The answer to this is obvious. Trump is a proven terrible debater who does not practice and cannot control his emotions. But, but, but …
No Second Debate
The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Rejects Second Debate With Harris
“Kamala should focus on what she should have done during the last almost four year period,” Trump wrote Thursday, in all caps, on social media. “There will be no third debate!”
Trump claimed he won the Tuesday debate, though the vice president was widely seen as having the better night. “When a prizefighter loses a fight, the first words out of his mouth are, “I WANT A REMATCH,” he wrote.
Asked if Trump was in fact ruling out a debate, a spokeswoman said in an email, “You heard the man!”
Harris, meanwhile, again called for the candidates to meet one more time. “I believe we owe it to the voters to have another debate,” she said Thursday at a rally in Charlotte, N.C.—minutes after Trump’s announcement.
Kudos to Nate Silver for suggesting in advance there would be no second debate.
And despite Trump proclaiming he won, heck, not even Fox News believes so.
Clear Winner?
Fox News writer Doug Schoen comments In the Trump-Harris faceoff there was a clear winner but don’t believe this election is over
It’s pretty clear to me that on Tuesday night, Vice President Kamala Harris won what may be the only debate between herself and former President Trump. The vice president had some help, too. She was aided and abetted by two ABC News moderators who seemingly felt the need to fact-check virtually everything the former president said.
The former president was clearly frustrated and became more strident and divisive as the nearly two-hour debate continued. And the vice president appeared to gain renewed confidence as she saw Trump faltering under relentless questioning from herself and moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis.
To be sure, Harris had better answers on abortion, health care, climate change and leadership for the future. That much is clear. But what is also clear is that what Trump said in his closing statement remains the case.
Voters remain angry about the direction the country is headed, about the performance of both President Biden and Harris, as well as which candidate they trust more on the top two or three issues facing the country: the economy, immigration and law and order.
That analysis is mostly spot on. And opinions articles like the above are not typical of Fox News.
More Fox News Commentary
Also note this Fox News report Fox News Voter Panel Says Harris Won Debate
That was a tiny panel but the comments are instructive.
Checking in with Robert F. Kennedy (RFK), Fox News reports Kamala Harris ‘Clearly Won the Debate in Terms of Her Delivery’: RFK, Jr.
A Catastrophic Debate for Trump
Wall Street Journal writer Karl Rove was not as kind. Rove calls it a A Catastrophic Debate for Trump.
Tuesday’s debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump was a train wreck for him, far worse than anything Team Trump could have imagined.
Ms. Harris was often on offense, leaving Mr. Trump visibly rattled as she launched rocket after rocket at him. A New York Times analysis found she spent 46% of her time on the attack while Mr. Trump devoted 29% of his time to going after her. Debates aren’t won on defense.
Ms. Harris pressed Mr. Trump on the economy, the Ukraine war, foreign policy, healthcare, the Jan. 6 attack and especially abortion, leaving him flustered and often incoherent. In return, he criticized her on border security, climate change and the Israel-Hamas war.
Mr. Trump had to know the vice president would try to get him to lose his cool. She did. She went after him on his multiple indictments. She called him “weak” and belittled him as a six-time bankrupt, spoiled inheritor of wealth. She said his former national security adviser thought him, in her words, “dangerous and unfit” for the Oval Office.
As is frequently the case with Mr. Trump, he let his emotions get the better of him. He took the bait almost every time she put it on the hook, offering a pained smile as she did. Rather than dismissing her attacks and launching his strongest counterarguments against her, Mr. Trump got furious. As her attacks continued, his voice rose. He gripped the podium more often and more firmly. He grimaced and shook his head, at times responding with wild and fanciful rhetoric. Short, deft replies and counterpunches would have been effective. He didn’t deliver them.
Mr. Trump did a terrible job at his most important task—tying her to President Biden’s failed policies. He did an even worse job prosecuting the argument that she’s a far-left politician out of sync with America’s values. The Trump campaign’s mid-debate fact-check bulletins that flooded email inboxes were far more substantive and effective than his responses at the podium.
Mr. Trump’s failure wasn’t for a lack of material. He had plenty in the Biden-Harris administration’s record to work with, especially on inflation and the crisis at the border. In one of his strongest moments, he hit hard on the botched Afghan withdrawal. Even then, he got sucked into an argument about his administration’s negotiations with the Taliban.
All of the above is true.
I am amused by Rove’s comment “offering a pained smile” because that is exactly how I saw it.
Debate night I commented on my blog “Harris looked like she had a phony smile most of the evening.”
Terrible Responses
Trump wasted time disputing people left his rallies early.
And his abortion answer was a disaster. When asked if he would sign legislation banning abortion Trump refused to answer the question. He should have been prepared for this question.
The correct answer is: “Of course. This is a states rights issue. If I signed it, the Supreme Court would overrule it. I care about constitutional issues, Kamala Harris doesn’t. The same applies to student debt. This administration constantly flouts the Supreme Court.”
Trump was not prepared for any question.
Q: Why?
A: Trump has said repeatedly he does not need to prepare for debates.
This is part of his arrogant, narcissist, know-it-all mentality. And he claims to be the world’s best negotiator.
There’s another hoot. Good negotiators don’t get baited into stupid answers.
Perhaps with that statement, I lost some readers. So be it. But …..
But Catastrophic?
Dear Mr. Rove, please be serious. If it costs Trump the election it would be catastrophic. But … this debate will not cost Trump the election.
Next consider the WSJ Op-Ed Kamala’s Problem the Debate Didn’t Fix by
Kimberley A. Strassel.
Less than eight weeks from the presidential election, there are two wildly different narratives of this race: the one presented by the press, and the one experienced by average voters. No points for guessing which is more accurate.
Tuesday’s debate postmortem is the best example yet. The press is fist-pumping over Kamala Harris’s “win,” how she went about “eviscerating [Donald] Trump,” how she turned in (no joke) “one of the more resounding debate performances in recent decades.” Republicans are still stewing over biased moderators, even as they grudgingly admit Mr. Trump blew it. Social media is mixed on whether Taylor Swift’s endorsement seals victory for the vice president.
Back in the real world, this is all ridiculous. There was no winner in this televised scrum; only a nation of hardworking losers. Millions of Americans came home after a long day of work and tuned in hoping for answers to their daily struggles with inflation, migrants, crime. They instead got moderators obsessed with Beltway-bubble issues, and candidates who relitigated old disputes.
Ms. Harris’s standing with working-class voters is the worst of any Democrat in modern history. Barack Obama lost the white working class by 20 points in 2012, Joe Biden by 26 in 2020. The most recent Times poll has Ms. Harris behind by 36. That number has barely budged since July, despite five weeks of “joy.”
Also on the WSJ, James Freeman asked Why Don’t Harris Supporters Believe Her History?
Many swing voters say they don’t know enough about Vice President Kamala Harris’s record and plans for another term in Washington to make a decision about her candidacy. But even admirers who ought to know all about her recent history don’t seem able to believe it.
But, But, But This Was Three-On-One Debate
Yes, the fact checking was totally one-sided. It was so bad that some claim ABC won the debate.
OK, the fact checking was one-sided.
But Trump missed a clean home run opportunity to point that out. He could have hit a home run against Harris and ABC by calmly asking ….
“How come the fact checking is one sided? Why didn’t you fact check Harris on Project 25? On the costs of tariffs?”
The rest of the fact checking was self-imposed. It was stupid of Trump to make controversial claims. Instead of talking about Haitians eating cats (whether true or not), Trump should have focused on immigration crime, diseases like tuberculous (now spreading due to immigration), and the fact that immigration demand is pushing up the cost of housing.
These are not after-the-fact assessments, these were my thoughts real time.
Trump was totally unprepared for any question. And every question was easy to have foreseen!
So don’t tell me Harris knew the questions. The local barber knew the questions. Everyone did.
Who Won the Debate? Ask Me in a Week to 10 Days
On Wednesday, I commented Who Won the Debate? Ask Me in a Week to 10 Days
I am hearing mostly rah-rahs for Harris. And the instant polls show Harris was perceived as the winner. But did she pick up votes? For how long?
I believe that snip is the wrong framework.
I like Strassel’s comment: “There was no winner in this televised scrum; only a nation of hardworking losers.“
And I like Doug Schoen’s observation: “Voters remain angry about the direction the country is headed, about the performance of both President Biden and Harris, as well as which candidate they trust more on the top two or three issues facing the country: the economy, immigration and law and order.
Even if Trump somehow picks up in the polls, he did not win in any sense of the word. He had it in his power to clobber Harris and didn’t.
What About Nobody?
It was that poll that inspired my poll.
Nearly 50 percent of my Twitter followers thought Trump won.
It’s delusional to believe Trump won. You don’t hit 2 out of 8 layups (if that) against a person in wheelchair who only hits one, then brag about winning.
This much is clear: Trump lost, the nation lost, and so did ABC.
Even if Harris picks up in the poll, factoring in her elusive answers, will it last?
The Top Issue Is the Economy
- September 3: Construction Spending Growth Slows in May, Stops in June, Negative in July
- September 6: Payroll Report: Manufacturing Sheds 24,000 Jobs, Government Adds 24,000, Big Negative Revisions
Trump inaccurately stated the economy lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs. It was 24,000 as I commented in real time watching the debate.
“Let me just tell you, they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month,” said Trump. Too bad there was not a fact check on that.
Note that BLS Negative Job Revisions 15 of Last 21 Months
And the current economic headline conditions are worse than the conditions heading into the 7th month of the Great Recession.
For discussion, please see Fed Beige Book Shows Flat or Declining Economy in 9 of 12 Fed Districts
Trump should have been well versed in all of that. He was more concerned about disputing the size of his rallies.
Finally, please see The McKelvey Recession Indicator Triggered, But What Are the Odds?
I have the odds a recession at well over 50 percent. A recession stands to bail out Trump from his mistakes.
She preternaturally pushed all his buttons, and his ego responded rather than a President. She’s never beat him on policy, but she’ll always beat him with a preternatural ability to manipulate emotion, both his and the audience. People are too dumb to listen with a skeptical ear, and let “feelings” drive their decisions.
Edit: Trump’s, “Run Spot Run!” comment during the debate pretty much sums up the Kamala Harris policy platform.
Will Trump debate again? After the severe beating he just received, he really doesn’t want to. In his mind, it will depend on the polls. If he finds himself even or ahead, he won’t. If he’s behind, he may not have a choice. He’s been calling Harris dumb as a rock, but she just made him look like a total ass. He really doesn’t want to be humiliated again.
I actually do not think that Special K and Mr. T need any help SOUNDING, LOOKING and ACTING like KING’S FOOLS. We are being told to CHOOSE BETWEEN A PIECE OF SHIT and A TURD. You all decide for me, as I am not gonna vote between two evils.
Even MR. T’s PARTY will not stand behind him. There is seemingly NO UNITED STANCE ON THE MAJOR ISSUES and WHY IS THAT?
UNI-PARTY!
PURPLE PARTY!
Will we have a recession? Probably. But not in time to favor Trump for the election win. A snapshot now would show the economy is decent.
Mish, you just don’t know how to be wrong, do you?
If J.D. Vance had debated Que Mala it would have been a whole different ballgame, even with biased moderators. It might have even been interesting if not down right entertaining!
believing one word out or Rump’s mouth for one second is the funniest thing in the world. why would anyone especially the great mish take the bait so easily. i’m guessing it’s just for a fun debate. my college class yesterday in poli sci was quite lively discussing the past week’s antics. i’m going to paint a masterpiece with trump and the late great hannibal lechter to pass on to my progeny for people in a century or two to LOL at the modern amerikan idiocracy. it’s hysterical. i cannot stop chuckling each and every day.
you go to college and study political science. it’s cute that you think you have anything of substance to offer here. let me give you something of substance to consider – college-aged kids should be focused on which candidate is more likely to get them drafted and sent to die in wars that have nothing to do with american national security.
None of this matters. No matter what Trump does the Democrats and Deep State can do what they did last time and continue to do: cheat. It is cheating that will decide this (s)election.
If that is what it takes to win. Trump must be stopped one way or the other.
I think Trump is afraid of doing another debate out of fear that Beyoncé will endorse Harris after the next one, sealing up the election for Harris.
why hasn’t she already endorsed harris? trump is going to win. and he’s going to do so with support from the largest block of black americans than any republican ever before.
Wasn’t the Beyonce woman scheduled to dance or sing or whatever to celebrate Hillary Clinton’s “victory” on election night in 2016? How’d that work out?
Man, these celebrities! So in touch with the average American out there.
Same Trump from the Apprentice 2004/2017, but after 3 impeachments, Oct 6 2020, D multi lawsuits and an assassination attempt he is under a tremendous pressure, still standing tall.
It’s a bad call. Trump again is getting bad advice. Not a good sign.
That said, there is no case to make for Kamala. She has no successes, competence or apparently functioning synapses. Her only appeal is to those throwing emotional tantrums and seething rage at Trump and anyone that dare vote for him. It’s pathetic, but that is where the Dem party is today. Dick Cheney and all.
Trump isn’t getting bad advice. He won’t take any advice!
He’s hired literally hundreds of ‘bad advisors’ so far. The problem is him. He’s simply a loudmouthed fool worshipped by loudmouthed fools everywhere.
choo choo chew. QQQ [1D] might close Aug 30/Sept 3 gap, before turning around to
400.
@mish
So why isn’t there any talk about Trump’s diminishing mental capacity? You seem to think that it is his lack of preparation etc, etc… The reality is he is old and will not get better. He will get worst and if he is suffering from dementia he will get worst faster. It is funny because he reminds me of Biden in 2020 where you could see him slowing down but wasn’t as noticeable as now. My prediction is Trump will follow the same path. In a related subject his entourage now includes Laura Loomer who said: “White House will “smell like curry”” as bad as that is (%100 racist) my question is where is JD you know the guy married to an Indian :). See Trump surrounds himself with sycophants and cowards that will never disagree with him head on. Like he says SAD !
One last thing the reason he laments that he is not running against Biden is simple. Like all narcissist who lose he wanted the re-match to show the world he is the best. To me this is affecting him more that anything else to the point that if he sees no path to the WH he will drop out of the race. Let remember that he said he could be out there playing gulf instead of going back to this treadmill. You know before Biden dropped.
Yeah, at this rate he’s got about two decades before he deteriorates to Kamala’s mental capacity,
If you can’t counter his arguments then attack him with insults. Don’t even need to think, just let your emotions boil over and afterwards you will feel morally superior and you can then brag to your shrink about how you owned Trump.
There is no case to make for Kamala. She has no successes. It’s all just emotional tantrums and rage at Trump and anyone that dare vote for him. It’s pathetic, but that is where the Dem party is today. Dick Cheney and all.
His interest in getting the job seems to be declining.
how can anyone take you seriously about someone else’s mental capacity when your post reads like it was written by a child whose primary language is something other than english?
Please show your medical and psychiatric accreditations at the door on your way out. We’ll be in touch….
She won the debate. She got $600,000,000 to bitch around. She is invincible. Last week Kamala Harris came to PGH PA to be cheered by female college students and CMU Indian nerds. She will be in Wilkes Barre today and in Philadelphia on Mon, along with the longest running lame duck president in the US history, who failed to reach a ceasefire between Bibi and Hamas,and gov Shapiro whom she sacked. Winning PA is a surefire. The Biden/Harris team is too complacent. She is laughing all day. Until Trump’s brutal punches will knock her out.
IWM +2.25% today, great day to sell December OTM covered calls for $$$. Buy back if market corrects then sell them again later. Rinse and repeat. The only real winner in this election are profits.
Watch DIA [1M] and SPY [1W].
The debate was painful. On a presidential 1 -10, Trump is a “3” and Harris is a “Negative 2” (few could destroy this country as rapidly as she and President Senility. (who said, “You don’t f_ck with the Bidens”). In the entire debate debacle I didn’t hear a word about what truly challenges this rapidly-fading empire – national debt and related interest payments, increasing fiscal deficits (and the lack of either party endeavoring to resolve), high inflation (<3% my eye) forthcoming CBDCs (even if issued by private banks, they’ll still be programmable and surveyable), the enormous freedom of speech deterioration and the non-focus from our “political leaders”/ELECTED officials on what’s best for this nation and its citizenry,
Sure Harris wants another debate. It can only benefit her campaign. Usually the candidate who is behind in the polls wants another debate. Don’t give it to her.
The candidate who is behind, will often go into the “spin room” right after the debate – which is what Trump did.
Trump went and answered more questions from reporters immediately after the debate. No spin as you suggest.
Weak debate performance by Doanld. He undersestimated the woman. She was smug and condescending in her attitude to the voters. ABC was a travesty -typical regime media bias.
She was coached and had the answers; that will be revealed soon. A whistleblower at ABC is speaking with a lawyer to protect himself.
As for yesterday, the day after the debate? Back to word salads/Marxism-speak. BTW, she’s that way with everyone. 93% turnover of her staff.
She’s a good memorizer. That’s her best talent. Well, that and what she did for Willie Brown.
San Francisco is Willie’s playground.
Did she have the questions before hand? Of course not. But let’s be realistic. What would the questions be if she did? The economy? Abortion? The border? Maybe if he had just done the right thing and prepped and wasn’t so cocky, he wouldn’t have made a total fool of himself
“She was aided and abetted by two ABC News moderators who seemingly felt the need to fact-check virtually everything the former president said.”
But i read there was no fact checking of Harris. Election corruption. Trump could have a good second debate performance and it would still be 3 against 1. The moderators are supposed to be neutral, not in the Democrat candidates pocket. In 2020, even the FOX News moderator was a Democrat. In the second debate, which turned out to be two separate interviews, because the intended PBS moderator was shown to be biased, Trump was treated differently than Biden.
If Harris wants a second debate she should submit to having it on FOX, with someone like Sean Hannity as moderator. Turn about is fair play. Long past time Democrat candidates didn’t have the moderator in their pocket.
Imagine the debate had occurred with the moderators in Trump’s pocket, instead of Harris’s pocket. Imagine everything Harris said, was fact checked. Remember, Harris refused to do a debate on Fox. What was she afraid of? Being exposed for what she really is.
Trump is very old. He starts debates well; then gets tired quickly and goes off script. This Biden/Harris administration is arguably the worst in history on metrics, policy, and ethics; it should have been easy to dismantle an administration that simply cannot run on its own disastrous record of repeated failure on economics, foreign policy, corruption, lawfare, intentionally dismantling and mismanaging the border, and gaffes and unforced errors beyond measure. And yeah, regime media won the debate. Boycotting the nation’s propaganda outlets is absolutely essential for restoring free speech and combating the Orwellian censorship that is truly one of our greatest threats.
There have already been two presidential debates. C’est finis. Now the Komrade campaign has to pivot back to policy and rationality, not entertainment. That’s a problem because she has no policy and her backers are divided. This should become clearer in the Vance Walz debate. Apparently, there are a lot of people in the thread who believe they are Nostradamus. Its like linear extrapolation of a trend. The trend in this case being the happy happy joy joy theater. Dangerous in markets if you can’t read the information flow. Silver still has a good read and not buying the hype. As does Mish with the underlying fundamentals.
Imo, the following offers a far better analysis than the borderline sophomoric one here. Read, watch, and weep:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuP4xX9GhF8 and
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/5-reasons-trump-making-right-strategic-choice-not-debate-again
Look
Trump is a proven shitty debater.
He missed numerous layup opportunities
He failed to call out ABC on one-sided fact check
He stupidly got baited into silly positions.
To call that “sophomoric” is a sign of TDS – You have it
“Trump is a proven shitty debater.”
He used to be more entertaining, though. He never made any sense, but at least he used to be more entertaining in how he went about not doing so. Now, he looks to have lost the “charming” side of the “angry old outsider man” role he used to play so much better.
I suspect he has just gotten old, and tired and less sharp and witty, as well. It was just covered up by direct comparison with Biden, who acted old enough to be Trump’s dad. And Kamala’s granddad.
In the eyes of many, the “alpha male” can get away with being a bit rude, obnoxious and unpleasant, as long as he does so with a spark in his eye. It almost appears that Trump has lost a lot of that now, compared to back in ’16. Leaving him much more likely to come across as just nasty and unpleasant, and without any real redeeming qualities.
No one has said it, so I’ll say it. Nearly getting your head blown off and a near death experience changes people. Pretending Trump isn’t changed by this is akin to believing in Zeus and Athena.
So that is your excuse for his poor debate performance?
The man of action strikes again.
While everyone is out debating outcome of a rigged debate, Trump is out with no taxes on peoples earnings for overtime past 40 hrs.
Plus no taxes on Social Security which will certainly help many Seniors struggling to pay Bills.
Harris come up with anything yet for her “opportunity economy”?
That’s a very good idea. I just looked at my latest OT paycheck and calculated that it would increase my take-home pay by 35.1%!
Won’t be any worker shortage when people learn they will get to keep what they earn.
Really novel idea for DC to absorb letting people keep what they earn.
Are those promises on the same scale as building the wall & having Mexico pay for it? Draining the swamp?
Many people here are acting as if Trump didn’t serve 4 years already and broke all his key promises but this time he will seemingly keep them? Lol. you guys can’t be that naive can you?
Seems to be a memory loss here on what part of Government prevented Trump from implementation.
Democrat controlled Congress and Rhino controlled Congress.
But don’t let facts get in the way of your argument.
Yes, there is memory loss and it yours, I suspect you’re a boomer, so sorry but that happens when you age. Perhaps this post will help rekindle your memory.
https://mishtalk.com/economics/trump-still-proclaims-we-will-build-the-wall/
And if big government stopped Trump in 2016 then he’s an ineffective president because it will simply be a repeat if he happens to win.
Must be another brainwashed millennial.
The boomers you’re calling stupid are the liberals, who were all in for drugs and the lies from Democrats. The CIA ops were rampant back then to change society. You don’t read, do you?
Oh, look! Fentanyl and “we rise!” is back. You’ve been played, Dude, and you totally fell for it. LMAO.
I stand corrected misspelled RINO by adding an H
Part timers who work after midnight less than 40 hours/week and small businessmen who work 10/12 hours/day six/seven days per week will not get a break.
Small business have option to incorporate as any small business person with any business sense would do. This way they have some protection by the Corporate umbrella from Liability and are an employee of the Corporation at same time.
Part timers need then apply their efforts to where they are most effective which is the primary source of income.
They are more effective working between 3AM and 9AM, after midnight, five/six days/week. Very few can compete with them. They become obese and die young. Those who work between 7AM and 7PM hit fatigue after eating junk for lunch.
Americans for Tax Reform has a lot of articles on her pending taxes…so much so, that they’ve added a separate web page: Kamalanomics. LOL
https://www.atr.org/kamalanomics/
Opportunity economy means more money sent by working people to DC and DC under Harris gives more money to illegals so they can have opportunity to vote Blue.
Before the debate this groupthink refused to accept that Kamala is smart and cunning. In the Apprentice Trump needed a female executive before Ivanka to control aggressive women who shouted and fought over his head. He is most comfortable with total obedience around him. Failing to tame the shrew doesn’t disqualify him from becoming a president. If elected he will stay in Mar Largo, protected, insulated, away from DC, playing golf all day. Vance will drain the swamp
until he will become the president.
She was well coached and rehearsed. I’m convinced that was the absolute best performance she could have put in, and it was just mediocre.
“Before the debate this groupthink refused to accept…”
Even more so now after it has become apparent her handler’s can’t trust her to utter a single original thought.
So many words…. so little wisdom.
But she makes a mean salad! (If you know what I mean).
Because of Trump we can’t have a debate on the real policy issues plaguing this country anymore. The country’s brooding fiscal disaster didn’t come up in the debate. The sooner Trump quits the political stage the better for all of us. Given how old and tired he looked at the debate, there is actually hope that we could go back to serious politics, such as passing immigration reform, pretty soon.
> filling out the rest of your unfinished sentence for you, so we get the facts straight…
– Because of Trump we can’t have a debate on the real policy issues plaguing this country anymore. He asked for a “True Debate” without any nuances, but Kam Refused to do so. Trump could have said “No” but he was the better person, and understood the importance of a debate for the American Citizens!
– The country’s brooding fiscal disaster didn’t come up in the debate.
> Of course not, and why would She allow a Negative to be spoken about?
– The sooner Trump quits the political stage the better for all of “US”.
> IF “US” = Illegals then your correct, but unfortunately I think you meant Citizens, and that would be a complete and total Disaster for Our Country!
Are you watching the same scenario play out that everybody else is? Asking for a Friend…
Serious politics? I’d rather have completely disfunctional politics that is blocked from further screw things up than that.
Orange man bad. Everything else happy happy joy joy?
bumper sticker democrat voter logic.
Right next to the Grateful(ly Brain) Dead sticker.
The press loved Trump back in the day. He still thinks they do. They don’t and they will take advantage of this at every opportunity. Trump needs to completely shut down the MSM. He does not need them. His White House press room should only consist of independent journalists and citizen journalists.
Kamala came away looking canned, fake and insincere. She is hugely upside down on the economy and the border. Her plans are all Trump like and a complete flip flop from where she was five years. Voters see this. Brat girl summer is only going to get you so far.
You know exactly what you are going to get with Trump. Not so much with Harris. Kamala might have won the battle but Trump will win the war.
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. Mencken, On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe
2020: Mission Accomplished!!!
Today, or next week, the Dow might rise to a new all time high. The Fed will wait for a QQQ UT above July high.
Reparation NYC. When white leave blacks will get their houses for 50%/60% discount.
i wouldn’t by the house i rent now for more than 75% off the current price. been trading r/e in nyc and elsewhere for over 40 years now……..
PS i’m not white. i’m an octoroon on a good day. half sicilian, half northern italian. i vote in italia and 2 amerikan states. i need to vote in 3 us states and 3 EU states before i go to my dirt nap.
How do you legally vote in 2 American states? Last time I checked, voting in two different states in the same election was a felony.
He’s a democrat
She bitched around talking from her nose and won the debate. Women adore her especially Young women with the same color who bitch around like her. Even Taylor Swift’s cat liked her. Trump will beat Kamala and Kelce will sack Taylor Swift and her cat bc she is as phony as Kamala Harris.
is this the mean girl table of mish’s blog? pop culture and idiocracy together. i love it. can i sit with you?
And have you seen Swift try to dance? LOL!
A substantial stock market crash is coming in early October but the federal reserve will be lowering the fed fund rates with an equity rebound lasting beyond the election. Commodity prices will fall during the crash with a relatively quick drop in gasoline prices and food prices, a welcome relief for those with jobs and fixed incomes.
The recession will be severe with rising unemployment but won’t occur until after the election. The Democrats may be in the sweet spot of rapidly falling gas and food prices but before the rapid rise in unemployment.
Trump should learn the simple lessons from this debate and demand another. If he can’t and won’t, there is little doubt about his mental competence.
This is artificial intelligence … at its finest https://sagehana.substack.com/p/dear-substack-bot-a-love-letter
Everyone keeps saying the election is going to be close. It won’t. Trump is going to suffer one of the biggest defeats in modern election history. Possibly as bad as Johnson over Goldwater in 1964(486/52)!
You may find bookies offering 100,000 to 1 odds on that kind of result. Bet just $1000 and you will make a cool $100 million!
that could be right. goldwater was a dumbfuck who i liked. but the GOP came back stronger than ever 4 years later. the bastards. i’m a classical liberal. for amerikan dumbfucks that’s close to a libertarian. but better.
Goldvasser was a Jew. Reagan adopted his policies and won bc he was soft spoken Irish from Hollywood sucking sucrose beans. After Vietnam CA aircraft industry collapsed. Reagan needed an enemy to reboot the war industry. Without an enemy and RE the US economy cannot survive.
Why?
Because Harris has continuing increasing momentum and many people want to see Trump gone. America is sick of Trump’s negativity and constant being a victim schtick,
Additionally, with Swift’s endorsement, there could be an unexpectedly huge turnout of young voters for Harris also.
Seriously???
A Swift endorsement is going to increase turnout among the young and un and partially employed who have no skin in the game who are living at home while seeing their parents struggle financially under the Biden/Harris regime? Me thinks you give them too much credit and then again none at all!
Let us know when you wake from your walking daydream.
You think he’s going to lose TX and FL — huge EV numbers and a huge chunk of “leave me along govt” America moved to those states during the pandemic?
He’s got FL, TX, OH and 15+ other states locked up.
Kamala has NY, CA and 15+ other states locked up.
Roughly 10 states decide it all and because of that, the max margin for Kamala or Trump is around 100 EVs.
Trump should only agree if the moderators are not the corrupt and rotten MSM. A debate with Joe Rogan as moderator would be great!
he has done long sit down interviews. unlike headboard harris.
Why waste everyone’s time? It won’t be any different than the first debate. Harris rubbed his face in the doo-doo!
Although there is the possibility that he would hand Harris more juicy utterances such as news of the pet eating EXPLOSION in Springfield, OH. [lol]
He was easily manipulated on a stage with just a few digs. Imagine how easily Putin manipulates him with lots more levers to pull.
It’s an election that if you’re the GOP you probably want to lose and come back in 4 years with some moral authority behind you.
Sometimes you’re better off losing one to win the next one.
exactly. correct. rump is a curse on the GOP. he turned the apparatus into a private pinball machine for morons to put money into……his cult reminds me of charlie manson’s family hippy chic acid heads. but much fatter.
Trump is afraid he will get another drubbing. He has no clue how to debate a woman, and, with Harris obviously much more intelligent than him, he would end up getting slapped around again.
Harris as much more intelligent? You have got to be trolling. Either that or you’re off the medication.
Ah sorry, but that is BS.
“To be sure, Harris had better answers…”
Yeah, she was certainly FED some good lies. And they were ALL lies.
Her team obviously had the questions in advance and the moderators were in on it.
You can’t win a debate if you cheated. You automatically lose.
Period.
Yeah, no one made him go off the rails. He knew the answers. He just lost it and preferred to fight petty ego battles. No one made him talk about puppy eating immigrants. He did that to himself.
That doesn’t matter. No one here is saying Trump is good at debating, But she cheated, so she lost. Period.
As Mish says, those questions were so easy, everyone knew them.
The fact is that she was simply better prepared.
Lol. “Prepared” is not the right word, “scripted” is more accurate. And let’s not forget the other two people Trump was debating.
Harris had the questions because her team wrote the dam questions.
It’s a ploy. He’s letting the growing chorus of anti-ABC News hype build to a crescendo. The whole damn world saw that it was Trump debating 3 people with the moderators carrying water for Comrade Kamala.
Hell, Kamala Harris and Linsey Davis were AKA Sorority Sisters. Hello, massive conflict of interest!!!
And, when it gets bad enough for her in about a week, she’ll have to agree to a FoxNews debate.
Enough with the fake news. They are not “sorority sisters”.
Sorority sisters implies they were in the same sorority house at the same time.
Yes, they belonged to the same sorority, but it was at different universities, decades ago, and decades apart.
By your logic, if Trump belongs to the AAA auto club and so does Davis Muir then that must be a massive conflict of interest! Give me a break.
The AKA Sorority formed a PAC in August after Harris stole the nomination to promote here for president. Yes, I would say that’s CoI. Okay, massive is a bit overstated.
I think people expect two debates. Since 1976 have we ever had fewer than two? If Trump doesn’t agree to another one, he’ll look chicken.
Trump could be playing a game here. By refusing to join the second debate, he will get a lot of the shitlibs to start gloating that he’s afraid and ducking the debate etc. etc., so that when he finally agrees, the expectations for him would be quite low and would be the opposite for the opponent.
AH! Playing 4 dimension chess, like his buddy Putin?
Lowering the expectations and beating them is basic stuff. Not 4-dimensional chess – unless you are a Dumbocrat.
Don’t feed the Troll!
4D chess eh? I heard that crap the 1st time Trump was elected. He’s no genius. He’s a man driving by a very sensitive ego.
The time when I heard that crap was when 0-bama was in the WH. And not just 4D. It was more like 6D or 8D. They kept saying this even as he was giving the banksters a tongue bath and the middle finger to regular Americans.
The first televised debate between Kennedy and Nixon was the worst idea ever to hit democracy. Kennedy had the natural advantage of looks, and ever since it has become a contest between looks over substance.
Is the presidency or suitability for office about winning a debate which often degenerate into mudslinging? Naturally, the format exaggerated the advantage which already existed in favor of professions which require public speech, mainly lawyers.
More serious countries didn’t adopt it until the end of cold war, when things got temporarily more relaxed, namely UK, but the genie cannot be put back into the bottle.
let’s use smoke signals and not electricity too.
I agree
Kamala the air head in every ONE ON ONE on camera interview all of a sudden is clear rational and lucid on everything???
Obviously had the questions before hand and so had the answers firmly at hand.
I wonder also about her having an ear piece also for more assistance on the questions.
The female moderator is reported to be a sorority sister???
DemoRats are famous for committing any nefarious act to win at any cost.
Sorry dude, but no conspiracy theory is needed to explain why Trump lost the debate. He lost the debate because he is Donald Trump.
This is what actually happened…
He had a vast amount of ammunition to use against her – immigration, inflation, lack of a credible economic plan, etc. But… she very cleverly kept baiting him throughout the event and instead of staying laser focused and on message on the aforementioned topics, he just kept gnawing at the bait she was feeding him. The result was that he wasted sooo much time and so many missed opportunities to respond clearly and effectively to the topics being raised.
This is why he lost the debate. Not invisible earpieces, four instances of legitimate fact checking, sororities or whatever. He lost the debate because he cannot control himself. Plain and simple.
Yup. “People leave his rallies early”. She actually got to him with that.
i love watching trump rallies for LOL. but after 45 minutes or so it’s really stale and like watching an old woman opera star who wears too much makeup and won’t shut up. folks doze off or leave…….
the maga cult is even dumber than the TDS teenage girls………
Lol, in your dreams snowflake.
“…He had a vast amount of ammunition to use against her – immigration, inflation, lack of a credible economic plan, etc. But… she very cleverly kept baiting him …”
This is 100% true, but his supporters all wear very thick rose colored glasses. The only thing they can resort to is silly conspiracies for which they have no evidence to support. Every time Trump fucks up they (and Trump) make excuses. Where’s the accountability? It’s pathetic and off putting.
I had Trump winning easily had Biden stayed in, as of now, Harris is in the driver’s seat. That’s not an endorsement either. I can’t stand either candidate.
Second debate with Kamala? Why would Trump walk into the lions den again, the debate was rigged from the start, hopefully the intelligent votes understand this travesty of a debate and will vote accordingly. Also of note why do Republicans accept biased Democrat moderators at these debates?
Two people competing for CEO of the most bankrupt entity in the world. But, they can put boots on the ground anywhere in the world. The world has been here before. Empires rise, empires fall.
And here was have the results of Trump’s Operation Warp Speed (your saviour!) – of course Biden did was he was told too… so he has a hand in this misery:
Bureau of Labor Statistics just released the August PPI-Cancer Treatment update
With PFE and in constant dollars (the correct method) – cancer is up 20.6% 💥
Meanwhile PhD trolls lied and gaslit us all in order to hide this. No accountability.
This is equal to 35,000 new million dollar homes (in reality more when PEG-leveraged inside equity markets) and part of the reason for housing-affordability crisis.
https://t.me/EdwardDowdReal/973
To me it seems like Kamala didn’t lose while Trump didn’t win. I’ve long said that Trump is not an effective debater but then again Kamala is not an effective speaker. The disappointment is that Harris is easy to beat. Trump fumbled. Still, I don’t really think it helped Harris.
Agreed, it was Trump’s to win. And there lies the disappointment.
Harris could never win, even if it weren’t so obvious that she cheated.
Trump got baited and was caught up in that smirking strategy Harris used. Kamala learned her tactics well and kudos to her handlers on this first rehearsal.. Trump should now see if Kamala ever starts showing how much of a Leader she is. Will she ever be allowed to face a tough unrehearsed Interview. Let’s see if Kamala is allowed to ever come out unscripted by her handlers. Many voters will want more substance than Kamala has shown so far.
Harris learned her tactics as a prosecutor.
Trump’s handlers should have shown him a tape of the 2020 Dem primary debates. That may have persuaded him to do some prep.
You mean like someone (an actual journalist perhaps) asking her how she plans to finance “the opportunity economy”? This is like a replay of 2008 with the old “Hope and Change” bit. Smoke, Mirrors and Flashbangs and then nothing of substance for the next 8 years.
In a way he did win actually. I think because ABC was so blatantly absurdly one-sided against him, it reinforced his come from behind underdog thing
Harris also came off looking like a scolding suburban mom, which may play well with suburban women but few others
I mean he lost the debate, and he is an absolutely lousy debater who lets opportunity after opportunity go by to score points.
But I do not think it helped her in the actual election
Not that that matters anyway. How ever many votes she is behind, the “CIA” will simply have the controlled locales stop the counting, dismiss the observers and truck in however many mail-in ballots, all off the same printer, with the same markings and unfolded and run them through the scanners and then – voila – oh look, Harris “won”
Great points, Tom! It’s called The System. Her canned answers to the first few questions solidifies in my opinion that she knew about the questions / topics.
While I didn’t watch anything after the abortion dumpster fire, I’ve seen several other clips from later in the debate, where he looked quite strong. The abortion circle jerk was definitely the low point for him. It was such a trap. He should have repeated him point about returning the policy making to the states and then shut up. I’ve read that he had a solid closing statement.
Stop this foolishness about knowing the questions beforehand!
They ask the same questions at every debate. Ay idiot would know this and know the questions that were going to be asked.
these people on this site seem mostly really blinded by their own sense of idiocy. was there any question that was not 100% expected. these morons seem to think they were trick questions.
as long as israel is first, why is any of this a concern. and if the C suites of MICC have a great bonus pool, who are we to complain?. incoming missiles be damned. i’ll wear my old lacrosse helmet from the 1970s. i have enough weed to smoke and porno to watch…………..
How much did Dubya’s debate content track with the disasters during the following 8 years?
He debated? I like Dubya, but he can barely string a sentence together.