’s pure discrimination.
Bull! The tax code is much higher for single filers. Those filing single pay higher taxes than those filing head of the household and married. Also, the child tax credit is big for a reason and single folks obviously do not qualify for that.
Everyone should pay exactly one dollar!
Well, we have a huge amount of people from rich to poor (the least to blame) clamoring for handouts, and the govt is in massive debt, so if the govt doesn’t say no to handouts, as it should, you need to either get that money from taxes or money printing, which steals from savers and workers through inflation, because the printed money isn’t backed by enough production of goods and services.
The storyline ending is somewhat quaint now –
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C11MzbEcHlw
I think that the country would be better off if everyone just focused on policy differences rather than personal and lifestyle differences. Why are we trying to make neighbors hate neighbors? I recently finished an 8,000 mile roadtrip from to the opposite side of the country and back. Everybody was friendly no matter which state I was in. I think that everyone reads too many caricatures of the opposing view in their social media.
Yup, everyone holds up in thier echo chamber where they are fed a constant diet of caricatures. Once one gets outside and rubs the propaganda away from thier eyes they can easily see the average Joe/Jane is doing what every other average Joe/Jane is doing…..trying to make a living and get through life with some dignity.
I absolutely agree with you!
The MSM relies on that immensely!
=saying in the past that the childless should pay higher taxes than other Americans
wow! nice fella Trump chosen for VP!
did you know USSR have childless tax?
and time from time in modern Russian politicians (= same old-new communists ) want to re-introduce childless tax again!
wow!!!!!!
You mean if we give tax breaks to people with children the next step is Soviet-style communism with mass incarceration in labor camps and arbitrary executions?
That comes with Project 2025.
Any govt/ nation that insists on having a Social Security retirement system should logically encourage its citizens to have babies.
Do I really need to explain why?
It’s just common sense.
If the govt wants people to have kids, it shouldn’t artificially suppress interest rates through dollar debasement which fuels housing bubbles, making housing unaffordable for people who might want to have kids.
Spot on! Not much to chose from from either party this cycle. Based on his presidency, trump wanting a second term define CHUTPAH! As to vance: Res Ipsa Loquitur!
Chutzpah
Um. So a child tax exemption/deduction/credit/whatnot can be spun as “punishing the childless”. Clever.
There was a time when US tax laws bent over backward to reward people who have children. Even ignoring cultural reasons, that does make sense. Those children will be supporting you in your old age. Yes, saving for old age is commendable, but your savings will be worth exactly what someone’s children and grand kids make them worth.
One can be cynical and forgo having kids, now that other peoples’ kids will support you in your old age. But how sustainable is that as a system?
kids never ever support old parents
esp in USA.
They can’t.
Some can and don’t but it’s OK because we’re doing fine without their help
That’s for sure Sometimes they don’t even visit
Where do you think the money for Social Security comes from if not younger people still working? An important thing to understand since the number of young people contributing to the plan in proportion to the number of older people making claims under it is shrinking dramatically. The plan’s imminent bankruptcy is a foregone conclusion.
Sure they do. Not all but everyone I know has spent lots of time helping their parents when they have a problem.
You pay for your decisions and leave me out of it. I promise not to ask you to pay for my life decisions. Deal? It’s that simple.
That hardly happens. Why do democrats demand I subsidize Planed parenthood with my tax dollars?
Why do Republicans and Democrats subsidize big oil, corn for ethanol, farm subsidizes for huge corporate owned farms and hundreds of other programs? Because a small portion (millions) comes back to them in campaign contributions, read as bribes.
It’s the other way around…..seniors are helping out their adult kids…..
He’s lost the Childless Cat Ladies for Trump. Both of them. If Vance isn’t careful, he’ll lose the Drag Queen vote.
Point made, but the 5-10% of folks in the center who don’t want to vote for either candidate, but will end up voting for one… has Vance helped to bring any of those voters away from Harris or towards Trump? The answer is “no,” because he’s just a wannabe-Trump (minus the cult following).
I* have childs and cats. Peaceful home/ We all get along.
Cats are better than children.
There are many people fed up with the childless Karens and are glad that someone spoke out against them. They are a swing vote also.
Picking Vance leaves the door open for Harris to pick someone that will help in a swing state.
Those people in the middle who see how the Republicans and Democrats are drowning us in debt can vote Libertarian, the party that’s against debt and debasement. And if any Libertarian gets elected and reneges and starts racking up more debt, vote them out.
I’m childless and voting for Trump!!!!
But are you a cat lady? (I like cats but don’t currently have one.)
No I don’t like cats.
theres serious numbers of 40 year old women living alone in my town ….but they dont have cats….they all have big dogs. big dogs that they live with alone. big dogs that they walk everyday, and let them lift their legs against my bushes, and swinging their balls behind their back legs…..
Have you ever been tempted to give those balls a swift kick just to see what happens?
Have you ever gotten stitches from a severe dog bite?
That is why I refrain myself. I get the impression that the dog, usually a Great Dane or equivalent is saying “Go ahead. Make my day.”
Wonder if Kamala replacing Joe this early will end up being the greatest unforced “error” of the Trump campaign? (Hope not) Republicans had to keep calling for Joe to withdraw, go away, whatever. Then the Don agreed to debate JoeTato early instead of waiting until after the convention, when it would have been too late for a replacement. For all her many faults, more Dem wine box single fem “cat ladies” will back Kamala over Joe.
Exactly
Mish, you are mistaken about tax policies that are pro child having an effect on how many children families have. Such policies have worked in many countries, including here in Australia where such tax credits and baby bonuses have worked to boost the birth rate..
As for childless by choice women, most are left voting anyways and most men and women can relate to the memes about childless cat spinsters and would only take offence if they are the sort who takes offence at any meme.
= have worked to boost the birth rate..
fancy to bring official stats about boosting?
Australia’s population increased by six hundred fifty thousand in 2023. One hundred thousand of that increase was a natural increase. . >>>>>>Australian Bureau of Statistics. <<<<<
That rate of natural increase is a very, very high number in the western world including the U.S
Absolute numbers are meaningless given different countries have different population sizes. The only number that makes any sense to quote in this context is the average number of births per woman.
People don ‘t plan children around tax credits!
Laugh out loud.
“This election is a nightmare for Libertarians and independents who both wanted a better choice than what we have.”
I don’t think a realistic person from one of those groups has expected a better choice from the R/D duopoly for decades. There will be other options out there on ballots, but looking for a savior in the form of a politician is not wise.
Every presidential election isn’t the most important one ever and if you believe the advertising that claims it is, then you should consider maybe you have ceded too much control over your life to the federal government.
The very reason the presidential elections are so important is FedGov HAS too much control over your life. It’s next to impossible to not “Do Business” with the DC criminal class.
If only there were a requirement each election to have voters renew or abolish the (non-existent) “Contract” to be under its tyrannical thumb?
Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot were ‘maga’ long before Trump came along. In 2015 Trump saw Jeb! (Please Applaud) et al on one sideline and Hillary / Bernie on the other, and picked the path of least resistance.
There are vestiges of the last of the Chicago ‘third/fourth generation European ethnics’ hiding out in the far southwest suburbs, the only political “right wing / left wing” distinction being which cable tv ‘news’ station they favor, all living right next to each other.
Isn’t supporting lower taxes for people with children the same as supporting child tax credits which are already popular? I suspect Vance has said some idiotic things, but these strike me as fairly weak sauce.
“Lower taxes” only helps people who pay taxes (middle class).
Tax credits are targeted for the near-zero income folks who file only to get welfare credits. Those people aren’t paying taxes.
Even if you think Vance’s opinion was bad, his comments simply don’t compare to the current regime’s actual hideous record of forced mRNA injections (human rights violations), endless unconstitutional war, battlefield humiliations in Afghanistan, an indisputable border invasion, runaway deficit spending, martial law (aka, “lockdowns”), endless lawfare, runaway inflation, supporting mutilation through surgery for gender dysphoria victims, etc.
Spot on
100% on board with your assessment of the current Democratic Party… nonetheless, I really wish Trump would have made a more strategic pick for VP. It’s not that I want Trump to win, it’s that it’s a big hit to the country if Harris wins. I would have preferred that Trump made a pick that just ended the contest right then and there.
When it comes to the mRNA concoctions trump touted and continues to tout “Warp Speed” and then there was the “Two weeks to flatten the curve”. The Covid Hysteria response was a major trump failure. “The [COVID-19] vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind,” Trump remarked.
Trump didn’t lock down one city or school district and Trump didn’t fire anyone for not taking the jab.
The covid hysteria was shorter lived in Red States and dogmatically embraced in Blue Stars. Trump had nothing to do with how Blue States lost their minds over covid