I was wondering when the X discussion would bite. It already has and it will likely cost Trump votes.
UAW Files Federal Labor Charges Against Trump, Musk
The Wall Street Journal reports UAW Files Federal Labor Charges Against Trump, Musk for Threatening Workers
The UAW, one of the country’s largest unions, filed charges of unfair labor practices Tuesday, alleging that both men threatened workers who participate in protected labor activity, such as strikes.
Trump made the remarks Monday night in a conversation with Musk that was broadcast on X.
“I mean, I look at what you do,” Trump said during his conversation with Musk. “You walk in, you say, you want to quit? They go on strike, I won’t mention the name of the company, but they go on strike and you say, That’s OK, you’re all gone. You’re all gone. So, every one of you is gone.”
“When we say Trump stands against everything our union stands for, this is what we mean,” said UAW President Shawn Fain.
The UAW endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign last month.
Musk has previously disagreed with the idea of unions. Speaking at a conference last year, Musk said unions “try to create negativity in a company, and create a sort of lords and peasants situation.”
“If Tesla gets unionized, it will be because we deserved it and we failed in some way,” Musk said. “But we certainly try hard to ensure the prosperity of everyone.”
Musk’s Comment on X
“The last two UAW presidents went to prison for bribery & corruption and, based on recent news, it looks like this guy will join them!“
I can all but guarantee that comment will cost Trump votes.
I agree with Musk on this: “If Tesla gets unionized, it will be because we failed in some way.”
But today’s comment about UAW bribery was an unforced error.
I think the lawsuit is silly. But silly or not, Shawn Fain’s comment will bite.
Discussions From Last Night
I found the conversation last night to be very boring. Trump did little but brag about how amazing he is so I turned it off.
My Tweet unleashed a torrent of negative comments but some support.
Let’s start with someone who agreed.
Boring Discussion
TDS Yet Again
The Cult
Demand for Loyalty
Stop the Playground Name Calling
Something I Agreed With
No Heroes Last Night
The Vision
I did not listen to the whole thing, but based on what I did hear, that reply sums it up.
The Rah Rah Side
Mario Nawfal provided a string of 7 Tweets moaning about media coverage but ending with the above.
He can now add the WSJ.
Replay Here
Agree with this viewpoint: “For anyone who didn’t get to listen last night. Elon and Trump on repeat. Our legacy corporate media should listen so they can quit misquoting or taking out of context what was said.”
Sensible People Enthralled?
Get a Grip
The only people “enthralled” with the discussion were those who were going to vote for Trump anyway.
Everyone else heard Trump brag about how great he is with Musk as the front man.
I missed the union exchange. It will cost Trump votes.
The Challenge
Harris would be wise to accept. She would get a million views too.
Conclusion
For those of you who are enthralled (or want to be enthralled), please listen to all two hours and tell me why we should be enthralled given the negative UAW feedback already.
It does not matter if the lawsuit is unfounded. What matters is whether or not the Twitter Space will cost votes or not.
Fortunately, UAW’s Shaw Fain does not represent the views of all the union voters, but some will be swayed by his message.
Trump Fires Arrows Missing the Target Badly
Meanwhile, I repeat “It’s the economy, stupid.”
The question of the day remains: Trump Fires Arrows Missing the Target Badly, Will a Recession Save Him?
Trump is a known quantity by now even to “undecided voters” so when you say it will cost votes, you appraise the candidates and the economic situation as if we were in normal economic times and we had two equal choices with regard to economic/political agendas but nothing could be further from the truth.
We are not in normal economic times (we are in recessionary times) and the economic and political agendas could not be more diametrically opposed and further apart with regard to Ukraine, border and immigration policies, economic policies etc., etc.
The people managing Kamala are trying to pull a Biden 2020 by muzzling her and only allowing highly scripted speeches and no unscripted interviews. People are not stupid and they are more politically attuned (awake) as to how the last four years have abused the American pocketbook and quality of life. They also have four years of experience under the previous Trump administration to know and contrast with their present economic situation under the Biden administration.
This is not a hard choice even for an “undecided voter”.
The only reason Trump gets so much interest is because his enemies try so hard to ban him and stop him… it’s bizarre really, the best way to beat Trump is to shut up and let him talk… and talk… and talk… and eventually, people will get tired of it.
It doesn’t help much that the quality of candidates that line up against Trump is so low… if anyone could conjure up a half-decent candidate, it might be a different story, but the bread-and-circuses game of politics-and-media has destroyed politics.
I fail to see the relevance of this article beyond the thought a cryptic statement is the basis of a lawsuit…and will therefore cost Trump votes.
I read the article hoping to see an explanation regarding the basis of the lawsuit. How was the UAW harmed by this “discussion” ?
Clearly, the law has been weaponized and the very fact one has to defend themselves with time, energy, and money from vague lawsuits where there has been no direct harm is proof of that. A counter suit would definitely be appropriate
I agree… I fail to see how anything in this discourse has any effect on anything, most people are simply not interested in what either or any of the sides has to say, they’ve either already made their minds up, or just want the whole thing to be over.
You say you were bored by it, but man you sure got your mileage out of it huh Mike? When it comes to Trump, you always have come up with as toxic a hot take as you think you can get away with.
Here’s a little secret for you Mike:
The leadership of many unions is outright communist, and or looking to enrich themselves at their member’s expense. But the Members themselves tend to be much more centrist or right leaning than you think. But they don’t tally the votes, and they they still have corporatism to deal with. Always the rock and hard place choices.
You were ‘bored” and stopped listening but still have the stones to comment as if you listened to the whole thing.
A lot of people, even the Trump haters listened to every minute. And it didn’t cost Trump a penny. And he got you to post this article. You couldn’t resist.
They really didn’t. I dipped in, but it was just podcast wallpaper really (most are).
Mish, you keep wishing Trump would talk about policy. He can’t do it. It’s not happening. Because he refused to study policy. His understanding is a cm deep. You know it. Does he strike you as someone who will study a position paper on immigration policy? No. That’s why he screams “Build the wall!”.
People who have worked closely with him make it clear. He will NOT study policy. So he can’t really talk about it. If he tries that against Kamala during the debate, he will get sliced and diced.
Immigration policy is supposed to be set by Congress and then approved by the President. Biden even mentioned that on several occasions that Congress needed to propose legislature for him to sign regarding immigration.
So it doesn’t matter what policy Trump reads or doesn’t read regarding immigration because it’s going to ultimately be up to Congress. All he can do is give his suggestions (which he did when he said he’d offer green cards and path to citizenship to all foreign students under the guise that we need to import the best and brightest immigrants). Building the wall is one thing the president can do as part of enforcing the borders on illegals (which is not immigration).
The problem isn’t Trump, it’s the media; we all know that the moment any depth appears in public discourse, the media will be tearing at it like hyenas, and the opposition parties will be either stealing and claiming bits of it or tearing at it too: Trump knows this.
Please, Kamala went to Howard U.
Nobody cares about Legacy Auto & all their widely overpaid employees anymore.
The cost of labour in 2035: $1.00/hr, according to Tony Seba of ReThinkX.
The #1 guy making Tony Seba’s predictions come true: Elon Musk
“The cost of labour in 2035: $1.00/hr,….”
Not an uncommon wage in third world countries, with little to no productive capital available to make labor more efficient.
“The #1 guy making Tony Seba’s predictions come true: Elon Musk”
As if some ghb-drunk sitting around reading scifi mags makes anything come true. What makes $1/hr come true; is lack of better opportunities for workers. Since no capital is available, they’re effectively increasingly forced to carry weight on their backs, that in more developed economies are carried by animals and/or machines.
The only relation to Sir SciFi TrueBeliever, is that the exact actions of “the system” which robs workers of capital required for them to earn more than $1/hr; also being the ones which arbitrarily hands billions obtained from the wholesale burning of said capital, to some rather average scifi believer contributing somewhere around plus minus nothing in return.
IOW: Musk has nothing to do with it. At all. If it wasn’t him, “the system” would have found some other arbitrary Joe to hand the loot to.Then the same illiterates currently deifying Musk, would have done the same to that arbitrary Joe instead. Dumb people simply seem unable not to not just fall for, but indeed to clamor for, dumb stuff. Over and over. To no end,
You have to bear in mind that the cohort of “executives” to choose from in the entire global management class – yes all hundreds of millions of them, is overwhelmingly below average, like a typical power/Pareto distribution.
This country is going down the toilet quickly. No one seems to understand the foundations the country and our national culture was founded on. Trump has the undeniable right to say whatever he wants as we all do. The 1st Amendment is not about protecting speech we agree with, it is about protecting all speech, and the primary component of that, is the speech we do not agree with. If you do not support free speech, and the sovereignty of the individual Citizen, then you are a traitor, straight up.
So far as organized labor goes, it is a poor attempt to rectify a situation that should not exist in the first place.
The US does not have a capitalist system. It has a socialist / fascist system in which Corporations are allowed to buy both Law and Government and use them to enrichen themselves by establishing monopolies and suppressing small business. It uses this power to promote immigration to drive down the value of labor, and to give itself unfair advantage against workers.
Unions are simply another layer of “government”. While they secure marginally better pay and benefits for their members, they also establish another level of corruption that drains the productivity of the company and employees alike. They are usually only viable in industries that are monopolies and the costs of their corruption can be passed on to consumers due to the lack of competition in the marketplace.
In reality, they benefit a few by being a burden on the many.
If our borders were protected, and our immigration laws enforced, then there would be a balance between the supply and demand of labor, and that balance would necessitate paying competitive wages. So long as the supply of labor outpaces the demand for workers, real wages will continue to fall as they have done as they have for the past 40 years, regardless of Unions or anything else.
Monopolistic power brings advantages to the company, just as it bring advantages to the union. Either way, the industry is held back from competing. The result is lack of innovation and higher prices.
“Trump has the undeniable right to say whatever he wants as we all do. The 1st Amendment is not about protecting speech we agree with, it is about protecting all speech, and the primary component of that, is the speech we do not agree with. If you do not support free speech, and the sovereignty of the individual Citizen, then you are a traitor, straight up.”
Yessss!!! Period.
Most of the world is, have you seen what giant stinkbowl is swirling around in China?!
Although I am not a big fan of big unions,as their managements are corrupt, it is difficult to deny autoworkers have the right to strike for better compensation, when a company, like GM, pays Mary Barra $29 million a year. Remind me, how much market share have they lost in the last 40 years? And what is the ratio of her pay to the typical worker?
Not a good interview. Musk is no Tucker and Trump is not good at these more cerebral conversations. His thoughts on nuclear power were fairly ignorant. The UAW stuff is not a big deal. All these unions are corrupt and do nothing but harm American workers and the industry.
Japans PM Kishida announced he will be stepping down from leadership role.
Inflation in Japan not a popular point to run upon as a record.
Inflation not going to be very popular in US either for incumbents.
But keep trying to make it about personalities.
Except that there is no inflation, only deflation, which is many times worse…
Why is deflation bad? Before the Federal Reserve, whenever the country had inflation (wars, economic crisis, etc), it deflated back down. From 1792 until 1913 the dollar was actually stronger by 4-6%.
Inflation seems to benefit the banks at the expense of savers.
The user statistics are out on the Trump Mush interview.
Ages under 24 7% of the total audience
Ages 24 to 34 70%of the total audience
Ages 35 to 44 17% of the total audience
Ages 45 to 54 4% of the total audience
Ages above 54 1% of the audience
Women 46%
Men 54%
Trump pulled in 87 % of the 24 to 44 age group. That is significant especially considering most people here are probably not in that group.
What it tells me is that the younger generation gets it’s news / interviews / entertainment etc from Twitter/TikTok/YouTube/Spotify etc (my teens use these and a couple more like Instagram etc).
What we think of as traditional media (print/TV/radio) is dead once the older generation is gone (anyone 45+). They probably have a decade left before they’ll all be unprofitable.
Trump recognized this in 2016 when he essentially became president on the back of his twitter account.
Those are simply the stats matching the typical user of X. Nothing more.
Exactly. The hundreds of millions who watched it were younger voter tranche and are more often independents than not.
Just because they had it on, doesn’t mean they were listening…
How to Beat the Unions?
1) Life-long learning and advanced skills training.
2) Subsidized training/learning at technical colleges
3) Work-study programs at technical colleges and universities
4) Advanced manufacturing institutes
5) High-school summer intern programs
6) Courses on saving and investing for technical workers
…get rid of managers… most of them are shit anyway, and use underlings as scapegoats to prolong their own mediocre careers.
Hostess went on strike and the company shut down.
Trump’s biggest problem, he has never learned the #1 rule of a good leader:
Never talk about how good you are. Talk about how good THEY are. Only losers brag about themselves.
Example: If Trump wants to fix the border, bring some affected ranchers onto the stage–let them talk. Tell them you understand, and appreciate, and you’ll do your best to fix it. Don’t promise what you can’t fix. Then do the same with border guards etc. What’s more, audience’ trust and retention will skyrocket.
This comment section never ceases to entertain.
Trump shot himself in both feet with his “let’s fire anybody who strikes” opinion. But the guy who came across as even more inept was Musk. After seeing Musk operating at X, no surprise that Tesla is the most accident-prone car currently driving on US roads.
I like where this conversation is going on unions.
Perhaps all unions should be abolished. They don’t fit well with the US concept of Individualism. Let each person succeed or fail based on their education, skills and work ethic.
And at the same time, eliminate those minimum wage laws. Working for 50 cents an hour provides the incentive for many to improve their skill set and education. People need incentives to do better for themselves.
Imagine how much cheaper automobiles (including Tesla’s) would be with wages at 50 cents an hour.
Win-win!
Imagine how bad those cheaper automobiles produced at 50 cents a hour would be in terms of road safety … and Tesla is already the most accident-prone car on the road.
Unions were a product of the mercantilist stage of the industrial revolution, they are largely irrelevant today, but linger on, pretending to help workers, whilst really they just help corrupt socialist politicians raise money from dumb workers.
Unions have a role, protecting workplace rights, safety etc. However, I grew up in a union area and I saw the destruction done by large industrial unions. Giving unions monopoly power through collective bargaining and closed shops is dead wrong and anti-social. Today, NE Ohio and the rust bowl still suffer from that mentality.
I remember the days when we could share your opinion and not get sued.
Or not get arrested by Thierry Breton for criticizing him.
Thems were the Good Ol’e Days.
Exactly the opposite of today. Now “we” are far, far less free; and have far, far fewer individual rights respected by our respective totalitarian terror states; in every single area, than people nominally communist China
Resulting in them also being far wealthier, and living far better, than us as well. With the delta growing faster than 10% every single year. With no indication that will end for as far as eye can see.
It’s just another round of lawfare that will probably end up backfiring as they often do when it comes to Trump. The real risk to Trump is not losing the union vote. It’s who will be counting the votes.
IT won’t be the voters who steal the election. It WILL be the mass media brainwashing the voters.
It does not matter who casts the votes, only who counts them….
They’ll be crying for Trumps protectionist mentality when China starts shipping cars from Mexico. Especially after the raise they just got.
My experience in two companies with unions was that it created toxic work cultures.
The Union’s job seemed to be to convince you that management is the enemy and fight them by figuring out ways to work less efficiently. European unions seem to be more successful. Maybe they do it differently.
Perhaps others are of more generous and pure spirit than me — and bless them for it. The merciful are the best of us.
I don’t mourn the death of monsters. Everybody goes at some point; the legacy they leave behind is what they’ve earned — and this person’s is hideous. I don’t subscribe to the edict that one must genuflect to the dead and whitewash their legacies simply because they are dead.
Just how many lives may have been lost directly due to Wojcicki’s brutal censorship regime — how many people might have gained access to true information regarding the risks of COVID-19 “vaccines,” for example, via YouTube and reconsidered before getting injected — would be nearly impossible to quantify.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-08-13/shall-we-toll-bells-dead-vaxx-totalitarian
My recommendation is to drag her carcass slowly along the streets of a major city .. and invite the vax injured including the children…. to spit on her… then feed what is left of her to the dogs.
A bit extreme; however, publishing the location of certain graves would be helpful to those who wanted to mark their territory.
I will personally make the trip to visit Ms. Pelosi
The UAW is a monopoly on labor. Car companies don’t get a choice which union, or combination of unions they can get labor from.
The name-calling is what won him the primary in 2016. His opponents were defenseless against it. And he didn’t lose in 2020. It was stolen.
Bahahahahaha! Nah, he got his butt beat. Move along.
Election corruption.
Name-calling is what bullies do. It cost Trump votes in 2016. By contrast, Ronald Reagan could ridicule an opponent and get away with it, without calling names.
Name calling is what the left does in an attempt to shut your realist views down
Shawn Fain may or may not be a thief but he is a Marxist. Rank and file will vote Trump.
Nah Bruh, Rich Fat dude that can’t shut his trap long enough to stop from putting his foot in it is pissing off more and more people the more he goes off the rails. All he’s doing is losing people that COULD have voted for him.
The ‘rank and file’ will vote against their own interests? Why?
That is fairly straightforward, rank and file are well aware of which part of the DC crowd has been shipping their jobs out of the country.
America First Trump plans on reshoring Jobs and good paying jobs as he is not a Marxist and wants people to prosper. Rather then using poverty as the means of control.
Trump has stood up to the Globalist in everything he has done and said.
He also has worked quite readily with Union Labor in his projects that redefined the NYC skyline.
Union workers very much are also pro USA as many have served their country.
Trump just needs to show those Union members who retain their adversity mindset against C Suite Globalists and their Wall street friends that he has not sold them out.
Rank and file will be voting their interests, as they should.
Compare Open Borders Harris vs. Build the Wall Trump.
Union worker with concerns if themselves are going to have a job and not have it handed over to an illegal will definitely vote Trump.
so those MILITARY union members need to vote for timmy the command sargent major??
sitting this one out is OK
Did YOU Serve 24 years in the Military?? Nah, didn’t think so. Move along.
technically neither did Sergeant Major Nutty (Walz)
he never got deployed to a war zone or overseas
It was a conversation about numerous topics.
It was not supposed to be the Gettysburg address wrapped up inside State of the Union.
Started off with Trumps view of his recent near Death experience.
Yes he called Harris stupid. Is there someone out there claiming she has the intelligence to Run the United States? Please step up and be counted.
Is he supposed to disregard what his record was when he served as President?
He contrasted what happened to Border when he made policy to where the illegal migrant invasion is at current time.
He stressed the lawlessness that is currently happening throughout America. I am missing something if Crime has not gone up substantially under Biden-Harris.
They both talked about inflation impact upon citizens. Mish does post some articles about that Topic frequently.
Many more topics Energy, International threats such as Nuclear proliferation, dealing with foreign powers, Lawfare,
Trump and Musk talked as two people concerned about the direction of the country.
Trump is not pulling the Hide in the Basement campaign of Harris copycat from Biden.
He is also willing to go out to the Public with his thoughts.
This election remains a contrast of policy initiatives.
In case people after Biden being President have forgotten that the President is not supposed to be a figure head, the President is the head of the Administrative Branch (1/3) the US government. This is the action part of government.
The Congress is supposed to write the Laws and make the Budget for monies to be spent, so that there is not rule by executive order, and the third Branch Judicial being the ones who determine if the other two branches stick to what they are supposed to be doing.
Nah, It’s a loud angry orange Mussolini Wannabee. He’s yelling at the Independent Voters to get off his lawn if they don’t bow down to the chubby dictator in waiting.
Someone’s not thinking, and certainly not critically thinking.
What are Trump’s policy initiatives? Abolishing the Constitution? Punishing women for having abortions? Using law enforcement to go after critical Democrats and Conservatives? Replacing the Fed with bitcoin? Playing golf from 8.00 am to 5.00 pm?
You ask many questions, if you had listened to the conversation, Trump and Musk talked extensively about what their positions are.
Hint, they are not what you are posting.
You can’t possibly expect me to listen for two hours to two major-league narcissists rambling on about how great they are. There are better things in life.
You sound like you’re brain-washed. I feel sorry for you.
However, you can get over it. Start with an open mind. Take your issues one at a time. Descartes said, “I think, therefore I am,” However, it comes with critical provisos. Research with respect to those conditions. Validate your sources. Look for assumptions. inherent irrationality, and LIES. Both sides lie in great abundance.
With Joe Biden out of the way, Trump’s problem is that he now looks like the demented old fart in the race. How can he fix that?
Unions are organized crime gangs running protection rackets on two levels – against the workers and against their employers.
Trump wrecked people’s brains and Covid finished them off. No amount of reality can de-program people who have been propagandized to believe Trump will start WWIII and crash the economy, put people in chains and others in camps. People still believe this clap.
These people simply refuse to see that Biden has done more damage than Trump could ever have dreamed of doing. Breathtaking to see how effective the propaganda can be.
I kind of respect it. To pull off this level of bamboozle required incredible levels of corruption and playing to people’s narcissism and inability/fear of admitting they got conned.
Trump can’t make it through a sentence without lying or exaggerating. The majority of the country is simply sick of him flapping his lips and lying about stuff that we can clearly Fact Check.
I’m not defending Trump. It takes no effort to see his problems. The propaganda campaign is highly effective at emphasizing those. It ignores, deflects, excuses and flat out lies about Kamala’s and Biden’s, but that’s the corporate media. It’s now another tool to be used by DNC parasites.
Let me know when a Pres and his admin KEEP PROMISES:
There NO HOME RUNS!
To his credit, and objectively speaking, Trump kept far more of his promises than not only those two, but pretty much every other admin in modern US politics.
Nonsense. Mexico did NOT pay for the Wall. The Wall didn’t get close to finished. No infrastructure bill under the angry orange crybaby. Yeah, Way more things got passed under Biden than Trump.
Trump did alright, but the deep state is a bit*ch.
Trump is the biggest swamp creature that ever resided in the White House. Just look at his pardons record.
I suggest reading the transcript instead.
https://singjupost.com/full-transcript-elon-musk-interviews-donald-trump/?singlepage=1
Mish, Along the lines of your comment “Trump demands loyalty more than he wants to win”, Trump seems more interested in pushing his stupid Truth Social than he wants to win. If he really wants to win, Trump should start using Twitter himself again. There are > 100 mil Americans with a Twitter account (I refuse to call it X). There are fewer than ONE million with a Truth Social account (and they are all Trump fans already). Trump depends on someone else to copy his Truth Social messages and forward them via Twitter or another media source. He’s at the mercy of others – all because he’s hoping Truth Social will grow – which it won’t.
Also, if Musk wants to help Trump, he should return Twitter to how it used to be – where people without accounts can still view current tweets and tweet chains.
I didn’t watch any of it as I knew it was going to turn out exactly as it did (a self admiration circle jerk)
So I had no idea about his union comments and not sure most people did either until the UAW filed this silly suit (likely the whole point to call attention to this exchange).
But I don’t think this costs him any meaningful votes. Union members were already voting Democrat anyway. Non-union people mostly hate unions and so likely are just shrugging their shoulders at the whole exchange as being a big nothing burger. Yeah it doesn’t help him win the election but this is not going to decide it (Kamala making a fool of herself or not in the debates is likely the 2nd biggest thing after the economy that will decide things).
Nope. Everything dumb like this he does costs him more and more votes. It’s foolish and he just can’t help himself because he likes to talk about himself and can’t stay on topic. Independent Voters don’t want to hear silliness from him…and there wasn’t that much of a different in swing states last election. Losing a few 10’s of thousand of votes total could sink his entire campaign.
Perhaps you can rant on cnn’s X page. You will be happier over there. Here, we constructively communicate our views and opinions.
While I do hope Trump wins, not voting for him this time.
Not going to spend any time listening to it as he is completely undisciplined in his speech. Amazing he has to face people who are actually worse than him in a “debate” scenario. Biden who is the walking dead and Kamala who is quite literally a moron
One of these people got it right. He is a promoter
I say he is the white Don King
Silly UAW: frivolous lawsuits are for Trump Attorneys…
that haven’t lost their law license…
yet.
Agreed. This is just a waste of UAW dues and why the rank and file members would approve this is beyond me.
The union bureaucracy is tied to the Democratic Party, and attacks on the Republican Party are generally par for the course. The Teamsters president flirted with the Republicans by speaking at their convention. The bureaucracy is tied to the two-party system, even as the Republican Party leadership under Trump has tried to project itself as the party of working people, while the Democrats plant themselves in identity politics and the meritocratic layers in government, media, academics, etc. The labor bureaucracy refuses to break from the two-party system and build a Labor Party based on the unions and working class organizations generally. Recent organizing drives and victories, and successful strike actions occurred under the resolve and impetus of rank-and-file workers trying to protect themselves against the four-decade long economic crisis that has accelerated since Covid, and not from any sincere desire among “reformist” leadership like Shawn Fain to lead a real fight. AS A UNION MEMBER, I doubt that this has very much (if any) effect on the votes of union rank-and-file members. No love lost from me for Trump and Musk, as for Biden, Harris, etc. A Labor Party is the way forward for working people. If the UAW bureaucracy can’t organize the Tesla plants in Cali with the Democratic Party dominance in the state, with a Demo administration in the White House, with the recent victory at Volkswagen in Chattanooga, then Trump and Musk aren’t the problem.
A Labor Party in the USA, like the one in the UK? No thanks. Your policies would create a worse dumpster fire than we already have. Our problems are fundamental: unsound currency, too much bureaucracy, etc. I don’t see a Labor Party taking those issues on.
”Like the one in the UK?”
No, a real labor party, not one that’s been taken over by “human rights lawyers” who want to arrest people for political speech, or antisemitic “leftists” who want to call Hamas “heroes”.
This is a really bizarre take.
Trump is only unique in that he is the first person who ever thought the best way to win a football game is to select the right referee.
My message to Trump is to stop trying to win over those of us who are already voting for you. You need to appeal to people who are looking for a good enough reason to not vote for Kamala – those who can’t see what a threat the democrats are to the future of this country. Make them see it. Don’t just repeat ‘Kamala Stupid’ all the time. Most sensible people know this. Insult her indirectly by highlighting what she says and does and supports. Try to spin it all as bad for common people – which is not even a lie.
Hopefully any down votes are from Trump haters and not supporters who think he can do no wrong.
Fain down the drain. Limited shelf life.
He’ll last longer than the Angry Orange Mussolini Wannabee.
Not by spending UAW member’s dues on nonsense like this he won’t.