GOP Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy discusses raising the voting age to 25. Let’s tune in. 
Amazing. Today I learned that at age 25 you automatically learn civics. Otherwise you have to prove it with a test or join the military.
Meanwhile, we have the right to bomb Mexico without their OK, and without declaring war, says Ramaswamy.
Bombing Mexico
Both parties support endless wars and constant US meddling, but Republicans are far more extreme.
To stop the drug trade, NY magazine reported Trump Wanted to Fire Rockets Into Mexico and Pretend Like the U.S. Didn’t Do It.
Politico reports GOP Embraces a New Foreign Policy: Bomb Mexico to Stop Fentanyl.
Using military force on cartels without Mexico’s permission “would not be the preferred option, but we would absolutely be willing to do it,” entrepreneur and conservative activist Vivek Ramaswamy said in an interview.
Ramaswamy Needs a Civics Lesson
“It is our responsibility to preserve the Constitution,” said Ramaswamy in the lead Tweet.
What a hoot.
It might behoove Ramaswamy to learn civics himself. It is an act of war to send troops to another country.
Constitutionally, Congress, not the president gets to declare war. Article I, Section 8, Clause 11: [The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To declare War,
Bombing or sending US troops to Mexico is a belligerent act of war that constitutionally requires such a declaration.
But here we are causally proposing bombing or sending troops to Mexico without Mexico’s permission.
Can Anyone Own You?
Think about that for a second. I would assume nearly everyone would be against slavery.
But what else is it when Government can force you to fight an undeclared war that you don’t even believe in?
Ramaswamy supports a draft. I don’t on the grounds no one has the right to make a slave out of you and that is what forced servitude does.
Stupid drafts lead to stupid wars. History proves it.
The Libertarian Position
I am a Libertarian. I believe in small government, minding our own business, staying out of wars, and not giving a damn if two men or women want to get married.
But I draw the line at forcing people with different religious views to bake cakes for gay couples.
It is crazy to be discussing bombing Mexico, but Trump and Ramaswamy support that idea.
A Total Destruction of the Political Center. Does Anyone Speak for You?
For more discussion of the sorry set of candidates we have for president, please see A Total Destruction of the Political Center. Does Anyone Speak for You?
I’m a Republican, but let’s face it, this argument ONLY sells to Republican voters and even then, nobody would push it in a general election, much less get through Congress. This is a bad idea, put out solely for the idea of resonating with older voters in a Republican Primary.
It is a good way to lose all 18-24 yr old voters in an election, though. 😉
I’m ok with raising the age to 25. 18-24 year olds could also be allowed to register provided they’ve paid at least $25,000 in federal income taxes lifetime-to-date.
Simple the republican party is losing its voter base to death. Gerrymandering is pretty much maxed out. A good chunk of their voters are calling them out Because they see thru the bs they have been shoveling for years. The other half are so doubled down so much the politicians have lost control of their narrative.
Their polices benefit the very wealthy not the voters or the country creating move democrat voters.
Moving the voting age to 25 is just a way to take dem voting base away.
Just as funny as the party asking the car companies to leave am on the factory radios.
Maybe the republicans should change their policies. Is that not how its supposed to work.
Ps worried about books in the libary. You should watch some kids shows these days.
Watching PBS children’s shows would give Dr. Gobbels a wet dream.
The war in Ukraine is over. We already lost the war with Mexico. Unfortunately it takes Americans two years on average to start entertaining the idea their governmnent lied to them about the previous two years.
We have an actual war in Ukraine and Russia with US troops on the ground and US weapons being fired. But, the concern is a hypothetical war in Mexico with no US troops and no US weapons being fired.
1) President Vivek : “other” people with nice bank accounts and people who pay taxes can vote.
2) The poor, the crumbs on gov support and young people under the prime age (25 and 54) didn’t earn the right to vote…
3) This way the gov cannot bribe poor voters. It will force them to work, not to make love.
4) Inflation between 10% and 20% might help the republicans to achieve their goals.
5) Inflation between 10% and 20% might deflate RE in real terms.
6) Inflation between 10% and 20% might reduce real gov debt.
I would settle for making it damn near impossible to cheat first and foremost. There is a reason Bezos got out of the art business online; signature verification. Despite his best efforts fraud started causing him much grief.
Get rid of signature verification. I don’t care what we use to replace it but its gotta go. There is no point in changing the age until we do so.
What is it with republicans and trying to keep people from voting? I sincerely want to know; do they want a democracy or not? Don’t bother answering that, we all know they want a fascist oligarchy similar to the model of government in russia.
So this non starter candidate should just be honest and propose that the vote be limited to those who can prove they are middle class and higher, straight, white males, over the age of 50. Preferably land owners.
Just cut the crap when it comes to voter suppression and gerrymandering, go right to the heart of the matter.
When one considers that the way to destroy this Country is from within, or at least that is what appears to be occurring. And the way to do that, is through manipulating the minds of non-adults, or people without responsibilities, as I refer to them as. Then I say GO FOR IT!!! Let’s face it, with the coddling of our youth, we have left them mindfully absent quite a bit. This could help to fix that, and help the U.S. in getting a much more informed and serious voter base. Responsibility does have a way of making people make better short term, and hopefully as a result better long term solutions to problems.
I don’t know him personally but my in-laws attended his brother’s wedding and have been family friends with his parents for decades. I did a little reading on his background on he made his wealth and was not impressed. He basically went from innovator to marketer overnight and most of the stuff he came up with as new pharma failed to pass FDA trials. He then basically had this idea to copy drugs’ that have expired patents and create designer pharma out of multiple drugs that had expired patents and recruited investors for it and then took the early exit. I think it will be a cold day in hell before America elects a Hindu president. It just isn’t possible and now even less so with the way politics is going.
Regarding the direction of the country, I do expect America to be broken up by 2030 into multiple autonomous regions or even multiple states forming a country of their own and exiting the union. More wealthy people are leaving the country by the month because they too see the handwriting on the wall. At some point, all the debt has to come home to roost and lead to a significantly lower standard of living for many. Of course the way temperatures and weather events are going, there may be years of this and eventually the planet may have had enough of all of us.
Breaking up the USA, yeah the MAGA wet dream. Can’t win on the national level so break the national level down to more local countries. It is a shame because so many of them have taken an oath to protect and defend the constitution. A lot is going to change, but it will not be the breaking up of the country. And republicans will not like it. But then the perma-victims of the right have to have stuff to cry about anyway.
While I agree with you on the long term outlook of the country breaking into smaller regions, I think your time frame is too aggressive.
It won’t break up unless we end up with 1 party rule for a significant period of time. Even if the Democrats win in 24 and 28 that would only be 10 years in a row (with 2 left on the 28 term) which is too short a time frame for 1 party rule to be overtly corrupt. They’d need to maintain control probably until close to 2040.
What is much more likely to happen is individual states simply defying federal orders and daring the feds to do anything about it (sort of like how sanctuary cities states defied Immigration orders from Trump). More of that breakdown and defiance will have to happen before the country breaks up.
LOL
1) President Vivek : what will u do if inflation rises to 10%/15%.
2) Tradingview.com, Inflation : there is a long term resistance line : 1920 to 1947 and 1980 highs. After 100 years this line might be breached for the first time. 10%/15% CPI isn’t out of reach !
3) Gov interest payment might rise above $4T y/y : 15% of $40T debt is $6T.
4) JP needs your money to control the long duration, to reduce interest payments to $2T/$4T.
5) President Vivek : what will u do with the $150T/$200T unfunded politician promises, to our SS bs.
6) President Vivek : what will u do if the CPI reach 20% first, before moving higher.
7) Exogenous “events” cause inflation. Printing, raiding in, are the symptoms.
Republicans do not STOP inflation of 10-15% they start it the way Trump did with his easy to win trade war on China that began the supply chain problems leaving the economy wide open for the double digit inflation of the pandemic, which he also screwed royally up.
Republicans wreck the economy and democrats clean up their messes.
The problem is that the Democrats clean up with money taken from the children and grandchildren.
It’s like stealing the candy from a baby but legal.
Are we also going to wait until people are 25 before we try them as adults for murder? If you are old enough to be deemed an adult for the purposes of capital punishment then you are a full citizen with a corresponding right to vote.
The age of majority is somewhat arbitrary, but whatever that age is should come with all of the rights and responsibility of any other adult. Don’t like charging 24 year olds as children in criminal court? Then you can’t treat them as juveniles in the voting booth because you find it convenient.
Crackpot idea.
Thanks for that Ryan. This so called bright idea is just another shot at voter suppression. It is manifest that younger people vote democrat and older people vote republican. So if you are the republicans who will be damned lucky to get 60 million votes in the general election in 2024 what you have to do to avoid any sort of change within your party is to slice away a nice chunk of democratic voters. Raising the voting age to 25 would get rid of millions and as many as 20 million democrats.
The right needs to just understand that fascism, and the party is no longer conservatives but taken over by fascists, is in schism, it is now RINOs versus MAGA and they are mutually exclusive. Both dems and republicans have to have the independent voters to win. Take Florida for example, there are only about 220,000 more GOP registrations than democrats yet it is now considered a solid red state. The reason is there are now as many indy voters as republicans and democrats. You do not get this state unless you appeal to those voters.
Unfortunately those voters are fascists, racists, white nationalists which didn’t we used to call those Nazis?
The republicans can and do win in rural red counties and rural red states, but they cannot win where people actually live in the urban regions where 85% of Americans vote. So the House will keep going to the GQP or being very closely split, and the Senate will also be very closely split. But the presidency, I doubt we will ever see another republican president. A ham sandwich could beat Donald Trump and the biggest gift to democrats in 2024 will be the nomination of his royal orange fat ass who would love to accept the nomination in person except he will be in jail.
No, we should try anyone over 10 for murder as an adult. SHould execute them also, if convicted.
i think rump better ask vivek for his long form birth cert. where was he born? can i say elephant walker ?
Racist, are you going to advocate walk in ovens for people who have skin darker than you?
great idea if you are an asshole. how fucking dumb. should be age 16. he’s so desperate this guy. trump is a lock. biden or gavin will beat him like a red headed step child. i’ll be voting libertarian.
Your foul mouth is that of a true lib.
LOL, who’s president introduced the SHITHOLE name for Haiti and other poor minority run nations?
Raise it to 35!
As long as you all are fantasizing about the ultimate voter suppression because you know you cannot win in a free and fair election just jump right to the real republican wet dream, voting limited to straight Aryan males. And the ability to show a property tax bill of at least $2,500 to keep the riff raff out.
Wouldn’t that allow way too many Asians, East Indians and Hispanics?
It is not a good idea, If we are required to go to war, we keep the RIGHT to vote at 18. I voted for Nixon. He promised to get us out of Vietnam. He did and since I was in the Tonkin Gulf on an aircraft carrier, I was forever grateful to the Republican part ever since. After all it Demon-crats who sent us there in the first place.
And, like all wars, it was a lie that got us in it.
LOL Nixon began campaigning on ending the war in 1967 when he ran against Hubert Humphrey. But the last Americans did not get out of Vietnam till 1975. So from the first time he groomed people to vote for him till Saigon finally fell was 8 years. And in fact the entire time we were losing that war anyway. Leadership like that we do not need. He COULD have just pulled our troops out in an orderly safe way over a 6 month period and been done with it, instead he sent Kissinger to Paris to argue about the shape of the negotiating table for years! To nit pick and to say no to the reps from Hanoi. I remember too because I turned 17 the last day of the Vietnam era and was trying to join the air force but could not get my weight up enough.
Amend the Constitution so that the age for President is lowered to 25 from 36 so that Nicholas J. Fuentes (Illinois) can run next year as the first Hispanic President,
We could. Go try! That is what is great about our constitution. There is a path for change we want broadly enough.
And we should make Idiocracy the National movie.
We recently had a ballot initiative in CA, proposing to allow 17 year olds to vote in the primary, if they turned 18 before the next general election. Democrats wanted to get their indoctrinated students voting as soon as possible. The public voted against the proposition.
How about two-factor authentication to vote?
That really would spark a second civil war! I absolutely will not deal with 2 factor. Just like yesterday when I went to Home Depot for a new faucet for the kitchen sink, when did those get so expensive? Nothing under two hundred buck that was any good. Some almost $700. And, when I went to pay at the self service check outs because they only had one clerk at a register, the Mexican lady attending the self check outs would not give me the 10% veteran discount, said you now have to go online and register and use a QR code to get the discount. That was a $20 bucks discount I was not buying that faucet without. I told her that any store that requires me to register then fiddle with my phone to buy shit is a store I am not going to buy anything from. I will go to Lowe’s, she said you do that, they seriously do not give a shit. I have never seen any retailer so dedicated to going out of business.
Ha! But at least at HD you can find people on the floor to ask a question of. Lowe’s, not so much.
And only white property owners also! Let’s return to the Founders ideals.
Will he be using cluster ammunition on Mexico? It’s all that’s left in stock.
Drafting people for 18-24 months adds nothing to a modern army … the technical sophistication as grown beyond any useful deployment of unspecialized soldiers.
Not too many people left in Mexico. We should annex it and turn it into a giant vacation spot.
I feel infringing on people’s rights should come with the death penalty.
That is republican speak for I want to kill anyone who does not agree with me.
No taxation without representation. So I suppose if 18 y.o.’s are exempt from taxes and military service, perhaps they shouldn’t vote. On the other hand if taxes and military service are compulsory (the draft still exists in theory), then they must have the vote.
Nonplused wrote “On the other hand if taxes and military service are compulsory (the draft still exists in theory), then they must have the vote.”
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Not true. Politicians can make any laws they choose to make. And if the law states that 18yo have to register for military service, or can be drafted, but they don’t get to vote until 25, then that is the law. PERIOD. DOn’t like it? Move to Canada.
The idea of 25 is absurd if you are considered a legal adult at age 18.
Along those same lines, the drinking age and gambling age should also be 18.
I realize a bunch of people don’t want kids in bars or casinos and to offset that concern, individual states can set rules about the age to be in a drinking or gambling establishment. Then you could legally purchase and consume alcohol (or gamble) in private residences but not in bars or casinos.
So let’s raise the age for all of those things to 25 also! And include driving.
Make 25 the new age of adulthood. We need that. When I was a youth, I had to wait until I was 21 to vote. I lived through it. There is “logic” in what some say about relating voting to serving in the military (et al) but all that is “still” artificial.
We need for Americans to know where they want America to go (forward) and mature and informed people to vote in that regard.
Even Bertrand Russell commented that “logic” trends to absurdity. That is why society requires “common sense”.
Your idea of mature and informed = fascism and neo Nazism. No thanks.
Was that a tongue in cheek comment?
If you raised the age of adulthood (including driving) to 18 then what exactly would anyone age 18-14 do? They’d be unable to drive, sign a contract (so no credit card, can’t lease an apartment/buy a home) would not be able to do most jobs since you have to be legally able to join unions/trades etc (which would mean no more professional sports because you have to sign contracts).
Essentially ages 18-24 would be stuck living in their parents basements and contributing nothing to society. That would not end well for anyone because those are the years when you are most productive both physically and mentally even if you may lack wisdom to go with those mental facilities.
When voting was age 21, I could drive, buy things, work what ever. Nothing else, can I recall, was an obstacle to me. I guess I don’t agree with what you claim.
Yes because that was voting age only was 21.
JoJo suggested making the driving age be 25 too along with voting, drinking, gambling etc. Essentially making the age of adulthood be 25 instead of 18. If that was done all the things I suggested would come to pass.
That’s why the age of adulthood can’t move from 18.
Wisdom never got anything done. That takes testicular fortitude. Which is an alien emotion in this clown world. Personally, I vote every single day. Me, me, me said The One we call Agent Smith. I would contact my representative in Congress, but I’d never find me there.
I would also like to say another word about limited government. Government is the enemy of liberty. Old TJ said that as he led the charge so it must be true. Which means that government is more a cancer than a necessary evil. That whole necessary evil is just you buying the gaslighting. It’s a cancer. I’ve had cancer. I healed it without no doctors. But I didn’t keep any bits and pieces. At least not on purpose. No I killed that cancer. I’m not promoting anything. I have no ambition. I have no agenda. And I want almost nothing of what anyone here values. Which is my God given right to rule myself and not serve this ridiculously idiotic narcissistic clown world. Really? Not one single candidate ever has been worthy of anything beyond my absolute contempt. But I sure do get a kick out of all the slaves begging for a say who holds the lash they get whipped with. It just cracks me up to no end!
Oh boo hoo such a victim. No wonder your party can’t govern.
Why do you have to be of voting age to join a union? When I was 15 here in Australia it was a requirement that I join the union to sign on as an employee in a major retail chain. Annoying thing was the unions policy was to get rid of casuals (which I was) for the benefit of the full time employees. So I was forced to have 5% of my wage handed over to the union so they could use it to lobby the government to support compulsory (closed shop) union membership. And being 15 I couldn’t even have a say in voting out the scum politicians the unions gave my money to.
Nothing should be compulsory, not union membership, not the draft and not swearing allegiance to anything including governments.
Telling the truth should be compulsory.
With especially severe and long punishments for politicians.
The 18-24 cohort would do exactly what they do now. They just wouldn’t be allowed to drive, buy alcohol/weed or vote. They could go to college or work. They’d have to live nearby or take public transit. I didn’t say anything about not being able to sign a contract.
Fuck it, make it 65 and only for straight aryan males. That will end all the problems won’t it?
No reply button on your moronic posting claiming I have a political party. Why are you even here? You need to be literate on blogs. Have you considered video? How am I supposed to take this system seriously when illiterates like you vote? Believe me, I’m not crying. I just can’t stop laughing at you slaves. Y’all just crack me up!
Make it 30, as in “Never trust anyone over 30.”
I’m sure you are too young for that.
I agree. Those are discriminatory laws. Promising to make alcohol legal for 18 year olds would get a lot youth votes.
We could also try giving them money if they vote Democratic.
I’d go the other way and make all those things 25… that’s the age when your brain becomes fully capable of executive function, an you are truly an adult.
Emotionally, we want “all” to assert their rights (and to vote), but common sense (it’ll take another argument to define that in this context) dictates knowledge and analysis (thought) is required to exact quality of outcome and avoidance of frivolity. This, tightrope (pleasing all) is a tough one to walk.
I favor maturity and knowledge link to voting. Only time and experience can bring both together. We are biological entities and need capable brain development to vote responsibly. The attached study targets the best time to foster the emergence of voting for emerging adults. Vivek is correct – biologically.
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentID=3051&ContentTypeID=1
You favor testing people who AGREE with you. The need to raise the voting age is just so the republican party can suppress younger voters who vote dem overwhelmingly. We all know old folks vote GQP and young people vote Dem. You do not want to do anything to make your party more attractive to younger voters and you currently cannot win on the national level in free and fair elections. You need a bigger tent but will not change anything to get it, instead you keep doubling down on authoritarianism. Not going to work and the republicans are in full blown schism between the RINO conservatives on the right and the MAGA perma-victims on the FAR fringe radical right. They will be lucky to get 60 million votes in 2024 and maybe that will finally open their eyes to reality. But, fascism being what it is they will be a lot more likely to just resort to violence. Because they do not have the stones for an actual war they will settle for the anarchy of random terrorism. Oh and blame BLM or gay chipmunks, or uppity women who are lining up to abort your fetuses.
But with heaps of Government money thrown at the youth your highly touted systems still do not teach young Democrats to think rationally. They remain infinitely compassionate as they drag everyone down. More Money Today?
I’d favor no age limit and a basic literacy and critical thinking test.
Can you even imagine the fight over what a critical thinking test would entail. If Math is considered racist these days there is ZERO and more likely less than ZERO chance of getting any kind of agreement on what that test plus a literacy test would entail.
How about we start out with having to prove who you are. You have to be a complete mooor on to not be able to get a valid ID. That or you’re trying to vote illegally.
Fully on board with a valid ID to vote. The fact you don’t have to have one is absurd given you need valid ID for pretty much everything else in this country.
It’s pretty ridiculous… if you can’t be bothered to get ID, you shouldn’t get to vote.
Good idea, but who will be writing the questions for the critical thinking test?
Don’t tell me it would be the academics in the ivory towers.
No of course not, it would be republican lobbyists who would ask questions on a neo-Nazi can answer.
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Just grab the first quiz from a critical thinking course. It’s math.
Since emotions and reason run counter to each other, it is easier to figure out who is an emotional meatball, than what an IQ one possesses.
A return to tests like were used by Democrats in the south to prevent blacks from voting?
I don’t think any of us want to return to those days.
Why do you have to relate to those days and times? Why cannot we have ways of intelligent voting that includes all people as intended? Think about it.
What’s this? A REASONABLE post? I will say bravo Mr. Tichenor and applaud the post before it dies of loneliness.
What the matta? No read Mandarin?
Young people in general do not pay income nor property taxes and so should not have a vote on how other people’s money is spent.
Some young people do pay income tax, I had my first wage tax deduction just weeks after I turned 16. I also knew more about the political system in my country than 90% of the adults. At 18 I worked as a poll clerk in a voting centre and saw them bussing in voters from the nearby psychiatric hospital, people with brains rotted by addictions got to vote with the help/ direction of party officials and they wouldn’t have a clue if they were voting for the local member or Micky Mouse.
So any voting age is wrong, so should be able to vote in their teens and some should never vote, especially those on lifelong welfare as they get to vote in populists who will tax and spend MY money.
Something the right and apparently you just are not understanding here. YOU elected the government that appropriated the money and levied the taxes, and they have the legal authority to obligate you to pay those; therefore it stopped being YOUR money, YOUR money is what the government allows you to keep. If you do not like this because you are a free rider and want the clean water, clean air, clean well paved streets, trash collection, sewage treatment so you don’t have to poop in your back yard or over the balcony of your apartment, airports with sophisticated tracking equipment and controllers to run it all, an army to keep your buddy Tsar Vladimir from invading, all of that and so much more but without you paying for any of it, well you do know such a place already exists and you can actually go there to live if you like, it is called Haiti.
Mark, you misspelled Hawaii.
I agree. You should get 1 vote for every $1k you pay in taxes. Even for corporations. It would discourage tax cheating and make the buying of votes self defeating.
I’ve often thought about this idea and I don’t think it would work out quite the way people expect.
It would not encourage people to pay more taxes to get more votes because there is no guarantee that whomever you elect won’t raise your taxes even more since they money they get paid and get to spend comes directly from your taxes.
It would not discourage tax cheating at all. I mean if you could cheat so that you paid zero in taxes why would you care who gets elected? Pretty much everyone’s goal is to pay 0 in taxes regardless of whether they do it legally or not.
Finally the idea that tax payers could cut off all the welfare people cold turkey style is a pipe dream. Those people would riot and there are tens of million of them which would pretty much wreck the country because you could not imprison them all and even if you could it would cost more to do that than just pay welfare.
Why do people make campaign contributions?
Of course there would still be tax cheating, but there would be less if they got something directly in return. And if caught, they would still be prosecuted.
LOL what stupidity is this now? Don’t you have some books to burn?
You are financially illiterate. Sales tax, gas tax, etc. And the biggest tax of them all: inflation! Slaves all feel (slaves don’t think) that only the IRS collects tribute. Wrong! Even car insurance sends a bunch to the state. And to think I’m supposed to pay any attention to the idiot you vote for. Not happening.
Bad idea
Allow me to elaborate Phippen; ON SO MANY LEVELS only a MAGA could like the idea.
Both parties support endless wars and constant US meddling, but Republicans are far more extreme.
Really? Trump not only did not start any new wars, he brokered an historic peace deal in the middle east.
To stop the drug trade, NY magazine reported Trump Wanted to Fire Rockets Into Mexico and Pretend Like the U.S. Didn’t Do It.
Really? How long is it going to take for people to realize that Trump’s strategies always start with bombastic declarations which are then whittled down to something as good as possible. Saying Trump wanted to do this or that is just pure stupidity. Look at the actions, not the rhetoric.
I could also point out that Obama was very well spoken with measured pauses and perfect timing. He won a Pulitzer peace prize just after taking office but before he had done anything whatsoever in the name of peace. Unless you think droning weddings and funerals in the name of peace is an act of peace even when women and children die.
Trump did not do these things. There is a lot to not like about trump but I am not going to sit here and have people throw him into the same garbage can with the actual warmongers. You may not like Trump, but he was NOT the typical establishment good old boy military industrial complex supporter.
Excellent rebuttal.
It seems to me that populist Republicans (the ascendant of the party) are much more isolationist than the establishment. This is one of the reasons that establishment Washington doesn’t care for them.
I see lots of warmongering from the authoritarian Democrats; much more than the populist Republicans.
In fairness, he had more rational staff that talked him down from the more radical ideas. I wouldn’t say that these things didn’t happen because it was just bluster
Too bad they could not stop his budding love affair with Kim Jong Un.
The Pulitzer prize is for literature, but maybe his speech writer deserves it.
Don’t forget that Chump also honored the Clintons right after he threatened to jail her. That, when all he had to do was nothing, and we would have had a different set of lies released about the Kennedy assassination. But he signed it back into the shadows for another 50 years. That he made asset forfeiture, which is feudal law and has no place in a supposedly free country, all the rage again. That he’s against due process when it comes to guns. The list goes on. But you slaves never see the flaws of your gods. Such small gods for such small minds.
bingo. these idiots that vote R and D are so dumb. i’d take the vote away from morons. the monty python nit wit race would suffice……
Well DUH! Fascism is what it is, but the party is now gasping its last few breaths as the orange fat assed spy heads for trials in 3 states and DC on hundreds of felony counts that include deprivation of rights under the color of the law, which has a maximum penalty of death. Of course we will not get that lucky, but the fat one is going to go on the most radical diet plan there is; prison food.
It is the democrats that want to export liberal values and globalism to other countries – Muslim, Budhist, communist, ancient cultures, etc… Only liberal values are the right values in their minds and the world must comply. Can’t leave anyone alone.
There is a lot of ignorance and hate here, but you are better at distilling it than most. No arguments made, no facts given, just pure opinion that cannot be disproven because there is nothing but a talking point that is meaningless.
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That is true. Trumps’ policies were SMACK ON.
You mean Trump was on smack right? Trump screwed this country so hard nobody alive today will still be living when the damage is repaired.
WTF are you smoking? Trump is an illiterate fruitcake, had a ton of progressive ideas, like trading Denmark our Puerto Rico for their Greenland, I think he wants to build a massive hotel there after the ice melts. Forget that Denmark granted home-rule to Greenland in 1979 and the Greenlanders voted for full autonomy in 2008. Well the fat assed orange spy can’t be bothered with pesky facts.
Why are people even still talking about him? He is done. And his legacy is going to be in the history books as long as there is a USA as a warning to other Nazis who attempt to overthrow democracy. He is 77 and will die in prison. He has never been anything but a parasite and a charlatan, without all his frauds he would be selling mattresses in Poughkeepsie.
What is amazing is how many Americans (32-25 million) have attached themselves to this Nazi like barnacles are are perfectly will to be utterly irrelevant in the civic discourse.
Obama won the Nobel prize shortly after his election.
The Nobel committee stated it was for “what he was expected to do during his presidency”.
He should propose to only allow middle aged male Republicans that own property to vote.
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You used to have to own property to vote. And you couldn’t buy property unless you served in the military. I think there are many countries that have similar laws.
Uh you forgot STRAIGHT!
Raise to 25? Then there also needs to be a maximum age, maybe the official retirement age of 70.
Draw a graph of liberal vs. conservative leanings on virtually any issue by age. Pretty sure that’s the underlying reason for him.
You’ve probably heard the phrase, “If you’re not a liberal at 20, you have no heart, but if you’re not a conservative at 40 then you have no brain.”
Or, thereabouts.
The point is that the wisdom of a lifetime of understanding human nature and society will generally make you more conservative as you get older. You see that Democrat policies fail over and again, and that human nature will not be defeated by sudden “innovations” in liberal policies.
So why would you eliminate the wisdom of a 70 year old just because the 20 year old knows pretty much nothing? They are not equals.
Oh, because it would hurt Democrats.
Your statement makes the core argument.
I live in florida. In this state we have a town called The Villages. It’s filled to the brim with those wise elders. They’re famous for their wisdom. They ride around all day in their 10k golf carts, going back and forth between the liquor stores and the STD swap meets. They lead the nation in STDs. And that’s the demographic that votes. I think that says all you need to know about voting. And boomers.
They are rabid Trump supporters also.
When the age of 18 was decided, the average age of male population in UK was maybe around 50. By then a lad had a job, a family and was set for life (of work and servitude).
That formula of 18 was perpetuated as if it was sacred writ.
Today, confused 18 olds are busy planning only their next “experiences”.
this ain’t the UK. fuck that stuff. we like freedumb in this house………
AMEN
That’s not even constitutional. The 26th amendment gaurantees the right to vote in federal elections at age 18. I don’t think what’s his name could pass a civics test.
“That’s why I’m for a constitutional amendment to raise the voting age from 18 to 25…”
An amendment to raise the age to 25 is Constitutional. If passed and ratified by the states, it would replace the 26th Amendment.
True. The constitution was amended to change the voting age from 21 to 18. It can be amended again to make that age 25 – or, whatever age.
It is “weak” for a nation to vote more for policy than “mission” and quality of leadership.
I’m pushing 70. I don’t fall going UP stairs. Well, the last time was when I got drunk overseas,while in the Navy. I don’t slur when I speak. I can read a teleprompter being animated at that. Not speaking monotone. I still do very well shooting my guns and actually hit my targets. Please don’t take all this from me. LOL. PLEASE….LOL
At age 74, I support a maximum age cutoff.
A 20 year votes with 60+ years remaining in the game.
An 80 year old votes with only 10- years remaining.
To recall and old song…”It ain’t necessarily so”.
The most cogent reason for raising the age for voting is to improve the probabilities for youth to mature sufficiently to make a thoughtful vote selection vs emotional (i.e. their own personal gains – like student loan forgiveness (payoffs for their vote). As any mature person knows, there are negative legal, economic and political affects to such silliness.
Again, the U of R study shows what we observe…youth brains do not develop sufficiently to include “thought” (Frontal Cortex) to impulse emotion (Amygdala).
Voting seems simple but we all know there are existential problems that most youth cannot grasp.
Would you let youth sit at you Executive Staff conference to vote for strategy? I think not.
I am old and I agree with an age cut off for the same reasons.
Many of my friends haven’t got wiser with age, just resistant to change, can’t adapt to new information and complain about anyone who doesn’t agree with the ideas they formed in their 20’s and have stuck with since.
People should be responsible enough to vote at an earlier age than they can responsibly own a gun, at a minimum. Vivek is only proposing this because it’s a net positive for GOP votes.
Same reason the dems want open borders.