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Will Speaker McCarthy Be Able to Negotiate Anything and Would That Be Bad?

To win the vote, McCarthy had to agree to every demand of 20 holdouts including  an agreement to let any single member of the majority party move to “vacate the chair”. That amounts to a vote of no-confidence on his speakership.

If 212 Democrats would go along with such a vote, the group of 20 could easily get rid of McCarthy. 

Effectively, McCarthy is an acting Speaker not the Speaker. 

House Republicans Turn Focus to Spending

The Wall Street Journal reports House Republicans Turn Focus to Spending, China After Dramatic Speaker Vote

At least one Republican said Sunday she was worried that obstruction by conservatives last week presaged greater partisanship ahead. “I am concerned that common-sense legislation will not get through to get a vote on the floor,” said Rep. Nancy Mace (R., S.C.) on CBS.

Ms. Mace pointed to three antiabortion bills that Republicans could vote on over the coming days. “They’re not pieces of legislation that can pass the Senate and get onto the desk of the president,” she said.

Many of Mr. McCarthy’s initial foes are adamantly opposed to raising the debt ceiling, which doesn’t authorize new spending but instead agrees to fund borrowing for debts the government has already agreed to incur. 

Democrats, who control the Senate and the White House, are unlikely to agree to the spending curbs that Mr. McCarthy’s Republican detractors may demand in exchange for agreeing to a debt-limit increase, raising the risk of brinkmanship, said several analysts.

Without more discipline, “the Republicans will be in no position to negotiate anything,” wrote James Lucier, a policy analyst at Capital Alpha Partners, in a note to clients on Friday. “House Republicans don’t hold the cards, and they don’t know how to play.” 

Rep. Scott Perry (R., Pa.), chairman of the Freedom Caucus, said on ABC that Americans “are tired of these Christmas tree [spending] bills with all the ornaments on them coming in the middle of the night.”

He said that “if we’re going to pass a debt-limit increase,” Congress would need to also do “something to drive the trajectory of the ever-increasing debt down.”

What Happened to State’s Rights?

It would be a huge mistake for Republicans to parade down the antiabortion road again. It cost them dearly in the midterms.

Besides, what happened to state’s rights? 

A number of states are taking actions, some both ways. Republican hypocrites want state’s rights except when they don’t.

Besides, this issue is more than dead on arrival in the Senate. There would not even be a symbolic victory because it would just offend more moderates and independents. 

Is It All Bad?

No. I like some of what the Freedom Caucus wants to do. Getting rid of omnibus Christmas tree spending bills would be a major step in the right direction.

Historically, however, Republicans have been every bit as bad as Democrats in loading bills with sweeteners. If that change holds, then all this bickering will have achieved something.

Color me skeptical.

Ironically, Republican moans are already coming in McCarthy’s concessions to get the job may cost vital U.S. defense spending,” says the Journal’s editorial board.

They also won a pledge that the top-line budget figure for domestic discretionary spending in fiscal 2024 won’t exceed what it was in fiscal 2022. That includes defense spending, which would have to fall by $75 billion if the cuts are split with nondefense accounts.

In practice, to get Defense spending increases, Republicans always agree to Democrats demands for more social spending.

July Showdown

Expect a showdown in a July timeframe. That’s when spending will come up against debt ceiling once again. 

Let’s see if anything good at all comes from the McCarthy showdown. 

I am doubtful but I have an open mind on this and want to see it. We will not have to wait long. 

Get ready for a July rumble, possibly exaggerated by calls in every corner to do something about a deepening recession. 

Weakening Economy

The jobs report was anemic and the ISM services PMI was an outright disaster.

Housing is in the gutter and the rest of the economy is sinking fast. Look forward to a summer of discontent.

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Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Tis writ, ‘In the beginning was the Word.’
I Pause, to wonder what is here inferred.
The Word I cannot set supremely high:
A new translation I will try.
I read, if by the spirit, I am taught,
This sense, ‘In the beginning was the Thought’.’
Faust
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
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The Trashmen ‘Surfin’ Bird’ circa 1963 (made it to #4)
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Is the bird blue and does it tweet?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
The delayed vote will be soon forgotten. The reason some were opposed to McCarthy is he’s fine with the way things are. He doesn’t want things to change and doesn’t want to rock the boat in any way. Same with McConnel in the senate. There is no republican leadership. They’re fine with relegating decisions to the democrats as long as they keep their jobs.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
kevin mac. there is no there, there. Rs and Ds have been 100% the same on economics and wars and spending, since the 1960s. nobody could distinguish differences with a double blind test on past 60 years on who controls the presidency and congress……. no one. not me, not mish, not anyone. it’s impossible. don’t kid yourselves, kids. the last time GOP stood out differently from Dems was the 1920s.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
yes, since 1949 when Marshall lost China, but Biden might change things. blame the Rs.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Napoleon 1815 : a dead cat bounce, after two major defeats in the east. Waterloo : the British lines almost collapsed, planned their retreat, saved by the Hessian. They are good showmen. // Biden might adopt Lord Liverpool policies. Cut real gov debt by half. Cut your losses in Afghanistan. Dance with Putin to cut inflation and extract him from Shi against US. Put the war mongers on mute. First in First OUT in the southern border. No work permit for them. Out !
Those who are over 10Y in the country should get a 20Y work permit and a route to citizenship. New immigrants will stay, not leave. They will enter the black market for ten years, cutting wages, acquire new skills in vocational and tech schools. MIT : The products u make today determine tomorrow’s products, supply chain and tech know how ==> China know everything, we know nothing. MBA and econ 101 prof made us stupid !
(Nothing personal)
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
They should cut defense spending massively. This would mean the US would have to give up its absurd ambition to rule the world, but hey – that’s a good thing!
Dr Funkenstein
Dr Funkenstein
3 years ago
“May cost vital U.S. defense spending “ according to the Wall Street Journal editorial board? You could literally cut defense spending in half and have plenty to defend the United States. Not that Biden is currently defending it from being invaded by 3 million illegal aliens every year.
Terms limits? New Gingrich and the Contract with America tried that in the 1990s. The courts struck them down?
Abortion? Leave some reasonable limits like within 5 months. But if you try things like none even if raped or life is threatened like that New York Republican tried against the murdering witch governor, move to Russia or Ukraine. Or emphasize adoption or well funded orphanages.
But not much will change with the GOP in control of the House.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Dr Funkenstein
TRUTH. RARE.
amigator
amigator
3 years ago
The problem now is if they “do good” it will no feel like to many. There is no win win to fix the US it is win and feel like you lost…
garryl44
garryl44
3 years ago
If they raise SS FRA above 67 where it is now and/or cut one dime from SS then I won’t cast or vote for any politician of any party. Period, and I’m not in minority of that view. My left wing friends are 100% in agreement and my right wing friends simply don’t believe the Republicans are even considering cuts to SS or Medicare because they don’t hear any talk about it on Fox, OAN, or Newsmax and tell me it is campaign season BS from the Dems. However, when pressed they agree no cuts to either.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
3 years ago
It is easy to vote against an increase in the debt limit but no one wants to vote against increases in spending. If Republicans just passed a reduced spending plan in the House that met their balanced budget posturing I would have a lot more respect for them even if I don’t agree with them.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
Deficit, schmeficit, they got investigatin’ to do!
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
The Kooky Kaukus is on a mission to shut down the government and seize power. They got rules in place that enable them to evict McCarthy at will. It all looks like a harmless kookshow now, but if a real leader emerges (trump is dead, and DeSantis ain’t it) the directed kookshow could at the very least disable the house, stop the debt ceiling from being raised, and force a constitutional and economic crisis. The will is there, and I think they have a solid chance of pulling it off.
How would one profit in such a scenario?
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
How would one profit in such a scenario?
Have short positions via long puts because if this plausible scenario unfolds stocks, bonds will sell off. Gold may spike too as an alternative. If a US Treasury default happens there will be nowhere to hide. I would assume trading would be halted on all exchanges for a while if there is a default because it would lead to a global domino collapse and supply chain disruptions.
Best profit idea is to stock pile goods that will be in high demand or you can use.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Guns and liquor! My favorites!
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The single vote to vacate the chair isn’t unusual. It was unusual to not have it. Things are just reverting to the norm.
And the vote is just to put it up for a vote. A single person can’t force out the chair. Think about it, the majority would have to want him out, so the single vote change is only an issue for the uninformed who like to complain about everything the opposition party does.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
This is how they will wriggle out from under the $75B military spending cut that they have proposed :

1. The Freedom Caucus (FC) asks for the $75B military spending cut.
2. Most (9 out of 10) Republican members and literally ALL the bloodthirsty Donorcrats oppose the spending cut.
3. The FC then threatens to launch the motion to vacate McCarthy if he goes ahead without the cut. McCarthy knows that he will lose that vote.
4. Donorcrats then offer to offset the $75B extra spending by trimming SS and Medicare and other welfare programs.
5. The FC and the rest of the Republican Party agree to that.
6. The final bill, when passed, has all these social safety net cuts, but somehow a tax cut for the rich would have “magically” appeared from nowhere.
7. After the bill is passed, the Donorcrats and the MSM laud the passage of the bill and claim that it is a victory for “bipartisanship”.

Portlander2
Portlander2
3 years ago

[The] chairman of the Freedom Caucus, said … that “if we’re going to pass a debt-limit increase,” Congress would need to also do “something to drive the trajectory of the ever-increasing debt down.”

This means less spending or higher taxes. Since inflation is high and a recession is coming, spending on social safety nets will only go UP with COLAs, claims for unemployment, etc. Cutting such counter-cyclical spending will only make the recession worse. So, logically, this laudable goal of bringing “the trajectory of debt down” must (realistically) mean raising taxes. Raising taxes on the middle-class would hit their pocketbooks, impacting their spending and making the recession worse. Republicans won’t raise taxes on the wealthy, so this is just partisan theatre.
The first bit of theatrics will be over the debt ceiling. Is a government shutdown coming? If so, this big spending fight may itself cause households to tighten their belts and reduce personal spending. The Freedom Caucus and the Republicans could then be blamed for making the recession much worse. They may all go down in flames.
Can Republicans be that politically reckless and/or stupid? I think there is no doubt–yes, they can!
I hope House Democrats have lots of popcorn to pass around.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Negotiate?
Negotiate what?
Negotiate to buy a used DeLorean from Doc Brown and set it to January 1911 for a do-over?
Endless War
Financial Collapse
Fauchi Flop a new Olympic Event
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
ha ha ha.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
The only meaningful things the Republicans can get done are investigations. But even then, they have no authority to prosecute someone, so no matter what they uncover, Garland isn’t going to bite. Be that as it may, I certainly hope they get us close to understanding how compromised Joe Biden is with regards to Ukraine, China (COVID) & the FBI (Deep state / Big Tech). As for Ukraine, is anyone surprised at how much money Joe is sending Zelensky to keep him quiet?
Either way. No meaningful legislation will get passed, but hopefully we return to some semblance of fiscal responsibility / transparency. This basic goal would go a long way to making the case to give DeSantis all three branches in ’24.
I agree about Mish’s abortion legislation statement. It’s been handed back to the states which was the right thing to do.
Portlander2
Portlander2
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Rights are presumably universal and inalieanble. Having a patchwork of rights depending on the State you live in, and the political winds therein, seems ludicrous. Note that a key precedent for Roe v. Wade was the Griswold decision, which determined that married couples should be FREE of State laws prohibiting doctors from prescribing contraception. What a concept 50 years after Roe v. Wade–FREEDOM from government intrusion! Logically, the Supreme Court also should repeal Griswold. Logically, the legality of marital unions for Gay people should also be returned to the States. Does it make sense for your marital status or fertility status depend on which side of a State boundary you’re on? Does that make sense????
Politically, maybe that’s how this country evolves–with lots of Bible thumping, pain, division, posturing, and hypocrisy. It may take 20 years, and lots of deaths by underground botched abortions, but my guess is all 50 States will eventually provide some meaningful protection to abortion in the first trimester– i.e., essentially, back to Roe v. Wade.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Portlander2
Why? Letting angry, bible thumping men decide abortion rights for women (50% of voters) isn’t a winning strategy?
/sarc
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
3 years ago
There are plenty of bible thumping women against abortion too. When does life begin? When does the legal protection of personhood again? I looked up the earliest premature birth to survive and found this.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
The easiest definition of the beginning of “real” life is when the baby pokes its head out. Why not use this definition and forget/forgive anything prior?
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
3 years ago
Reply to  Portlander2
The flaw with your excellent argument is that the Constitution (including the Bill Of Rights) does not mention abortion. Therefore that regulation is left to the States.
On the other hand, the right to keep and bear arms is specifically enumerated. That one is supposed to apply everywhere. And yet there is a large variation in the rules the various States apply. And there is a large overlap between those who claim the right to abortion should the universal and those who claim the enumerated right to have a gun doesn’t apply to their State.
New York just told the Supreme Court to sod off on the concealed carry decision. That sounds like an act of insurrection to me. 🙂 Or at the very least it’s a conspiracy to deny some group their civil rights. I’m curious to see what happens next.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Portlander2
The Supreme Court of SC just struct down its 6-week abortion ban. The more likely scenario is that states that outlaw abortions will slowly coalesce around something like a post 10-15 week ban except for cases of rape, incest & the medical health of the mother. And none of that has anything to do with Bible thumping rather than common sense. The good news is that it will slowdown abortions which is the goal, not to outlaw them entirely.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
It’s taboo to talk about republican on republican hate and violence so let’s just say that it will get worse before it gets better. I think it was the Romans that murdered their own senate members so it is inevitable that republicans will get there at some point, they almost did it on Jan 6 last year and Jan 6 this year.
Roto1711
Roto1711
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
I think you mean the Democrats.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Roto1711
Sick burn, bro!
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Spencer Perceval, the British PM, was murdered in May 11 1812. Lord Liverpool replaced him. In June 18 1812 the British Army invaded US. They torched the white house, NYC Mcmansions, Princeton… every house all the way down south. It lasted until Feb 1815 when Andrew Jackson defeated the British Army in N.O, which tried to carve US into two pcs. Lord Liverpool reduced gov debt by half, cut inflation,
sent the econ to hell, cleansed the war machine. He was the most hated man on earth, but rejuvenated the British Empire for the next 100 years.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
The British were more focused beating Napoleon at Waterloo in June 1815.
LM2022
LM2022
3 years ago
I predict the next 18 months will be non-stop Hunter Biden laptop hearings which no one aside from the Fox News crowd cares anything about.
RunnerDan
RunnerDan
3 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
Like “Russian Collusion” for 2.5 years except the Hunter laptop isn’t a hoax and exposes (again) how compromised the Left is.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  RunnerDan
Exactly! The FBI is compromised by a deep state that’s aligned with the left. That has to change like a lot of other bad things the left has foist upon us in the last 2-3 years.
LM2022
LM2022
3 years ago
Reply to  RunnerDan
Once again for the cheap seats: nobody cares.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
i won’t rest until i see billboards in my village of brooklyn with giant photos of hunter’s hog. i acgtually seriously hope they go after the biden crime family money trail from ukraine to china to sbf……………and see wwhere it leads. same goes for desantis and trump etc……….
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Hunter’s a bad boy, and I’m really interested in what he was actually up to in Ukraine. Was he in cahoots with Zelensky, or was it the prior admin?
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
didn’t obama and john mccain help to really instigate our involvement in the affairs of ukraine? i think the money trail is far and wide in the political and military grifters both D and R and raytheon and boeing and CIA……….
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
You guys keep talking about a laptop – almost laughable – like a dog with a bone.
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
Viable third party, debt control, term limits, and orderly citizenship.
Hope to see all those items at the Feral government level before I exit this world.
Problem is, those are the same items I hoped for in my first federal government vote in 1988.
Nothing will change. There is no hope with Democrats and Republicans.
Rbm
Rbm
3 years ago
I agree with some of the items they want to accomplish. At the same time i worry about committee appointments just being a far right stirring the pot of revenge investigations. Which is funny because they seem not to be good with the definitions and concept of treason, terrorist , insurgent, coupe, sedition, violent mob, and it seems a few have anger issues and some personal space issues.
With that being said kind of wish they had reached across the aisle found some one moderate the dems could back and squash the far right.
Imo both parties need to be fighting over the middle.
Portlander2
Portlander2
3 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
Why should Democrats save Republicans from themselves? Let the kids experience the pain that can come from reckless behavior.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
Agree. Seems to me a middle party needs to be formed. Stop the kooks on both sides from driven the agenda.
Jcbl
Jcbl
3 years ago
The only difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is in the details of the myriad of ways they seek to expand government and waste the taxpayers money.
Rbm
Rbm
3 years ago
Reply to  Jcbl
Graft to a few vs graft to the many
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Did Rep Mike Rogers yelled at Matt Gaetz : u are a f**k* Zhu. With such a house Biden might be in trouble. They might talk about covid
origin, Hunter, but nothing about what American care about. The dbl McC are no Gingrich and Clinton. They will make sure that Biden will not be in power again. Biden is in El Paso, because Nancy is gone.
Rbm
Rbm
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots

Haha investigations from the party that wanted to move on from the insurrection. Haha even if the fbi / nancy and whoever else flubbed things. Still doesnt change the fact members of the republican party started it backed it and went along with it or let it happen. Except Cheney/ Maybe they should investigate themselves. Hunter: trump had two senators on it for couple years. If there was something there i figure would have heard about it by now. On covid i trust the scientist on twiv podcast opinion. They say pretty much all signs point to the market and the way the virus replicates and mixes with other strains and parts. Will be impossible to figure anything out after three years. If biden makes it so asylum seekers have to apply from home country. Thats the first actual change in immigration policy which i can recall. As a side note wonder how less illegal immigration will affect the economies of those border states. You know less agents / judges/ support systems. Might just be another win for republicans where they end up losing. Like abortion.

Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
Bah, its politically motivated witch hunt! Fake news! Everyone’s saying it!
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
i’m not so sure those concessions to rules are a done deal. they have not happened yet. i would not be shocked at them reneging on verbal commitments. i stayed up all night and watched mccarthy and his henchman physically intimidate bonnie and clyde, i mean gaetz and boebert. anyone thinking pax dumbphuckistan is NOT a banana republic already and a crumbling empire, just cannot face reality. lots of naive folks out there. per states rights, that all was abolished in the unconditional surrender by robert e. lee at the appomatox courthouse. not many folks, yankees or rebels, understand why the framers of the us constitution did NOT put a very easy exit ramp for states to split off. pro tip and hint. the founders knew the UK was coming back for revenge for the violent insurrection and revolution starting in 1776 declaration of such. the brits did come back quickly, in war of 1812. it was a suicide pact. but bringing this to today. just like 1850s, we are now in a cold civil war. i’m a betting man, and bet on politics hundreds of time per annum, and would bet against all those verbal concessions being said today on the idiot box, will come true. i hope i’m wrong. one other thing, the us is behaving like a parliement system now. only the letters behind one’s name matters. regions don’t. etc. it’s redcoats v violent terrorist revolutionaries, it is blue versus gray. it’s now MAGA v R v D. i still will be the 50 state solution is happening by 2029 inauguration date. i made that bet in 2018. decade long bet with a few thinker punters. i suspect it to be a yawn and a good thing.
Rbm
Rbm
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn

Rino is just a name the far rt call a moderate republican.

Or better yet a republican they dont agree with.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
GAETZ and company and even macarthy are the real RINO. the old GOP like mark sanford and jeff flake and the normal torch bearers of GOP were run off by the MAGA cult of donald j Humpty Trumpty. it’s GOP died long ago. now it’s cuckoos and pure wimps. kevin the new speaker was assaulted by MAGA hoards on jan 6, and he went to Mar a Lago and begged mein fuhrer, for more please. FFS the amerikan man is a coward now. look at our retreats from evdery war since 1945. except for grenada. that was a big win. and if you paid attention at the time a moral booster after Raygun retreated from lebanon after they blew hundreds of USMC men sky high in bombings. get a grip kids. the empire has been in retreat for a long time, around 60 years……domestially and internationally. now the ruling class is just fighting over who gets to steal everything not nailed down.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
I used to get really baked and watch British parliament sessions… all that booing and cheering, hopping up, sitting down, fussing with that big book, bellowing in their fancy accents, was hilarious. CSPAN would be so much better if they would let the geezers brawl. Might actually get the oldies out of there finally if legislating became a full contact sport.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
i agree and still watch the brits. the abuse they hurled at the idiot prime minister recently was off the charts. they also have members of parliament that are in parties of outright secession, from scotland…………….amerikans are wimps. imagine amerikans voting for the party of SC secession? i also vote in italy. makes the politics in pax dumbphuckistan look downright tame. people here are naive and still believe in the hoax of our amerikan empire. the europeans already did this game. they have matured. not saying they are better. just further along in seeing all the cycles of democracy since ancient greeks invented it. we all know a republic IS a democracy. so no pearl clutching from the nit wit crowd needed.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Well it is sort of a democracy.
It is a type of democracy that promised that the fools and idiots would not have a direct voice.
Some republics have not turned out that way.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
What was the actual physical intimidation going on? Threats or action?
OUdaveguy
OUdaveguy
3 years ago
At this point, Congressional paralysis and anarchy is a lot cheaper and less damaging than the uniparty’s perpetual taxpayer giveaways. The nation’s fiscal house has to have a reckoning at some point; why not make it in 2023? Term limits and a balanced budget amendment would do a lot to restrain the .01% who Congress actually serves.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  OUdaveguy
term limits will give the lobbyists for bankers and military etc even that more powerful. hell, they write the damn laws now and get the rookies to rubber stamp them. a chimp could do their job. paging santos and MTG, please come down to the principals office and sign the legislatiion.
Rbm
Rbm
3 years ago
Reply to  OUdaveguy
Campaign finance reform would be a good place to start. Lobbying reform.
Fixing this mess will be a lot better than burning things down. Not like theres a bunch of do gooders to start us over with a clean slate.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
There is an army of people profiting from the leaks and exploits in the system, and they’ll fight you tooth and nail to stop you fixing them.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
they do play for keeps. not the namby pamby sports variety of ball like the NFL. talk about whiners and prancers and dancers. makes me LOL

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