Home Prices Start to Decline, How Low and How Fast Will They Fall?

Case-Shiller home price data via St. Louis Fed, chart by Mish

Home Price Synopsis

Home prices have peaked this cycle but the decline is certainly tiny compared to the run up.

Case-Shiller lags. July is the latest data and that represents sales primarily made in May and June so the declines shown are undoubtedly understated.

CS National ,Top 10 Metro, CPI, OER

Home Price Disconnect Notes

  • National is the Case-Shiller national home price index.
  • 10-City represents the weighted average of the cities in the first chart.
  • CPI is the Consumer Price Index
  • OER stands for Owner’s Equivalent Rent. It is the single largest component in the CPI with a current weight of 23.65% of the total CPI.
  • Rent of Primary Residence is a CPI component with a weight of 7.25% of the CPI.

OER is the price the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) says one would pay to rent one’s own house from oneself, unfurnished, without utilities.

Price Percent Change Since January 2020

  • Case-Shiller National: 44.7 Percent
  • Case-Shiller 10-City: 39.8 Percent
  • OER: 8.9 Percent
  • CPI: 14.8 Percent

The Fed fueled a speculative bubble in housing, purposely, by reckless QE and unreasonably low interest rates.

Slowing Dramatically

By slowing dramatically, I mean housing transactions, not price. 

We have not seen downturns like this outside of recessions.

For discussion, please see Existing Home Sales Decline Every Month Since February, Down 0.4 Percent in August

Great Recession Comparison 

Unlike the Great Recession, this housing bubble lacks liar loans and the intense speculation of 2005-2008. 

Nor will people be waking away from debt because most have positive equity.

On the job front, I expect a minimal rise in unemployment.

Where to From Here?

Prices will slowly decline but 6 and 7 percent interest rates will kill affordability for years to come. Even 15 or 20 percent declines would be insufficient to stir up the massive surge in demand we saw from 2020 on.

If something goes up by 44 percent it would take a 31 percent decline just to get back to even. But factoring in the rise in interest rates, home prices would have to crash 50 percent or more.

Given the huge differences between now and the Great Recession, prices are far more likely to be sticky. 

Many will become locked to their homes, unable or unwilling to move. Who wants to sell their house with a 2.5% mortgage to buy a home with a 7.0% percent mortgage?

Negative price pressure will come from downsizing or dying boomers and those who have no mortgage.

When children inherit a house, they will sell. There will be a big wave of forced selling in the future, but not now. 

Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

Housing tends to lead the economy into and out of recessions. This slowdown is taking a toll on the economy now. 

But unless the Fed comes to a quick rescue, housing will be in the doldrums for a long time. 

Add it all up and you have a long period of slow economic growth that borders in and out of recession for years.

For discussion, please see Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

Cyclical Components of GDP, the Most Important Chart in Macro

If you missed it, please note Cyclical Components of GDP, the Most Important Chart in Macro

My follow-up article was A Big Housing Bust is the Key to Understanding This Recession

Housing leads recessions and recoveries and housing rates to be weak for a long time.

Add it all up and you have the opposite of the Covid-recession, a long period of economic weakness with minimal rise in unemployment.

It does not matter whether you label this a recession or not. Besides, the NBER might not even announce the recession until it’s over. That happened once already.

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Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
“Nor will people be waking away from debt because most have positive equity.”
… for now…
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
The CSI at this top is reversing more sharply than the CSI reversed in 2006.
Another thing that caught my attention was a textbook motive Elliott wave for Denver that started from the 2009 lows. I believe this motive wave is prat of a much larger degree Elliott wave that is ending, so a return to the 200 level is possible.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
“Who wants to sell their house with a 2.5% mortgage to buy a home with a 7.0% percent mortgage?”
Out of interest why wouldn’t the lender offer you a deal, from their perspective anything above 2.5% for the remainder of the term would be better?
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
Maybe they’re hoping you’ll just give them the house, and they can trickle sell them over the next few years.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
It seems you might be able to transfer it depending on the terms.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
All twelve Fed bankers are hawkish. If the Fed will raise rates without harmony with the ECB, gravity will pull US10Y
down and mortgage rates will fall. If there will be synchrony with the ECB, US10y minus DET10y will be zero. With zero gravity JP and madam ECB can slowly raise rates to normal level without friction. If u stay in your house paying low mortgage rates for decades and enough of u do the same, not selling, after the initial decline in real terms due to inflation, mortgage rates will rise and your house will be worth much more in real terms, because those who are paying 3% – 4.5% and hold will cause shortages.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots

In American Yale Professor Irving Fisher’s truistic: “equation
of exchange”, P*T = M*Vt. But M*Vt “≠” N-gDp.

“We should always remember that
the value of money (its purchasing power) is determined – like the value of
other goods – by supply and demand,
never by supply alone.”
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
If the US10Y is pulled down then mortgage rates will rise not fall.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
What is the actual supposed cash on hand. I know many say they have waiting cash, but how many people and how much. Real Estate is highly leveraged and most is bought with borrowed money out of necessity. As money available for lending dries up, speculative asset prices will drop. The current crises is over liquidity, and the solution is less liquidity. Things are currently priced according to leverage, not to value.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
In 2007, it took two years for housing to bottom according to the St Louis fed chart and then housing was flat thru 2012 (five years). In 2017, it took another two years for housing to bottom and stayed flat and likely would have stayed there were it not for Fed intervention.
Assuming we peaked sometime in Q3 of 2022 then it’ll be 2024 before housing corrects and likely stays flat for years unless the Fed cuts back down to zero. I am still holding XHB and home builder puts for January 19 2024.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Today’s financing scheme is different from the GFC. Paying interest on reserves created an inverted yield curve,
where short-term funding was withdrawn, sharply reducing the supply of loan-funds
(savings collapsing back into the payment’s system), forcing a $6.2 trillion
contraction in the shadow banks.
Home prices bottomed 2009-01-01 @208400. That’s when money flows bottomed, so stocks bottomed.

–Danielle Dimartino Booth’s book: “Fed Up”, pg. 218

“Before the financial crisis, accounts were insured up to
the first $100,000 by the FDIC. That limit kept enormous sums in the shadow
banking system. After the crisis, the FDIC raised the insured account limit to
$250,000. But trillions of dollars still sate outside the traditional banking
system. The “safe” money had no place to go expect money market mutual funds
and government securities, leading to a shortage of T-Bills and a corresponding
drop in yield.”

That’s what was predicted in May 1980 – after the DIDMCA.

As Leonard Da Vinci explained:
“My
intention is to consult experience first, and then with reasoning show why such
experience is bound to operate in such a way”…”Although nature begins with the
cause and ends with the experience, we must follow the opposite course, namely
being with the experience, and by means of it investigate the cause…“Before you
make a general rule of this case, test it two or three times and observe
whether the tests produce the same effects”.
The FDIC’s reduction in deposit insurance is prima facie evidence.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
“That’s when money flows bottomed, so stocks bottomed.”
March 2009 saw Congress strong arm FASB (157) to move from mark to market to mark to model … within days equities commenced relentless move higher.
Investors realized that making Big Bank balance sheets opaque + Secretary of Treasury Geithner screaming from every roof top that NO BIG BANKS WILL FAIL was cue that the fix was in. Party On.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
No, that was “white noise”. Markets always bottomed with short-term money flows bottomed, e.g., 1982, 1984, 1987, 2002, 2009, etc.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
You can’t be serious,
Banks were sitting on massive losses till that moment.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
There’s already a shortage in affordable housing. Raising interest rates will only exacerbate this shortage.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Yeah, well there is plenty of shadow inventory now … that will be “affordable” soon enough.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
“The Housing Affordability Index measures whether or not a typical family earns enough income to qualify for a mortgage loan on a typical home at the national and regional levels based on the most recent price and income data”
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Exactly.
Things will change soon enough.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
re: “Housing tends to lead the economy into and out of recessions”. Disintermediation, an interest rate inversion, is made in Washington.
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
A $4,000 refrigerator that has a ‘view’ into the contents inside, tells the whole story.
Talk about over-leveraged.
Rbm
Rbm
3 years ago

Also in the mix. Cant get what you think your parents house is worth in the current market. Expect more Air b and b. Wonder about cash sales and wall street purchases this time around.

xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
Around here, the second home is a big issue. It keeps a bunch of homes off the market – those held by out-of-towners. Houses may be empty half the year or filled by Air BnB. Helps keep rents high because they are not rented on a long-term basis to locals.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Housing is such a weird problem. Me thinks that if you want rents to come down, then interest rates need to remain high. High rates mean lower prices which translate to lower rents. However, low rates spur an increase in construction and supply. More supply should lower rents. Meh.
One thing I do know, everyone that refinanced during covid has 30-year windfall in low mortgage payments. That is now baked in, and our mortgage payment will never increase. Huge retirement benefit for the middle class. Only have to worry about maintenance and utilities inflation.
Rbm
Rbm
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
I agree with your comments.
Seems to me housing cost are gonna stay high. Prices may drop being replaced by interest rates.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
Yes, housing costs are going to remain high. Bernanke drained the money stock. Powell injected an unparalleled increase in the money stock.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
Who is holding all that low-interest-rate, long-duration mortgage debt, and losing their a$$?
Will the Fed bail out the US pension system? If it doesn’t, can retirees afford their mortgage payments?
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Good point. One person’s liability is another person’s asset. If lenders resell the mortgages they will take a hit on the P&L, but it is a paper loss. Look at the cash flows though. If they hold the notes, they get the agreed cash over a long time. If they sell them, they take a lump sum payout now for less than face value and reinvest it elsewhere.
There are no losses to the lender unless the borrower defaults and the property is underwater, but that will be less of a problem because underwriting has been good since 2010.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo

another Boomer Benefit

dbannist
dbannist
3 years ago
I’ve heard the term “golden handcuffs” to describe the current situation where people are handcuffed to their current home by the low interest rates and cannot move because they’d be trading a low interest rate for a high one.

There will be many many homeowners wearing handcuffs in the future. The good side of this, of course, is that equity will rapidly increase as more and more homeowners stay longer in their home. That’s going to hit bank earnings however who make money from housing market turnover.

kpmyers
kpmyers
3 years ago
Hey Mish,
I think in some areas of the U.S. there could be accelerated losses in home prices. There’s a lot of speculative housing money tied up here in Southern California: 1. Blackstone, 2. Foreign purchase3. Airbnbs VBROs. If the other asset classes continue to experience losses, these speculative housing hedges may experience more selling which could accelerate a drop in prices. In 2017, I bid on a home in Poway, CA site unseen. There were 24 offers, 16 all cash…that was not a normal functioning housing market. The speculative mania only increased between 2017 and 2021.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  kpmyers
there is still a structural shortage of homes and building regulations make them expensive and hard to build. Like we are seeing in the oil industry, under-investment is a problem that will keep the market from collapsing. The covid low-interest rates pulled demand forward, and the prices should fall for a little while as the demand hole is processed. I think OER stays above 400.
kpmyers
kpmyers
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
There’s plenty of new building in San Diego, maybe not homes but there are dozens of newer condominium projects that have been built since 2009 in the downtown and central San Diego. Many of these new units have all the amenities, aimed at the freewheeling luxury crowd. The only people that can afford these new units are the very wealthy or investors with cash. There’s plenty of inventory but investors are pricing out 1st time home buyers.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
“Negative price pressure will come from downsizing or dying boomers and those who have no mortgage.”
And job losses / hours cut / fear of either.
Bank of America … of all people … out yesterday with call expecting 175K / month job losses for 2023 (on a “mild” recession).
I’ll take the Over.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I’ll take the Under. There are too many boomers leaving the workforce and not enough young people to replace them. There was a good interview on yahoo finance about a Trades expert saying the average age of an electrician in america is 60. Yes SIXTY. Construction workers, plumbers, carpenters, police officers, nurses, etc…..massive shortages coming. There may be layoffs but the companies doing those will regret it long term, it will be very difficult to get them back.
“Without some kind of public partnership, public-private partnership, we’re not going to have any one to rebuild this country in another decade. So I think something has to be done, and the administration is well aware at this point.”
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
You may well be right.
I know my opinion in the minority, but I have job losses totaling 3 to 5 million before it’s over.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Mortgage credit tightening:

“Mortgage credit availability decreased in September according to the Mortgage Credit Availability Index (MCAI), a report from the Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) that analyzes data from ICE Mortgage Technology.

The MCAI fell by 5.4 percent to 102.5 in September.”

Average 30 yr mortgage at year to date high … which makes it the high since 2008 … another bad day in bond market. When rate resets later to day it will be higher.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
“How Low and How Fast Will They Fall?”
More than most can imagine. Seriously.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I was slinging tech stocks when the dot.com bubble burst. I know why those brokers leapt from their windows in 1929. This is the mother of all bubbles. No one has ever seen, or can really imagine, just how bad this can get. The good news is that I can’t think of a single government that will survive it. Which should make the rebound almost instantaneous after their fall. So there’s that.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
I recently read that traders from the Crash of 1929 were fearful of a crash … by 1927. But you can be fearful for only so long and still do your job, so they continued to trade … with fingers crossed I guess.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
A whole lotta them just got out of the trading business. Either by suicide or bankruptcy. It was a mess.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Everyone thinks they can get out in time, except when the time comes they expect a rebound…
aaswing
aaswing
3 years ago
There is another possibility due to inflation. The home price may be flat for a very long time. Sticky inflation may cause salaries to go up significantly to allow more people to afford a larger mortgage payment.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Outside of those who have to move, who’s buying homes now? Almost anyone who could afford a home now, could have afforded it at any time over the past few years. Who would think now is a good time to buy instead of say 2 years ago?
The same goes for cars. Who’s opting to buy a car now?
dbannist
dbannist
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Those with cash will do the best.

I’m personally hoping for a large decrease in home prices. I have no idea what will happen but I’m building cash, as many of my friends are. If home prices decrease I don’t care what the interest rate is. If I can buy an 80k home for cash and rent it for 800 I’m earning another 6k a year after expenses per house.

Yeah, I’d make more with financing, but cash buyers are more than usual lately. There’s a lot of people with cash, more than most think.

KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
Where can you get a house for anything close to $80k? The biggest dumps near me go for around $300k. 1 bedroom 1 bath condos in bad neighborhoods.
dbannist
dbannist
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I’m in Wilson, NC. Lots of 80k homes for sale here with a little sweat equity. Lots of homes in the 100-150k range with zero sweat equity.

It’s not the price that matters, its the rent ratio. If you can get 1% of purchase price in rents, that’s good and you should buy it, depending on interest rates. If you can get 1.2% a month in rents, then interest rates cease to matter to me at all.

IF housing falls 1.2% will become common, and I”ll lever up, even at 7% interest rates.

Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
To collect the rent there you might have to hire a couple of bodyguards which eats into the return. You could outsource it to Vinny who would take a 30% cut but at least the rent will be paid on time.
dbannist
dbannist
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
It’s actually quite safe here for anyone who is not in a gang.

Wilson has grown by leaps and bounds due to their location on I-95 and being the first city you run into from the high tax states like VA, DC, and NJ. Lots of folks moving here.

Now, if you are in a gang your life expectancy goes down dramatically here and nearly every murder is a person in a gang.

And….don’t buy rental houses on the south side of town…bad idea.

Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
With housing prices so low there probably isn’t much of a homeless problem there either.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I’m thinking about buying a couple of cars. Inflation and regulations will make them more expensive going forward and cars don’t last forever. They are things we need.
In an inflationary economy, you want real assets. Cars and maybe even houses.
Housing will not decline below replacement valuation in “good” areas. I remember the 1970’s and early 80’s. Mortgage rates were high and buyers could wait for home prices to decline. You might still be waiting.
Your home is not an investment. It is an expense that is made to live a comfortable life.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
Cars are a terrible investment.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Anything that doesn’t generate money is a terrible investment.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
You have missed the point. Everything is NOT an investment. Some things, cars, homes, vacations, furniture are expenses but they make life better.
Prices wont drop as much as people think because these are things people want to have a better life.
I like the economic information from Mish and from the comments but life is about more than making $.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Anything that doesn’t generate money is an expense 🙂
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Agree. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t purchase it.

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