In an amusing twist to a bankruptcy saga, Giuliani lists Hunter Biden as an unsecured creditor to his bankrupt estate. He failed to list Trump as a creditor.
Bankruptcy Background
On December 15, Rudy Giuliani was found guilty of defaming election workers and slapped with a $148 million verdict.
Giuliani accused two women, Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, of fabricating ballots.
The women went into hiding amid a barrage of death threats from supporters of former President Donald Trump.
Key Moments of the Trial
The Guardian has Key Moments of the Trial.
- Lawyers for Freeman and Moss played audio and displayed several of the racist messages they received in court. It included one of a person saying a racial slur over and over again. Another was a picture of what Freeman described as a kind of “monkey beast” and had writing on it that said “Ruby Freeman’s father”.
- Freeman said she had to leave her home for safety reasons. She hired a lawyer to help keep her name off any home-related documents for her new place. She said she felt like she has lost who she is, and her good name.
- Moss detailed how she became anxious to even leave the house, and that the false claims caused her son to be harassed, eventually failing his classes. She said she still does not really go out.
- Giuliani himself dismissed the verdict and told reporters outside Washington’s federal courthouse that he will appeal, saying the “absurdity of the number merely underscores the absurdity of the entire proceeding”. “It will be reversed so quickly it will make your head spin, and the absurd number that just came in will help that actually,” he said.
Liar to the Bitter End
Giuliani stated he would prove in court that everything he said about Moss and Freeman fabricating ballots was true. Then he presented no evidence and refused to testify.
Next he claimed the decision will be reversed. And now he is bankrupt.
Rudy Giuliani Files for Bankruptcy
The Wall Street Journal reports Rudy Giuliani Files for Bankruptcy.
Giuliani filed for chapter 11 in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of New York on Thursday, reporting estimated assets of between $1 million and $10 million and estimated liabilities of at least $152 million.
Giuliani’s liabilities include millions of unpaid debts from lawsuits. Around $148 million is owed to Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Shaye Moss, the two election workers whom Giuliani falsely accused of meddling with the 2020 presidential election results in Georgia.
A federal judge on Wednesday ordered Giuliani to immediately pay the money he owes to Moss and Freeman, saying he might “hide his financial assets” if he were allowed to wait.
Giuliani listed Hunter Biden, President Biden’s son, and voting equipment companies Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic as unsecured creditors to his bankrupt estate, although the amounts they are owed were listed as unknown. Hunter Biden, Dominion and Smartmatic have pending lawsuits against the former New York mayor.
Hunter Biden sued Giuliani and others in September, alleging that they hacked, copied and disseminated data from his personal devices. Giuliani has said that the lawsuit is frivolous.
Hunter Biden, Dominion and Smartmatic Creditors!?
Giuliani defamed Dominion.
And Hunter has a lawsuit against Giuliani, but that could easily be frivolous.
One Creditor is Missing – Donald Trump
Please consider August 19, 2023 NYT report Giuliani Repeatedly Sought Financial Lifeline From Trump
Rudolph W. Giuliani is running out of money and looking to collect from a longtime client who has yet to pay: former President Donald J. Trump.
To recover the millions of dollars he believes he is owed for his efforts to keep Mr. Trump in power, Mr. Giuliani first deferred to his lawyer, who pressed anyone in Mr. Trump’s circle who would listen.
Mr. Giuliani, 79, who was criminally charged alongside Mr. Trump this week in the election conspiracy case in Georgia, is currently sitting on what one person familiar with his financial situation says is nearly $3 million in legal expenses. And that is before accounting for any money that Mr. Giuliani, the former mayor of New York City, might be owed for his work conducted after Election Day on Mr. Trump’s behalf.
The effort to collect legal fees from Mr. Trump began in earnest more than two years ago. Mr. Giuliani’s main lawyer, Robert J. Costello, started calling people in Mr. Trump’s orbit, making the case that the former president was on the hook for legal fees Mr. Giuliani incurred because of his work for Mr. Trump.
Over a nearly two-hour dinner, Mr. Costello pressed Mr. Trump to cover not only Mr. Giuliani’s legal bills, but also to pay him for the work Mr. Giuliani provided Mr. Trump in the wake of the 2020 election.
Mr. Trump resisted, noting that Mr. Giuliani did not win any of those cases. Mr. Costello, who did most of the talking for Mr. Giuliani, said that the money was not coming out of Mr. Trump’s own pocket, but rather the coffers of his PAC. By the end of the dinner, Mr. Trump agreed that Mr. Giuliani would be paid, one person said. But in the weeks that followed, neither he nor the PAC delivered.
The Tragedy of Rudy Giuliani
Finally, please consider The Tragedy of Rudy Giuliani by the WSJ editorial board.
The [bankruptcy] judgment illustrates the fate of so many who promoted Donald Trump’s claims of election fraud in 2020. Some, like lawyer Sidney Powell, have pleaded guilty to crimes. Those who breached the Capitol on Jan. 6, however naively, have had their lives turned upside down by indictments and in some cases jail time. Mr. Giuliani could be left bankrupt and lose his law license.
The only person who may emerge unscathed from his election falsehoods is Mr. Trump. There’s a lesson in that for those who put loyalty to a person above their better judgment.
Giuliani is disgraced and bankrupt. The DC Bar Association recommended he lose his law license.
If Trump does own Giuliani millions of dollars, someone on the bankruptcy case will figure it out and go after the money.
This could get interesting.
Trump Disqualified From 2024 Colorado Ballot, Supreme Court Challenge Coming
On December 19, I noted Trump Disqualified From 2024 Colorado Ballot, Supreme Court Challenge Coming
This is disgraceful politics by the Colorado Supreme Court. Trump has not been convicted of anything, at least yet.
Trump is accused of crimes, but the Colorado Court is acting like the prosecutor and the jury. The Colorado Court deserves a strong rebuke from the US Supreme Court.
I don’t like Trump but I do believe in the law. The Colorado Supreme court overreached and the decision was 100% pure politics.
Hunter Biden Whitewash
Meanwhile, as the evidence mounts against the president, it is increasingly swept under the rug.
For discussion, please see How the Hunter Biden Indictment Whitewashes President Biden’s Direct Involvement
Impeachment Investigation Merited
An impeachment investigation of Joe is merited, based on the evidence at hand.
The Washington Post claim there is no evidence is preposterous.
A huge amount of evidence directly points to the president despite the massive and still ongoing efforts by the special prosecutor and Joe himself to sweep everything under the rug.
The Real Tragedy
Is Trump vs Biden the best we could do? How about the worst?
Unfortunately, one of them is going to win.
That’s the real tragedy. Giuliani is just getting what he deserves.
quoting Mish “….I find this ruling absurd….”
So does Kunstler, according to him, “a case of “courts of america vs anyone who made our political paymasters mad”
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/whatever-it-takes-wont-be-enough
Did Rudy commission a bunch of paintings from Hunter and not pay for them?
How about Fetterman v Yucko the Clown?
We have two great tragedies – Trump and Biden
Every Politician involved, all sides, are dirty. It is the “highest” shit show of the Last two decades. LOOK at how bad it has become. AND, we have NO say. That is because choosing between evils nets out EVIL.
Powerful forces on one side are winning, obviously. You would think that at SOME point, the tide would turn. It does not appear to be so.
At some point trump or trump org might need to decide to file for BK to preserve assets at great political cost. Failson & Eric may be living on allowances and be forced to file sooner.
Will Melania be a creditor at some point trying to save her pre-nup signing bonus?
Maybe RUDY should have moved his vaporizing assets to FL like OJ did but it’s too late now.
RUDY’s criminal work will increasingly be done by public defenders who may not be willing to waste their time on appeals ad-infinitum. I don’t know if court appointed attys will do civil work for him. RUDY has become a welfare case until he’s incarcerated.
It will be interesting if creditors attys ferret out unpaid and undeclared trump legal bills, embarrrassment for all.
Anything Trump Touches Dies – Copyright Ron Wilson The Lincoln Project
Anything Biden Touches remains Undead – Copyright Satan,
The award is largely symbolic since he doesn’t have anything close to that kind of money (google says his net assets are between 1-10 million).
Obviously he will appeal and of course the appeal will use up more money and depending on how long an appeal takes there is a very large possibility that he either dies of old age or that his estate has no money in it and the lawsuits end up with absolutely nothing which means they lose because they’ve had to pay their own lawyers with no hope of recovering judgement.
well well I would have said otherwise
however given weaponization of courts under diaper joey
of course the TRUTH isn’t sufficient
and Guilani saw that and refused to give wokies anything to use
he’ll be fine – bankruptcy is best move and will find him better off(like OJ) than otherwise
the disgrace is FEDERAL JUDGES weaponizing courts – now illegal, illegitimate and not to be abided by
what am i missing. I admit i haven’t kept up with the whole thing. Trump had 2 senators on Biden some 6 years ago. I figured if there was anything there we would have heard about it. The star witness said just some phone calls to impress clients and no business was discussed. Im not defending either one. It just seems a lot of chatter with so much more to worry about.
On a side note i wonder if tump is gonna pick McCarthy as his vp running mate. After he gets all the mile he can out of the other candidates. Party of the reason they are not bad mouthing him is they want to be vp. Imo. .
He’s going to owe for this lawsuit also:
https://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-demanded-staffer-oral-sex-during-calls-from-trump-lawsuit-2023-5
Hopefully, this should help teach people a lesson about running their mouths off promoting fake beliefs. Jones, Giuliani, who else owe big $$$?
The worse we can do is the two political parties. Doesn’t matter who they run for President.
Kolorado Kalifornia Kooks.
This isn’t about trump vs. biden. its about good vs. evil. Satan is in charge right now, but only by design. G_d just wants to see how many morons will side with team Satan just because they think he’s winning. But G_d always wins.
Could be end times.
Where are all those preachers from the 70s now.
G_d sounds like a real fungi – treating man like mushrooms.
This country really needs a divorce for irreconcilable differences.
Should have split in the 1860’s instead of flooding the country with bloodshed.
No reason to do anything like that again.
Just separate.
That’s as stupid as it sounds coming out of Marjorie Traitor Green’s crazy mouth.
GA kicked out observers then started counting votes after they left. I have a serious problem with that stance. It is officious but more importantly; ILLEGAL.
Ruby should be sued in a civil court for counting votes after the observers were kicked out. She broke the rule of law and she knows it. NO. We do not do this in a constitutional republic. Only in a flimsy democracy with no rule of law where you do whatever you want. NO. NO. NO.
She broke the law. We do not kick observers out then start counting. It defeats the purpose intentional or not. It is wrong. Oh, and her sister was in charge so add nepotism to it. Even if she did something wrong her sister was never going to reprimand her. Her sister was also busted for writing bad checks. A felon in charge of counting votes. What could go wrong?
I’m no Rudy superfan that’s for sure, but the extent to which the courts are being weaponized is utterly stunning. We’ve literally pulled a Thelma & Louise, driving off the cliff and the 50-70% of the country that should care are asleep at the wheel. There’s no telling what could happen between now & early Nov ’24.
The courts are going to put Drump in jail or out of business. Either he gets a pardon and goes away…
Or he likely goes to jail. Time for serious people to step up and run the country. Not some has been loser from “Reality TV”.
Stop the lies. Drump LOST. He’s a criminal and will end up in jail for it. He should have arranged for a Pardon and gone back to conning people into Drump University and other such nonsense and crying business bankruptcy after yet another failed hare brained scheme.
Get out of politics if you can’t stop lying in public.
Mish, your comment “He failed to list Trump as a creditor.” is very presumptuous. What is it that you know that you are not telling us? Please do elaborate.
He won’t answer. He knows he could be sued for
$17.3567 gazillion fakebux for “defamation”.
Try reading the article.
Trump owes him money…
Mr. Giuliani’s main lawyer, Robert J. Costello, started calling people in Mr. Trump’s orbit, making the case that the former president was on the hook for legal fees Mr. Giuliani incurred because of his work for Mr. Trump.
Over a nearly two-hour dinner, Mr. Costello pressed Mr. Trump to cover not only Mr. Giuliani’s legal bills, but also to pay him for the work Mr. Giuliani provided Mr. Trump in the wake of the 2020 election.
So, is Giuliani lying or does Trump owe him money. There are lots of reports on Trump not paying Giuliani. Read some of them
“Is Trump vs Biden the best we could do? How about the worst?” indeed Mish, this is truly a sad time in the history of the Republic.
The low point was when Rudy‘s own lawyer argued in court that Giuliani could not have predicted that Trump supporters were as racist and violent vis-a-vis the two election workers as they turned out to be. Really? And then Rudy goes out of the court room and keeps lying about the election workers. He is also morally bankrupt.
Giuliani is a corrupt POS. He deserves everything happening to him and more.
Except rudy was correct on many election/polling workers and 100% correct on dominion. The 2 named in the suit I dont know thw specifics and dont give 2 shits. It doesn’t matter when the DOJ and “judicial system” has fallen and is completely partisan and weaponized. We are Fd……. but keep wringing your hands and they may just come and eat you last
If Dominion was cheating, why was there NO PROOF? Why did they win in court?
Because very few people understand the data forensics and those that do and stuck their neck out, got it chopped off. Blacklisted.
Destroyed. When the fix is in, the fix is in and nobody is changing it
Agreed!!! And when states allowed all in mail in ballots without using the legislative process, that was ILLEGAL. HARD STOP. Only banana republics allow this sort of voting, and the Dems are against any reasonable measure of ensuring our elections are fair & transparent. They’ve cracked the code. There are all sorts of basic reasons you have to show an ID for but voting isn’t one of them.
The crazy part will come when Trump makes it through the gauntlet, has an enormous show of support, leads in the polls and then somehow “miraculously” loses with another late-night ballot drop & MSM / big tech help by suppressing a last-minute, major scandal that would bring down whomever he’s running against two weeks before the election.
Buncha brainwashed nonsense. I don’t give two shites about Reps or Dems. The majority of people are neither as Independents and the MAGA Reps are flat out embarrassing themselves now. Time for that party to die and be reborn with less whackadoodle people in charge. Otherwise Repa will lose AGAIN when any rational conservative that is fiscally responsible and NOT spewing Election Lies could easily win.
Instead cowards afraid of Orange Mussolini are pretending that the rest of the country has lost its minds.
Sorry get a tinfoil hat, so the Spacelasers don’t getcha!
Stupid is as Stupid does. Or in this case, stupid is as stupid believes from known liars. Nobody with intelligence believes any of Drump’s or Crazy Rudy’s baloney.
Rudy was a fool and a liar.
There is zero evidence on Dominion. Fox paid a $787 million settlement and they were lucky it wasn’t more.
Rudy defamed two people by name, he got what he deserved
Here is your idiotic assessment in full glory “I don’t know the specifics and don’t give 2 shits.”
That exposes you as someone with a severe case of TDS Type II. Your mind is made up, you don’t give a shit about the evidence, and Trump can do now wrong.
I defend Trump because I find this ruling absurd and I am confident the SC will strike it down as absurd. But if you believe all this Dominion shit, you are totally brainwashed and your own comments show it.
Except I personally know 2 data forensic guys that proved dominion was accessed remotely and it was rigged. One spent a day on CSPAN I believe testifying in AZ case. Nobdoy fuckin cared what he said because the fix was in. It is you and many others that are brainwashed. Easy to see with eyes wide open
Names?
That seems a bit unlikely. But the opinion polls did show Biden well ahead whereas the actual pools were much closer.
That could be explained by the voting machines being rigged against the Democrats. Perhaps they were cheated out of control of the House?
Riiiiiiight. You’ve LOST literally EVERY case, and people are going to jail for sedition and many other crimes. Nobody rational believes any of this buncha lies. But it will all come out in the wash. Now go hide in your prepper hidey hole. This will be a long time coming for a bunch of people who deserved to be exposed and punished financially and legally. Crazy Rudy is the first but surely not the last of the famous people who lied and wrecked their own lives foolishly.
“Rudy was a fool” OMG that will cost you 11teen trillion in defamation award. Anything is possible with the sick liberal court system these days just making it up as they go along.
Nah, just Crazy Rudy talking whacky BS for years and now paying the price. More to come from other whack-a-doodles.
Stop the nonsense. Drump is going to lose nearly every lawsuit because he’s as crooked as they come. Either Get a conditional pardon and kick him out of politics forever. OR let justice run its course and see how many convictions he gets.
“Unfortunately, one of them is going to win.”
It isn’t going to be FJB! While Trump MAY get taken down, there’s no way Biden stays in the race to the end. He’ll get replaced at the DNC convention which will be an absolute travesty. Nominee by appointment, but it’s not much of a surprise. Just another example of the Dems rigging elections. Move along.
If the Reps would nominate ANY rational person who could actually lead and NOT spew the lies…they would win easily.
Instead they’re all afwaid of the loud Orange Mussolini. Such a shame that the Reps are to scared to put up a real candidate.
Personality and Politics is all that matter, the Truth be Damned !!
150 million WTF that is insane. Not justified. The legal system is corrupt and weaponized. When a country’s legal system, political system and electton system are corrupt its the reciepe for destruction and civil war. We check all the boxes, how pathetic.
Follow Orange Mussolini and you end up broke or in jail. Or both.
When will the Reps realize they need REAL leadership and not kowtow to a failed sketchy h Reality TV loser?
Are you capable of reading and comprehending correctly? Where in my post does it say I support Trump. Seriously get a life
I do not like Trump either. He is a liar to a degree the world has never seen before, and probably will not ever again! If what he is saying is not an out right lie, then it’s an exaggeration , or embellisment that is off the charts! And no, I am not a Dem. just stating the facts on Trump!
TDS.
We agree you have it. Get help. Be Better!
Trump is an arrogant narcissist. NO DOUBT. Also a credit grabber and always embellishes. He was a dyed in the wool Palm Beach dem most of his life and that kind of stink you don’t just walk away from. Some of that is going to stay with you for the rest of your life.
But I do think he is trying to protect our country from the Satanic left. And to imply he is wrong about everything is stupidly unfair. We should note, among many other good things, that trump did not start any wars.
Trump is a clear and present danger to the whole world.
In what way is he a danger?
Even if he wins, there is a large possibility that either the senate or house is democratic in which case they can literally make him a 4 year lame duck by blocking everything.
As far as presidential decrees go, you can issue as many as you want but no one has to execute any of them (witness sanctuary cities or lots of defiance of Bidens orders by Republican states).
He didn’t launch a nuke either…so F-ing what?!?
He’s corrupt as the day is long. Doesn’t belong in charge of an ice cream stand, much less a country. He’s an Orange Mussolini wannabe and should be nowhere NEAR the presidency. We’ve seen that attack on the Capitol. We don’t need Donny anywhere near power of this level. Both parties need refreshed. Term Limits and Campaign Finance Reform are needed IMMEDIATELY.
Hopefully he got a nice tent to sleep in for the rest of his, albeit limited, existence….
Classic primate behavior. To take down the alpha you have to take down his friends first.
“Chimpanzee Politics” by Professor Frans de Waal
You mean Orangutan 🦧 politics. Get the Orange Mussolini out of politics or on a celebrity has been show.
I think that he owes Hunter about $400 for the laptop that he took.
Rudy‘s stories about Hunter Biden haven’t exactly been bolstered by this court case. It looks like Rudy can make up and lie without any blinking or remorse. After this fiasco, I would not have him as a credible witness on his own age.
My prediction for the 2024 election is Biden being replaced by Joe Manchin of West Virginia.
I have not yet heard that one, but it is quite interesting.
However, I think Manchin has shown that he’s not averse to bucking the Party when he needs to. I think that will doom any chances he has. Democrats are authoritarian, and they don’t elect centrists any longer.
Rudy is 79 years old. He doesn’t need to practice law any more. Revoking his law license is largely symbolic.