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NYC has “Most Botched Election Ever”, Accidentally Counting 135,000 Test Votes

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Not a Small Discrepancy

Inside Decades of Nepotism and Bungling at the N.Y.C. Elections Board

Earlier today I posted this chart from an Elections Board link.

The Board of Elections removed the link to Round 11 results. In fact, it removed links to all the rounds so who the hell knows what is wrong. 

Notice that the chart says Maya D. Wiley was “eliminated”. Crain’s New York Business used that term and so did others, including me although I strongly questioned the legitimacy of it. (See Absentee Voters Will Decide NYC Mayoral Winner, Only 2 Candidates Remain)

Flawed Process?

Given 120,000+ votes remaining, Wiley could theoretically have won, and by more than a little. Moreover, it easily could have been Wiley vs Garcia. 

There will be more than a bit of soul searching no matter who wins. Clearly it’s best to vote in person for maximum impact.

Sour Searching 

I believe I hit the nail on the head with that comment.

Cook Political Chimes In

Dave Wasserman U.S. House editor of the nonpartisan @CookPolitical  Report & @NBCNews contributor chimes in.

Most Botched Election Reporting Ever

Umm…Something’s Very Wrong 

Based on analysis by Crain’s New York Business as to where the absentee ballots were cast, I placed a bet on Predict-It. It’s no big deal as the max bet is only $850.

I am going to let it run, but it’s a huge crap shoot as no one knows anything, apparently not even the NYC board of Elections.

A Word About Turnout

What a major mess. 

Summation: Antiquated & Dangerously Dysfunctional

“If this debacle doesn’t lead to a sweeping overhaul of New York City/State’s antiquated & dangerously dysfunctional elections regime, not sure what will.“

Addendum 

New York City Accidentally Counts 130,000 Test Votes

135,000 Test Votes Counted

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Onni4me
Onni4me
5 years ago
I am breaking the community rules according to Facebook posting a link to this text. It was labeled spam and hidden from my friends/view. We live interesting times and the freedom of speech is threatened from all directions. 
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amigator
amigator
5 years ago
Not surprised one bit.  
Hooray for Bill Cosby! All is fine now!
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RonJ
RonJ
5 years ago
Election Integrity Project California
  • 7,700+ registrants had two votes credited to their voter registration ID number for the November 2020 election
  • Nearly 124,000 more votes were counted than voters with histories for the November 2020 election
  • 1.8 million+ ineligible registrants are currently on the rolls statewide
  • 108,000+ registrants had their out-of-country or out-of-state birthplace changed to “California” or “the United States” through the online or DMV voter registration system
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Agave
Agave
5 years ago
I used to be a fan of ranked choice, before I experienced it directly. There are some advantages such as having a better possibility of voting to make your second choice win if your first doesn’t, and giving third parties a better shot at winning.
Then ranked choice voting came to my city in California, where you select your top 3 in order. The problem to me was that there is too much confusion about what happens, even for those who follow politics and elections closely like myself. Some of the issues that occur that you at least have to think about even if some seem relatively simple – all of which have answers but maybe take too much study for those who don’t want to dig into the details to understand them:
– How does the multi-round counting work? Will it apply to some offices and not others?
– If you have a long ballot with multiple offices up for votes, local and state and ballot initiatives – how does the ranked choice work for each?
– What if you’re supposed to pick your top 3 but you only pick 2? What happens then – is the vote tossed out?
– Some offices had less than 3 candidates, some had 10 or more. How does that go through the multiple counting process? If there are only 2 candidates, do you still pick your number 1 and 2? Or just 1?
– There was some maneuvering among candidates to say during the campaigns – pick me as #1 and so-and-so as #2 (or 2 and 3). This led to some odd coalitions, some where opposites worked together to try to defeat a leading candidate. But it confuses casual voters who don’t understand what they stand for. Multiply that by many offices up for a vote, and who wants to keep track of that?
-You have to spend more time thinking about each item that you vote for, rather than just pick one choice on the ballot.
These are just some of the things I recall thinking in the aftermath of my first ranked choice voting. Then the wait and uncertainty of multiple rounds of counting left some doubt too. I don’t live in that city anymore, but my take away was that it might be ok if you just had a single issue election (like voting for a mayor in a special election), but with multiple ballot issues over local and state jurisdiction, it was somewhat overwhelming.
Then this New York issue comes along (is it just a single issue election (for mayor), or were there all kinds of other votes to make on this ballot? – I didn’t read enough to know), and even if it’s just a mayoral vote and nothing else, it shows the confusion that can ensue.
BTW, this has NOTHING to do with voting accuracy or (bogus) claims of fraud in non ranked-choice elections or those like we just went through in 2020. Those who try to grab onto this to make such a point are full of it. It is a different issue, related to the complexities of ranked choice voting.
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Bam_Man
Bam_Man
5 years ago
ClownWorld.
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KidHorn
KidHorn
5 years ago
So much for those who claim election fraud is impossible and the voting machines can’t be manipulated.
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Mish
Mish
5 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Nothing to do with voting machines per se – This is procedural incompetence
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Eddie_T
Eddie_T
5 years ago
I think gold is really trying to find a bottom. So many things still point to a rally. A very long daily cycle, extended even more by the shenanigans that happened around the Fed announcement…..the COT remains favorable. The dollar is still creeping up, barely. Either it needs to turn, of some catalyst has to make gold ignore the dollar. In this bubblicious market environment, that could certainly happen.
I’m on the side for a while.Mainly because I have other fish to fry. My RE investments are occupying a lot of time right now, and I need all my spare cash to fix hail-damaged roofs, fallen trees, and (as of yesterday) a new floor in a house less than 10 years old. It isn’t all roses, even though equity is still rising. I hope I don’t have to tap that equity to stay in business. 
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Eddie_T
Eddie_T
5 years ago
Started Marin Katusa’s book, The Rise of America. I was attracted to Katusa after watching a couple of recent interviews. I think all of you should consider reading it, or at least familiarizing yourself with his thesis, which is that a lot of money is about to me made on various “green” projects…and how that will happen, who benefits, etc.
ESG’s are going to change the calculus for corporate finance. For those of you, like me, who have tried to ignore “green” because of the obvious contradictions and lack of any coherent logic behind the entire idea of it….this is your primer for a likely future.
(definition of ESG below)
“ESG investing

ESG refers to a class of investing that is also known as “sustainable investing.” This is an umbrella term for investments that seek positive returns and long-term impact on society, environment, and the performance of the business. There are several different categories of sustainable investing. They include http://esg.adec-innovations.com/resources/newsletters/april-2016-what-is-impact-investing/what-is-impact-investing/, socially responsible investing (SRI), ESG, and values-based investing. Another school of thought puts ESG under the umbrella term of SRI. Under SRI are ethical investing, ESG investing, and impact investing.

Katusa’s world view fits hand-in-glove with that of several of my favorite pundits, fwiw. George Friedman, Peter Zeihan, Brent Johnson. 
Here’s a link for anybody who might be interested.
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Doug78
Doug78
5 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Just watched his video and found it stimulating thoughts. Bought the book. Thanks Eddie.
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Karlmarx
Karlmarx
5 years ago
Just another reason why leaving the rotten apple was a great decision.  
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Webej
Webej
5 years ago
Rest of the world is laughing (again)
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Doug78
Doug78
5 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Rest of the world doesn’t care at all about NYC elections. You are navel gazing.  
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whirlaway
whirlaway
5 years ago
What the hell is going on?   Round 1 ends only when ALL the votes are counted for the first time.   These guys are saying they went through 11 rounds and *now* there are some brand new votes to be counted for the first time??!!    What the hell??!! That is NOT the way RCV is supposed to work!!
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Mish
Mish
5 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Indeed – and the board even posted Wiley was knocked out when she was down by only a few thousand votes and her votes redistributed with 125,000 absentee votes not even counted!
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Carl_R
Carl_R
5 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
It’s worse than that. He’s not only saying that they knocked people out before all the votes were counted, he’s saying that 125,000 fictitious votes were also counted and used to knock people out.
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ajc1970
ajc1970
5 years ago
Some of you are laughing at this.

Me too.  It’s really funny.

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ajc1970
ajc1970
5 years ago
Reply to  ajc1970
ooh… conspiracy theory: “they” did this because they want to forever tank RCV
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Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
5 years ago
Well, first thing here is a quick explanation of how this election’s vote is calculated:
The first question that comes to mind is: Isn’t vote information entered in to a computer? That is:
    1) Someone reads paper ballots and enters the vote information in to a computer.
    2) A machine reads paper ballots and passes the readings to another computer.
    3) A voting machine gets the votes directly from voters and then passes the vote information to another computer.
If so, there should be a computer somewhere that can run the multiple rounds in a moment. And its calculation would be a guess until all vote information is known to it.
As implied by one of those tweets Mish included, this election seems to have been run by those who ran the Democratic Iowa caucuses. Lord help us if these poor saps were involved in last year’s general election. 🙂
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whirlaway
whirlaway
5 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
“If we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure
that we did something to determine who was going to win.” — Hillary Clinton.
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