The Colorado Supreme Court ruled Trump is guilty of insurrection and blocked him from the primary ballot. This is headed to the US Supreme Court.
Trump Disqualified in Colorado
The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Disqualified From 2024 Presidential Primary Ballot, Colorado Supreme Court Rules
Donald Trump can’t appear on the 2024 presidential primary ballot in Colorado because of his actions surrounding the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol, the state’s highest court ruled Tuesday.
The first-of-its kind decision sided with a group of Colorado voters who argued in a lawsuit that the Republican front-runner was disqualified under a clause in the 14th Amendment. Enacted after the Civil War, the provision disqualifies from public office those who swore to defend the Constitution and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against the U.S.
“President Trump incited and encouraged the use of violence and lawless action to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power,” the Colorado Supreme Court said in a 4-to-3 ruling.
Appeal Coming
The court issued a stay until January 4 allowing for appeal. I expect this ruling is headed for the ashcan.
This is disgraceful politics by the Colorado Supreme Court. Trump has not been convicted of anything, at least yet.
Trump is accused of crimes, but the Colorado Court is acting like the prosecutor and the jury. The Colorado Court deserves a strong rebuke from the US Supreme Court.
Trump’s zeal to hold onto power got him into this mess. Not a well thought out person in the least. But he will set precedent on the 14th amendment section 3 which ever way this goes. Some people would argue that he is a genius. I would argue the opposite.
link to politico.com
‘The Opposite of Politics’: A Conservative Legal Scholar Says Kicking Trump Off the Ballot Is ‘Unassailable’
J. Michael Luttig explains why he thinks the 14th Amendment should prevent Trump from running for president again.
A little color on Colorado’s election law for the more partisan-minded here that are making some negative comments. It wasn’t as partisan as it sounds on the surface. Colorado law is a bit weird here.
1) Colorado tends to minimize partisan judges. There’s a non-partisan commission (I know – nothing is ever TOTALLY non-partisan, but it’s less so) that selects a short list for the governor to choose from. Judges are neither elected nor solely up to a partisan governor. We tend to get more centrist judges here (particularly compared to CA or TX)
2) Colorado election law is unique – for those saying he didn’t get a fair and complete trial, Colorado law allows individuals to bring the lawsuit, and courts have to render judgements in a fairly speedy manor. You get 5 days of hearings with a judgement within 48 hours. Yes, it was fast, but it’s what the law required.
3) The law required the appeal also be expedited because it was filed under a “wrongful act” provision whereby the plaintiffs said the Secy of State would have committed a wrongful act in allowing trump to be on the ballot. That triggered an expedited appeal.
4) The Supreme Court here stayed its own ruling. It would only have an effect if the US supreme court does nothing, which isn’t likely. In the end, it’s kind of a non-event, except for the impact it has on expediting judicial review of the events of Jan 6.
That’s not all so bad. I think we’d all like to get it behind us, one way or another. You can disagree with the outcome, but the process that was followed was the official CO process, however weird.
Reality is not Trump’s friend. It keeps getting in the way as he seeks power and enrichment for himself.
link to nytimes.com
Here Are the Other States Where Trump’s Ballot Eligibility Faces a ChallengeAt least 16 states beyond Colorado currently have open legal challenges to the former president’s eligibility for office — but what happens next depends on the U.S. Supreme Court.
The 14th amendment has already been used. So there is precedent for barring people from office based on insurrection.
Dude. You got downvoted for just quoting history and the law. Tough crowd here.
Congratulations America!!!
Full banana Republic status achieved !
Less banana-ish than it’s made out to be. The law in CO is a little unusual, as is our judicial selection process. The ruling here in CO won’t actually keep him off the ballot unless the supreme court does nothing, which isn’t likely.
I cannot believe the lawlessness of these bozos. Whether you want to call j6 “an insurrection” or not, I do not see how trump “incited” anything. he said respect the police, protest peacefully. They have it on tape yet they keep saying he incited something. It’s outrageous and it it only tells me that the US is going to break down into states again at some point, like the USSR did when it broke back down into Russia and the x-stahns. And it will do so for the same reason: we accepted fake money as if it were real and now that the Global Debt Ponzi (GDP) is rolling over, people no longer care if they get along with those who don’t think like they do.
If this country wants a “Hitler’ to rule America, damn the constitution, Trump is more than well qualified to be on the ballot. B/w why an election, just appoint him as the ‘KING’ for Life and save a lot of money.
Biden autocratically mandated Covid shots. The Biden administration knew the shots didn’t work. Absolute Risk Reduction was only 1% from the trial data. The administration also knew about the numerous adverse events that were occurring to those taking them.
Biden administration violated our First Amendment rights by involving itself in censoring social media posts by medical experts who disagreed with the official agenda. Do you actually care about our Constitution? Biden is up for re-election.
Imo were all guilty of insurrection to some degree. Some on purpose( tump and his orbit). Some who know better and are afraid for there jobs and lives( certain members of congress ). Some who benefited financially ( fox news/ a host of characters like my pillow guy etc)
As goes on down to the average voter whos belief system is shaped by misinformation national pride Etc.
thats how it works change the top and the rest will tow the line.
You may like it because you agree what trump stands for. It will be all good until you dont. Then you wont be able to get back what you had.
Sadly, the big number of down votes here kinda proves your point.
The way to save democracy is to have the current government decide who can be on the ballot and who cannot, like they do in China.
Mish, you are so wrong. Trump incited the crowd to riot disrupt the democratic transfer of Power. Trump is a dictator and our democracy is founded on the basis that men and women are upstanding, law abiding citizens. Should there be a future autocrat elected, our Republic will not ever survive. We will join the ranks of Russia, North Korea, China, and etc. About a week after I witnessed the insurrection, I changed my registration from Republican to Independent. Perhaps our country should have more than two parties to balance the extremism of our current elected officials. Ive enjoyed your post for years, however, your extreme posts regarding the Republican party offends me as now an independent registered voter. Time for us to all wake up, lest we forfeit our democracy.
Wrong about what?
You just convicted Trump without a trial.
You, like the idiots in Colorado, set yourself up as prosecutor, judge and jury.
YOU are the one who is wrong.
And for the record, I cannot stand Trump.
By the way, when this idiotic trial balloon is blasted by the Supreme Court, it will help Trump.
“By the way, when this idiotic trial balloon is blasted by the Supreme Court.” “When”? There’s a substantial debate among constitutional law scholars about the merits and about how SCOTUS might rule. It is not “when” but “if.” And if they reverse Colorado, it might be rather respectfully because the Colorado opinions follow the jurisprudence of SCOTUS, right down to quoting Heller. Colorado tailored the decision to SCOTUS brilliantly. Donut count a reversal before it hatches.
Correction – he was not convicted. The standard in question does not require conviction of anything, much like the requirement to be over 35 doesn’t require an act of congress to enforce. It also doesn’t actually keep him off the ballot – you need to look at the ruling and CO law more closely before you speak.
You need to understand the obvious.
1. Trump was never formally accused of what the court said he did.
2. The Court acted as prosecutor, Judge and Jury.
3. Politics aside, no one in their right mind would agree to this
4. I would have defended Biden if the same happened to him
5. Had this been Biden, the charges would have been laughed at by the CO Supreme Court
Another “guardian of democracy” in favor of 50% of country being barred to vote for candidate of their choice because a few judges in robes act as judge, jury and executioner without due process of a trail.
Your types will result in breakup of country with Red state having their President and blue states having their President. Just stop it.
Best Trump at the polls by fielding a competent candidate.
You’re the one that needs to wake up Pal. Fortunately, most Americans seem be wakening from from this dystopian mindfuckery & gaslighting that these America hating Fascist Corporatist Authoritarians have forced upon us.
Open the border, kill the 1st & 2nd Amendments, debase the Dollar & STEAL OUR FUCKING ELECTIONS!
Bullshit Flag thrown by a larger & larger percentage of the ‘Deplorables’.
Denver is now the official capital of the United States of Banana.
We all know what Trump did. It it quacks and waddles, its a friggin duck.
So no due process? Sounds like a threat to democracy.
It’s very much the way we all know Joe Biden has been taking bribes from foreign nationals. It’s not enough to know it though. You have to prove it.
Yes, we know that Trump asked for some 10,000 national guard in order to control the crowd on J6 and was turned down. We also know that in his speech he told people to protest peacefully. He did not incite insurrection.
to bad spotus just as bad as colorado
the proper action would be to disbar the entire group who voted and approved this
That’s not true though. The judge in the earlier case had ruled that Trump is guilty of insurrection. Whether or not we agree with the verdict, he was not merely accused.
So you are saying a judge was the prosecutor and jury
I don’t know the ins and outs in the case, but I assume he was prosecuted by someone else? I doubt the judge brought the case themselves? If that is what happened, then it’s strange indeed.
At this point it’s looking beyond desperate politicisation of the legal system, not unlike the attempts to campaign against and overturn the Brexit result… these people are abusing the judiciary to undermine the will of the people – it’s police state aggression against civil society, democracy. and it seems they basically want to establish a new form of techno-feudalism, and lord it over the hoi polloi.
Stop that. It is liberalism 101 to assume shit and then make direct assertions. That is why they are so easily controlled by headlines. They have no power of critical thinking, of discernment. They don’t think or consider or challenge; they herd.
You don’t know the “ins and outs of the case”, but you are repeating it as fact? Brilliant. Do you work for CNN?
What, you mean this? link to npr.org or this link to politico.com or that civil suit?
At this point it’s looking beyond desperate politicisation of the legal system, not unlike the attempts to campaign against and overturn the Brexit result… these people are abusing the judiciary to undermine the will of the people – it’s police state aggression against civil society, democracy. and it seems they basically want to establish a new form of techno-feudalism, and lord it over the hoi polloi.
An arbitrary halfwit “ruling” and “finding” and “deeming” and “deciding” and “judging” some equally arbitrary utter nonsense. To the cheers of well indoctrinated, captive quarterwits everywhere!
America in the #DumbAge, indeed!
There was no insurrection. It’s Gaslighting. Democrats kept the 40,000 hours of government controlled video secret, so the public could not see the truth. The Democrat controlled House Committee on J6 was obviously political sham, as well.
Trump asked for some 10,000 national Guard troops to control the expected crowd. That was not someone who was inciting an insurrection. He wanted to prevent what happened. In his speech, Trump told people to protest peacefully.
A few days ago i saw a video which was composed of cell phone video in the crowd, as well as police body cam and surveillance cameras. From the look of it, it appeared that the police fired on the crowd without warning. If that is correct, the police started the violence, precipitating the riot which followed.
I read yesterday that a Florida woman was arrested for being in the Capitol building. Finally released surveillance footage showed Capital police allowing people to enter the Capitol Building and peacefully pass through corridors. Video showed police even acted as tour guides for the so-called Shaman. Yet some grandmother was prosecuted for “parading through the Capitol.”
So you are telling me that I did not witness people hunting a vice president of the Unites States in the Capitol building on the 6th of January 2020?
Since “J6” occurred in 2021, most definitely you didn’t witness anybody doing anything in the United States Capitol on the 6th of January 2020…
No you didn’t – you witnessed being conditioned by a corrupt media and a horde of FBI posing as “insurrectionists” as a pretext to indulge in lawfare. This is not far removed from the CCP cultural revolution, or Stalinist propaganda.
Hunting? What kinds of guns were they carrying? Or did they at least have knives? No? Did they at least have baton? Sticks? Stones? Strong words maybe. You people do not know what an insurrection looks like. If an insurrection happens it will involved AR15s and running gun battles not a QAnon Shaman wearing war paint and flip flops.
Evidence in support of Trump actions that constitute insurrection? Speech ending with instructions to “peacefully and patriotically” protest? All those emails, texts and letters organizing insurrection? Must of missed? Advice, beat Trump by getting 1 more vote for Biden. US version of Radcliffe line?
You sir, are deluded. The facts are clear. You have no business being on any thread, much less this one.
I just presented some facts that video cameras recorded and were kept from the public by the corrupt J6 committee.
It would be interesting to see other states have courts that decide that Biden has not held to his oath to defend the constitution through his efforts to deny free speech and thus guilty of insurrection. Perhaps we will see a wave of red disqualifications. Our politicized judicial system may be on it’s last legs.
weaponized political system
Whether Trump is an insurrectionist according to the 14th is a complex legal question (and my best guess is that judge Luttig happens to know this legal stuff better than anybody). But that Trump is a threat to the rule of law can’t be disputed. The one MAGA reaction to the Colorado decision on Lie Social that caught my eye was that there will be 4 more people to hang after MAGA takes power. That’s where we are headed with Trump.
Of course it can be disputed; what can’t be disputed is that Biden and the Democrats are threat to the rule of law, what with their financial corruption, insider trading, politicisation of the DOJ and FBI and MSM and social media, and their cult-like Maoist-Stalinist hysteria and big lie politics.
Then try to dispute it with facts and logic.
The Bible calls Satan “The accuser”. Now I know where liberals get it from. Just make up false accusations and the repeat it over and over and over again thinking that means it is truth.
Colorado is now in play! Lets gooooooooooooooo
Let the people decide
In that case people did decide in November 2019
What exactly did “the people decide” in November 2019? Enlighten us please…
Exactly what do that “have” on him. I seem to recall that Trump called for Peaceful protesting?
Don’t take my point as if I were a Trump supporter. I am a non-supporter of ALL POLITICIANS, simply by definition.
“Politicians” are “Takers.”
THEY INSINUATE they will be “GIVERS.”
Giving is non-existent in Politics – – we all know this – – unless you define giving by some measure that eludes me.
Waiting for West Virginia Supreme Court to ban Biden from ballot for bribery. How you get a president of red state and president of blue states.
Well, there is always that “two wrongs” argument.
If this stands, state supreme courts will decide elections. Let the people decide
The American War of the Two Popes.
I read all 80 comments b4 posting. It seems nobody read the actual ruling. Irrespective of which ‘side’ you might be on, the ruling is 100% lawfare for media consumption. Here’s why:
The CO SC stayed the ruling until Jan 4 to allow for an appeal. But if Trump does appeal, then they further stayed their ruling until SCOTUS resolves the issue. And, they ordered the CO Sec State to follow the existing law, in terms of placing candidates on the ballot.
The CO Sup Ct knows they will be overturned. CO does not even have an enforcement mechanism under their election code that would even allow for removal to happen. Setting that aside, they provided SCOTUS with the option of simply running out the clock…meaning under the normal SCOTUS operating procedure Trump will be on the ballot.
How do 4 Colorado judges conclude Trump is guilty of treason under 14th amendment designed to prevent certain confederates from holding federal office. Trump has never been convicted? Innocent until proven guilty. Can WV ban Biden from ballot for “bribery.” Slippery slope.
Then it is all about BAITING.
This decision is not a ‘political decision’. This is a Constitutional law decision.
No it’s not. Read my comment above. CO does not have an enforcement mechanism in their own election statutes to remove a candidate from the ballot for ‘insurrection’. Trump has not been accused or convicted of insurrection. But even if he was, CO has no statuatory language in their election law whereby they could remove a candidate for that offense.
And as I state above, the decision is stayed, essentially indefinitely. And the court ordered the Sec St to follow existing CO law. Meaning Trump will be on the primary ballot. SCOTUS will likely run out the clock, and that puts Trump on the general ballot as well.
No offense, but you really should not comment
when you don’t know what you are talking about.
We are in an intellectual hell as far as I’m concerned. 99% of people simply read the clickbait propagandized headline then head straight to the comments.
I agree. This ruling is a big fat nothing burger. Even if it wasn’t, what are the chances that Trump would win CO to begin with? Slim to none in my view.
I have some really nice looking swamp land for sale. Interested?
“There’s my argument, restrict immigration,” Groucho Marx, Monkey Business.
SCOTUS is going to throw Trump under the bus as they have under every turn. There is an increasingly likelihood Haley not only gets the nomination but also wins the White House in 2024 b/c of what the Supremes can do to Trump. We know Republicans on the court will do everything they can to save the party and the power structure despite Trump having appointed 3 of them. It is holding power that has led them to the promised land on a great many issues. It is a political grenade the court is sitting on. Oddly, the Dems on the court may want Trump in the race given Biden is the likely nominee. Trump may be the only person Biden can beat.
Your on crack.
No, he’s on that new Zombie drug.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Did you read the decision?
I think casual observer is partly correct, most of the legal harassment of Trump by the Dem party machine is intentional to elevate Trump because they think he’s easy to beat in the general. This could backfire..
Perhaps they are so deep in their own bubble that they actually believe their own hot air – getting high on their own supply.
My best guess is that SCOTUS will put the Constitution aside (all the big legal guns in the know on the conservative and liberal side seem to agree that Trump is an insurrectionist against the Constitution under the 14th). But going with the Constitution would mean legal chaos across the states, and there will be less overall damage if SCOTUS punts the ball to the voters.
Biden is not the likely nominee. The Dem’s don’t even want him for a 2nd term.
“The Colorado Court deserves a strong rebuke from the US Supreme Court.” More likely is a strong affirmance. Read Ilya Somin’s analysis, at Reason.
Here is the link that Yooj failed to include:
link to reason.com
Trump clearly took place in the rebellion against the constitution. He does not have to be convicted, it only stipulates that the person that anyone engaged in insurrection or rebellion. That also goes for all of the other people who were caught and convicted. Democracies have a history of doing this for this reason.
Some insurrection when even the crooked beyond belief FBI admits no one was carrying any firearms and Trump himself kept calling for law and order and a peaceful protest. But then we haven’t been a democracy or a republic for quite a while and Colorado proves it
Hang Mike Pence. Lest you forget.
How many FBI agents were chanting that? Head of the FBI won’t say…
What do FBI agents have to do with this?
This was a serious fight that had weapons. People were injured and killed.
14th Amendment adopted to prevent former high officials of confederate states from holding federal offices during reconstruction. Correct? Trump encouraged a mob of idiots to “peacefully protest” counting of electors. No criminal conviction. Waiting for West Virginia to ban Biden from ballot for bribery. Acts like this will result in Union of Blue States and Union of Red States.
The constitution does not say conviction. Participation is the operative word.
So a mere accusation is sufficient? Where would tgat lead?
All judges agree with evidence of Trump being in insurrection participation. My guess all 9 supreme court judges will agree with the evidence. An elected official then participates in insurrection is no longer allowed in office. Whether repub or dem, its a good rule.
The over a 1000 people convicted in the Jan 6th insurrection all said they were there because Trump told them. They listened to Trump. Trump was the clear leader in all of this. “Stop the steal”. It couldn’t be clearer. Your selective memory is noted.
I love how everyone is now a constitutional law expert
trump was the leader of the insurrection. If it weren’t for Trump. there would not of been 1000s of people storming the white house. Conviction is not needed. There is no language in the 14th amendment stating conviction as a requirement. Just participation.
Turn off your Gaslight. There was no insurrection. No rebellion. Trump requested 10,000 National Guard troops to control the crowd. Trump told people to protest peacefully.
True.
A pretty stilted point of view. Trump said to fight like hell to get your country back.
It’s always fun to see how far out of reality some people are. You have quite the selective memory on this. 4 people received the rare charge of sedition which is a very difficult charge to prove. Donald was the clear inspiration in their zeal to “stop the steal”.
By Daniel Barnes, Liz Brown-Kaiser, Dareh Gregorian and Julia Jester
WASHINGTON — A jury on Monday convicted four members of the Oath Keepers of seditious conspiracy in the second batch of guilty verdicts related to the extremist group’s efforts to block the certification of the 2020 presidential election.
In addition to the seldom-used charge of seditious conspiracy, the four — Roberto Minuta, Joseph Hackett, David Moerschel and Edward Vallejo — were convicted of obstruction of an official proceeding and conspiring to obstruct.
U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta ordered the four to be placed under 24-hour house arrest with limited exceptions and limitations on internet usage until they are sentenced, “notwithstanding the nature of these charges, which are undoubtedly serious.”
Moerschel’s attorney, Scott Weinberg, told reporters that “we’re pretty disappointed with the verdict” and that they plan to appeal.
He said Moerschel and the other defendants were “swept up by the ‘Stop the Steal’ nonsense that was pushed by the president,” adding, “While people are responsible for their own actions, I think it’s important that all people take stock” and “take everything with a grain of salt, because when you follow somebody blindly, you end up in a terrible situation.”
Mish, it is honestly stunning how many of your readers are idiotic beyond estimation. Yeah, maybe they are just trolling, but still…
SCOTUS will be between rock and a hard place.
The talk shows tonight have been talking up the SCOTUS subscription to the theory of originality and a literal interpretation of the Constitution. Will the SCOTUS go against their previous rulings?
OTOH, if they do hold up the ruling, that will allow other states the freedom to also remove Trump from their ballots.
Given Trump’s continuing problems with run-on-and-foot-in-mouth, many might thank SCOTUS if they sided with Colorado, allowing the Republican’s the freedom to then nominate someone NOT TRUMP and try to get the Republican party realigned.
But this could lead to a real risk of serious rioting by Trump cult members if upheld.
Trump cult members? You mean over half the US? That cult? Lmao.
Demogogue Party cult-members more like.
Indeed. I remind you of the proverb that “There’s a sucker born even minute”.
Take a look at the last 6 years. It’s overwhelmingly the leftists that have rioted. But nice try.
It doesn’t matter if it goes to the SCOTUS or the verdict. The fact that it got this far is a rubicon moment. No turning back from it. I’m a positive person but no way to recover from it. Trump has many faults but inciting an insurrection is not one of them. Neither is questioning the worst form of voting globally of mail in ballots. It is hands down the apex way to cheat to include no way to audit any of them. Not recounts but actual real audits. We can’t audit elections. Nothing is stopping anyone from cheating. We don’t have a solution to improve the system.
Yes, American has fallen apart!
Great country! Keep the light on the corruption so more citizens can see the highway out.
I for one agree with the Supreme Court, about time court regonize Trump for what he is a traitor and an insurrectionist. Hopefully for the sake of America he doesn’t get elected and destroy democracy.
The scary part of this type of dumb is its lack of awareness.
The TDS is strong in this one…
So we need to remove people from the ballot potentially depriving people of their preferred candidate in an effort to protect democracy? Is that a little like a gang bang as a form of rape control?
Troll.
So denying due process is now pro-democracy? Got it.
This is as bad a Supreme Court Justice Brown’s answer to, “Can men get pregnant?” at her confirmation hearing.
Colorado has been captured by the liberals for decades now. The vote has been stolen from the people for even longer. We have a rouge government at every level … they hate the people
Like Trump or hate him…
not fixing a DOJ-gone-rogue, per Oath, has its consequences.
For everybody.
Even a failed, half-assed insurrection is an insurrection.trump’s ineptitude shouldn’t be a winning defense.
Jan 6 was an insult to real insurrections. An unarmed, disillusioned crowd meandering through the Capitol building’s rope lines with grandma, that managed to capture Nancy Pelosi’s podium for a few minutes thanks to the full cooperation of Capitol security, and all filmed by a BLM leader in disguise in their midst!
Contrast that with eight months of riots, looting, assaults, and arson on a grand scale in 80+ cities that the insurance industry had to call “civil unrest” when tallying the $1B+ in damages inflicted on the taxpayers, shareholders, and policy holders….
So you would have perhaps considered it a “real” insurrection if the participants had been carrying pitchforks, axes and spades?
I would welcome a pitchfork protest. That would be eye candy and HIGH entertainment value.
Try reviewing the events around the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the overthrow of Ceaucescu, if you want to see what a real insurrection looks like. That event in America was like a tourist tour of the capitol.
But LEGALLY still fits the definition of an insurrection, which is what resulted in the huge number of guilty pleas and convictions.
I understand that you and others are upset that YOUR interpretation of situations and events do not match those of TPTB, but such is life. Deal with it.
An insurrection with no guns???
That does not compute.
One really has to wonder if there is any action they would not resort to in order to keep him out of the White House.
I keep hoping for an Oswald or Jack Ruby. We still have time.
You may yet get your wish.
But just think about what you’re wishing for.
Simply by so opposing him, you’re supporting something really very ugly.
And yet is no different than what many others are calling for across and against various issues, individually and across college campuses, for example, death to Israel and all Jews.
So you are against democracy and for murder. Got it.
The problem with being a libertarian is that … even if bad practice gets good results … you can’t celebrate it. I would love to see other than Trump get the republican nod … but you can’t do it with banana republic sh– like this. Even if this BS stands … Trump still wins the nod … then I guess Colorado has no Republican presidential candidate in the general election. How can a court that prestigious not think through their actions?
BTW trump is a libertine not a Libertarian
This can backfire like Harry Reid’s filibuster. Tit for tat disqualifications from red states incoming.
And the basis for that would be?
Pretty much anything just like Colorado. I’m pretty sure Republican states can be equally creative.
Good. Just when this current presidential election cycle was starting to feel old, dated, and repetitive. Maybe the media will pick up this story and run with it.
How can Trump be found guilty of insurrection, when it was already ruled, Federally I believe, that there was No Insurrection? Doesn’t that ruling trump (no pun intended) any decision by the State?
I also thought it was much, much harder to block someone, rightfully on the ballot, from staying on the ballot.
This is headed to the US Supreme Court. I can’t possibly imagine any outcome other than tossing this ruling, and with a stern rebuke as well.
It has not been ruled upon federally. There was an impeachment process but that’s a political function not a judicial one. The standards and the question itself are completely different.
As far as him being convicted of something (Mish’s statement above), he kind of just was.
Having a Secretary of State take him off the ballot is a banana republic thing to do. Starting what will likely be an intense and long judicial process at the highest level? That’s just good law. Not banana-ish at all.
Personally I hope he’s kept off the ballot, but if not then that’s a prosecutorial failure. I’d be miffed with the prosecution not the judges or the process.
FBI said there was NO insurrection on Jan 6. FBI are the Feds sooo…
link to washingtonexaminer.com
Right on Mish. How the Democrat judges think they can do this is insanity.
Only three of the judges can read cursive. The US Constitution is written in cursive.
You don’t think you read the decision. Even the 3 dissenting judges did not dispute that Trump is an insurrectionist under the 14th; they wanted to punt given Colorado‘s local rules. The law is clear; but it may be politically unwise to apply it to Trump.
I prefer this guy’s take:
“The decision by Colorado’s Supreme Court Tuesday to remove former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 ballot is ‘unassailable,’ according to former federal appellate judge and prominent conservative J. Michael Luttig.”
I believe the Supreme Court will jump on this…
Repercussions to all 50 States just in the (saint) nick of time.
You can delay, delay, delay…
but you can’t bullshit your way…
thru the court system.
Tell that to Hunter Biden
We really are a banana republic with nuclear weapons. Hopefully, SCOTUS does the Constitution and the nation right with this one; Jonathan Turley seems to think they will and that this is yet another egregious abuse of power using the horrid euphemism of “judicial activism” to undermine the rule of law and weaponize the judicial system against political opponents.
The Constitution defines the qualifications. Over age 35 and natural borne citizen if I recall correctly.
14th Amendment adds a qualification. (Also residency, in original).
That clause doesn’t seem to apply to the POTUS or VP. Should be interesting.
Really? I don’t see any specific exclusion referring to either POTUS or the VP.
So why insert any reference to those positions?
You gotta’ love the human debris always bleating “Our Demahhhhhhcracy” while rigging the system to remove those they hate from the ballot. This is an abomination of a ruling and in a sane world SCOTUS will shove it up Colorado’s cloaca.
All’s fair in love and war. This is war.
No, it’s a Maoist jihad by the Democrat Party.
Then don’t lecture us about Trump being a threat to democracy, because you clearly don’t believe in it yourself
The requirement is ‘engaged’ not convicted. In 1868 or so the section was viewed as disqualifying, e.g. Jefferson Davis from returning to the Senate. Davis had not been convicted of anything. The section nonetheless disqualified him.
Your interpretation of the 14th Amendment is expansive, to say the least. Let’s not forget that the US Senate already acquitted Trump of these charges. I suspect that the US Supreme Court will come back with a definitive denunciation of this foolishness.
If this ruling stands there won’t be any candidates on any future ballots; a tit-for-tat weaponization of the courts across red and blue states will ensue and probably even infect down-balloting.
The Democrats have done the nation and the citizenry a huge disservice with “judicial activism,” aka, undermining the rule of law and the Constitution, circumventing it, ignoring it, and weaponizing the courts against political opponents. Voting is finished in this country if the courts invalidate opposition candidates, and that’s all this is for anyone looking at this objectively.
Don’t expect any overseas confidence or investment if this is the road we are going down. Banana republics aren’t known for their ROI, safety, and strong balance sheets…
You have no idea how much the rest of the world dislikes America, do you? If you weren’t a bunch of baffoons you might get on better.
SCOTUS will shoot this down, I agree, as it’s premature to invoke the 14th amendment. If Trump is convicted in either the DC or GA case though, I expect them to rule in favor of disqualification, with perhaps only Clarence Thomas dissenting, unless he recuses himself (as he should). My sense is all the justices are institutionalists and Trumps media attacks on the judiciary are of concern to all of them, except perhaps Thomas, who strikes me as particularly corrupt.
Not a big Trump fan, but don’t you have to be convicted of the crime first?!
No. The section disqualified all the Confederate leaders from returning to Congress, but they had not been convicted of anything.
They had lead a war against the united states. So it was definitive. Unlike the “insurrection” which is anything but.
Hmmm. I bet the 900+ who pleaded GUILTY or have been convicted so far might dispute your POV. lol
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The Justice Department has charged more than 1,200 people with taking part in the riot, and more than 900 have either pleaded guilty or been convicted following a trial, including dozens who assaulted police officers.
link to reuters.com
No one was charged with insurrection. No one pled guilty to insurrection. The charges were things like trespass, entering and/remaining in a restricted area, and obstruction of an official proceeding (which “obstruction” will now be reviewed by SCOTUS).
AGAIN, they pleaded guilty and/or were convicted of what they were charged, however it was framed.
but what they were charged with was not insurrection… so your faux point is invalid.
Jojo, are you off your puberty blockers yet? Most of those J6ers were so overcharged that unless you had money, you copped a plea. Grow up.
Also, Gorsuch agreed with this opinion in a past similar case before he got to SCOTUS. That and Roberts could use this case as a way of showing the court isn’t entiiiirely political.
The post-Civil War was strange legal times. All of the prominent Confederates were treated as having no rights unless they applied for amnesty and it was granted to them. The Confederate President Jefferson Davis was imprisoned for two years at Ft. Monroe without charge. Realizing that that wouldn’t fly he was released. Charges were never brought against him out of fear that a jury might decide that the Confederate States did have a right to secede.
I had read that the clause in the 14th Amendment was added by the annoyance of Republican congressmen at seeing former colleagues = Confederates back in office, in the Capitol building. Still, some ex-Confederate officers were elected to Congress years after the war.
It is a pity that the writers of the 14th Amendment didn’t outline how or who makes the determination that someone had engaged in insurrection. The accusation against D. Trump is a stretch, falling short of the accusations against Confederates after the Civil War, or in analog against Honduran President Zelaya who was removed from office in 2009, or Peruvian President Fujimori now sitting in prison.
You think due process matters to leftists? Take a look at the “believe all women” crowd if you need a refresher.