Republicans Blast Trump
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul: “The vote today is not a protest. The vote today is literally to overturn elections.“
Actual Cabinet Members Call for the 25th Amendment
House Judiciary Pushes for 25th Amendment
Miami Herald Calls for Trump’s Removal
Trump is deranged, dangerous and ‘incapacitated.’ Invoke the 25th Amendment and remove him from office.
Senator Mitt Romney (R) Calls Today’s Events an Insurrection
Senator Burr (R) Blasts Trump
“The President bears responsibility for today’s events by promoting the unfounded conspiracy theories that have led to this point.”
Trump Will Be a Man Without a Country
Trump Staff Contemplating Quitting
https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1347003405080805381
Inside the Storming of the Capitol
What Will History Call Today?
US Attorney Ryan Patrick
Senator Tammy Duckworth on Trump
Senator Tom Cotton (R) Blasts Trump
https://twitter.com/PostRepublicanZ/status/1346996674993020928
Trump Has Lost It
Trump Supporters Swarm Washington State Governor’s Mansion
Today in a Photo
Republicans Abandon Trump
- Senator Roy Blunt of Missouri a senior Republican, said he had no more interest in what Mr. Trump had to say. “I don’t want to hear anything,” he told reporters. “It was a tragic day and I think he was part of it.”
- Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, another Republican leader, said Mr. Trump was responsible for the violence. “There’s no question that the president formed the mob, the president incited the mob, the president addressed the mob,” she told Fox News in comments she then posted online. “He lit the flames. This is what America is not.”
- Tom Bossert, the president’s former homeland security adviser, called out his former boss. “This is beyond wrong and illegal,” he said on Twitter. “It’s un-American. The President undermined American democracy baselessly for months. As a result, he’s culpable for this siege, and an utter disgrace.”
- “There is nothing patriotic about what is occurring on Capitol Hill,” Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio tweeted. “This is 3rd world style anti-American anarchy.”
- Senate Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) said any move to overturn the results would cause a “death spiral” for democracy. He said that there was no evidence of fraud “anywhere near the massive scale that would have tipped this entire election.”
Violent End of the Trump Era
Points 1-3 above from A Mob and the Breach of Democracy: The Violent End of the Trump Era
Points 4-5 and Cruz below from the WSJ.
Cruz Cast His Lot With Trump
“I understand your concerns but I urge you to pause and think, what does it say to the nearly half the country that believes this election was rigged if we vote not even to consider the claims of illegality and fraud in this election?” Mr. Cruz said.
Twitter and Facebook both suspended Trump.
Good News
- Trump 2024 is Now Officially History
- Senator Ted Cruz and his merry band of 11 Trumpian degenerates can likely kiss their presidential hopes goodbye as well.
Notes on Attempting a Civil Discussion
Mish
Rand Paul was spot on on his defense of Federalism and the right of the states to run their elections and present their electors for certification. There was literally nothing for much of the Federal Government to do with any of this.
Please Arrest All Accountable .. Including Trump !! Our President Should Not Walk The Protestors Down To The White House.. “Our Life and Our Nation Matters”
Moral outrage. Moral indignation. Moral preening.
Political posturing. Serious people on the take sounding statesmanlike words.
Pristine election. Sacred election. Greatest democracy.
Worst ever, far worse than Bush attacking Iraq on the basis of lies or 911 or American sponsored rendition and torture and bombing of children.
As Trump fades from the page of history, all the deplorables fade along with him. For sure.
So unAmerican. This is not America at all.Just an incident.
Whew.
Hey moron…I guess you have been asleep during things like separation of children from their parents and record civilian deaths fro drones.
Those children and their parents CAME to America uninvited and illegally, unlike the disgraceful cases mentioned by ‘moron'(I think you are more of a moron than he is) when the US invaded regions that were none of its fckn business..;
And where do us sound money, free market, limited govt, and peace folks go? It was pretty obvious Trump was a bs artist….talked a good game about deficit spending and yet…as for the GOP…it was gone a long time ago..Trump was proof when he took the party by storm. Libertarian Party is a joke…it sucks.
A random tweet…I’m so old, I remember when mainstream Republicans were basically reasonable people with differing views on economics, and not a festering fucktangle of seditious democracy-hating treason-weasels
Notice that it is ELITES who are afraid of “insurrections”, “anarchy” and “riots”. Not the common people…
You have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s the common people who will suffer the most if a democracy turns into dictatorship. That a history proven fact.
The common people simply think anarchy / dictatorship is not going to affect them … until it does.
Any comment that legitimizes insurrection, anarchy, or riots is disgusting and irresponsible.
Perhaps some people need to recall how this republic came into being … I’m sure it was disgusting and irresponsible insurrection/rebellion, anti-monarchy, and riots to the British elite … and though those last several terms are fairly descriptive I doubt the colonists agreed it was disgusting and irresponsible to engage in them. All a matter of perspective ….
And I’m not saying I approve of the storming of the capitol, but that’s my perspective. Until people of different perspectives can start addressing those differences peacefully in open, honest, effective discussion we’ll keep heading in the same direction that leads to violent conflict.
I hope you are right that Trump 2024 is history, and that Cruz and others have blown their political careers. But, do you really think a super narcissist like Trump will simply fade away? There still remains a very large contingent of voters who think the election was rigged against Trump.
I would much rather for him to be impeached, removed from office, convicted of a felony and never allowed, via act of congress, to ever run for political office again. Otherwise, charismatic narcissists like Trump will always possess a constituency of morons. And as we have learned, America has no shortage of morons.
It’s story time. Let’s go back to 1978, in Tennessee. The Governor, Ray Blanton, was mass pardoning criminals at a remarkable rate, and it was alleged that he was taking bribes in exchange. He was a Democrat. The Governor-elect, Lamar Alexander, was a Republican. Democrats had a huge majority in the Tennessee Legislature. No one could prevent him from issuing pardons, and he had a long list of convicted murderers and rapists that he said he intended to pardon, so, what could they do?
What happened is a moment in American History to be proud of. The Democrat controlled Legislature convened, and swore in a Republican Governor 3 days early to put a stop to the ongoing disaster. Yes, politicians, are capable of setting aside partisan politics, and doing the right thing, in times of crisis.
Can the US Congress do as well as the Tennessee Legislature did in 1978?
Probably not….but I hope so.
So I guess a relaunch of NBC’s The Apprentice is out of the question now?
I am hoping that the blowback for yesterday’s seditious behavior will at least make the media moguls think twice about lining up to give DJT a post-presidential bully pulpit on TV….which is something I had been worried about for a while.
It definitely didn’t help the Trump brand.
Maybe he can get a job in professional wrestling….it suits his personality.
Also, being that Congress has an approval rating of maybe 18%, maybe they can learn something from the seige? These people are so self-serving and whining about decorum…meanwhile the economy is deepsixed and a lot of people have lost everything. USG has failed it’s basic duties to voters for generations and it finally came home to roost
Trump is a media phenomenon…Cruz cannot entertain his flock like Trump can. Cruz is a lawyer,a debator not an off-the-cuff entertainer. Lots of folks want to take over the Trumper Wheel. Pence is done, Cruz probably is done, Rand Paul who knows. The traditional Republican party is finished. It was finished in 2016 and then Trump did a hostile takeover
I posted here on a number of occasions that it would cost the Republican Party the Presidency, the Senate and Congress if they continued to enable Trump. Admittedly the Democrats only just squeaked control of the Senate and actually gave up ground in Congress but nonetheless it is game over for the GOP for the next couple of years at least. In particular, McConnell and Graham have a lot to answer for and no amount of nose holding on their part now can disguise the fact that they failed to adhere to the principles of the Republican Party.
Before you all indulge in your outrage fantasies any further consider the repercussions that further censuring of the President will cause. Which do you think is the more likely scenario:
That congressional action to oust the president will be the lesson that finally gets all those ~80 Million uneducated rubes that voted for the President in 2020 to see the light and realize how much better off they will be with Biden.
Ousting the President 3 weeks before the inauguration will be seen as the final humiliation of their side by the Deep State and foment even more frustration and anger against a government they feel not only doesn’t represent them but is corrupt and actively works against them.
Ousting Trump via the 25th amendment would not be by Congress but by his VP and cabinet, his chosen people.
The alternative is to let him slink away and come back to raise hell later.
He’s never, ever, in his entire life, ever been held accountable for anything. Some crimes cry out for punishment regardless of how it might piss some people off.
He needs to be neutered….he needs to be gotten out of politics..and he needs a medical diagnosis, which he will then carry with him as long as he lives.
Anything short of one or both of those is seriously asking for trouble.
But unfortunately, the people who should be handling it don’t have the cojones to do the job.
I don’t think removing him is a good idea. The last thing we need is for Pence to pardon him. I rather endure until he leaves and then prosecute him for all he has done…
That’s my worry about ousting him. Totally gives Pence a chance to Pardon his sorry a$$. But I don’t know a better solution.
You can’t act only when you think it will be popular. A politician sometimes has to do the right thing, and then explain to his constituents why what he did was necessary. See the book “Profiles in Courage” for examples.
A WH official says this AM that Trump still plans to award the Medal of Freedom to 3 golfers today during an 11:30a East Room ceremony.
i’d be shocked if any golfer shows up. the visuals stink
You mean this Trump who promised not to make golf a priority?
Before we drown Trump in the Potomoc, let’s take a couple of days to make absolutely sure that those who broke into the Capital building were in fact Trump supporters. It is likely that after police analysis we will find that many of the leaders were Antifa from various cities around the country and bussed or flown in for just this purpose. We also need to examine the reportedly lax Capital police who let down the barriers and invited the mob in. The Deep State will do anything to discredit the only man willing to stand up against the Red Menace. Unfortunately, he’s not the best man for the job. Is Joe?
Then we can get on with the business of peaceful transition of power and invite Trump to leave the country never to be heard from again.
You mean like those violent ATIFA protesters Josh Hawley said showed up at his house the other night and threatened his wife and newborn with violence.
Video shows a peaceful protest and that Hawley like most Trumpists love the hyperbole of Trump.
Hang it up. Trump had this date circled on his calendar.
I see you are easily led.
Of course unscrupulous/unprincipled people take adavantage of chaos.
That’s why inciting chaos is so irresponsible.
Do you prefer the grape or strawberry flavored Kool Ade?
Antifas ?? I don t think so , they would ve burnt that motherfukka (the Capitol) down just like destructive BLM s burning cars and businesses, looting etc …NOPE, these people were merely a bunch of pacific protestors …and some of them got killed…; THAT is the big DISGRACE within this fckn so called ‘democratic’ context ! DISGUSTING !
Some of those Trumpites have been photographed a lot at various Trump rallies in other states…..like the guy in the bison outfit…..I’ve been told his name is Jake Angiel.
Do you think the guy with his boots on Pelosi’s desk is Antifa?
His name is Richard Barnett….he’s known Trumpite from Arkanas.
You’re trying to dissemble…..but that dog just won’t hunt.
You mean Antifa like Josh Hawley himself, raising his fist in support?
No. More like “Insurgence USA” founder John Sullivan.
are for real ???
typo .. are you for real… What happened was Trump was walking his parade of followers down to hurt/kill everyone whom would not believe in him/stand by him and work for him… He Made US Un-United … That is a Shame .. We All Have Differences That How We Understand Each Other .. Have You Ever Heard The Saying I Understand Your Feelings …. Can You Understand Mine (please do not hate me or kill me for mine) We can agree that we do not agree ✌
The irony is Trump’s ego in the White House basically destroyed the Trump brand in the business world yesterday. It will be interesting to watch him suffer the long-term effects of this as he returns to civilian life. We already know he has hefty loan payments coming up, and we will soon see how limited his solutions to cover this debt are as he is clearly toxic.
Yes and the republicans should be the ones to do it
Is America Great Again? Is this what American greatness looks like?
The future dissection of Donald Trump’s presidency will be blessed as the insiders won’t have to fear Trump’s rage as they come out to tell us the stories of the dysfunction. The Trump brand is forever damaged after yesterday.
DON T WORRY ! Your worn out, dyed- in- the- wool, corrupt ‘new’ potus, deep state puppet will make America even greater ! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I doubt there will be a difference considering in four short years Trump signed into law as much debt as Obama signed in 8 years, continued to push more gun control and got more through than Obama, and of course you can’t leave out Trump failed to lead Republicans to repeal Obamacare let alone drain the “deep state” swamp.
Perhaps it is because Trump is owned by those who have lent him billions like the Rothchild Bank and George Soros.
Trump’s MAGA is a dog whistle for Make America WHITE Again.
Chris Christie calls Trump out. Doesn’t mince words
When Trump defeated the spiteful Clinton bitch in 2016 albeit with a narrow margin, the blue sore losers, the Deep State Neo con lords and their fckn CNN outlet, never ever really managed to accept and digest their defeat and subsequently decided to boycot Trump’s presidency during 4 fckn years ! Now, the ‘deplorables’ as Billary condescendingly called them, don t accept the, most likely fraudulent, election outcome …..SO TELL ME what the fck is wrong with that ? If the fckn Capitol really is the symbol of fckn american democracy, WHY would it be it a fckn ‘sacred’ and elitarian place deplorables should be excluded from?…. Or is so called democracy becoming more and more of a symbolic comforter to sooth the masses in order to allow the privileged establishment to get away with their enviable and limitless privileged existence?
Did you skip your meds again?
It’s a real shame there will be no further Trump porn videos like the one of him giving Feinstein an orgasm.
It’s puzzling why the “bitter clingers” you describe still cling to Donald “take the guns” Trump.
No, no, it’s his landslide that is “sacred”.
running out of arguments ?
No, but arguing with a dolt is not how I want to spend my day.
‘a dolt’ …that s a new word for me…thank you !…pffff… english …endless vocabulary ! That being said, deep inside of your braincell you DO know I am not a ‘dolt’, don t you? I know you won t admit it, we all stick with our ‘sacred’ principles, don t we ?
What you said is too straightforward for those looking for argument :/ .
The Trump presidency is a study in how a deranged individual can be elevated to high office……based primarily on his celebrity…..and some carefully calculated bombast fed to him by social media experts.
And then…….how it can turn into a cult of personality…..as a bevy of rank political opportunists try to use the popularity of a crazy man for their own ends.
It exposed a vulnerability in our system that nobody ever thought about…or at least ever considered likely to happen in the real world.
Interestingly, the idea has been explored in fiction……Stephen King wrote a character just like Trump into The Stand….the similarities to Trump are eerily similar.
I expect that Trump will be allowed to get away with this serious crime…..just like he’s skated on his crimes for his entire tenure as President…and indeed, throughout his whole career.
Nobody who really followed Trump’s career for his adult life and payed attention to what he’s actually done…as opposed to what he says…..ever thought this would end well.
I doubt we can put this back in the box…..that’s the scary thing…..
And Matt Gaetz is still spewing the same lies on the House floor. And once again we’ll all just sit back and let him do it because “eh, it’s just talk. What could go wrong?”
We can’t change the criteria for becoming President without altering the constititon but the political parties can add requirements to vet candidates and states can do likewise.
Political parties are private organizations and they don’t have to allow anyone into their organization, so there is that…
Matt Gaetz… That’s part of the problem. Trump purged some of the very best conservatives in the House in hopes of creating a party of sheep that bow down to Trump. Gaetz comes to mind as well as the moron with the eyepatch.
I agree.
Trump is too incompetent to actually have a successful takeover. But someone else is taking notes and won’t be.
I hope the Democrats can legally close a lot of the holes in the US Government that relied on norms, tradition and decent behavior.
yeeeah… Everythin’ gonna be hunky dory again, like when the black warmonging Messiah was in charge …
The major political Parties consolidating power (which inevitably led to its abuse) is what created the vacuum for Trump to exploit.
I think the calls for them to further consolidate power is a classic example of learning the wrong lesson.
“We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it and stop there lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove lid again and that is well but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.”
― Mark Twain
Democracy is based on elections. If you have a large portion of poorly educated electorate that is not capable of exercising critical thought, you cannot easily fix that. The only solution is ensuring that you can maintain an educated majority in the country, and work on the problems.
Sad state of affairs when Facebook and Twitter are acting more responsibly than senior members of the Trump administration.
Profiles in courage??
“All I can say is count me out,” said Graham, who earlier in the day praised President-elect Joe Biden’s statement on the violence. “Enough is enough. I’ve tried to be helpful.”
And Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), another solid Trump supporter, said from the floor that “the vote today is literally to overturn elections,” and called it “the opposite of what states’ rights Republicans have always advocated for.”
two arsonists who now want to pretend they are helping to put out the fire
As someone who once supported Rand Paul, I watched his social media feed present lie after lie to prop up Donald Trump including lies of Trump ending the endless wars that could easily be proven wrong. Paul is Ted Cruz light. He sacrificed his principles for a shot at 2024. I will not be sending another dollar to Senator Paul.
Graham has spent nearly 5 years sticking his finger in the wind to decide what his next word would be.
He makes a great weather vain but a terrible leader.
Paul calls it as he sees it. The people who attacked Trump often had bad reasons for doing so, or poor solutions to the valid problems. Paul called that out.
The optics are bad for him and now he’ll suffer for that. Logic doesn’t prevail in the Game of Thrones so I guess no sympathy for him, since he’s a voluntary player.
If he is not removed, then he has exposed the weakess of democratic government.
His storm troopers walk away free and energized.
His toadies in government are supported by half the electorate.
Half the troops and cops at the Capitol who surrounded the Proud Boys voted for Trump.
Why was the FBI not on top of this?
The restrictions on voting will intensify, led by people like Ted Cruz.
At some point Trump, Guiliani et alia must be jailed for sedition, and not for lesser crimes.
Well, at least his ‘storm troopers’ didn’t burn down anything , nor did they loot shops and businesses like Antifas and BLM would ve done !
He should resign, but if he doesn’t, there are 2 ways to get him out, neither practical.
The 25th amendment gives Trump an appeal. If he appeals, it takes a 2/3 vote from both houses of Congress to oust him.
Impeachment also requires both houses of Congress to convene and takes 2/3 from the Senate.
I don’t know the ideal way through this, but I’m not sure Congress spending the next week entirely on ousting him is it. What does it prevent? The pardons are coming the moment he realizes he’s on the way out. Does anybody really think he’d nuke somebody, or that an order to do so would be obeyed?
Mostly it’d just mess up all the pre-printed Inauguration invites and t-shirts that say Biden 46.
The 25th is clearly too slow. Impeachment could be done in a couple days, unless Republicans obstructed it. I suppose some might, though that’s hard to believe.
Yes, if they’re going to do this, impeachment is a better option than 25th. Cut straight to the chase.
I personally question the need, but I understand why people want it.
Minor technical differences between them:
Impeachment: Pence becomes 46, Biden then 47. Only requires 50% of House. Still requires 67% of Senate. To do this hastily, both Houses would need to suspend their normal rules (such as 3 days to review anything they vote on).
25th: Trump remains a President, just without authority, Pence has the authority but is still the VP. Trump may appeal to Congress. During appeal, Trump regains authority. Need 67% of both House and Senate to strip him of Presidential powers. No more Trump appeal after that, he’d be done — a President for a few more days, with no authority to act as President. Pence would remain VP but act with Presidential authority during the interim.
But Pence would be acting president under 25 until congress votes. They can literally run out the clock without having to vote.
The problem is that Pence doesn’t have the huevos to pull it off.
That’s not true — read the 25th, part 4.
If Trump appeals it, he regains his authority until Congress votes.
Ok, what am I missing?
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office
The VP and cabinet has 4 days to reassert, and the VP remains Pres until Congress can vote on it within 21 days.
First, the VP doesn’t become or remain Pres. Where do you see that? He “immediately assumes the powers as acting President.” The President still remains such, in name.
Next, if the President appeals, he resumes the powers and duties of his office. Unless and until 2/3 of each house of Congress agrees with the VP/cabinet. Congress has up to 21 days to decide that (they could do it faster).
In all that time, the VP is never President (even with the 2/3 vote from Congress), which may seem a subtlety, but it would mean Pence is never #46, never the President, just an Acting President while Trump was a powerless President.
Mulvaney just resigned. He thinks Trump has deterioriated over the past eight months. No he hasn’t. What’s changed is nobody is able to restrain little Anthony Fremont anymore.
Same Trump they elected four years ago… Sad what it takes for some to see it.
They were complicit and enabled Trump for years, and now that the usefulness is at an end, they will suddenly be morally outraged and wash their hands.
That was such a great TZ episode. Nice parallel.
What has changed is that Trump is now clearly a political liability. The GOP realized they would like his supporters to be supporting GOP and not Trump only.
If you’re marching at the front of an armed mob, the closest target is you.
The delusion of the mob is clear in their lack of realization that the Pence, Cruz, Hawley and others were just playing them, and just as they said, they would abandon their bogus claims as soon as they played out their pantomime.
Is this the demographic that Pence, Cruz and Hawley see as their long-term political future? They might start to notice that both Cruz and Hawley sent out fund-raising pleas during the insurrection and were hiding under their desks, also. They didn’t rise, throw open the doors to the chamber, and say “Have your way!”
As for the Trumps, Daddy blew the kids social capital, and ultimately will undercut the future of that wing of the party–after all, there can be no other claimant to the throne when Trump is alive. “sacred landslide”, indeed!
He needs to go right away, but his party knows that that would be a final blow, splitting the party forever. So it won’t happen, even at the risk of further damage.
S H A M E on the god damn’ triggerhappy MOTHERFOCKER, pulling his gun on a unarmed woman, shooting her right into the chest! Must ve been one of them plain clothes guardians of the self declared righteous, conniving, corrupt ‘elite’ in the fckn stronghold of rigged american democracy , like I said ; a D I S G R A C E !!!
Grow up foreign snowflake.
You play with the bull, you get the horn.
In America, it is clear what can happen if you go after a cop.
Save your tears for others.
And she was shot in the neck, if it makes you feel better.
oh she was shot in the neck??? My sincere aplogies then !
You need to wake up with statement like this “Is this the demographic that Pence, Cruz and Hawley see as their long-term political future?”
Catering to poorly educated population is a very valid election strategy. In fact it is much more difficult to maintain an education level for 300MLN folks that to not maintain it. One would say physics and statistics is in favor of demagoguery.
Poorly educated is different than delusional sedition.
If the category “delusional seditionist” is a winning demographic, I’d be surprised.
Because to me, if a 1/3 of Republicans think the election was stolen, that 1/3 doesn’t get close to winning and is repellent to the remainder.
Poor education has high correlation to being susceptible to demagoguery and mis-information. Under the pretense that “we’re under attack” it’s been shown historically that you can effectively mobilize mis-informed folks en-masse, including genocide etc.
One of the most shocking aspects of Trump presidency for me personally has been that a large percentage of population didn’t seem to utilize more-or-less neutral informational media sources such as CNN, PBS etc…and those sources have been available throughout. The Ukraine transcript is widely available for anyone to read, and it so far from being “perfect”.
In general whenever a source says “only trust me, and not others” or “this news is ONLY AVAILABLE HERE” , it should be an immediate red flag to anyone with an healthy ounce of critical thought.
People like to think that. Actually, more scientific studies have shown that the intelligentsia are most prone to be influenced by propaganda. Least likely is your ignorant farmer.
The fact that you rate CNN are neutral is somewhat shocking.
Scientific studies have shown the opposite. That’s why dictators try to wipe out / sideline the intelligentsia when consolidating power.
Regarding CNN as neutral. One has to distinguish between the news part an the opinion part. Those are different pieces of any news organization. I think the opinion section of Fox (Hannity, Carlson) has steered so far into conspiracy and us-vs-them, than almost any normal news organization will be slightly “left” just to defend itself against Fox (& Friends).
Mitt Romney, who made his fortune overleveraging companies in LBO takeovers, selling off assets and throwing working class people out of work speaking down to the very class of people he parasitized. Priceless.
Anyone know what Trump’s evangelical leader base has said/done since yesterday’s Save America event/riot?
Today, we started to see the spineless Republicans who for four years let Trump get away with the behavior that led to the riots begin to distant themselves from Trump. They began to condemn him with a few exceptions like Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley who will fight for the votes of the trash that stormed the Capitol in three short years. It’s going to be hard to forget those who constantly built up the fake narrative of Donald Trump like Rand Paul who continued to push the lies that Trump got us out of endless wars among others. They enabled this man and called him friend.
The GOP would be best to move on today. I would start by kicking the entire Trump family out of the GOP.
I am curious of when many of our Trump cultist friends like my mother will distance themselves from Trump when they figure out he isn’t this great Christian man they have painted him to be.
Well if people haven’t figured out that he wasn’t a great Christian man after the Stormy Daniels story, there is no real hope.
No one believed he was a Christian man. They did believe that Pence was a Christian, and that therefore, there was a Christian influence in the White House.
The American People elected him after the pussygrabber tape, and the “Russia, if you’re listening” invitation to hack the 2016 election. That told us way more than enough.
In a predictable response, the MAGA cult is claiming what we saw yesterday was staged, fake news and the violence was committed by ANTIFA without any proof to back up their claims. Fox News reports the first woman shot by law enforcement was in fact a 14 year veteran of the Air Force and a strong Trump supporter. She was not ANTIFA.
Trump and his supporters have never been conservative. They are more like the libtards they hate, never taking responsibility for the actions of Trump and constantly playing the victim card. This is the Trump legacy for me.
The Constitution and our freedom is worth giving out lives for. Donald Trump is not. This woman should be alive today celebrating life with her husband. Instead she is dead thanks to the lies and actions of Donald Trump and her own lack of judgment. Self responsibility use to be a conservative value.
He needs to be gone now….but Congress doesn’t have what it takes to do it.
We need to reform a system that lets this happen in the first place.
Let’s repeat this. Twitter and Facebook determined that Donald Trump was not fit for social media and yet Trump is still deemed fit to lead the U.S. government. Trump needs to be removed now
There are a whole bunch of Republican’s today pretending they helped pull out the fire when they were among the arsonists lighting the fire
It’s not easy to remove a president, and the angry mob of Trump supporters is still out there, physically and electorally.
Containing further damage from Trump should be easy. He is a coward and always needs protection and enablement by others. Lots of litigation is waiting for him past Jan 20th.
That parallel you drew is apt and awfully painful to process. Sigh.
Whats on parlor these days
Lots of crickets
Like dealing with your kids. If you let a behavior slide its going to reinforce their belief they can do it again.
I guess the 25th amendment stuff scared him, he backed down.
#defundthepolice had a really bad day.
True and if you do some investigating there is the Donald Trump, always dependent on other peoples money (because he clearly doesn’t have what he claims), that in the height of one of the worst financial crisis in New York City demanded the city give him major tax credits during his restoration of the Commodore Hotel. Soon after NYC was laying off police officers and many of them weren’t paid what they were owed because NYC was so broke.
we need impeachment and removal by Congress This is once again Congress abdicating its responsibility.
Reporting has it that Pence is done with Trump and visibly angry at his conduct. Thee was no one more loyal to Trump than Mike Pence but that’s over now. He was seen as visibly angry at Trump’s conduct yesterday at the Senate.
President Donald Trump banned Vice President Mike Pence’s chief of staff, Marc Short, from entering the White House after Pence refused to overturn the results of the election, according to a person close to Pence.
Short, who had once served as Trump’s head of legislative affairs, had been advising Pence on the procedure for overseeing the counting of Electoral College votes. Trump had pressured Pence in recent days to reject the election results, which Pence said he didn’t have the ability to do under the Constitution.
YAP yap yap, FAKE INDIGNATION, lies lies…. HURRAY ! These are actually GREAT times for CNN and other corrupt and biased media, giving an extra dimension to the four years anti Trump narrative ! The only time CNN actually applauded Trump was when Deep State had armtwisted him into (reluctantly) missiling Syria when The Jews, SA and US supported Al Nusra(ex Al Qaeda) were losing out on their dirty games there. YES The deplorables stormed the Bastille…rrmm….The Capitol rather, corrupt stronghold of FAKE, rigged and desultory democracy, not even with sticks and pick forks but flags and banners, yet 4 were killed by trigger happy bastards probably pulling a gun for the first time in their fckn life….but that’s what democracy is all about innit…Even the corrupt to the bone pathological Liar, Bush jr of all people, felt the need to comment on the ‘biggest disgrace’ ever… Well, this was probably the very last convulsion of a very”entertaining” Trump era…..Believe me though, life gonna be boring with a worn out, dyed-in-the-wool, deep state puppet for president…. Or will a little war here and there, some regime change in places that are none of your business keep CNN happily busy ?
The idea Trump is some kind of small government, Constitutional hero just makes me laugh. After all, Trump managed to show us Dianne Feinstein still gets wet in the panties. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdxRGZj558E
Did CNN pee in your Wheaties or something? Serious question.
Trump was unfit for office four years ago. Absurd that anyone thought He was a better option that Hillary Clinton. What Trump did yesterday encouraging a coup d’etat by organized mob and by encouraging members of the legislature to disregard the constitution was unconscionable.
Well I was so turned off in 2016 that I didn’t vote. And I also didn’t think that Trump would win. Although I’m in CA so my vote on presidential level doesn’t really matter, just like in NY, as fellow Californians vote Dem anyway. Down ballot also rarely a big concern – electorate in my Nothern CA district is highly educated and aware. No room for demagoguery.
Trump was not a good option in 2016. Neither was Hillary.
Trump did not start WW3 which was my greatest hope. Hillary was a worse bet on that score.
Why is it that the greatest democracy on earth keeps pushing people like Bush, Hillary and the Trump on the voters? Can’t the US produce any leaders with any sense or superficial knowledge of the world around them? Now there is an old guy with dementia to “lead the free world” in a one party state. If the caliber of the political culture is any gauge, America a has been.
Gary Johnson ’16, baby. Still proud of that vote.
Trumpism is dead, Let’s move on!…
Saw some people write today that a friend/family member disavowed Trump after watching what happened in the Capitol. One of them theorized that while people are happy trash talking online, they’re not actually willing to die for this nonsense.
Let’s hope that’s right. The whole Q movement is bat-guano crazy and no good will come from it.
Trump will be gone, but the craziness that enabled him is still among us. We now have Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley
Trumpism is not dead. It is enabled by ignorance which is not so easy to get rid of.
Trump was not the cause of Trumpism but an intersection of social-economic forces propelled Trump temporarily. The forces themselves are still at work and will intersect with other forces in unpredictable way.
That we can both agree on. I’m specifically hoping for more socialism (of the right kind) in the areas of safety nets for moms, child care, schools etc. What happens to people after they are 18 y.o. I’m less concerned. Once you’re past 18 y.o. you should be able to earn so you can dress and feed yourself at a minimum.
Four dead after Trumpism supporters ransack Congress!!!…
There is only one win – win solution,
Invoke The 25th Amendment Today!
The 25th Amendment is far too slow. If they invoke it today, the will have to have Trump analyzed, and have hearings regarding his competence. I can’t imagine it would all be done before the 20th, so trying to use the 25th is the same as doing nothing.
No. Enacting 25 gives the office to Pence immediately. Trump can object and Pence then has 4 days to reassert and send it to congress. Congress then has 27 days to evaluate and vote. It completely runs out the clock.
That said, I think Pence is a gifted speaker and politician, but I don’t think he has the huevos to go through with it.
Ha, ha. We’ll find out who is in charge be whether anything like the 25th or impeachment or criminal trials come to Trump.
If they do, then the media is calling the shots. Trump is their gravy train.
If they don’t, then the DC people are calling the shots. The last thing they want is to shine a spotlight on Trump and give him a platform.
I’m betting on the DC people.
If Trumpism had real teeth to it whomever you refer to as calling the shots could have stole the election themselves!!..Trumpism is Dead and Trump is GOAT loser a fake POTUS and you are a loser as well!
Well said article Mish you are always on point!.. Do you ever sleep?
Thanks for your work!..
I don’t favor using the 25th Amendment. It would be difficult to show that he is insane. I do favor impeaching him. To this point impeachment has always been used for partisan reasons, without merit, but this is exactly the kind of event that the impeachment process is designed to be used for. There is no reason they can’t draft and vote on articles of impeachment tomorrow, and try him in the Senate yet this week. I can’t believe anyone from either party would vote against impeaching him, or vote against convicting him, and anyone that did is unfit for office, and should be voted out at the earliest opportunity.
I’m guessing, because I have no way to really know, but my guess is that the cabinet already threatened Trump with the 25th…and that’s why he made the statement about allowing a peaceful transition.
It’s obvious he didn’t get there out of any concern for the country.
But I think it’s a mistake they’re making……to settle for that little mea culpa…..because we need to have this situation permanently defused by a legal censure that keeps him out of politics..
Failure to cut Trump off at the knees immediately is just asking for more trouble….maybe not right now…or anything in the next few weeks. But he can make trouble anytime he feels like it…as long as he has his rallies and his redneck constituency to tweet to every night while he snorts his adderall and sits on his gold-plated toilet.
He needs a legal whipping that sticks…and a medical diagnosis that he will have forever after.
No need for impeachment, they just need to contain him for a short period. Trump is a coward – it should be easy to shut him up by outlining various legal consequences that await him after Jan 20th. The only reason he was ranting so bravely is because Reps enabled him.
Yes, there is a reason for impeachment: To show that the Constitution works. I can’t see how anyone can disagree that Trump committed an impeachable offense. Isn’t it ironic that we have 3 impeachments in US History, all of them partisan, all of them resulting in acquittal, yet when we have a clear case that everyone on both sides can see, people want to sweep it under the rug on the grounds that “there are only 14 days left”?
If a President commits an impeachable offense, he should be accountable. The only thing that I can imagine holding back an impeachment is Republicans afraid to stand up and be counted. They fear, perhaps, that standing up and doing the right thing will hurt them with hard-core Trump fans. They need some backbone, and they need to be prepared to go to their constituents and say “You elected me to do the right things. I did the right thing, and in the future I will continue to stand up for the right things.”
There is also a strong residual in getting GOP on record defending the president fomenting a coup. That might not play so great in upcoming elections.
If the Republicans vote for impeachment and for conviction, then the Republican Party is taking a stand against formenting a coup. I think that plays well in future elections. If they refuse to impeach, then the Republican Party is taking a stand that formenting a coup is not really a big deal.
I’ve had a change of heart. Yes – impeach now and force R to take a stand now while it’s hot.
Ya’ll need to chill. When someone breaks a bone, it will take time to heal. Same with politics. You can’t put a quick patch over it (e.g. impeachment) and call it done.
Trump is only a symptom of a larger problem. The larger problem is that a large portion of electorate is highly susceptible to demagoguery and completely impervious to fact based discussion. The Dem’s aren’t going to suddenly take over various red states, as the susceptible electorate is still there.
You absolutely need existing republican leadership to implement changes if they want the party to be different. I’m sure the GOP does not want Trump 1.0 or Trump-like 2.0 or Trump-like 3.0 supporters lynching them at their homes now or any time in the future. Allow some time for this process to play out.
Impeachment and burning GOP at the stake isn’t what’s needed right now. You need cooperation and discussion with GOP leaders, yes even Trump enablers. There is a reason why GOP leaders are in power – it’s because the people have elected them. You can’t ignore that fact.
I like what Romney said, couldn’t have said it better. People need to be told the truth. GOP has to square that out one way or another.
Holding Trump enablers accountable using a longer term political process – YES, YES, YES. Forcing an emotional vote on impeachment in the short term with only 2 weeks left in the presidency – NO.
Respectfully disagree. This has been building for 2 months, after a year of chaos. Enough.
Enact 25 and impeach simultaneously & be done with it.
There are valid arguments both ways. On the one hand what Trump has done is clearly impeachable, and if you don’t do it, there are negative consequences. Impeaching also would force Republicans to take a stand, and, hopefully allow the GOP to distance themselves from right wing extremism. On the other hand, GOP folks are elected officials, not some random people off the street, and you need their support to make progress on a number of important issues, Covid, climate change, education etc… And if you alienate the GOP , they are simply not going to be in a good position politically to cooperate on various issues.
I’ve been saying here for a while now that Trump is an Enemy of American Democracy. It’s not really deniable at this point.
To all of those who said it was ok to humor Trump for a little while as he tried to overturn the results of the election, this is what you get.
They did go scott free, with the free shit they stole from target and elsewhere.
At most only a handful of Republicans escape blame for the events of today. They appeased Trump and his MAGA crowd for four years. It is far to late for any come to Jesus moment.
And just wondering.. think if the Floyd protesters this summer had stormed the capitol the would have been allowed to waltz in, trash the place and then go home scott free? Why were there armed battle ready guard around every location then but not today?
I hope you’re right about Trump 2024, Mish. We don’t need another Teddy Roosevelt with how volatile things are going to be for the foreseeable future.
25th Amendment? No. We need the .38th Amendment.
Keep your voice down on the comm channel, please.
WE HAVE BEEN WARNED “Heard Josh Hawley’s speech and got deep cold chills. If he cannot be stopped now, I believe he could be the Trump successor we fear. I’m certainly not the first to say that, but that man is very dangerous.”
Where’s the quote from?