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A Big Housing Bust is the Key to Understanding This Recession

GDP Contributions from BEA chart by Mish

Every recession since 1952 had significant declines in cyclicals defined as durable goods and residential construction. 

I left off the Covid recession because it dwarfs everything else. 

These charts are an expansion of the idea presented by Eric Basmajian at EPB Research. 

Contributions to GDP SAAR

GDP Contributions from BEA chart by Mish

It’s durable goods more than residential construction that appears to be the driver. 

But it’s housing that drives durable goods, and existing home sales far more than new home sales.

Personal Consumption Expenditures

PCE Components, chart by Mish

Services, durable goods, and nondurable goods are subcomponents of PCE. It’s that bottom green durables line that is the driver to recessions and expansions. 

Autos and parts are about a third (734 billion) of durable goods. That data is quarterly or I would have plotted it.

Cyclical Components of GDP, the Most Important Chart in Macro

For more on cyclical components including a video by Basmajian, please see Cyclical Components of GDP, the Most Important Chart in Macro

Housing Bust Underway

Basmajian’s theme ties in with the housing bust now underway.

For discussion please see Expect Huge Negative Revisions to New Home Sales as Sales Crash and Orders Cancelled

Also note Existing Home Sales Skid Another 3.4 Percent in May, Down Fourth Month

No one can say what the future cyclical contributions will be, but they rate to be damn ugly. 

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JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
If house prices come down 20%, then they’ll be back where they should be.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Judging by the “Cyclic component as a % of GPD” chart, I’d ignore this Eric Basmajian from now on.
Note the misleads:
Clipped at the bottom? Check.
Average-line instead of linear regression? Check.
Arbitrary colored lines to emphasize … what? Some hallucination? Check.
And, even then, aside from the obvious trend to five-ish percent ten-ish years from now, I see three things:
1) The duration of the bounces are getting longer. Which will make the percentage wander around 12% to 14% for 10 years, followed by the plunge to 5%.
2) What happened in 1980? Was the measurement of “cyclic component” changed?
3) The chart’s duration doesn’t support extrapolation. This chart is yet another expression of why we all can be seduced by silliness of chartism.
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
“I left off the Covid recession because it dwarfs everything else.”
Covid was the most highly marketed disease ever. It is said that the New Deal prolonged the Great Depression, That the US is prolonging the Ukrainian war by providing weapons for a losing cause, and it is certainly true that government interference prolonged and magnified the Covid consequences. It is well that the Covid recession is left off of trend analysis.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
4 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
the US is providing profits to raytheon and rest of MIC. that ain’t NO losing cause. except for 99% of mankind.
JRM
JRM
4 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
It is “NOT” these weapons we are are supplying to Ukraine are coming out of US/NATO stockpiles!!
And new orders have not been allocated in the budget to replace these supplies!!!
Several NATO countries have notified NATO no more weapons will be sent to Ukraine, cause they have depleted their stockpiles!!!
Biden is systematically disarming NATO!!!
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  JRM
I love the smell of kookery in the morning….
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
It looks like non-durable PCE goes up in everything but really severe downturns (2008, 2020). I think you’ve shown why Warren Buffet has always avoided durable goods, even tech goods, and has consistently done well.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
To reiterate my point on the original EPB Research posting, housing and durable goods are trending downward as components of GNP behavior. It is apparent in the first two charts above, 1) as a decline from 15% to 13% (approx) of GNP and 2) as a reduction in variance over time of GNP seasonally adj, annualized rate. It would be interesting to see a correlation analysis of housing and durable goods and other GNP components with leads and lags–far more reliable than eyeballing charts.
Our post-modern/post industrial culture depends on entertainment/food, clothing, leisure/travel, health, and government services which might partially offset housing/durables. That said, recent real estate prices (well above the inflation rate) will justify substantial declines. As always, the low-hanging fruit get eaten first.
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
It will be interesting to see. With the slow response of the central banks to inflation housing may still have appeal as an inflation hedge investment, making the money on the backside of this mess when the fed lowers interest rates and investors refi the monthly payment.
AWC
AWC
4 years ago
A “Big” housing bust is key to throwing the prevailing party out of office. But, moral hazard considered, a national moratorium on mortgages, combined with a “Big” bank bailout could change the dynamics. Throw in a dose of debt jubilee, cushioned by a CBDC, and maybe a couple wars, and there you have it.
The Fed is soon to “transition” into capitulation mode, because well, in the words of their mentor, JMK, “In the long run we’re all dead.”
MPO45
MPO45
4 years ago
Reventure Consulting on YouTube had an excellent video on the housing market where cancellations are exploding. Florida and parts of California were at the top of the list but so was most of the South. New York and other big metros had low cancellation rates.
Frank Costa
Frank Costa
4 years ago
Hi Mish – love your analysis posts and read them daily – read the latest and this is the only time ever that I was not in agreement with the analysis – “I left off the Covid recession because it dwarfs everything else”. We ignore history at our own peril – it happened and is a part of history – we will use it for past and future analysis as it seems to have changed the world order etc. and it could very well happen again soon. Reconsider including it as seperate Covid and Covid excluded?- it’s a very relevant and interesting dynamic that is shaping things to come. We probably wouldn’t ignore the “Baby Boom” because it skews our U.S. population analysis – that’s where I’m going with my opinion – only 1 person’s opinion btw.
Please consider including the Covid Recession somehow – it matters for Durables etc. – remote work’s effect on office space bldgs and not having to move for new opportunities, your own home’s comfort and double-use as an office investments, the Great Resignation, stuck at home and addicted to everyone’s a winner on Robinhood, Crypto investing by clicking their mouse etc. How’s it looking now though.
Either way love your analysis and learn a heck of a lot from your posts – not lost on me that it requires a lot of research/work for each post and I appreciate the excellent work.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
4 years ago
Reply to  Frank Costa
correct. the world wide plague and response will be part of our economic future for rest of our lives. the depression of closing down the world, and reaction with “printing” trillions and doling out to everyone, will be long lasting cause of our stagflation for another decade at least, imho.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Frank Costa
I beg to differ. Covid, while part of history, is a true outlier that disrupts the structure of any subsequent cycle analysis. What Covid did was to introduce a ‘shock’ that is currently working its way through the economic system. If MIsh was trying to illustrate (uncertain) change on an economic system you’d be right. The point here is to use housing/durables as predictors, not to study interrupting events of huge scale.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I agree. The Covid recession is an outlier.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Yup. Like the soon to be outlier and then the much more serious outlier. If you manage the inputs creatively you can always make a pretty chart – and your point.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
They invented the asterisk for a reason.
Gordofeo
Gordofeo
4 years ago
Hi Mish, I agree, but just to play devil’s advocate….What about the shortage of housing and growth in population of target homebuyer age cohort (30-45). I saw a chart that this will rise from ~40mm people to 47mm over the coming years.
Esclaro
Esclaro
4 years ago
Reply to  Gordofeo
All their parents are going to die and leave millions of empty houses. There is no housing shortage. In our condo complex about 25 to 30 of the hundred units are empty and owned by speculators and money launderers.
taperwood
taperwood
4 years ago
Blaming the housing slowdown because increased rates are pricing people out of the market is misguided thinking. So, why were these people not buying when rates were low? It’s not like nothing was selling then. In my life, I’ve had mortgages at 8% and 3%. Never stopped me from buying good location.
The real driver is fear of an unknown future. People are like that. They tend to withdraw and stay close to home. The major driver going forward in housing is one’s ability to work remotely. Something never before possible on a mass scale. People will look to live and work somewhere safer and less stressful. Look for a mass migration over the next 20-30 years unlike any we have seen before, not just within a single country but across the world.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
4 years ago
this stagflationary period will be neither mild nor short. it will be deep and probably a decade or two. to believe unemployment will be mild is silly. shadowstats is the best go to place for reality.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Unemployment in the US will reflect boomers retiring, and other workers leaving the job market for post-Covid lifestyle changes. Also, the labor participation rate is declining as more parents take over raising/educating their kids. Add to this a likely decline in labor productivity, increased imports of goods/services, and competition with US exports, what we will have is low unemployment with lower GNP.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
The same talking heads who denied a recession was coming are now saying it will be mild.
Curious Cat
Curious Cat
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
The jobs of the talking head are to entertain and sell their commercial products, not to inform. It doesn’t matter what they say because they are never held responsible, unless they are ultimately sued for liable.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
‘Tis but a scratch!
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
4 years ago

Ellen Brown: “such maturity transformation has been the cause of
bank runs and financial crises since the dawn of the financial era”

Disintermediation (an outflow of funds or negative cash
flow) should have only applied to the nonbanks since Roosevelts’ 1933 Banking
Holiday (with the initiation of numerous legislative backstops and policy
safety nets).

There have been 11? boom/busts in housing since then
(coterminous with an inverted yield curve).

But commercial bank credit has never collapsed — except the
small drop during the GFC where commercial bank credit fell by 1.4% between
April 30, 2008 to March 24, 2010, from 8,721.5 trillion to 8,601.9 trillion
dollars.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
4 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
And now I know I was only suffering from disintermediation those many years ago.
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
Hard to imagine a “big housing bust” when there is so much demand for housing and so little supply.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Tony, be careful with 1st derivative graphs after big perturbations to the underlying numbers. Often they just tell you what you already knew: There was a big hit.
az_dirt
az_dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
The bust is being driven by affordability which was difficult before but with rising mortgage rates is pricing many buyers out of what they could have afforded before (so a smaller pool of buyers at each tier of home prices.) The bust part is that sellers are having to reduce their prices to be affordable enough (at current rates) to attract buyers. That is less critical if the seller is sitting on 100%+ home price appreciation because they’ve owned their home for 5 or 10+ years. More critical is that home builders have to decide if they can build and make a profit given the rise in the cost of building (although lumber has come down.) Expect new housing starts to decline. Also impacted are people who bought recently who have little to no equity and may even be underwater but I think they are a much lower percentage of the sellers than in the 2008-2010 time frame.
Gordofeo
Gordofeo
4 years ago
Reply to  az_dirt
building costs are declining with the decline in commodity prices, but labor costs are still rising.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Good lord. Have you even watched housing numbers? Mortgage rates? And existing home sales dwarf new home sales. When people buy homes they need appliances, paint, furniture, lawn mowers, etc etc etc. Not to mention there is a record number of homes under construction.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
To extend Mish’s point:
Many new homes are built using construction loans, short term, higher risk, higher interest rate–usually adjustable as prime + points (and rates are increasing). Accordingly, a builder wants to sell a new home ASAP (ideally before construction begins). Home builders are also not loaded with capital, and assets (land etc) are not easily converted to cash.
Now, the result of this financing structure is new homes are ‘low-hanging fruit’, the soft underbelly of real estate. If there is weakness in housing, this is where it will first appear. NOTE: builders are already discounting new home prices to reduce inventory. Lots of noise in the industry about market conditions. Construction employment is slowing…
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
That’s the problem. There’s too many big houses that can go bust and not enough supply of little houses.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Nothing to do now but watch the fish flapping on the beach.
dxy 109
usdjpy 139
A tip of the hat to Jay Powell — in the something you don’t see every day file — 30yr bond inverted (significantly) with 1yr T-bill.
Something will “break”. Soon.
MPO45
MPO45
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I think many things have already broken. The british pound is 17 pence from parity with the dollar. The euro slipped below dollar earlier today. What a great time to be visiting europe and maybe snapping up property 😉
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Meanwhile, gold and silver head to sewer…. Gotta wonder what is going on… I have never had a worse ‘sense’ of impending collapse, except in early January 2020 when I first heard about Covid, and a few weeks later when I saw sulphur clouds erupting over China on windy.com
Esclaro
Esclaro
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Exactly right. Just watch the DXY go to 120 then 160. We are about to enter a world depression amid the death of fiat currencies. The USD will be the last man standing in a world gone back to the Stone Age!
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
“A Big Housing Bust”
China already at the first turn … who will “win”?

HONG KONG, July 14 (Reuters) – Chinese banks could face hefty writedowns in their mortgage businesses as growing numbers of homebuyers threaten to stop loan repayments to protest against unfinished apartments sold to them, analysts said.

The mortgage bad-loan ratios for banks could rise three- to five-fold as a result of homebuyers stopping mortgage payments, analysts estimate, adding the protests will significantly add to lenders’ risk exposure to the cash-starved property sector.

Chinese authorities held emergency meetings with banks after becoming alarmed that an increasing number of homebuyers were refusing to pay mortgages on stalled projects, Bloomberg reported on Thursday, citing people familiar with the matter.

Several local governments had also met with homebuyers this week, analysts and local media said, without providing details.

“A primary concern is if this snub spreads too quickly and more home buyers follow suit only because their projects are going slowly, or simply out of a pessimistic outlook for the property sector,” said Shujin Chen, equity analyst at Jefferies.

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